Chris Christie to teacher: If you don’t like my education budget, find a new job
posted at 10:03 pm on May 25, 2010 by Allahpundit
I begged for video on Twitter, my friends, but none is forthcoming. What can I say? I tried.
He then opened the floor to questions. A few were softballs, including the declaration by Clara Nebot of Bergenfield that Christie is “a god” to her relatives in Florida.
But borough teacher Rita Wilson, a Kearny resident, argued that if she were paid $3 an hour for the 30 children in her class, she’d be earning $83,000, and she makes nothing near that.
“You’re getting more than that if you include the cost of your benefits,” Christie interrupted.
When Wilson, who has a master’s degree, said she was not being compensated for her education and experience, Christie said:
“Well, you know then that you don’t have to do it.” Some in the audience applauded…
“Your union said that is the greatest assault on public education in the history of the state,” Christie said. “That’s why the union has no credibility, stupid statements like that.”
Elsewhere today, he warned about New Jersey becoming a new Greece. In lieu of a clip of the exchange with the teacher, here he is describing politics — Christie-style. Dude — 2016, right?
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Allah, I’m proud of you! When the I saw the headline, I thought for sure we were in for some candy-ass hand-wringing. “Has Christie gone too far? Second look at socialism?” Etc.
Jim-Rose on May 25, 2010 at 11:06 PM
After Obama made that keynote speech at the DNC in 2004, there was a huge wave of “Obama 2008″ or “Obama 2012″ fever.
“No no no,” Proud Rino said. “He’s just a State Senator who made a nice speech, he’s far from becoming the President.”
Lo and behold….
Christie’s credentials as of 2010 are a hell of a lot more impressive than Obama’s as of 2004.
Good Solid B-Plus on May 25, 2010 at 11:10 PM
There is nothing like that big smile when they finally get it. My oldest was 74 and was so thrilled. So was I. Waited till she left and blubbered like a baby.
katy the mean old lady on May 25, 2010 at 11:11 PM
Okay, now try teaching 25 kids at once with a textbook from 1956 and a couple Apple IIe computers as “learning aids.”:
Conservatives demonize teachers, then wonder why most teachers are liberal. Shocking!
Good Solid B-Plus on May 25, 2010 at 11:13 PM
That can work!
katy the mean old lady on May 25, 2010 at 11:14 PM
West/Christie or Christie/West 2016?
MadisonConservative on May 25, 2010 at 10:14 PM
Possibly the best thing I have ever had the pleasure of reading. Up there with the Bible. Either way would be fine with me. TY.
pghpat26 on May 25, 2010 at 11:18 PM
Chris Christie is doing what needs to be done for New Jersey!
MCGIRV on May 25, 2010 at 11:18 PM
Wrong. 2012 or bust. If Obama is re-elected, we will be calling him Emperor O for life ‘cuz there won’t be any USA left for the plebs by 2016. Only enough for the elites.
Christie needs to keep cleaning up the mess in Jersey. He’s a breath of fresh air.
conservative pilgrim on May 25, 2010 at 11:19 PM
That 2004 keynote was the highlight of the man’s career and yet he still got elected four years later; that shows how bad it really was and is now.
Bishop on May 25, 2010 at 11:20 PM
I saw a poll today that says he is tanking…something like 65% disapprove of his performance. I don’t know how accurate that is and the last poll on Rasmussen I could find was from April and had him at 53% approval.
This will be testing ground to how serious Americans are about scaling back spending and cutting government spending. The majority of Americans are currently yelling about congress and gov spending…but what will happen when they elect politicians who are serious about curbing government?
ramrants on May 25, 2010 at 11:21 PM
LOL — I love this dude. I’ll pull the lever for him, no problem, but 2016? That presumes a second term for Obama, and, uhm, no thank you.
NoLeftTurn on May 25, 2010 at 11:21 PM
I am a former teacher who NEVER joined a union because I saw them for what they are. Why did I need to pay $25-$50 a month, or whatever the dues were, to a group when my salary was on a scale (adjusted yearly), I had GREAT benefits, and if the district didn’t back me in a law suit (unless I was truly negligent in my job) I would sue them right back?
It is so good to see a politician speak truth to anyone who has bought into the BS teacher unions sell.
truetexan on May 25, 2010 at 11:23 PM
Have to wait and see, the ink isn’t yet dry on the man’s first veto.
Ahnold was going to be a savior too, and look how he turned out. Not that same people but way too early to jump on the wagon; I’m cynical about my politicians.
Bishop on May 25, 2010 at 11:24 PM
It’s still the highlight of his career IMO.
Good Solid B-Plus on May 25, 2010 at 11:29 PM
I did this. Problem was it wasn’t the Conservatives causing the problems. The most liberal of teachers work their way to Administration so they can get out of the classroom. The district I worked for was more concerned about the Administration having the goods (new computers, buildings, etc.) that I taught in a rat infested craphole. When an audit was done by the state comptroller, a Republican, and many recommendations where made to reduce the Administration and put that saved money back into the students/classrooms, the district ignored her. Your argument does not fly when you really get the facts!
truetexan on May 25, 2010 at 11:30 PM
You’re forgetting his closing of Gitmo, ending of rendition, bringing the troops home from Iraq, lowering the seas, cleaning the air, and creating 32.79 billion new jobs.
How soon you racists forget.
Bishop on May 25, 2010 at 11:32 PM
Chris Christie – I represent more than 5 million people of the state of New Jersey. If I got 2 dollars a month for working for each of them, I would be a billionaire by the end of my first term.
antisocial on May 25, 2010 at 11:33 PM
Sorry, reread your post. Yes, your argument does fly. It is not the teachers who are the problem. At least not the major part of the problem.
truetexan on May 25, 2010 at 11:33 PM
So, for the moment accepting the premise that the conditions you describe actually exist, despite our current average cost per student of $8700 per student, let’s explore what you are saying.
a) Students from 1956 couldn’t learn reading, math, or language skills from books published then?
b) Apple IIe’s, as long as they are functioning cannot provide the ability for students to learn keyboarding or other computer skills? [I'm shocked at that one, given that I became an engineer using computers from that era -- had no idea they were inadequate for learning]
Bottom line is that the basics, reading, language arts, and mathematics don’t change. A textbook written in the 60′s should be able to provide all of the fundamentals (and maybe more) as one written yesterday.
Science and history, probably not quite as much, but history from the 50′s might actually be accurate for the founding of this country unlike those published today.
It really isn’t about money, schools get plenty of that, it’s how that money is being used. How do I know this? I sit on a private school board for which we spend $5000 per student and that includes fully funding the mortgage for new building put up a couple of years ago. Actual education cost is on the order of $3500 per student and that includes teachers’ salaries and benefits for small class sizes.
AZfederalist on May 25, 2010 at 11:37 PM
Conservatives support the Voucher Program (killed by liberals) and Charter Schools, both of which show marked improvement in student’s learning; and costs less.
TN Mom on May 25, 2010 at 11:38 PM
Right, and that was correct, in 2004. That’s not to say he can’t become President, it just means that you shouldn’t get too excited about it yet. The thing with Obama was thate even though people liked him, most people figured Edwards or Clinton was going to be the nominee. He was the popular underdog, and because he didn’t become the “presumptive” nominee, he avoided a lot of the attacks that Hillary Clinton and John Edwards were getting in 2006 and 2007.
And let’s not forget, everybody liked that speech, but he won because he managed his campaign better than Clinton did, he was a better fundraiser, and he had less baggage than Hillary. There is no magic to campaigns – the guys who raise the most money and are better organized tend to win. That’s exactly what happened in the Democratic primary.
That’s not what happened in the Republican primary, but that implicated the less popular rule of “Don’t be Mormon.”
Proud Rino on May 25, 2010 at 11:40 PM
Which is why I never complain about what I make.
But every district in every state pays different.
My school pays 90somthing% of a family policy. And one of those here in ND is almost $1000/month.
I only work 180 days & next year it’s 181 & then after that 182 days/yr.
Still not bad.
I am only a union member bcs of the insurance.
I’m sorry, but this is a high risk job bcs anyone can sue me for looking at their kid wrong & the school can dump me off on my own.
When it comes to kids, you have to be very careful bcs parents can be nuts & kids lie.
I’m paranoid, I admit it.
The only problem I have with the pay in education is that it’s = pay for un= work.
That pi$$e$ me off.
But the early retirement & state protected pension is nothing to complain about.
And the sick days. And then there’s personal days.
But if they made school year round, I’d quit.
Bcs putting up with other people’s
bratsangels is really stressful.I get damned tired of them by May.
I rail against other teachers I meet who complain about the pay. They should be damned happy with what they get.
Now as a science teacher, OK, I can make more on the outside, so in my case, it’s a lifestyle choice.
But the test scores?
Only so much of that is a teacher’s fault.
The rest is parents & their kids.
This is why you’re seeing a lot of these parent/teacher/student contracts.
It’s a (rather lame IMHO) way of trying to get parents to take responsibility for their children’s learning.
Badger40 on May 25, 2010 at 11:40 PM
Don’t forget about all the federal/state holidays, 3 days for Thanksgiving, 2 weeks at Christmas, and a week of Spring Break. I get the federal holidays, but none of the other days off. Teachers work more like 140 days a year.
ramrants on May 25, 2010 at 11:42 PM
Uh oh, dude, you’ve veered from the party line. Enjoy the 2 minutes’ hate.
Proud Rino on May 25, 2010 at 11:44 PM
I personally don’t need a book to teach my Anatomy, Biology, Geology, Ecology, Chemistry, or Physical Science classes.
I know enough about these subjects to find reputable internet sources.
Kids don’t read their textbooks anyway.
I don’t take teacher criticism badly bcs I know where conservatives are coming from.
Abt 75% of the teachers I have worked w/, work w/, & have met are LAZY & WORTHLESS.
So they deserve to be demonized.
Bcs their idiots.
And don’t get me started on overpaid, incompetent, lazy, shiftless, good-for-nothing administrators….
Badger40 on May 25, 2010 at 11:44 PM
I agree with everything you said.
So why do many upstanding HA conservatives seem to view teachers as a lower form of life than deer ticks?
Good Solid B-Plus on May 25, 2010 at 11:45 PM
Please excuse me.
I was educated in public schools.
Badger40 on May 25, 2010 at 11:45 PM
I taught in public school. My kids have gone to both public and private. I see your point, but comparing a private school to a public school is comparing apples to oranges. I agree a teacher can work with what they have, but the difference in public school is the ratio. 25 kids instead of just 20 make a huge difference. Private schools tend to stick below the 20-1 ratio, around 15-1. And, today they are putting lots of kids in the classroom that would have been in a secluded special ed class when I was a kid. This is a good thing, but they don’t always send an aide or special ed teacher with them now. Even if they do send a special ed teacher, they increase the class size. I know, they did it to me because technically we had 2 teachers in the room. They didn’t care that half of the kids were Special Ed kids so we had close to 40 students.
truetexan on May 25, 2010 at 11:47 PM
I hate how $$ is wasted in our small rural school in ND.
I got an air conditioner I specifically said I did NOT want (only have 2 windows & need the ventilation for dissections).
And I got a smart board-which is nice, but totally unnecessary.
And we spend $$ on this NWEA testing crap.
I suppose in a large school the NWEA test might be useful, but not here when there’s only 1 or 2 teachers teaching subjects.
Badger40 on May 25, 2010 at 11:48 PM
Irish Sicilian halfbreed…
Sweet.
We are a highly toxic genetic mixture that was an historical anomaly of the 50′s and 60′s. However, we shall leave our mark on history.
tommylotto on May 25, 2010 at 11:48 PM
DING! DING! DING!
SouthernGent on May 25, 2010 at 11:48 PM
Because most of them are liberal.
Proud Rino on May 25, 2010 at 11:49 PM
Kids not reading their textbooks is part of the problem. The internet has a ton of good information (even more bad info, though), but a good textbook is hard to replace.
Good Solid B-Plus on May 25, 2010 at 11:50 PM
To me, this is actually infringing upon the educational rights of kids with no learning disabilities.
I really hate how ‘special ed’ kids trump the rights of everyone else in the classroom.
They basically get the answers given to them & they are also being cheated bcs they aren’t really getting anything but a special pass through school & then when they hit the real world, they’re shocked that they can’t adapt or compete.
Badger40 on May 25, 2010 at 11:50 PM
So are lawyers, and we at HA have nothing but love and respect for those saintly…bahaha. Couldn’t finish with a straight face.
Good Solid B-Plus on May 25, 2010 at 11:53 PM
If you’re a teacher who needs a textbook to each a class, then you pretty much suck, or you’ve been asked to teach a class you do not have the knowledge to teach.
Textbooks basically make it a lot easier for me as the teacher.
Everything is all laid out & all I have to do is lecture.
But if I had no book, I would only have to gather & sort the info & present it myself, which if you’re internet savvy, doesn’t take that much time.
Textbooks are overrated.
None of my upper level geo classes in college used textbooks.
And I learned a lot.
Badger40 on May 25, 2010 at 11:53 PM
Terrific. Sounds like you are a stellar member of your private school board.
crr6 on May 25, 2010 at 11:53 PM
http://www.rutherfordschools.org/boardofed/boardofed/minutes/minutes2009/mt121409.min.pdf
WoosterOh on May 25, 2010 at 11:55 PM
Maybe because most of them fall into union step because it is the easy and secure thing to do or that is the perception. I don`t think that most people hate teachers as indivivuals, I think they all kind of get lumped in with the Union bad rap, just my two cents.
bluemarlin on May 25, 2010 at 11:57 PM
Right, because everyone knows students in the 50′s couldn’t read, or write, or do math.
We don’t wonder at all…teachers who are liberal are idiots…much like you, and anyone else who is a liberal.
xblade on May 25, 2010 at 11:57 PM
http://www.rutherfordschools.org/boardofed/boardofed/minutes/minutues2008/MT071408.MIN.pdf
WoosterOh on May 25, 2010 at 11:57 PM
Off the cuff? Yes. Same with Allen West. Looking for people who speak intelligently and bluntly off the cuff, rather than off a script, or indeed a teleprompter, is very important right now. Sarah Palin’s credibility as a campaigner is severely troubled. The other usual suspects, Romney, Huck, etc. are all recycled pseudoconservative trash. After the disaster of McCain, we need to find someone who energizes us the way Sarah Palin did to lead the way, rather than play second fiddle to a flip-flopping scumbag who muzzles her rather than lets her be up-front with people who interview them. We need a candidate for president that is not a politician. Unfortunately, Palin has become one. Perhaps there are others like West and Christie who can be thrust into the arena and appeal to people with their lack of bulls**t.
MadisonConservative on May 25, 2010 at 11:58 PM
Well really it’s true.
I’ve had textbooks in my classroom that were from the 60s & then got some new ones & the info (same publisher) was the SAME.
The only difference was that there was more info, more pretty pictures & the layout was friendlier.
HS chem books now have a lot on quantum physics that they didn’t have before.
But really, a lot has not changed.
As I’ve said here though, I think books should be gone or we could even go to e-books to save $$.
And really, how many college classes actually use the book besides math classes?
Even my organic chem class didn’t really use the book.
Badger40 on May 25, 2010 at 11:58 PM
Having been an “inclusion” teacher, I have mixed feelings. Having a class of 40 kids b/c you have two teachers, but half of the kids are Special Ed or 504 defeats the purpose they are trying to accomplish. Had I only had one or two kids from Special Ed per class with an aide, it would have been manageable. I can see in my sons kindergarten class they still haven’t really figured out how to mainstream the kids.
But back to the topic, I think Christie is right, if you don’t like teaching or the pay and benefits, get out. I did just that.
truetexan on May 25, 2010 at 11:58 PM
Not necessarily deer ticks, deer flys maybe.
Bishop on May 25, 2010 at 11:59 PM
http://www.rutherfordschools.org/boardofed/boardofed/minutes/minutes2009/MT071309.min.pdf
WoosterOh on May 26, 2010 at 12:00 AM
And the kids who need textbooks to help them along? To hell with them?
Most of my high level college classes used textbooks, and I learned a lot. I suppose I should have gotten the cliff notes instead, apparently reading is just a waste of time. Who knew?
Tell me Badger, what’s your average class size? What age kids do you teach?
Good Solid B-Plus on May 26, 2010 at 12:00 AM
Oh, no we don’t. We are contracted–in my district, and as already mentioned districts differ–at 184 days, including 4 preservice days. That’s 180 classroom days. Teachers do not get paid holidays. We get paid only for the days we are contracted to work, and only for the hours we’re contracted to work, for most of us that’s spread out over 12 months. I commonly spend an additional two+ hours a day in uncompensated time just getting my job done, as do most teachers, which is just my little gift to the taxpayers of the state of California. All those extra hours put me way over those contracted 184 days.
I might make more money than you because I have a BA, a teacher’s credential, over 100 post-baccalaureate graduate units including a master’s degree, and years of seniority. I majored in science and I teach science. I work very hard at what I do and put my heart into every single student.
And anyway, that tired old canard won’t fly when you consider that professional athletes or A-list actors don’t work all year either, and make a whole lot more than we do. I’d say what we do is more important than playing basketball for a living, but your mileage may vary.
Bob's Kid on May 26, 2010 at 12:00 AM
Look Ma! No Teleprompter!
ronsfi on May 26, 2010 at 12:01 AM
Right, hahaha. That only reinforces my point. You don’t like groups that are predominantly liberal.
Proud Rino on May 26, 2010 at 12:01 AM
Not a liberal, but that’s quite an argument you’ve presented. “I disagree, and you’re a liberal! Nyah!”
Good Solid B-Plus on May 26, 2010 at 12:02 AM
I do agree here. You can teach for the most part without books. Especially with the internet. They were nice to have, but I did a lot without them.
truetexan on May 26, 2010 at 12:02 AM
We don’t hate lawyers because they’re liberal, we hate them because they’re lawyers.
Good Solid B-Plus on May 26, 2010 at 12:02 AM
I am personally not your normal teacher.
Science teachers are a different breed anyway (we’re all irritated that the PE & English teachers can earn the same pay as we do & in our opinion, we worked way harder for our degrees).
I’ve met people who, when they learn I’m a teacher, want to jump down my throat.
5 minutes of getting to know me & they change their minds.
But most teachers I have met & worked with really are liberal pukes.
Badger40 on May 26, 2010 at 12:02 AM
You really think most teachers are liberal because they are supposedly being demonized by conservatives?
Bishop on May 26, 2010 at 12:02 AM
Wow, where have you been tonight? Last I saw you was yesterday making fun of someone who graduated from the University of Arizona. Now I run into you again making fun of someone who has taken an interest in providing an education to children. What do you have against education, after all, I thought you were in Law School. I tend to believe that as you certainly have the snobby, know it all, liberal attitude. Maybe you are just upset because he mentioned books that had not yet been heavily revised at that time.
bluemarlin on May 26, 2010 at 12:04 AM
Seriously, how old are you?
Proud Rino on May 26, 2010 at 12:04 AM
For what it’s worth, I think most teachers are liberal bcs it’s really not a demanding job (bcs obviously there’s little to no quality control) & they may never lose their job, no matter how bad they are.
But there are lots of teacher shortages & I think this is bcs kids are little $hits nowadays bcs parents have stopped being responsible for their little $hits.
‘Course I’m lucky bcs I teach in a very rural town & most people are conservative.
But they still want their kids to get the easy A & they still believe their little Johnny’s getting screwed by the hard science teacher bcs she hates him.
Wzah wah wah.
If you are remotely weak minded, then teaching is NOT for you (liberals).
Badger40 on May 26, 2010 at 12:06 AM
Yeah, and those lit teachers who use Dickens, Fitzgerald and Faulkner? Total wimps. If they were real men, they’d write their own fiction and teach it.
Look, if you as a teacher want to collate all the information you’re going to use and present to your students, that’s fine. That doesn’t mean you aren’t using a textbook, it means you’re making your own. That’s pretty time-consuming if it’s something you have to re-do every year, but if you’re that anti-textbook, go for it.
For one of my Philosophy classes the professor just copied off the excerpts he wanted to us, took them to Kinko’s and got them bound in a nice, durable binding and passed them out to us. I think that’s a great way to teach.
Good Solid B-Plus on May 26, 2010 at 12:07 AM
I can recall when teachers were respected. But that was before the teachers union began DEMANDING more and more money, yet test scores were going lower and lower IN SPITE OF GETTING MORE MONEY.
And I hate to rain on your parade, but you didn’t become a “liberal” because some “conservative” yelled at you.
If you did – Get the hell out of the classroom!
GarandFan on May 26, 2010 at 12:07 AM
If he gets hate, it’s for a sloppy strawman setup and not understanding that most conservatives dislike the teacher unions and public school systems, not teachers in general.
Also, the idea that teachers are liberals because conservatives attack them is preposterous.
strictnein on May 26, 2010 at 12:09 AM
MadCon says:
and you just have to wonder if Christie energizes the MadCon the same way that Sarah did…..
and if the MadCon is too often presented with
and now the MadCon is fully open to a
audiculous on May 26, 2010 at 12:09 AM
Yah, I can’t believe that a conservative teacher would enter the workforce, gain the impression that they are being demonized by the right, and then suddenly become a full-fledged member of the demorat party with all that such membership entails.
He1l, if one of the things in my life suddenly became a target for “conservatives”, riding motorcycles for example, I wouldn’t suddenly rush down to DNC headquarters asking where I can volunteer.
Bishop on May 26, 2010 at 12:11 AM
I’ve often thought of being a teacher, but if I’m going to get a barrage of whiny liberal “it’s not faaaaaaair that little Timmy got an F” parents in addition to having invective hurled at me by conservatives simply because I’m a teacher, then count me out.
And I really don’t think it’s “supposedly.” Teachers are only slightly less hated than lawyers on HA, and it’s easy to hate lawyers when you know that PR’s a lawyer, Jimbo is a lawyer and crr is a tiny little demon lawyer spawn. I don’t think any of our venomous trolls have copped to being teachers, though Narutoboy is a “proud student,” heh.
Good Solid B-Plus on May 26, 2010 at 12:11 AM
It’s SOOOO refreshing to have a real AMERICAN loving man with some true determination! Chris Christie is the MAN!
Unlike the feeling liberal of “Do as I say, not as I do” disaster crap!!
christene on May 26, 2010 at 12:12 AM
Teachers don’t choose where the money gets spent. The hate from the right is directed in the wrong locations.
Good Solid B-Plus on May 26, 2010 at 12:13 AM
I was an English teacher, so it was easy to use novels rather than text books. However, for Social Studies, it was good to use the text for your base and then turn it into more research based group work. That way the kids learned how to find different sources to get information on a specific topic. Sometimes the information would be different and they would have to find more sources to find their answers. It helped them learn to use many sources to find the answers.
truetexan on May 26, 2010 at 12:13 AM
Oh, I have no doubt you are not the normal teacher from reading your posts of past, not just tonight. I don`t disagree with your premise about your degree against others, I have a BS in AG Business which is another reason I notice your posts on grass fed beef. I have several friends or friends wives who are teachers here in TX and they are not crazy loons, well not all of them anyway. I also see that they all want to do the right things, common sense things and are hampered by the liberal administration. They are frustrated, I get can see that.
bluemarlin on May 26, 2010 at 12:13 AM
Teaching anatomy the 1st year, I had no textbook.
So I really had to teach & give out handouts.
It worked fine.
Listen smart aleck-I never said kids shouldn’t read.
I said that textbooks weren’t necessary.
You know, there’s this thing called taking notes.They can read them after they take them.
And since I mentioned the internet as a substitute for a textbook, you can read off of there.
When I taught anatomy with no book, I ran off appropriate info for the kids, they took notes, & we did experiements & stuff in class.
You know, teaching. You can only learn so much from a book.
And there’s only a few college classes I ever used a book for (& that was for the problem sets)-Calc classes & engineering physics classes.
None of my history, English, geology, biology, genetics, etc… classes ever used a book.
Ther professor had NOTES & I TOOK them & READ them.
And behold-I LEARNED.
And for your info-I teach grades 9-12 all sciences (except physics for now-old guy’s still hanging on for that one class).
And I have no avg class size really bcs our school is very rural.
This year my biggest class (freshmen) was 21 kids.
My anatomy class has 2 kids in it.
I’ve had a class size of 1 before & probably will again.
Badger40 on May 26, 2010 at 12:14 AM
I’m not talking about conservatives “in general,” I’m talking about on HA. And on HA, teachers inhabit a slightly less odious ring of hell than lawyers, who inhabit a slightly less odious ring of hell than liberal politicians/union leaders, who are right in the jaws of Lucifer himself.
Good Solid B-Plus on May 26, 2010 at 12:17 AM
Look Ma! No Teleprompter!
ronsfi on May 26, 2010 at 12:01 AM
Good one. Real leaders don’t need one every time they open their mouth.
NebCon on May 26, 2010 at 12:18 AM
They do have a large influence on where $$ gets spent, but it depends upon the district.
I am very careful w/ what I buy.
I spend it like it’s my own $$ (since I’m a tax payer in the county I teach, I guess technically I am sorta spending my own $$).
If more teachers were more careful in what equipment they asked for, there would be less waste.
Badger40 on May 26, 2010 at 12:18 AM
Those with weak stomachs who cannot handle a$$hole parents effectively should not teach.
Badger40 on May 26, 2010 at 12:19 AM
Large and in charge.
baldilocks on May 26, 2010 at 12:20 AM
Proud Rino on May 26, 2010 at 12:20 AM
I hate liberals..lawyers or otherwise.
BigWyo on May 26, 2010 at 12:21 AM
I don’t believe it’s directed hatred, though feel free to post evidence to the contrary, more that it’s a general loathing of the people who allow themselves to be directed by greedy, self-serving overlords while the students suffer.
That makes them liberal, and as liberals they invite and require loathing and scorn. I refuse to believe that a true conservative would sign on to PBHO’s agenda simply because they belong to a group which is perceived as a target by conservatives in general. How many people would destroy the future of their own children just because some guy on HA said he hates teachers?
Bishop on May 26, 2010 at 12:21 AM
I taught in AISD. I couldn’t take the administration, or the parents. That is when I became a true Republican. I heard all these promises from liberal thinking people and NEVER saw them actually do anything. It was all show to get votes and power. However, the Republicans need to figure out how to actually get something done when it comes to Education. It wouldn’t take much.
truetexan on May 26, 2010 at 12:21 AM
You didn’t read books in your college English classes? What’d you do, diagram sentences on the backs of candy bar wrappers?
If you run off your own info and pass it out to the class, that works too. Like I said, that means you’re creating your own reference texts, it doesn’t mean you aren’t using any.
Sounds like a nice way to teach, though. “Listen, you little punks, go on Google and learn about human anatomy. There’s a test on Monday. Now piss off, I’m going to drink and bang the Lit teacher.”
All that for 85 grand and benefits? Nice!
Good Solid B-Plus on May 26, 2010 at 12:22 AM
That’s how most people here feel – at least you’ve got the stones to admit that to yourself. I feel bad for the rest of your fellow nutcases.
Proud Rino on May 26, 2010 at 12:23 AM
For the Allen West fans. Here he is talking about illegal immigration. If you can’t watch the whole thing skip ahead to 4:30. I promise, you won’t be disappointed!
Christie/West 2012!
mrsmwp on May 26, 2010 at 12:23 AM
He wasn’t advocating total elimination.
English lit means having to read previous works.
But that isn’t a textbook that some stooge wrote & sold the states & colleges for millions of $$.
If you have to read the Scarlet Letter, then you go buy it or get it on Kindle or something & read it.
But schools these days do not have to continue spending huge amounts of $$ replacing expensive textbooks.
Badger40 on May 26, 2010 at 12:24 AM
I’ll be sure and let you know if I ever decide to give a squirt of pi$$ how you feel.
BigWyo on May 26, 2010 at 12:24 AM
Oh, I forgot, the end is quite good too where he says he’s gonna look Pelosi and Frank in the eye and tell them to pack their crap and get out! Love him!
mrsmwp on May 26, 2010 at 12:25 AM
I hate Minnesotans, liberal or otherwise. Sell the entire state to China and deport its citizens to a desert somewhere.
Bishop on May 26, 2010 at 12:26 AM
Really, I just kind of figured it was implied for most of us that we hate liberals. If you want to feel a little bit better tonight, I hate liberals as well and I hope they fail. So there is a couple of us admitting it in as many minutes, sleep well.
bluemarlin on May 26, 2010 at 12:26 AM
And yet you just complained about getting a smartboard when you didn’t need one (and for the most part, smartboards are flashy but don’t do all that much). And you teach in a small rural school. How about some teacher in a mammoth, 1,600 kid urban clusterfark? How much influence can they really have over directed spending?
The biggest problems are in these large, urban schools, like the ones in my hometown of Cleveland. As we’ve seen for the past few decades, throwing money at the problem doesn’t work.
Good Solid B-Plus on May 26, 2010 at 12:27 AM
25 kids is hardly a huge class. Nobody is using 50 year old text books but the truth is that the curriculum has been dumbed down even more than it’s been politicized. A 50 year old math textbook is perfectly fine for teaching math, maybe better than a modern textbook filled with fads. I’d want a biology textbook to be up to date, but a 1960s vintage chemistry or physics book wouldn’t be too out of date.
Nobody needs computers, whether a 30 year old Apple IIe or an iPad, to learn. What kids need are competent teachers and parents who expect effort by both students and teachers.
Sure, there’d be less emphasis on the unholy trinity of America’s “sins”, slavery, taking away the “natives’” land, and putting Japanese Americans in internment camps.
rokemronnie on May 26, 2010 at 12:27 AM
Since you’re responding to me, it kind of seems like you do care, ya nutcase.
Proud Rino on May 26, 2010 at 12:28 AM
You really do like to twist the meanings of people’s posts.
That is quite the dickweed trait you’ve got there.
And when did I say Google the info & have a test on it?
Umm… I actually LECTURE & give them NOTES they can COPY down.
I also give them HANDOUTS etc.
And we do ACTIVITIES & LABS.
And sometimes I have them watch a movie & answer questions or do a writeup on what they learned from it.
And if I’m not using a textbook for my class, I do not have to create a reference text for myself or them.
That’s ridiculous.
You really have no idea what teaching is about.
Maybe the teachers you had did those things.
I for one, do NOT.
So kindly STFU w/ your nonsense insults about my teaching until you know what you are really talking about.
Badger40 on May 26, 2010 at 12:28 AM
I assume most of your fellow nutcases which deny that are deluding themselves. I don’t care that nutcases delude themselves. Bully for you, though, for being able to admit that you hate people because they disagree with you politically. That’s a remarkable statement. I’d feel sorry for you if it wasn’t kind of funny. Have a nice night.
Proud Rino on May 26, 2010 at 12:31 AM
Well, at my school they passed out the texts that we were going to read. That’s why the flyleaf had like 10 other names penciled into it. And I agree that with Grammar, you could use a text from 1940 for the most part. The dialect may be a bit stuffy because it’s 70 years old, but the basic rules of grammar haven’t changed in the last 70 years. And for English Lit, if you make the initial investment for hardcovers you can use the same books for decades, until some jackass kid torches his.
Good Solid B-Plus on May 26, 2010 at 12:32 AM
That’s your best? Really? Please, do continue with this mincing little ad hominem, and don’t bother to address what I said at all. I expect nothing more.
Wait, weren’t you the one telling others about comprehension and inability to clearly use the English language? Yeah, I thought so. Please look up irony.
MadisonConservative on May 26, 2010 at 12:32 AM
Well I don’t think 60s chem books have quantum physics in them, so that’s a major thing.
And plate tectonics wasn’t a unifying theory til the late 60s, so there’s another thing.
But I see wrong info all the time in textbooks & I specifically have to point it out.
I even have the kids write the right i9nfo in their books at times for all the future kids.
I do think schools should have decent computers to learn from bcs there are computer application classes,i.e. MS Office etc.
But for the basics, computers are not necessary, nor iPODs or iPADs etc.
Graphing calcs are kinda necessary for advance math.
And some science lab ware needs to be modern, but things like electronic pH meters & such are not needed.
I do a lot of lab work the old way, but for things like DNA analysis, I need some new stuff.
But there are a lot of devices I can jimmy-rig together to do the same things as some of the fancy spendy new science-ware.
Badger40 on May 26, 2010 at 12:33 AM
You’re quite the c**ksucker, aren’t you? An elitist, bourgeoisie fop.
MadisonConservative on May 26, 2010 at 12:34 AM
And for the record, I make less than $37,000/yr in salary for being an 8th yr teacher & then you can add in my benefits.
I feel justly compensated at that level.
I don’t know who in the hell you’re talking abt that makes 85K/yr.
Badger40 on May 26, 2010 at 12:35 AM
My teachers also didn’t teach in a podunk three-room schoolhouse, and most of my classes had more than 3 or 4 kids in them.
Why even use handouts since you’re such an amazing lecturer? Screw those kids who are visual learners. They’ll take notes and like it.
Why use movies, Badger? Someone else made those movies. Be a real man and film your own.
I certainly hope none of my doctors were your students. “Badger wouldn’t let us use a textbook, because those are for losers, but from his lecture, I’m pretty sure your spleen is right under your bellybutton.”
Good Solid B-Plus on May 26, 2010 at 12:37 AM
He mentions that government is not a tea party. From the context he meant that literally, an actual tea party that young girls have with dolls and stuffed animals, Alice has with the Mad Hatter, and old ladies have with doilies. Who will be the first Liberal to claim he was attacking The TEA Party?
hadsil on May 26, 2010 at 12:37 AM
Fiscal discipline is going to be tough for a lot of people.
AnninCA on May 26, 2010 at 12:38 AM
Yeah, to hell with new “science-ware.” Why use a computer? I’m sure Badger here can MacGuyver one together with some bean cans, chewed gum and an old TV tube.
Good Solid B-Plus on May 26, 2010 at 12:39 AM
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