Whoa: Fiorina 46, Campbell 23, DeVore 14
posted at 9:30 pm on May 24, 2010 by Allahpundit
I’m completely mystified. Here’s what the poll of polls looks like:
And here’s Survey USA this afternoon:
In the Republican primary for US Senator, support for former Hewlett Packard CEO Carly Fiorina is up sharply in the past 2 weeks, from 24% on 05/10/10 to 46% today 05/24/10. Fiorina’s support has more than doubled among women, seniors, Hispanics, the less educated, and in the Inland Empire. During these 2 weeks, Former Congressman Tom Campbell’s support dropped 12 points, from 35% on 05/10/10 to 23% today 05/24/10…
SurveyUSA interviewed 2,700 California adults 05/21/10 through 05/23/10. Of them, 2,311 were registered to vote. Of the registered voters, 612 were determined by SurveyUSA to be likely to vote in the 06/08/10 Republican Primary; 716 were determined to be likely to vote in the 06/08/10 Democratic primary. Early voting began two weeks ago, 05/10/10.
If you’re thinking 612 is too small a sample and therefore bound to produce unreliable results, think again: Rasmussen used 500 likely voters in his latest poll of the Arizona gubernatorial race. Survey USA is a reputable pollster too, so there’s no reason to think that the books were cooked here. And yet … how could Fiorina’s support double in just two weeks? Palin’s endorsement came back on May 6, the same day as the Senate primary debate, but if Fiorina got some huge bounce out of that it should have shown up (at least partly) in the last Survey USA poll taken between May 6 and May 9. It didn’t. Carly was floundering at 24 percent; Campbell led with 35 percent and DeVore was actually a point better than he is today at 15 percent.
Assuming the poll is accurate-ish and not some wild outlier, the only explanation I can come up with is undecideds breaking hard for Fiorina for whatever reason. In the poll two weeks ago, 23 percent were undecided. Today’s it’s only 11 percent, with virtually the entire difference having now broken for Carly along with a huge chunk of Campbell’s support. Any reason why that would be? All I can figure is that Campbell was hurt by the emphasis on Israel at the debate, and since DeVore appears to be a lost cause, fencesitters have decided on Fiorina as the best combo of viability and principle. Any theories?
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I have no idea who’s really ahead in the CA-Sen GOP primary. I do know, however, that Chuck DeVore’s solidly in third place, and that he needs to drop out and endorse Fiorina.
Speaking of Fiorina, I find it highly unlikely that she gained 22 points in 14 days, while Tom Campbell dropped 12 points in the same time frame.
What that would mean is that every undecided voter (undecideds were down from 23% to 11% in this new poll) went towards Fiorina, while Fiorina was also able to scalp a significant amount of Campbell voters away from him. Again, unlikely.
Chuck DeVore was at 14% in the poll, by the way.
The other poll released today was conducted by Adam Geller, a Republican pollster for National Research, Inc. It showed Fiorina with 28%, Campbell with 26%, and DeVore with 19%. The margin of error was +/-5%.
I personally have never heard of National Research, Inc., so I have no idea how reliable they are.
The other most recent poll released was conducted from May 17-19 by Research2000 and Daily Kos. It had Tom Campbell leading with 37% of the vote, followed by Fiorina at 22% and DeVore at 14%.
Conclusion: Looking at polls to figure out which way momentum is going in the CA-Sen GOP primary right now is a huge waste of time.
nickj116 on May 24, 2010 at 10:29 PM
I wouldn’t count on that. That used to be the case, but the AZ may drive voters into the Dem category for a cycle or two.
Wait until they see the Dems sell them out.
They’ll be back.
AnninCA on May 24, 2010 at 10:30 PM
Sarahcudda fanboys/fangirls work against her in ways you can’t imagine…and this coming from someone who likes Sarah a lot.
AUINSC on May 24, 2010 at 10:31 PM
That actually sounds more realistic.
I am not sure that this blog is good at poll interpretations.
AnninCA on May 24, 2010 at 10:31 PM
Like I’ve been saying…
Palin should run for Congress.
All of Congress…
Haiku Guy on May 24, 2010 at 10:31 PM
Chuck’s campaign sent out an e-mail this weekend urging everyone to watch his lone couple of commercials during “24″ tonight. I don’t know, it seems like the last hurrah to me. Good news is, he can use this campaign as a springboard for the future. I like Chuck, I hope he tries to fill the vacancy that comes from, my hoped for, DiFi retirement in 2012
bestwins on May 24, 2010 at 10:31 PM
Palin backed her after this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pJhLsDSIgU
Carly was McCain’s economic advisor and she got canned from HP. It wouldn’t be someone I’d back.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/mccain-economic.html
njpat on May 24, 2010 at 10:32 PM
Read all of the polls nationwide. The polls are starting to move. How these polls look on June 1, is a rule of thumb that they will be that way come election day. They might ebb and flow but that is the usual way they turn out.
Everywhere I go. Everyone I talk to are saying the same thing the dims have to go. It is settling deep around the nation. If we had effective voices to speak for those people the democrat party would be DOA now. Unfortunately we have what we have.
Jdripper on May 24, 2010 at 10:33 PM
This poll may be an outlier, but nevertheless, nobody could deny this is proof of a surge in support in Fiorina. The only question is how big.
But the real interesting story is this …
Palin’s primary endorsements are proving so effective, even perhaps unprecedented. GOP primary candidates in 2012 will be falling over themselves supporting Palin if she runs in 2012.
csThor on May 24, 2010 at 10:33 PM
Ummm…they’re needed for some balance. How long have we heard that candidates would run from a Palin endorsement since Palin was so universally despised? On the contrary, candidates she endorses seem to be doing better for it.
ddrintn on May 24, 2010 at 10:35 PM
That was, obviously, her plan. But I don’t care who’s advising her. She’s ultimately making the calls.
I thought she boo-booed this past week, suggesting that donations were responsible for the BP deal. I agreed with critics that was a low blow.
She’s allowed, of course. But I think that’s where she needs to really tighten up. No shooting from the hip junk.
She can talk Alaskan, but she needs to be quite a sharp-shooter on criticism.
AnninCA on May 24, 2010 at 10:35 PM
This is exactly the kind of stuff I was talking about in my previous comment. This is not helping her…if you don’t know why, think about it.
AUINSC on May 24, 2010 at 10:36 PM
Oh please. Is this Clue?
LOL*
What the heck are you talking about?
AnninCA on May 24, 2010 at 10:37 PM
Look, I agree that she is helping some candidates. But some of her choices are really bad. Two examples…Fiorina and McCain. I don’t like either of them…they aren’t conservatives…we get it. I can almost understand her support for McCain…after the way his staff treated her and he treated conservatives…Stockholm syndrome. But Carly?!?! She’s Schwarzenegger in drag.
AUINSC on May 24, 2010 at 10:39 PM
Sarah is earning credibility. I always knew that was what she had to do.
Her interviews on Fox are natural now, relaxed. She’s not quite Rove-like….but very credible.
By the time she announces, she’ll even be ready to handle the “other side” of the press.
She really is quite a quick study, in my opinion. She’s totally focused.
AnninCA on May 24, 2010 at 10:39 PM
Let me take a crack at it. Palin endorses someone, and since she’s soooo hated then there will be bookoos of hostile media scrutiny, bringing that endorsed candidate to his/her knees in no time flat. Something like that.
ddrintn on May 24, 2010 at 10:40 PM
Thanks for the unintentional endorsement :-)
AUINSC on May 24, 2010 at 10:40 PM
The Margin of Error of a poll is at the 95% confidence interval, so from the statistics alone the results can be expected to exceed that margin one in twenty times…
oddball on May 24, 2010 at 10:40 PM
Oh, OK.
Well, I’m one who would have been TOTALLY appalled had she not endorsed John McCain. It would be, to me, the epitome of a lack of gratitude for him having chosen her to run as his VP.
That really would have been a dealmaker to me. That would have put her into the category of cynical politicians who throw people under the bus, and I don’t respect that.
AnninCA on May 24, 2010 at 10:41 PM
I don’t agree with all of them either, but that isn’t the point. The point was about the effectiveness of Palin’s endorsement. As I said, it’s been axiomatic for quite a while that she is so despised and reviled and (oooh! my favorite) divisive and polarizing that any candidate endorsed by her is sure to end up in a heap of radioactive ash.
ddrintn on May 24, 2010 at 10:42 PM
I get that. She combats that easily by endorsing often. The press is thin these days. LOL*
She can simply overwhelm their ability to smear everyone. :)
AnninCA on May 24, 2010 at 10:42 PM
Rand stepped into his own mess. He clearly got carried away, gave MSN an in, and boy…..did he learn.
AnninCA on May 24, 2010 at 10:44 PM
Yeah, but you see….that’s what bothers me. The fact the she stamps the ‘Endorse by Sarah’ on a candidate doesn’t mean they are worth a damn. And anybody who just touts “hey, they were endorsed by Sarah!” as the sole justification for a vote is no better than an Obamabot in my opinion. That what Palin Fanboys and Fangirls do…and they don’t get why, in some cases, nobody gives a damn who Sarah endorses…like this case.
No, they just go on and on and on and on about Sarah…and how if you don’t just love the candidate that she endorsed, then, by golly, you just have issues!
I’m sick of it…and it works against her…do you get why now?
AUINSC on May 24, 2010 at 10:47 PM
But you do give a damn. She’s just not endorsing the one you want her to endorse.
ddrintn on May 24, 2010 at 10:52 PM
Actually she didn’t suggest that at all.
In fact, she clarified her position in a FB post today:
powerpro on May 24, 2010 at 10:54 PM
Over here in Republican San Diegoland, I note that I’ve seen a lot more Fiorina ads in the past week than before.
I think the poll bounce, assuming it is correct, could be a combination of factors: The Palin endorsement — after the shock wore off — probably helped to warm several likely voters to the possibility of voting for Fiorina. With their psychological defenses down a week later, the increased ads would be more likely to take root instead of being automatically rejected.
Hell, after this past week, even I’m seriously considering voting for her.
apostic on May 24, 2010 at 10:54 PM
Exactly. We don’t all tow the line here. Maybe some folks should wake up to that fact. Rubbing Sarah in our face 24/7 doesn’t do her any favors.
AUINSC on May 24, 2010 at 10:58 PM
You come to these threads; they don’t come to you. Although admittedly this is a Fiorina thread; still you must have known that Palin would come up at least tangentially in the post.
ddrintn on May 24, 2010 at 11:00 PM
We need Republican candidates who are willing and able to deliver some low blows.
GaltBlvnAtty on May 24, 2010 at 11:01 PM
You and that super puss OReally thought she boo booed.
But what was Gibbs condescending amatuerish response?
“Palin needs to brush up on her KNOWLEDGE OF OIL DRILLING”
Sarah baited the clowns and they played right into her hands.
Opened the door and Fibbs took the bait hook line and sinker!
Ya suppose Fibbs and Pinnochio know 1/2 as much as Sarah about oil production?
Besides the only way to stop the Alinskys from using this to ban and tax all oil drilling further is to hang it aroun
d the necks of a lazy, inept, uncaring Federal response. Make it obamas katrina or they will make it the end of domestic oil production and affordable oil and gasoline.
dhunter on May 24, 2010 at 11:01 PM
Well said. If he wants to take a hardline stance against the Campbell’s of the world, electability be damned, then I get it and usually would even support it. I don’t put Fiorina in that realm at all. He doesn’t have to support her at this point, but a call for her to drop out is going to cost him in the sense that people are going to take what he says regarding races with a huge grain of salt. It hurts himself, and I don’t want that because he does a good job of getting candidates names out there early enough in the process to make a difference in some cases. To use your phrase, he doesn’t pick battles very well. There may be too much pragmatism out there in many cases, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t have its place.
stldave on May 24, 2010 at 11:02 PM
I’m glad to see the “walk-back.”
She’ll get by with this one. There’s a load of stories out there on this, so her comments will, luckily, get lost in the swirl.
But I am glad she corrected course. It was truly a ridiculous criticism and a low blow that had no legitamacy.
I am glad to see that she walked it back.
AnninCA on May 24, 2010 at 11:04 PM
This poll could easily be an outlier, and there are other factors besides Palin’s endorsement that are probably helping Carly.
Myself, I’m just enjoying watching allah “pundit” express his mystified wonderment at Carly’s momentum- when the lil ole Wasilla snowbilly recognized and declared WEEKS ago that Carly was a conservative who could win.
Hahaha. Looking like Palin has a better grasp of political reality yet again.
cs89 on May 24, 2010 at 11:05 PM
I’m not complaining about the thread…just the Sarah fans. Look, I’m not the first to notice this. Sarah fans are obnoxious in their love of all things Sarah….everything is about Sarah. So any candidate, who is endorsed by Sarah, must be the right one…no matter what.
I’m just saying I’m sick of it. I’m sure I’m not the only one. So I’m just saying to Sarah fans…even if a topic is tangential to Sarah…don’t assume she is at the center of it. That’s all I’m saying. It’s for her own good.
AUINSC on May 24, 2010 at 11:06 PM
AnninCA on May 24, 2010 at 11:06 PM
That’s really not going to happen. Sarah has single-handedly revived the GOP.
So, what type of GOP do you like, anyway?
Polo-shirt types?
AnninCA on May 24, 2010 at 11:07 PM
Exhibit A. See my previous comment.
AUINSC on May 24, 2010 at 11:10 PM
And Palin fans are sick of hearing that anything she says, does and is is universally despised. You might not have the fanboy/girldom without the irrational nitpicking of everything to do with Palin.
ddrintn on May 24, 2010 at 11:12 PM
I don’t really see it as a walkback though.
She didn’t accuse the administration of anything. She only highlighted that they were the biggest recipients of BP dollars and wondered why the press hasn’t bothered checking into that angle.
She was looking at that from a press incompetence/corruption angle from the start:
Some folks interpreted her response to be about oil companies in general or suggested that she was saying there was a connection … but that’s not what she said. Her clarification was necessary because other folks misinterpreted what I thought was a pretty clear indictment on a media that refuses to ask the most basic questions of this administration.
powerpro on May 24, 2010 at 11:12 PM
California isn’t worthy of a candidate like Chuck DeVore, yet. He still has my vote but this state is as lost as Obama is opaque.
I’d vote for Fiorina over Campbell if forced to. The Sami Al-arian thing is only part of it. No love for anyone who attempts to mess with Proposition 13 at ALL.
OT/ someone stole the American flag and nice no-tangle flag pole from our front yard last night and BURNED IT under the bridge near our house. California only has a few gasps left.
NTWR on May 24, 2010 at 11:13 PM
THEORY:
Tea Party members recognize that Fiorina is the best chance at victory. Perhaps not the be-all and end-all, but better than the alternatives.
Faced with these facts, pragmatism and the “one bit at a time” philosophy of eating the Democrat Donkey prevails.
I think this theory can be supported by observing other races for this sort of ‘twang’ in the polling.
heldmyw on May 24, 2010 at 11:13 PM
Do some checking on Carly…she’s got a troubling connection. She’s on the board of Freedom House which is directly tied to the Albert Shanker Institute. Shanker was the founder of the teacher’s union (the AFT- American Federation of Teachers.)
http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?boardmember=60&page=10
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Shanker
http://www.aft.org/yourwork/tools4teachers/democracyweb.cfm
njpat on May 24, 2010 at 11:14 PM
But what was Gibbs condescending amatuerish response?
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Fibbs speaks for Obama! Dang woman Obama probably knows less than Fibbs about oil production and both know less than Palin. Its’ the response!
Fibbs and Obama look like a couple of petty 16 year old girls when they call Sarah out on oil.
She is takin it to them everyday. Obama most days but Fibbs stepped into it this time.
Shes’ eatin their lunch and their to damn dumb to do anything other than personal petty attacks which demean them and elevate her. Especially when anyone with half a brain knows Sarah knows oil production.
dhunter on May 24, 2010 at 11:16 PM
Campbell: voting to cut off Israeli aid would be OK if we were cutting everyone off, which we should. Voting against Jerusalem as the capital? That is no good.
So Carly will send Boxer packing. What a joy!
AshleyTKing on May 24, 2010 at 11:17 PM
You have no basis to make that statement. I’ve defended her from every attack from the left. I just don’t believe she is a god…or goddess…she has made a few very serious mistakes. I just don’t take her endorsements as gospel….or anything she does as, defacto, perfect. I’m not looking for a saviour. Just a solid, honest conservative. I think she is honest…I like her…but I’m not obsessed with her and I don’t think she is perfect.
Reagan never got this kind of blind adulation and I like to think he would have been very uncomfortable with it if he had.
AUINSC on May 24, 2010 at 11:19 PM
So what is the matter with Freedom House, or are you pulling our chain?
AshleyTKing on May 24, 2010 at 11:21 PM
Fine. I think conspiracy junk over contributions is pretty tacky stuff.
I ignored her totally on that one.
I was actually really glad to see she backed it off.
I thought it was petty.
AnninCA on May 24, 2010 at 11:23 PM
AUINSC on May 24, 2010 at 11:19 PM
Hard to find anyone else to root for these days when it seems the Republican men have lost their balls and Sarah has more than the LA Lakers!
I guess we should cut Mitt, Newt, Huck and any other wannabees some slack for hidin under the porch while the socialists are spending us into oblivion and they are too busy tryin to buy off straw poll voters to bother to take the Pinnochio Presidnete to task!
dhunter on May 24, 2010 at 11:24 PM
Nor do most of her fans. Not getting as upset as you are about her endorsements doesn’t equate to Palinolatry. I’m a little tired of the phony dichotomy: either criticize Palin the way I want her to be criticized or else you’re a drooling Palinbot. Bullsh1t.
ddrintn on May 24, 2010 at 11:24 PM
Fair enough…but it’s legitimate to wonder why the press is not even looking into the question at all, except for MG of course.
powerpro on May 24, 2010 at 11:25 PM
I wouldn’t waste my time pulling your chain. Do you think that an organization that is hooked up with the teacher’s union is good? I hightly doubt it.
njpat on May 24, 2010 at 11:25 PM
Nobody but someone who has “birther” attitude would even suggest that the president of the US would abandon real action because of a donation to a reelection campaign.
Seriously. That showed very poor judgment and added to an earned reputation as being a bit of a “mean girl.”
I personally will let it pass, unless it’s repeated.
Then I’ll abandon her.
I’m serious. I really don’t like that junk.
AnninCA on May 24, 2010 at 11:28 PM
Who said that? Admittedly, I skimmed some of this thread, but what I see the “fanboys” and “fangirls” suggesting has less to do with whether Fiorina is the right candidate — unless by “right” you mean in a much better position to beat the poseur Campbell, and then Boxer in the general — and more to do with how much Palin’s endorsement factors in to her surge in the polls. Maybe you’re right: Maybe Carly is absolutely the wrong candidate. That’s immaterial to whether Palin’s support made the difference for her.
You need to get the chip off your shoulder. I wish a libertarian-oriented Republican could win office here in Arkansas. It ain’t gonna happen. Social cons are everywhere here. They are still the lesser threat imo. Sometimes you need to be pragmatic and choose your battles.
NoLeftTurn on May 24, 2010 at 11:32 PM
That isn’t exactly unthinkable.
ddrintn on May 24, 2010 at 11:32 PM
Reagan never got this kind of blind adulation and I like to think he would have been very uncomfortable with it if he had.
AUINSC on May 24, 2010 at 11:19 PM
umm… Wasn’t Reagan in a position to wreck the GOP around 1976, when he maintained party loyalty and pulled his fans back into the fold?
Also, if you aren’t sure what “Palinistas” are talking about when we mention the relentless criticism of Palin, I’d suggest you review 3 ranomly selected allahpundit posts about her from the Nov. 2008-March 2009 timeframe.
Kind of the “Chinese water torture” method of getting hundreds of comments, IMHO.
cs89 on May 24, 2010 at 11:33 PM
What phony dichotomy? Who said you had to criticize her?
I’m not getting upset about anything…just pointing out that the love of all things Palin…and that all good things must be because of Palin…it’s getting old.
Does anybody have any emirical evidence that Fiorina’s poll jump is because of Palin’s endorsement? I didn’t think so. Yet many are jumping to that conclusion.
What about Carly? What about her stands on issues? Do they matter at all?
I get the impression from many here that if Palin endorses somebody, then that’s the last word. If she endorsed Obama, they would go right along.
And…I do like her.
AUINSC on May 24, 2010 at 11:34 PM
Yep. Absolutely.
ddrintn on May 24, 2010 at 11:35 PM
You missed my point. I’m not criticizing Palin at all.
I’m criticizing you.
You aren’t even paying attention to what I’m saying.
AUINSC on May 24, 2010 at 11:36 PM
I am tired to death of that same old strawman. THAT false choice.
ddrintn on May 24, 2010 at 11:36 PM
I think that Palin has turned a corner. The rhetoric will lag behind.
It’s normal.
AnninCA on May 24, 2010 at 11:37 PM
So why get worked up over her endorsements at all, since they have no effect?
ddrintn on May 24, 2010 at 11:38 PM
I didn’t say they had any effect. I said nobody knows.
Funny you didn’t get that.
AUINSC on May 24, 2010 at 11:39 PM
So if nobody knows, then people are free to infer and speculate. Funny that you don’t get that.
ddrintn on May 24, 2010 at 11:42 PM
Carly looks a lot like an Anne Rice character. Probably a hard worker, not afraid to work “well into the night”.
ncjetsfan on May 24, 2010 at 11:42 PM
^ I’ll put it this way: if Fiorina were indeed plummeting in the polls, who do you think would get the blame? Yeahhhhhhh…
ddrintn on May 24, 2010 at 11:43 PM
I didn’t say they weren’t either. I did get it. That was the entire point I was making.
Nevermind. I’m not you or Sarah’s enemy…I just said what I had to say.
AUINSC on May 24, 2010 at 11:45 PM
I get it. I used to often say that conservatives don’t do hero worship. I was probably wrong on that.
And I’m certain that I’d vote for Palin over Romney and Huckabee.
stldave on May 24, 2010 at 11:50 PM
Fiorina has had some pretty good ads lately.
Speakup on May 24, 2010 at 11:52 PM
McCain I’ll give you (and Sarah supported him out of loyalty)but Carly’s far from being Schwarzenkennedy in drag and she is, indeed a Conservative!
Carly’s pro-Life, pro-gun,pro-traditional marriage, anti-cap & trade, wants to repeal ObamaCare, wants border security and is against amnesty.
She’s every bit as Conservative as Devore.
In addition, she’s been endorsed by the Susan B. Anthony List and National Right to Life for her pro-Life stance, but Chuck Devore has not.
Jenfidel on May 24, 2010 at 11:52 PM
Whatever.
I’m still going with DeVore.
The Ugly American on May 24, 2010 at 11:54 PM
How about the connection to the Progressive Policy Institute? I see some people saying that Soros gives it funds but I’d have to dig a little more before I would say that.
http://www.ppionline.org/ppi_ci.cfm?knlgAreaID=126&subsecID=189&contentID=254572
njpat on May 24, 2010 at 11:54 PM
No one polled me, and I just mailed in my absentee ballot for DeVore. So did my husband. I know the strategy argument for backing Fiorina, which I’ll do if she wins the primary, but for now, I have to vote for the best candidate.
LASue on May 24, 2010 at 11:54 PM
Carly has been endorsed by the National Right to Life, the California Pro-Life Council, and the Susan B. Anthony List. She is pro-life, pro-traditional marriage, pro-military, and pro-strict border security and against amnesty. She is against Obamacare and will vote to repeal it and prevent the government takeover of private companies and industries. Here’s Sarah Palin’s comment about Carly being a “RINO” from her Facebook endorsement:
Jenfidel on May 24, 2010 at 11:56 PM
Sorry I screwed up my last post!
I’m on the “Windows” side of my Intel iMac and I’m not used to using the format…and it’s much less user-friendly than the Mac side! :-)
Jenfidel on May 24, 2010 at 11:58 PM
Fiorina is a loser. She ran HP into the ground, is constantly labeled one of the worst CEO’s ever, and with that in mind, I wouldn’t trust her to run anything, let alone elect her to office. Palin is an opportunist, she doesn’t stand on principle no matter what, or else she would’ve endored DeVore. She picked the candidate who was polling the highest, that way all the drooling Palinstas would praise her “genius” in picking candidates.
Palin still refuses to take ANY questions that aren’t 100% pre-screened and from anyone but a fawning drooling Palin-fan reporter. That is NOT presidential material, and if you think it is, well what can really be said at this point? It’s the same ol’ whiny, victim Sarah we were introduced to shortly after the 2008 campaign. The Palin that has skin so thin she’d rather be a Fox News pundit than take a single hostile question.
What the Palinstas don’t seem to get is that the only reason ANYONE with a brain cell cares what Palin thinks or who she endorses is because the Palinstas themselves have given her this mythical power to give an opinion that we should ever care about.
Outside of the undeserved power you all have bestowed upon her, her opinion would mean nothing. As should be the case. A half of one term governor is only steering national politics because you guys drool over her like she’s the messiah, and when a cult develops, as Obama is proof, it becomes powerful merely because it’s given itself power.
The Palin-worship is getting to the point of being sickening. We’ve had the messiah as president already, and he’s a total failure so far.
TheBlueSite on May 24, 2010 at 11:58 PM
Not surprising at all. We in California are sick of voting for Republican candidates that win the primary but get maybe 10% of the vote in the general. A “conservative” doesn’t stand a chance in hell here. DeVore would probably lose by 30 points or more in the general. Campbell by 20 or so. Carly is the only shot we have of getting someone up there who isn’t an Obama lap dog.
crosspatch on May 25, 2010 at 12:00 AM
As long as we’re posting Palin’s idiotic praise of Fiorina, let’s not forget this gem:
Yeah. Too bad she halved the HP stock during her tenure, nearly destroyed the company, and was named one of the worst CEO’s. She weathered the storm with the company on a new stronger foundation, its stock price half of what it was when she took over, Fiorina ousted as CEO for her miserable performance.
And you guys take this woman seriously? It’s hilarious.
TheBlueSite on May 25, 2010 at 12:02 AM
You missed my point. I’m not criticizing Palin at all.
I’m criticizing you.
You aren’t even paying attention to what I’m saying.
AUINSC on May 24, 2010 at 11:36 PM
I was paying enough attention to catch you blowing smoke about Reagan not getting any “blind adulation” in you’re attempt to criticize “Palin fanboys/girls.”
Ever hear of “Reagan’s Raiders” at the ’76 convention?
Anyway, in every movement there will be various levels of support and enthusiasm. “Fanatics” are usually defined as those more passionate about a given candidate than the writer/speaker.
Be that as it may….
I don’t think Palin is perfect. IMO, though, she’s the strongest horse consrvatives have in this field, and I’ll back her fully unless someone better emerges from the pack.
cs89 on May 25, 2010 at 12:05 AM
Huh, is right. I just don’t get it. Why can’t we vote for our preference instead of playing odds?
juanito on May 25, 2010 at 12:06 AM
Some people in the business world have a completely different take on Fiorina’s management of HP and think that it was quite successful.
Carly’s willing to run on her record anyway…
She’s not running for Forbes’ Exec of the Year but for U.S. Senate.
What was Boxer’s private sector experience?
Jenfidel on May 25, 2010 at 12:06 AM
I’m impressed….someone who does a little digging rather than form their views from endorcements and 30 second sound bites.
njpat on May 25, 2010 at 12:06 AM
“Yeah. Too bad she halved the HP stock during her tenure, nearly destroyed the company,”
THAT is absolute crap. I live in Silicon Valley. What she did was basically moved HP out of the “big iron” computer business into the Intel platform. Yeah, there were a LOT of people in the company that lost their jobs because they discovered they were dinosaurs. By 2007 HP was the largest computer manufacturer on the planet. Yeah, there were sour grapes because she changed the direction of the company and destroyed a lot of fiefdoms/sacred cows in the process. But she was tremendously successful.
crosspatch on May 25, 2010 at 12:06 AM
Thank you my friend!
If it weren’t for your comic relief, this would be one very heavy thread.
BTW, don’t you say the same exact thing on every post you make?
AUINSC on May 25, 2010 at 12:07 AM
TheBlueSite, you can keep repeating that drivel if you like, but it isn’t true. That woman has vision.
crosspatch on May 25, 2010 at 12:07 AM
CUDAGODDESS <3
lansing quaker on May 25, 2010 at 12:09 AM
This from someone whose website is apparently dedicated to a lot of worship of the “entertainment world”. Getouttahere.
ddrintn on May 25, 2010 at 12:09 AM
Nice diversion.
I’m still waiting for you to defend your opinion that Carly “isn’t a conservative” when presented with evidence to the contrary…
Jenfidel on May 25, 2010 at 12:09 AM
Gotta say it, ddr: all your comments on this thread have been pretty choice!
Thank you for some joy!
Jenfidel on May 25, 2010 at 12:11 AM
Joshy Joshy Joshy…C’mon mah man take your klonopin and man up. Get out the house and see the real world!@
Inanemergencydial on May 25, 2010 at 12:12 AM
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/mccain-economic.html
njpat on May 25, 2010 at 12:13 AM
Every politician who strikes a chord will have a subsect of supporters who take it too far.
What’s frustrating is that some will use a paintbrush and suggest that any show of support = cultlike worship.
I don’t worship her…she is a fallible human being. And if she were to run and win in 2012, she’d have to continually prove her commitment to serving the people to me just like any other political figure.
powerpro on May 25, 2010 at 12:13 AM
That wasn’t a ‘diversion’. Just an observation. Thanks for questioning my motives though.
We’ll just start here…let me know when you are ready for more:
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/11/23/carly-fiorina-channels-dede-scozzafava-wields-racegender-card-against-conservative-rival/
No distraction, please.
AUINSC on May 25, 2010 at 12:13 AM
Isn’t true? I’m going with what dozens of business sites/magazines have said over the years.
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/p85059.asp
That, for example, is one of dozens. She HAS been named one of the worst CEOs in history. Which is what I said. She did halve HP’s stock with her merger with compaq. In 1999 it was $52 or something, in 2005 it was down to $21. She was ousted by the board, took tens of millions on her way out, and as soon as she left, the stock price jumped back up.
This isn’t drivel, these are solid stats no can deny. Well, Palin supporters can deny anything, I’m learning.
You guys like to also attack McCain all the time, but you’re all behind Fiorina who was McCain’s economic advisor! (mind boggling)
TheBlueSite on May 25, 2010 at 12:19 AM
Inanemergencydial on May 25, 2010 at 12:12 AM
Thanks, anonymous internet coward, but I get out plenty.
TheBlueSite on May 25, 2010 at 12:20 AM
Every Devore troll on Twitter has already Tweeted that Michelle Malkin thing right after Palin endorsed Fiorina.
Just because Carly was civil to Jesse Jackson and believes in “woman power” doesn’t make her any less a Conservative, Michelle.
Devore is a loser.
He cannot win the GOP primary, ergo, he won’t get to fight against Boxer.
A vote for Devore is a vote for Tom Campbell who is reputed to be to the Left of Boxer and who is, truly, a RINO.
Jenfidel on May 25, 2010 at 12:21 AM
You don’t say if HP went through a stock split or diluted the number of shares.
That would account for the lower price…
CEO’s that are bad don’t get offered “tens of millions” just to leave.
I repeat, we’re not electing Carly to Chairman of the Board but to the U.S. Senate.
I voted for McCain and still feel that as President, McCain, with Sarah and Carly by his side, would have handled the economy infinitely better than Comrade Urkel!
Jenfidel on May 25, 2010 at 12:25 AM
Well, sound like a ‘begging the question’ argument to me. DeVore can’t win the primary because RINOs won’t vote for him, ergo Carly wins…so she must be a conservative.
Very lame.
Anyway, why are people who post MM’s argument on twitter ‘Devore Trolls’? Is MM a Devore Troll then?
AUINSC on May 25, 2010 at 12:25 AM
That one essentially has Fiorina pointing out that Devore electability. Since Devore still hasn’t cracked 20%, I’d say it looks like Carly was right on the mark with that until Devore can produce a datapoint that shows otherwise.
Do you have anything else that she suggest she isn’t a conservative? I’m sure I have things to learn on this race, though I’ve tried to read up on it. So far all I have heard is that she campaigned for McCain and she was a CEO of a company with a dying product pipeline.
stldave on May 25, 2010 at 12:30 AM
Think about what that woman did. She bought Compaq which at the time had absorbed Tandem and DEC. That is the source of a lot of the sour grapes right there. That is in 2001 or 2002 in the middle of the “dot-bomb” Silicon Valley tech crash. By 2007 or 2008, HP had become the first IT company in history to surpass 100 billion dollars in revenue. Today it is larger than IBM.
Sure, revenues were down during her tenure as was every single company in Silicon Valley at the time, but she positioned the company for explosive growth once things turned around.
Carly has more tenure in private industry that DeVore and Campbell combined.
crosspatch on May 25, 2010 at 12:31 AM
And then there is the “small matter” of her praising Islam more than most true believers.
Lawrence Talbot on May 25, 2010 at 12:32 AM
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