Obama to military commanders: Get ready in case North Korea makes a move
posted at 4:10 pm on May 24, 2010 by Allahpundit
Nothing’s happened yet but something big could happen soon, so let’s get a post up to make sure we’re all on the same page. Remember in March when that South Korean ship exploded, killing 46 sailors on board? It was no mystery who did it, but not until this past week did U.S. intelligence conclude that the orders to sink it came straight from the top.
The officials said they were increasingly convinced that Mr. Kim ordered the sinking of the ship, the Cheonan, to help secure the succession of his youngest son.
“We can’t say it is established fact,” said one senior American official who was involved in the highly classified assessment, based on information collected by many of the country’s 16 intelligence agencies. “But there is very little doubt, based on what we know about the current state of the North Korean leadership and the military.”…
Under the leading theory of the American intelligence agencies, Mr. Kim ordered the attack to re-establish both his control and his credentials after a debilitating stroke two years ago, and by extension reinforcing his right to name his son Kim Jong-un as his successor…
Victor Cha, a North Korea expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington and a former official in the National Security Council during President George W. Bush’s second term in office, noted that when Mr. Kim was on the rise three decades ago, “there were similar incidents designed to build his credibility” as a leader.
They leaked the analysis over the weekend because Hillary and a bunch of other cabinet officials are in China today and of course will use the report to pressure Beijing to rein Kim in before he does something so nutty that South Korea has no choice but to respond. The first step is a Security Council condemnation, which China will be asked to join. The next step? Well, according to South Korea’s president, they’re changing their military posture from “passive defense” to … “proactive deterrence.” Via Business Insider, gird your loins:
“If our territorial waters, airspace or territory are militarily violated, we will immediately exercise our right of self-defense,” Lee said in an address to the nation, televised live Monday morning.
“From this moment, no North Korean ship will be allowed to make passage through any of the shipping lanes in the waters under our control, which has been allowed by the Inter-Korean Agreement on Maritime Transportation,” Lee said. “The sea routes meant for inter-Korean exchanges and cooperation must never again be used for armed provocations.”…
“Trade and exchanges between the Republic of Korea and North Korea will also be suspended,” Lee said.
“However, we will continue to provide assistance for infants and children,” he said. “Matters pertaining to the Kaesong Industrial Complex will be duly considered, taking its unique characteristics into consideration.”
They’re also promising to install loudspeakers at the border to blast anti-Kim propaganda, a tactic they’re used in the past; North Korea says if they do it, they’ll open fire. I’m not too worried yet, as the fact that SK is promising to continue humanitarian aid at least creates some space for de-escalation, but offhand I can’t recall a moment in recent years where the cold peace on the peninsula has been this fragile. Somewhat to my surprise, not only is Obama offering “unequivocal” support for South Korea’s defense, he’s rattling the saber by ordering U.S. commanders in Korea to “ensure readiness” and authorizing joint naval exercises with SK in the “near future.” The calculus, of course, is that a show of force will concentrate Kim’s mind on the price of further escalation, which … is not what would I have expected from Hopenchange circa 2008. Circa 2009, though? Hmmmm.
If, god forbid, this thing does escalate further, it’ll be an explosive test of where the left and right now stand vis-a-vis America as guarantor of its allies’ security. The U.S. military presence in Seoul is tolerated back here because it’s a low-cost way of deterring a very high-cost confrontation, but if deterrence finally breaks down and this thing turns hot, how will the public cope with American casualties? Will Democrats stand behind The One? Will the isolationist/Paul wing on the right push the GOP into opposing him?









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Get ready WITH WHAT?
originalpechanga on May 24, 2010 at 4:12 PM
Has Obama decided which side America will be on?
portlandon on May 24, 2010 at 4:15 PM
I prefer preemptive moves.
Count to 10 on May 24, 2010 at 4:15 PM
The GOP will stand with him for the most part. Just like they have on Afghanistan. All bets are off with his own party though.
Doughboy on May 24, 2010 at 4:15 PM
I don’t suffer hypocrites well. If Øbama commits troops to Korea, the GOP had better get behind him. Elections have consequences. For better or worse he is the CIC.
Kafir on May 24, 2010 at 4:16 PM
OldEnglish on May 24, 2010 at 4:16 PM
The forces in Okinawa standing by for action in Iraq will have to be repositioned back to CONUS.
pedestrian on May 24, 2010 at 4:16 PM
Dope.
Akzed on May 24, 2010 at 4:17 PM
yikes. Obama in charge in this situation??? double yikes.
search4truth on May 24, 2010 at 4:17 PM
That worked real well during the Vietnam War, as I recall.
OldEnglish on May 24, 2010 at 4:17 PM
Surely we won’t need to involve the imperialistic American military. Let’s just send Barry over to talk everybody down. He told us during the campaign that all we need to do is sit down with the crazies and talk nice to them (maybe bow and apologize a few more times too?) and everything will be hunky dory.
Smart Power!
AZCoyote on May 24, 2010 at 4:17 PM
Allah… you forget the other Nations who are on watch and have been for a while. Russia is one… and one you wouldn’t readily think of.
If NoKo decides that it wan’t s legacy …. we are screwed under Obama.
upinak on May 24, 2010 at 4:18 PM
“No blood for samsung!”
the_nile on May 24, 2010 at 4:19 PM
Has Obama decided to side with America on this one?
bitsy on May 24, 2010 at 4:19 PM
Will whoWho will stand with the One? You can always count for lefties to take the anti-american side in any question or conflict. But the corollary is that the left will drop it’s pacifist facade if it helps a hapless lefty president look tough.As a conservative, I’ll support the use of force, abhor the loss of life, and hope that a smart bomb to mister Kim ends the struggle early…or that American technology in the form of counterbattery fire annihilates Nork artillery quickly.
joeindc44 on May 24, 2010 at 4:20 PM
And the North Koreans have decided now is the time become this aggressive because?
You know the answer.
SlaveDog on May 24, 2010 at 4:21 PM
For Obama to be that unequivocal is quite a surprise, where is that loyalty to the Israeli’s? Surely China owning most of our debt, Obama doesn’t want to alienate China, so what am I missing?
fourdeucer on May 24, 2010 at 4:21 PM
Obama is bluffing. The Norks probably know it.
El_Terrible on May 24, 2010 at 4:21 PM
North Korea is very sneaky. They’ve made their young man so skinny that they’re hard to hit with a bullet.
RBMN on May 24, 2010 at 4:21 PM
Interesting question regarding China and Taiwan.
I hope we don’t lose an aircraft carrier if China gets creative.
joeindc44 on May 24, 2010 at 4:22 PM
If it really was I’m so ronery jong il, then he would seeming have no reason to escalate as this would hardly insure his choice for successor’s future. On the other hand, the guy isn’t exactly firing on all cylinders either.
WitchDoctor on May 24, 2010 at 4:22 PM
Now can they go for long distances holding a gun.
upinak on May 24, 2010 at 4:22 PM
Sounds like Obama is preparing for peace by planning for war. That’s so Bush-ian of him.
Bennett on May 24, 2010 at 4:22 PM
I wonder if they have considered sending Bawney Fwank over there to, ahhh, negotiate a
piecepeace. Nobody would have to ASK him what to do and he wouldn’t have to TELL anyone what happened later.MikeA on May 24, 2010 at 4:23 PM
This sounds like a good excuse for me to cancel a business trip to S Korea I had planned for Aug…..
di butler on May 24, 2010 at 4:23 PM
None of our enemies seem to have a whole lot of respect for President Pantywaist. Imagine that.
kingsjester on May 24, 2010 at 4:23 PM
Let me see, the NoKo’s launch missiles. Nothing. The Iranians have been throwing sand in our face about their nuclear aspirations. Nothing. The NoKo’s sink a SoKo ship and he’s ready for fireworks? Huh?
If he wanted to be truly successful in this attempt at WHATEVER, he would have kept his freaking mouth shut and dropped a teeny tiny bomb right on the little freak’s palace.
I will always support our troops! Obama? It depends. Don’t confuse the two.
Oink on May 24, 2010 at 4:23 PM
Obama has finally found a way to improve his poll numbers…take on someone so far out there that only his most leftist groups (Code Pink) will let out a squeak of discontent.
right2bright on May 24, 2010 at 4:24 PM
Meanwhile,Kim Ill-Insane,having a nice glass
of wine,remarks,as he star gazes,
hey,wook at dis,is dat the Space-Shuttle,
it wooks weally kinda small,hey is dat the baby
X-37 B,
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Meantime,back at Military Ops,at the Computer moniter,
the controller remarks,
yup,in less than 30 seconds the entire Kim Ill compound
is dust!!(snark).
canopfor on May 24, 2010 at 4:24 PM
You sure it isn’t because of Gafftasic Joe and his spilling of secret-secrets!
upinak on May 24, 2010 at 4:25 PM
C’mon, its Obama, the pre-eminent purveyor of empty posturing.
novaculus on May 24, 2010 at 4:25 PM
I hope it works. Obama as acting CinC during a hot war would be a disaster for us. I suspect if the Norks/Chinese call his bluff he’ll fold like a wet dishrag though. He can fake a backbone for a while, but I think everybody in the world knows who and what he is. I hope he proves me wrong…he hasn’t yet though.
AUINSC on May 24, 2010 at 4:25 PM
Obama stated: I will not have this fighting in my world.
right2bright on May 24, 2010 at 4:26 PM
I have no confidence in Obama to do the right thing here. No matter what the right thing is.
Vyce on May 24, 2010 at 4:26 PM
If this – in anyway- interrupts the flow of hot young Korean women to the states, I for one will Paint a sign, don rose colored glasses, a drug rug and Jerusalem cruisers and be on the front lines of the protest!
Alden Pyle on May 24, 2010 at 4:26 PM
If it goes hot it won’t stay that way for long. The ROK military is an awesome machine.
Bugler on May 24, 2010 at 4:27 PM
upinak on May 24, 2010 at 4:25 PM
Naw. They’re too busy being doubled-up with laughter at Ja Jar Biden.
kingsjester on May 24, 2010 at 4:27 PM
so, how long before Obambi, breaks out the lip balm and readies himself for the oral gratification he will give to Kim JONG IL?
UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on May 24, 2010 at 4:27 PM
This is what happens when you don’t finish a war the first time.
trigon on May 24, 2010 at 4:27 PM
Interesting question…….China is a huge business player in the world today. Businesses worry about PR, and China likely doesn’t want any really bad PR or it could effect her business worldwide. China is in a no win senario because if they back KJI, they have negitive PR consequences, and if they put the mash on KJI, they could get millions of unwanted NOK peasants, and possibly face a unified Korea friendly to the US.
They will likely take the PR hit, and spin their way out of it. A unified Korea with millions of NOK peasants would be a harder problem to overcome.
We shall see.
saiga on May 24, 2010 at 4:27 PM
US moves a dozen F-22 Raptors to Guam and Japan.
Looks like we’re preparing for the worst.
MadisonConservative on May 24, 2010 at 4:28 PM
NO BLOOD FOR OIL!
Aquateen Hungerforce on May 24, 2010 at 4:28 PM
Not many of your friends do, either.
OldEnglish on May 24, 2010 at 4:28 PM
So Obama is getting ready for possible action against North Korea. Is this before or after his action against Israeli?
docdave on May 24, 2010 at 4:28 PM
North Korea needs an f’n Obama speech… I’m not kidding… get over the speechify now… go over Obama, and tell North Kroea to tear down their walls…
ninjapirate on May 24, 2010 at 4:29 PM
I really do wonder,Kim Ill Sr.and Jr.
Will Kim Jr. pass away like his dad,
without taking South Korea with him!!
canopfor on May 24, 2010 at 4:29 PM
Waiting to see how this gets spun to mean we have to have illegal alien amnesty NOW.
MikeA on May 24, 2010 at 4:29 PM
Their Dear Leader has taken the measure of our Dear Leader.
Apparently our Dear Leader comes up short.
Bruno Strozek on May 24, 2010 at 4:29 PM
Not many of your friends do, either.
OldEnglish on May 24, 2010 at 4:28 PM
Not to mention the majority of our population.
kingsjester on May 24, 2010 at 4:29 PM
Translation: “Okay you guys. Take Notice. If something happens we’re going to issue a strongly worded letter to the United Nations.”
portlandon on May 24, 2010 at 4:30 PM
Ahhh, yeah. The F-22…the one Obama cancelled because we just don’t need them anymore.
AUINSC on May 24, 2010 at 4:30 PM
And the F15 is where again? Oh that is right.. being dismantled because he thinks they are “old”.
upinak on May 24, 2010 at 4:31 PM
Boy, these tea-partiers keep brewing (!) up trouble.
joeindc44 on May 24, 2010 at 4:32 PM
Damn you Truman
faraway on May 24, 2010 at 4:32 PM
Yeah…aren’t you glad we scrapped that for the F-35…you know, the one that still isn’t finished?
MadisonConservative on May 24, 2010 at 4:33 PM
Right, because that’s worked for us so well in the past.
ernesto on May 24, 2010 at 4:33 PM
I imagine that libs will consider an Obama war divinely backed – if they believed in a higher power. /s
katiejane on May 24, 2010 at 4:35 PM
Okay.. so you being a child in this situation. Knowing that our pre-emtive move in WWII was to drop the atom bomb in Japan… didn’t work for us?
Or are you just being ignorant again?
upinak on May 24, 2010 at 4:35 PM
ever feel like Patrick Swayze in Wolverines?
upinak on May 24, 2010 at 4:36 PM
Good thing we canceled that sucker, huh?
amerpundit on May 24, 2010 at 4:36 PM
If Kim says something about Michelle’s outfit, its on.
faraway on May 24, 2010 at 4:37 PM
I’m fairly certain that the motivation for the attack was to put pieces of the script together FOR his successor. This is Kim’s opera-drama-lore-mythos story for his son to be a courageous attacker of the west.
Jason Coleman on May 24, 2010 at 4:38 PM
Obama is doing what any CIC would do in this situation. He is ordering the full readiness of the miltary in the vicinity to respond to an attack from North Korea. If the South does something like the bull horns, and that pisses off KiM-Done-Crazy, All U.S. bases in SK north of Seoul are in the range of the north’s artillery and missile barrages.
To not order full readiness at this point would be fool hardy.
paulsur on May 24, 2010 at 4:39 PM
Anti-Americanism runs rampant in South Korea. We should pull out of there right away.
jaime on May 24, 2010 at 4:41 PM
You’ve got to kidding. So we don’t have new jets ready, we are taking existing ones off line. God, that is just stupid. I’m really stupid.
Oil Can on May 24, 2010 at 4:41 PM
There was nothing preemptive about that, we were already deep into a serious war. It ended the conflict, but it wasn’t preemptive in the same sense as striking NK now would be. We’d be initiating the conflict in this case, something that we’ve done before…in Vietnam, and then again in Iraq.
They aren’t analogous situations and you know it. Nice try though. What was that about ignorant again?
ernesto on May 24, 2010 at 4:41 PM
Our CIC had better get on Air Force One and head to Pyongyang and bow down and apologize for being devisive, and dismissive, and arrogant, and derisive.
That’s what he’s good at.
Kuffar on May 24, 2010 at 4:42 PM
To steal Biden’s words, this is a big f**king deal!
Having been on the DMZ, I can assure you that if this thing goes live-fire we will casualties, both civillian and military, on a scale we do not wish to contemplate. The NK’s are not terrorist jihadis who just bomb civies and fold when met with force. These guys, both the NK’s & ROK’s are freakin HARDCORE, the carnage would be unbeleiveable. And we’d stuck stuck right in the middle. Last I heard NK has over a 1,000,000 man army, we have 35,000 and the ROK 550,000. We ar4e over taxed and ther is simply no reinforcements to send other than whatever is left of the 9th ID thats not deployed already and is still at Ft.Lewis.
This is very deep do-do here folks.
Archimedes on May 24, 2010 at 4:43 PM
The world keeps testing “The One”. I give him a solid B+.
Tommy_G on May 24, 2010 at 4:43 PM
Yeah, but look at all of the money he saved…for things like ObamaCare.
AUINSC on May 24, 2010 at 4:43 PM
I mean really stupid. brain fart!
Oil Can on May 24, 2010 at 4:43 PM
Just in time for the World Cup (in which both South and North Korea are finalists). Yikes.
jjraines on May 24, 2010 at 4:44 PM
I feel so good knowing Obama has this thing under control. Maybe the US should suspend elections for a year or more? We shouldn’t be changing congress in the middle of a crisis like this. A crisis too good to waste.
JellyToast on May 24, 2010 at 4:44 PM
Oh and I beleive ther is a small contingency of Marines in Okinawa, but my guess is less than 5,000 plus whatever is on Gaum.
Archimedes on May 24, 2010 at 4:44 PM
A psycho runt versus the narcissistic eunuch. What could go wrong?
volsense on May 24, 2010 at 4:45 PM
So why did not Bush drop one on Iran?
rightistliberal on May 24, 2010 at 4:45 PM
That
macncheez on May 24, 2010 at 4:45 PM
Given The One canceled further building of this plane, I find it ironic to put it mildly this is the plane being deployed as a response to this crisis.
Only wars fought by a Republican CinC are bad wars. Just ask a Democrat.
The Ronulans will oppose it no matter what but I think (I hope) they don’t carry that much weight in the GOP regarding foreign affairs. We should stand by our friends and we’ve learned the hard way that, “It’s not our fight” often times finds us anyways and strikes first *coughPearlHarborcough*
Yakko77 on May 24, 2010 at 4:46 PM
Sounds awfully coincidental! So the big “O” will be a war prsident now???? Oh wait only to boost his low polling! He will risk our troops to be liked again! Don’t fall for this crap.
xler8bmw on May 24, 2010 at 4:46 PM
North Korea’s in the group of death this year though…its as if they never qualified.
ernesto on May 24, 2010 at 4:46 PM
and north korea laughs, and laughs and laughs
the north korean leaders are haveing a good belly laugh over that headline
sidewinder22 on May 24, 2010 at 4:47 PM
If you have warriors, now is the time.
tomas on May 24, 2010 at 4:49 PM
Is a strongly worded letter on the way?
I got a curious thought… Obama’s response seems like trying to bolster his weak foreign policy image ahead of mid-terms. I am sure I am not the only one thinking along those lines.
antisocial on May 24, 2010 at 4:50 PM
Obama is flirting with disaster here. Imagine if there is a backlash against Koreans in the U.S.. Obama could lose the asian vote like when Bush lost the arab vote because of the muslim backlash.
JavelinaBomb on May 24, 2010 at 4:52 PM
in other words, he’s doing what the Joint Chiefs are advising. for now.
WitchDoctor on May 24, 2010 at 4:53 PM
I have little to no faith in Obama being an effect CinC but in this case, it was another egomaniac who instigated this crisis. Will Obama exploit it? For the sake of our troops, I hope not. I hope the situation calms down for the sake of all the lives on the Korean Pen. as we’re talking about millions in Seoul alone.
Yakko77 on May 24, 2010 at 4:54 PM
Well yeah…I’m sure there are others that paranoid, but I wouldn’t go around advertising that you really are that kooky.
ernesto on May 24, 2010 at 4:54 PM
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use of switching to a conventional warhead on SLBM that
are out in the deep, on the prowl!!
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canopfor on May 24, 2010 at 4:54 PM
They could avoid casualties by dropping packages of kimchi and kimbop behind the enemies lines. When the NK troops start running back to get it, then the SK troops move forward take those positions.
pedestrian on May 24, 2010 at 4:56 PM
why, what did the marxist do in afgahnastan?
oh yea, fiddled for 3 months to see how he could be hurt least politically while commanders begged for helped and our troops were getting massacred. and then telling the enemy when we’re leaving. brilliant.
sidewinder22 on May 24, 2010 at 4:56 PM
we’re not going to do squat. this marxist is even more of a paper tiger than clinton was
sidewinder22 on May 24, 2010 at 4:57 PM
We shoul get out of there! This didn’t work out to well for us the last time. South Korea wants us to fight the the war for them!
xler8bmw on May 24, 2010 at 4:58 PM
ernesto on May 24, 2010 at 4:54 PM
Ha! Coming from you? Oh thats just too rich, no really please stop! I am laughing so much my stomach hurts.
Ernesto, other than grow fins, your the biggest bag of gas that has ever tried to pass itself off as a mediocre troll. You can’t make that low a grade.
Archimedes on May 24, 2010 at 4:59 PM
Actually they don’t really want us there.
pedestrian on May 24, 2010 at 4:59 PM
Don’t worry, we have ‘smart power” on our side. Bill had Albright do the boogie down with little Kim to keep the peace. Obamy’s got a real Clinton now which is even better.
chickasaw42 on May 24, 2010 at 5:00 PM
So the last time things calmed down for a bit we sent Madeline over with some porn movies, some liquor and a signed basketball from I think Michael Jordan.
Wondering if we sent Hugh’s “The Girls Next Door”, and one of Kobe’s world champ rings along with one of Junior Johnson’s old stills, wondering if that would satisfy the pot bellied dictator?
Once upon a time I remember Uncle Rummy showing I think Brett Baer a picture under glass on his desk or a coffee table which was North Korea at night. Only place with lights on, Lil Kim’s joint. Could we cue John McCain’s version of “Barbara Ann”, but substitute the Norks?
freeus on May 24, 2010 at 5:01 PM
You are more likely to get a big date with Meagan McFatty.
KentAllard on May 24, 2010 at 5:02 PM
US moves a dozen F-22 Raptors to Guam and Japan.
Looks like we’re preparing for the worst.
MadisonConservative on May 24, 2010 at 4:28 PM
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canopfor on May 24, 2010 at 5:03 PM
Uh-oh. Guam might capsize under all the extra weight! /sarc
The voting bloc of Hyundai owners will probably support the good guys here.
Up to now, most Americans know that Kim Jingo-Il is a dangerous fool, especially if he gets nuclear weapons. The Bush Administration tried to contain him with multilateral talks with China, Russia, and Japan, which have been dropped by Obama, and now Kim has sunk a South Korean vessel, a deliberate act of war.
This is a good time to send some high-ranking diplomat to China, to ask them to stay out of the conflict, while reassuring them that the United States has no interest in North Korea besides protecting South Korea. Whether Smart Power (TM) will think of that is another story.
The main danger here is not a NorK nuke, because no one really knows how accurate their missiles are, and a nuke attack on South Korea would send fallout back over the North. The main danger is a massive artillery attack on Seoul from the DMZ, which could cause massive South Korean casualties. Joint South Korean/US naval exercises off the Korean coast MIGHT persuade Kim to back down, but the military needs to be prepared to take out the artillery along the DMZ–FAST! Are the F-22′s fast enough, and do they carry enough firepower, or could we also use an aircraft carrier closer to the South Korean coast?
Steve Z on May 24, 2010 at 5:03 PM
6 party talks dropped by Obama?? Now, a lot of people make sh*t up on this website, but that’s just ridiculous.
ernesto on May 24, 2010 at 5:05 PM
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