In defense of the impious Rand Paul

posted at 4:15 pm on May 23, 2010 by J.E. Dyer

If there is anything that demonstrates enduring intellectual piety in American politics – fealty to doctrinaire positions, reflexive demonization of those who don’t express them as a form of religious observance – it’s the fulmination from both left and right against Rand Paul.  I actually disagree with Paul quite seriously on foreign and security policy; I’m not a Paulista by any means.  But the reflexive, religiously doctrinaire reaction of his critics certainly suggests that any remaining aperture in their American minds can today be measured, at best, in micrometers.

There have been two incidents now, since the Kentucky primary, in which Rand Paul has failed to prostrate himself automatically before a political shibboleth.  One concerned the Civil Rights Act, the intent of which Paul has expressed full support for.  His quarrel is with the element of the Civil Rights Act that authorizes the federal government to regulate private businesses.

The other is Paul’s criticism of Obama’s “boot on the neck” comment about BP, and of the general societal attitude in the US that everything must be litigated and litigable fault assigned for any bad thing that happens.

Now, it may well be that there is litigable fault in the Gulf oil spill situation, and that it belongs to BP.  The cards appear, at least, to be stacking up in that direction – although I’ve reached the point at which I simply don’t believe what the MSM tells me about these matters any more.  Since I haven’t researched the thinking on the spill’s cause, I’m reserving agreement with any position for now.  But ultimately, it’s not an exercise in mere doctrinaire politics to suppose that BP may be genuinely at fault for the spill.

That said, it’s drooling like Pavlov’s dog to excoriate Rand Paul for not assuming that (a) there must, in principle, be fault, if only because of the magnitude of the problem; and (b) the appropriate way for our chief political executive to approach the problem is to assume fault, and promise to have his boot on the neck of a company with thousands of American employees (many of them in Louisiana) and millions of American investors.

Only if you think Americans are morons do you insist that they can’t handle the making of logical arguments and reasonable distinctions.  It’s thigh-slappingly hilarious to watch commentators – people who actually imagine themselves to be independent thinkers – go to general quarters over breaches of their rigid, logic-chopping protocols for speech and political response.  The Paul record on the Civil Rights Act is a particularly telling issue because quite a few Republicans are terrified of being seen as violating an article of faith – even though the highly questionable assumption of federal authority to regulate business practices in this realm is the same assumption at issue with the individual health insurance mandate.  It’s to the advantage of only the left, for this assumption to be considered sacrosanct and beyond question because of what the assumption was made for.

Federal overreach in a good cause is still federal overreach.  Republicans must reflect on this fact:  that if we refuse to reexamine the loose thinking about federal authority in the Civil Rights Act – thinking that was strongly opposed by many at the time, as older readers will remember – then we have already ceded the principle of federal overreach, and, by our own agreement, there is nothing the US federal government can’t do to us.

The funny thing is that in the 1960s, men like William F. Buckley, Jr., Barry Goldwater, and Ronald Reagan opposed the title of the Civil Rights Act that constituted federal overreach:  that is, the assumption of federal authority to regulate local business practices.  Goldwater ultimately voted against the Act precisely because of that one concern.  All of these men – unlike, say, George Wallace – were relentless opponents of state-level racist policies.  Few on the right today consider them to have been extremists.

America’s leftists, for their part, have long considered it wrong for those on the right to oppose central government action on the principle of limiting the federal government to enumerated powers.  But in the decades of my life, this point of contention has shifted from an honest political debate to the enforcement of a religious doctrine.  No longer are logical arguments made from the left.  Partisans of the left’s point of view merely express reflexive horror, demonize those making the limited-government argument, and invoke the horrible problem – whatever it is (or was) – as the evidence that it is essentially satanic to oppose doing the thing they propose to do about it.  Logical and temperate discourse has no place in this dynamic; it is reminiscent mainly of fire-and-brimstone demagoguery.

This is not just a dangerous way to make law, it’s a way that must inevitably lead to greater and greater overreach.  Nothing we do, nothing we are is protected from the federal government if we sit still for these elisions and ellipses in our observance of constitutional limits.  Most of the first ten Amendments can be effectively abrogated – and the abrogation called due process of law – by the exercise of the “authority to regulate interstate commerce,” or by findings based on “privacy” and the Fourteenth Amendment, or by the exercise of eminent domain.

Letting the federal government overreach in its application of these concepts, first in one instance and then in another and another, is what has led to the individual purchase mandate for health insurance and the other assumptions of federal authority in Obamacare.  Under the Obama executive and the current Congress, every effort is being made to extend that authority far beyond what most Americans consider appropriate, from centrally regulating the thermostat in your home to forcing the internet into the “common carrier” model of television and radio, so that content can be regulated by virtual channelization and access- or broadcast-licensing procedures.  (Bloggers, that means you.)

Tacit, unexamined acceptance of federal authority to do these things is what Rand Paul is challenging.  In 2010, he is the one asking people to think, rather than to merely repeat doctrinaire talking points taught to them since birth.  His critics, on the other hand, sound like nothing so much as children reciting a catechism, and tsk-tsk-ing over those who don’t recite it in exactly the same way.  That includes many of his critics on the right – who have agreed to be governed by a list of pieties that makes effective dissent from the left’s religious doctrine impossible.

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Being a politician means knowing the press is hostile and cannot be trusted.

Rand Paul wants us to think. Fine. If Rand Paul wants to be elected to the Senate, we want him to think too. He might start with reading The Prince.

Mr. Joe on May 23, 2010 at 4:24 PM

I need to think he’s not going to say stupid things on the teevee.

happyfeet on May 23, 2010 at 4:24 PM

Good article, J.E.

This past week has only made me admire Rand Paul even more. I suspect he will win the November election by a wide margin.

Norwegian on May 23, 2010 at 4:26 PM

If he’s smart, I have no reason to think he isn’t, then he’ll quickly get a handle on what the media/left are trying to do. If he’s not he won’t get elected.

Cindy Munford on May 23, 2010 at 4:30 PM

Finally. That was perfect. Thank you.

Norwegian: I think there are more folks out there like you (and I) than the Beltway Right dares to realize. :-)

fivefeetoffury on May 23, 2010 at 4:33 PM

Thank you Hot Air (at least someone here) for finally showing up in defense of the principles of small government, individual freedom, and property rights. Either there are way more professional liberal trolls here than I imagined or there are many people on this site who hate liberal government but aren’t really concerned with the leviathan if it is Republican.

King of the Britons on May 23, 2010 at 4:36 PM

this all benefits rand in the end

blatantblue on May 23, 2010 at 4:36 PM

Excellent article. Describes precisely the problem with Lindsay Graham’s reflexive response that it was settled by use of the interstate commerce clause and the problem many warned of in Raich banning home-grown pot for medical uses. As prophetically stated by Justice Thomas in his dissent:

Respondents Diane Monson and Angel Raich use marijuana that has never been bought or sold, that has never crossed state lines, and that has had no demonstrable effect on the national market for marijuana. If Congress can regulate this under the Commerce Clause, then it can regulate virtually anything–and the Federal Government is no longer one of limited and enumerated powers.

Firefly_76 on May 23, 2010 at 4:37 PM

Either there are way more professional liberal trolls here than I imagined or there are many people on this site who hate liberal government but aren’t really concerned with the leviathan if it is Republican.

King of the Britons on May 23, 2010 at 4:36 PM

pretty sure the readers/commenters here across the board don’t fit into your stereotype

blatantblue on May 23, 2010 at 4:40 PM

I don’t think Paul is a bigot or a tool of big business or any of that..but he has to realize how his remarks will play in the press. I mean come on, after Palin’s experience it is just naive to walk into stuff like this.

It is not about being reflexive, it is about picking your battles and being careful about how you frame your arguments. And Rand Paul did neither of those things.

Terrye on May 23, 2010 at 4:41 PM

I suspect he will win the November election by a wide margin.
Norwegian on May 23, 2010 at 4:26 PM

I agree. All the high dudgeon and horror at his words are coming from the elitist towers.

rrpjr on May 23, 2010 at 4:42 PM

If you notice, the experienced politicians often just ignore the question they were asked altogether, and instead transition to a question they wanted to answer that day, and were prepared to answer. And if they’re a Democrat, they get away with it. They do that rather than be trapped in the corner of “yes or no?” Some of them are so good at it, it’s almost like watching Picasso draw.

RBMN on May 23, 2010 at 4:43 PM

I don’t think Paul is a bigot or a tool of big business or any of that..but he has to realize how his remarks will play in the press. I mean come on, after Palin’s experience it is just naive to walk into stuff like this.

It is not about being reflexive, it is about picking your battles and being careful about how you frame your arguments. And Rand Paul did neither of those things.

Terrye on May 23, 2010 at 4:41 PM

++++

Exactly.

the_nile on May 23, 2010 at 4:45 PM

Nothing we do, nothing we are is protected from the federal government if we sit still for these elisions and ellipses in our observance of constitutional limits.

Correct, and I agree with Rand on this. But that doesn’t mean we can afford to be politically naive.

If he’s smart, I have no reason to think he isn’t, then he’ll quickly get a handle on what the media/left are trying to do.

Cindy Munford on May 23, 2010 at 4:30 PM

Obama-Reid-Pelosi are intending to racialize the coming election. No need to make it easy for them.

petefrt on May 23, 2010 at 4:46 PM

Blumenthal who?
 
Mission accomplished.

rogerb on May 23, 2010 at 4:47 PM

As 1/100 of the senate I would prefer it be Rand Paul to any democrat.

fourdeucer on May 23, 2010 at 4:48 PM

I agree. All the high dudgeon and horror at his words are coming from the elitist towers.

rrpjr on May 23, 2010 at 4:42 PM

Not just that class…look a bit more carefully at the venom-spewers on both sides.

…or were you not just meaning the ivory tower brand of elitists?

Dark-Star on May 23, 2010 at 4:50 PM

I’m not going to read anything J E Dyer has to say ever again. After the dangerous garbage he/she posted over the Lars Vilks film, this person does not deserve any platform here whatsoever.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on May 23, 2010 at 5:00 PM

Most of the first ten Amendments can be effectively abrogated – and the abrogation called due process of law – by the exercise of the “authority to regulate interstate commerce,” or by findings based on “privacy” and the Fourteenth Amendment, or by the exercise of eminent domain.

I would have liked to hear an example of the ICC or the “right to privacy” being used to abrogate another amendment.

crr6 on May 23, 2010 at 5:00 PM

A majority of readers on this blog seem to make it more about the “evil” media than Rand Paul himself. (Btw, Maddow gave more than enough opportunities for Paul to make his point.)

And hey also wonder why does not the Black man vote for conservatives…are they idiots? Yeah, right? Those White fellas getting into high-sounding constitutional debates on what for the Black man was the simplest and the basic requirement in the world: A life of dignity.

Maybe the appropriate question is this: What was wrong with those Southerners? Why were they such racist morons? Wrong genes?

rightistliberal on May 23, 2010 at 5:14 PM

We are a nation of cowards.

Aquateen Hungerforce on May 23, 2010 at 5:16 PM

I doubt that Mr. Paul was trying to get us to think at all. In fact, I think these are just words he has memorized over the years, words that do not reflect any serious thought, and certainly don’t reflect any historical understanding of why we have Article II of the Civil Rights Act. Cypress Point Country Club is private, but there is no sense in which the corner diner is “private,” the local bar, or the multiplex at the mall, even though all may be privately owned. (Is Ramada Worldwide “privately owned”? Are Ramada Inns private?) Mr. Dyer does conservatives a serious disservice by encouraging them to defend this sort of shallow thinking. This wasn’t a trap set by the left wing media (they aren’t that smart). This is an intellectual dead-end Mr. Paul set himself on, largely because of what seems to be an understanding so completely lacking in nuance, so wholly lacking in any deep understanding of why Title II is in the bill. Not to mention lacking an understanding of the fabric of a country that was at stake.

EastofEden on May 23, 2010 at 5:16 PM

Rand apparently doesn’t have the wits to avoid handing an opponent a handy club to beat him with.

The lumps are all his.

Always go for the positive in your enemy’s attempt at demonization, and then twist their phony dialogue your way.

It’s like fencing.

And not with posts.

profitsbeard on May 23, 2010 at 5:20 PM

This whole yada yada about Rand Paul is a Democrat distraction from Richard Blumenthal, Liar (see: http://hotair.com/archives/2010/05/23/can-we-get-back-to-talking-about-lying-politicians/).

Nothing more.

Lockstein13 on May 23, 2010 at 5:22 PM

Maybe the appropriate question is this: What was wrong with those Southerners? Why were they such racist morons? Wrong genes?

rightistliberal on May 23, 2010 at 5:14 PM

If you do not know the justifications for slavery/racism you should find out. There is plenty of literature on the subject. But it all comes down to, like liberalism, a false premise.

And hey also wonder why does not the Black man vote for conservatives…are they idiots? Yeah, right? Those White fellas getting into high-sounding constitutional debates on what for the Black man was the simplest and the basic requirement in the world: A life of dignity.

Hmmm. I agree it would be stupid for a black man (though why you use the masculine is strange to me, are black wmone less important than black men?) to vote for the “conservatives” of the day who supported Jim Crow. Are they any less stupid for voting for the “liberals” of today who have given them the legacy of failing schools, broken families, and cyclical poverty? I report, you decide.

A majority of readers on this blog seem to make it more about the “evil” media than Rand Paul himself.

I won’t speak for others here, but I don’t think the media is “evil.” I think they perpetuate a situation where certain topics are verboten. That’s what makes us a “nation of cowards.” We cannot speak on subjects without being pejoratively dismissed as racists. While the outcomes of the CRA were, in my and many minds, good, does it not pay to understand where the government derives it’s power to pass such an Act, or what other ways the government might decide to use such power? Does questioning this make one a de facto racist?

Aquateen Hungerforce on May 23, 2010 at 5:27 PM

I would have liked to hear an example of the ICC or the “right to privacy” being used to abrogate another amendment.

crr6 on May 23, 2010 at 5:00 PM

I’ll bite. Congress has repeatedly relied on the ICC (mostly with success) to undermine other rights in the BOR.

1. ICC used in Heart of Atlanta Motel – arguably violates First Amendment right of freedom of association.

2. ICC used as a rationale for legislation in the Lopez and Morrison cases (guns in school zones and violence against women). These laws would have violated the Tenth Amendment (local regulation of crime/local police powers) if not struck down.

3. Raich – which I mentioned above obviously violates the Tenth Amendment. California was well within its rights to allow use of medical marijuana and the SCOTUS decision relyin on the ICC when there was no interstate commerce was terrible.

4. Obamacare, as discussed here numerous times violates the Tenth and the right to privacy by allowing government more access to/regulation over individuals’ medical records and private medical decisions between them and their doctors.

5. Federal regulations on firearms are being challenged under Tenth Amendment where certain states produce and sell guns within (but not outside) state borders.

6. Some people may feel that the “right to privacy” used to justify abortion violates the Fifth Amendment right not to be deprived of life without due process of law.

Firefly_76 on May 23, 2010 at 5:28 PM

Oh yeah, and the new hate crimes legislation relies on the ICC I believe. This legislation arguably violates the First Amendment, the Tenth and possibly the equal protection of the Fourteenth.

Firefly_76 on May 23, 2010 at 5:31 PM

The funny thing is that in the 1960s, men like William F. Buckley, Jr., Barry Goldwater, and Ronald Reagan opposed the title of the Civil Rights Act that constituted federal overreach: that is, the assumption of federal authority to regulate local business practices. Goldwater ultimately voted against the Act precisely because of that one concern. All of these men – unlike, say, George Wallace – were relentless opponents of state-level racist policies. Few on the right today consider them to have been extremists.

This. God forbid any of the GOP RINO pearl clutchers mention that little fact.

Thanks for having brass ones, J.E. Dyer, unlike the unprincipled, uninspired GOP mopes in Washington, and here, there and everywhere.

Barry Goldwater explains his vote against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 – Firing Line (1966)

Rae on May 23, 2010 at 5:44 PM

If you do not know the justifications for slavery/racism you should find out. There is plenty of literature on the subject. But it all comes down to, like liberalism, a false premise.

I know them, sire. And that is why I asked: Were those morons?

Hmmm. I agree it would be stupid for a black man (though why you use the masculine is strange to me, are black wmone less important than black men?) to vote for the “conservatives” of the day who supported Jim Crow. Are they any less stupid for voting for the “liberals” of today who have given them the legacy of failing schools, broken families, and cyclical poverty? I report, you decide

.

Using Black men was of course a rhetorical tool. Of course, Black women were/are no less important.

I would agree entirely with your proposition that Black people need to move out of the liberal plantation which essentially patronizes them or stokes racist fears ala the likes of Frank Rich.

But when modern day conservatives defend someone like Rand Paul—and note, I am not saying Paul or a majority of his defenders are racists—then it betrays a striking lack of understanding and empathy. The size of the government, and its overreach are all valid topics of debate, but surely, it would be hard to argue that federal government intervening to end a system which of discrimination based solely on skin color was not a “good” exercise in power. Once again, if I am the Black man getting beaten up just for entering a White only establishment then I want to be rescued. Period. And I don’t care for seemingly intellectual arguments which argue otherwise. Because I suspect those citing such arguments, if faced with similar situation, would demand to be helped. All other things be damned.

That is why even someone like William Buckley Jr. later acknowledged the need for federal intervention. He admitted plain and simple he was wrong.

We cannot speak on subjects without being pejoratively dismissed as racists. While the outcomes of the CRA were, in my and many minds, good, does it not pay to understand where the government derives it’s power to pass such an Act, or what other ways the government might decide to use such power?

As an intellectual exercise, yes. But it has to be understood that this debate invokes a lot of passion in people—especially among those who suffered. It did not happen 300 years back but if part of modern of American history so much so that someone like Robert Byrd is still part of the senate.

Even so far as much as the larger debate is concerned: If someone argues that CRA is not required right now, I would agree. Because the proportion of racists in our society has decreased to the extent, that any business visibly discriminating would not be able to survive. But that was hardly the case in Jim Crow South where any business trying to be fair to Black would have face loss of patronage at best, and violence at worst.

rightistliberal on May 23, 2010 at 5:44 PM

What would constitute a fair response to Paul’s defense of the right to refuse service to black people (let’s call it what it is)? The quotes of the day from the other night all seemed like well-reasoned, substantive responses to his argument, for example.

Who’s being doctrinaire here? If the comments on this blog are representative, Paul isn’t exactly rocking the conservative boat with his statements.

RightOFLeft on May 23, 2010 at 5:45 PM

Swell. Rand’s right. In a perfect world he could engage the electorate in philosophical discussions about the nature of man’s relationship to government and not get made out to be a loon.

Instead, these newspaper stories and editorials greeted the citizens of Kentucky this beautiful Sunday morning:

Lexington Herald- Leader 1

Lexington Herald Leader 2

Here’s the opening to that editorial.

It hurt a bit — listening to Republican Senate candidate Rand Paul say he sees nothing wrong with private business owners deciding who can enter their establishments even if those decisions are based on race, physical disabilities, sexual orientation, or any characteristic that marks a person as a minority.

For a moment Wednesday evening while watching the Rachel Maddow Show, I was transported to a time decades ago when similar words were rolling from the lips of noted segregationists Lester Maddox in Georgia and George Wallace in Alabama.

Back then, those men proudly proclaimed their beliefs that states’ rights superseded federal laws when it came to equality for African-Americans.

Now the author of that piece, Merlene Davis, is a typical black racist herself and her editorial commentaries are nothing but typical grievance mongering and black power pap. She was never going to be a Rand Paul voter and would have written much the same column at some point in the campaign regardless. He didn’t have to make it easy for her.

Here’s the H-L’s main editorial this morning as well:

Lexington Herald- Leader 3

One of the most absurd examples of political theory trumping common sense occurred last week. In an interview with MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow, Rand Paul, fresh from winning Kentucky’s Republican primary for the U.S. Senate, indicated he thought the 1964 Civil Rights Act was an example of government over-reaching.

Echoing comments he made last month to the Courier-Journal editorial board, Paul suggested restaurants, for example, shouldn’t be required by law to serve black or gay people if they didn’t want to. Only later, amid outrage even from within his own party, did Paul finally take a stand in favor of a half-century of settled civil rights law.

Of course the Herald- Leader’s editorial board was never going to endorse Rand Paul. Fine, but quit defending the guy. He let his stupid “libertardian” ideological purity out and now we’re three or more 24 hour media cycles into hearing about how the face of the Tea Party is the heir apparent to the legacy of George Wallace. I sincerely hope that he has been taken to the woodshed by Mitch McConnell and the rest of the GOP leadership and keeps his fool mouth shut until November.

His Dem opponent is a typical party hack and doesn’t deserve to win. If Conway becomes our next Senator, it won’t be because he’s a good candidate and “won” the election. It will be because Paul screwed up and “lost.”

Dukeboy01 on May 23, 2010 at 5:46 PM

Can there possibly be any more proof of how the LSM is in the hip-pocket of the Democrats? First of all, to be fair, NBC was the first to tackle this little tidbit and their liberal hit-wing did it first, followed by the, supposedly legitimate, Today show. I can guarantee that this will be the lead question until NOvember for Rand Paul, as long as he’s willing to grant the sycophant press interviews. His best shot is to use the Obama strategy, avoid the press at all costs. Hell, Obama has them in his pocket and he’s afraid of what they’ll ask. Paul, on the other hand, is considered the enemy by them, so he really has to be careful.

I still have hope that, sometime before Obama’s term has ended, our free press will show up once again. The problem is, my hope is fading fast. These guys are sooooooooooooo in the tank.

bflat879 on May 23, 2010 at 5:55 PM

Thanks to Norwegian and J.E.Dyer
I feel the same way, anybody that says what they think is instantly labeled by the left and Lamestream Media, Stupid,Racist,Nazi,etc. because they have no reasonable answer(kind of like children, so they resort to name calling).
I don’t agree with all of Rands thinking but believe in his right to have them.
He tells the truth and that to me is all I need,I can make up my own mind.
The frenzied left wing media will hang around drooling waiting for another bone or dig up their own.

I find his candor refreshing.

concernedsenior on May 23, 2010 at 6:06 PM

EastofEden on May 23, 2010 at 5:16 PM

Boy, I have seen some idiotic postings here, but this wall of text just about takes the cake.

Cypress Point Country Club is private, but there is no sense in which the corner diner is “private,” the local bar, or the multiplex at the mall, even though all may be privately owned.

I would think that someone so fond of accusing another of lack of intellectual depth would be able to make the connection between “private property”, and “private”. Yes, the corner diner is private, because it is, in fact, private property. to consider it anything other than that would be like saying “Well, your house is on a public street. It is therefore a public accommodation. Let me in.”

And the multiplex at the mall is in fact doubly private, as it is private property that is located on another patch of private property. So even if the movie theater owner wanted you in, if the mall wanted to keep you off of their property, then you are out of luck.

You really don’t think things through before you hit the Submit button, do you?

JohnGalt23 on May 23, 2010 at 6:21 PM

Dukeboy01 on May 23, 2010 at 5:46 PM

Of course the Herald- Leader’s editorial board was never going to endorse Rand Paul. Fine, but quit defending the guy. He let his stupid “libertardian” ideological purity out and now we’re three or more 24 hour media cycles into hearing about how the face of the Tea Party is the heir apparent to the legacy of George Wallace

Jesus Christ, will you grow up?!?!

Ooooohh, three news cycles where a bunch of liberal bigots are calling us names. I guess we should all wet ourselves like Dukeboy?

The Tea Party isn’t the heir apparent to George Wallace… it is the heir apparent to Barry Goldwater, who BTW also voted against the CRA for exactly the same reasons that Rand Paul outlined.

The Tea Party is calling for a revolution in American politics, a fight against 75 years of the unjustified expansion of the federal government. Did you really think we could do so without some bloody rhetorical battles? If so, it’s pretty clear just who was being naive.

You’ve only seen the beginning. Being afraid to take on the sacred cows is what has led us to this sorry place and time. It is what gave us “conservatives” like Nixon, Bush, McConnell, and McCain. The Goldwater’s, Reagan’s and Buckley’s weren’t afraid of bloodying their leftist opponents, and getting bloodied themselves in the process.

So, man up, or get the hell out of the way.

JohnGalt23 on May 23, 2010 at 6:34 PM

If only my English Muffins would toast themselves.

Something Rand needs to memorize.

profitsbeard on May 23, 2010 at 6:35 PM

JohnGalt23 on May 23, 2010 at 6:21 PM

+10

You beat me to it.

King of the Britons on May 23, 2010 at 6:44 PM

before the Civil Rights Act, a majority of Blacks voted for REpublicans, now its almost entirely 100% Democrat in how they vote. Why? Because the Dems have done a good job of framing the GOP a white man’s and racist party.

Rand, ‘acting stupidly’ as Obama would say, set himself on course for the Left to write: “Rand Paul thinks its okay to discriminate against Blacks”

That narrative sticks, and is in a long line of sticking the Racist, non-minority political Party on all of us.

Political Conservatism, or “Political LIbertarianism”, is as much a part of actually advancing ideas as reciting Edmund Burke is. You’ve got to think in street smart ways, Rand has shown to be lacking here. For the Dems this is all just more: “See Minority voters, we are your friend and the REpublicans want to send you to the back of the bus”

This is also the biggest, probably only reason the Immigration issue is such a hot button and what the Dems are currently saying about Az. If they can get hispanics to vote more like Black voters, then the GOP ceases to win anymore national elections.

jp on May 23, 2010 at 6:45 PM

Great piece Dyer, thanks for sharing.

TallDave on May 23, 2010 at 6:47 PM

The Left has now declared war on Libertarians by calling them racists (not to mention all Kentuckians).

The GOP is the Big Tent.

faraway on May 23, 2010 at 6:49 PM

I don’t think Paul is a bigot

Terrye on May 23, 2010 at 4:41 PM

Rand Paul may not be a bigot but his father is.

Personally, I think the apple doesn’t fall very far from the tree in this instance.

Like Father, Like son.

Conservative Samizdat on May 23, 2010 at 7:03 PM

Trolls, trolls, trolls!

King of the Britons on May 23, 2010 at 7:14 PM

It’s obvious that calling people bigots is as reflexive as sneezing when pepper get in a liberal’s nose. It’s the slur for every season.

The only real bigots left in the country are liberal bigots, and they are as bigoted as any people in history.

I opt out of their game.

notagool on May 23, 2010 at 7:14 PM

The obvious thing is that anyone or anything that the race-obsessed liberals can tag, they will. And, the media is on their side.

So, they don’t have a problem with lynching at all. Not, as long as a liberal is doing the lynching.

Moesart on May 23, 2010 at 7:18 PM

A majority of readers on this blog seem to make it more about the “evil” media than Rand Paul himself. (Btw, Maddow gave more than enough opportunities for Paul to make his point.)

Exactly.

The man was completely incapable of explaining his core beliefs. Or even worse, he was afraid to explain them because he realized how wacky they sound outside the teabagger echo chamber. So he dodged, danced and evaded. No wonder he was “too exhausted” to appear on MTP (where he was lightly mocked for his “pragmatism” in not showing up!)

And now the Quitter herself is (predictably) defending him!
Well, Paul and Palin do have one thing in common. Neither has appeared on MTP!

chumpThreads on May 23, 2010 at 7:38 PM

Very well stated, J.E. Dyer… both the defense of Rand and the meta narrative of federal overreach and a thinking man’s approach to opposing it rather than reflexively succumbing.

AnonymousDrivel on May 23, 2010 at 8:28 PM

Were those morons?
rightistliberal on May 23, 2010 at 5:44 PM

Why, yes.

it would be hard to argue that federal government intervening to end a system which of discrimination based solely on skin color was not a “good” exercise in power. Once again, if I am the Black man getting beaten up just for entering a White only establishment then I want to be rescued.

You are conflating two issues. Even in libertarian thought, a black man being beaten up for entering a whites only establishment is unlawful and wrong. As for the federal government ending a system of state laws based on racial discrimination, I do not believe that is in dispute. While straight up racists may have used a “states’ rights” argument for Jim Crow, they were wrong to do so, both morally and constitutionally. The rub is when you say a private property owner may not discriminate against potential patrons on any basis what-so-ever. While this is a stance I agree with, the question remains, can/should the federal government makes laws addressing this issue.

And I don’t care for seemingly intellectual arguments which argue otherwise. Because I suspect those citing such arguments, if faced with similar situation, would demand to be helped. All other things be damned.

I’ll just say again that I don’t see anyone arguing that anybody should be beat up.

As an intellectual exercise, yes. But it has to be understood that this debate invokes a lot of passion in people—especially among those who suffered.

So, the more passionate the response the less we are able to discuss a subject? Not to be rude, but Muslims seem to get pretty upset when others talk about Big Mo’s child-wife or draw pictures of him. Should we refrain from doing so as to not upset their sensibilities?

But that was hardly the case in Jim Crow South where any business trying to be fair to Black would have face loss of patronage at best, and violence at worst.

It varied a little state by state, but if any business in Jim Crow South tried to be fair to black people, they would have been in violation of the law, not simply subject to the condemnation of the local racists.

Finally, I would just point out that your view, that we not even discuss the CRA, how it effects private property rights, or the implications for the very definition of private property, because it brings out the passion in people is exactly what is wrong here. Paul had something to say based on his beliefs. He has been told by right-wingers and left-wingers to stfu and stfd. And thus we remain a nation of cowards.

Aquateen Hungerforce on May 23, 2010 at 8:29 PM

Paul had something to say based on his beliefs. He has been told by right-wingers and left-wingers to stfu and stfd.

Aquateen Hungerforce on May 23, 2010 at 8:29 PM

Complete and utter nonsense. I heard him on NPR and I saw him on Maddow. He was given every opportunity to say whatever he wanted to say “based on his beliefs” and he declined to do so. The left certainly hasn’t told him to shut up. Nothing would please the left more than for Paul to keep explaining himself.

I think Hank Hill summed it up best: “Everytime I think you’ve said the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard, you keep talking!”
This will be the story of Paul until November when, I now believe, he will lose the senate race.

chumpThreads on May 23, 2010 at 9:00 PM

chumpThreads on May 23, 2010 at 7:38 PM

When you use the word you use to describe people who participate in democracy, do you think;
1. I’ll win the argument, based on an inflamatory word.
2. This will endear me to the posters here.
3. I’m frightfully clever.

If it’s any of these, you’re wrong; all it tells us is that you have limited capacity to debate without demagogery, and without third grade-level name calling.

massrighty on May 23, 2010 at 10:14 PM

Only if you think Americans are morons do you insist that they can’t handle the making of logical arguments and reasonable distinctions.

Looking at the Professional Governing Class, all of them legends in their own minds, the best response is probably “heh.”

Blacksmith on May 23, 2010 at 11:17 PM

The funny thing is that in the 1960s, men like William F. Buckley, Jr., Barry Goldwater, and Ronald Reagan opposed the title of the Civil Rights Act that constituted federal overreach…Goldwater ultimately voted against the Act precisely because of that one concern. All of these men – unlike, say, George Wallace – were relentless opponents of state-level racist policies.

Yes, but, so what?

Ultimately, what real difference is there between allowing discrimination and promoting discrimination? That is, Goldwater allowed discrimination to avoid, in his view, violating the the principle of States Rights, whereas George Wallace used the principle of States Rights to promote discrimination.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.— That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed…

In other words, there are natural laws (like civil rights) that predate and take precedence over artificial laws (like “enumerated powers”). You might even say that only those artificial laws that support and promote natural law have any validity, regardless of how ‘Constitutional’ the artificial laws are deemed to be. (American) Libertarians tend to disagree with this, so I tend to disagree with them.

Knott Buyinit on May 24, 2010 at 1:36 AM

The only real bigots left in the country are liberal bigots, and they are as bigoted as any people in history.

The only bigots ever acknowledged by conservatives are liberals. The only bigots acknowledged by libs are Republicans or conservatives.

Here’s an interesting exercise: Name one racist senator or congressperson that served in the past 30 years. Are there any?

The Race Card on May 24, 2010 at 5:09 AM

We are a nation of cowards.

Aquateen Hungerforce on May 23, 2010 at 5:16 PM

No, we are not. People are not cowards just because they disagree with a libertarian. I know libertarians who think we should legalize drugs…oh yeah. Look how that worked in Mexico. The libertarian will look at the esoteric and philosophical aspects of the constitutional question, meanwhile the rest of us deal with reality.

When it comes to right of privacy, things get complicated by reality once again. What about abortion? What about same sex marriage? What about polygamy? What about operating a hog farm in a residential district? Oh yeah, then comes zoning. Well, are zoning laws constitutional?

That is the problem with someone like Rand Paul, while he talks about getting rid of the Patriot Act, he does not deal with how exactly you track terrorists without it. And that is just for starters. People are not cowards for wondering about that sort of thing.

Paul’s greatest advantage is the Democrats, their over reach and expansive spending has made it possible for someone like Rand Paul to get a chance to run. I just hope he does not blow it, because we need Rs up there to take power away from Ds..otherwise we are all screwed.

Terrye on May 24, 2010 at 6:42 AM

The Tea Party is calling for a revolution in American politics, a fight against 75 years of the unjustified expansion of the federal government. Did you really think we could do so without some bloody rhetorical battles? If so, it’s pretty clear just who was being naive.

You’ve only seen the beginning. Being afraid to take on the sacred cows is what has led us to this sorry place and time. It is what gave us “conservatives” like Nixon, Bush, McConnell, and McCain. The Goldwater’s, Reagan’s and Buckley’s weren’t afraid of bloodying their leftist opponents, and getting bloodied themselves in the process.

So, man up, or get the hell out of the way.

JohnGalt23 on May 23, 2010 at 6:34 PM

Very well said (except for confusing plurals and possessives). This is the discussion—and the argument—we must have, if we are to reverse the seemingly inexorable, smothering spread of the federal government over all our lives.

It would help to frame issues like the private accommodations title of the Civil Rights Act more carefully. Mr. Paul is right that it represented overreach past Constitutional enumerated powers. Arguably the right way to have accomplished its laudable end would have been by Constitutional Amendment.

Would Mr. Paul have supported an Amendment that said something like, “Notwithstanding the Tenth Amendment, no private enterprise or entity in any state, doing business with the public at large, and not restricted to bona fide members determined by a due process of registration, shall discriminate against any member of the public on the basis of race, sex, religion, or national origin. . .”?

It’s an academic question, of course, but relevant nonetheless to the debate that JG23 and many of us think we should have, regarding the future of the Republic.

MrLynn on May 24, 2010 at 8:51 AM

The discussion on Hot Air has changed. Mainstream “moderation,” once merely encouraged by Allahpundit, is now being rammed down our throats.

I can get race-baiting arguments anywhere.

Venusian Visitor on May 24, 2010 at 11:39 AM

Rand Paul is 100% correct. For that he MUST be excoriated by the left lest they be forced to admit how wrong they are.

{^_^}

herself on May 24, 2010 at 1:03 PM

Here’s an interesting exercise: Name one racist senator or congressperson that served in the past 30 years. Are there any?

The Race Card on May 24, 2010 at 5:09 AM

Ron Paul.

Conservative Samizdat on May 24, 2010 at 2:06 PM