Jim DeMint: I’m going to talk to Rand Paul about his positions

posted at 4:16 pm on May 20, 2010 by Allahpundit

Heh. Think Progress cornered him this morning about Paul’s take on the Civil Rights Act and, unlike RP, the old pro had the savvy to give the politically safe answer. Follow the link for video. As for what he and Paul will be chatting about, two words: Message discipline.

Two clips below for your edification, one the much buzzed about exchange last night between Paul and Rachel Maddow (Dave Weigel has the full transcript) and the other his walkback this morning on Laura Ingraham’s show, in which he served up some red meat about the “loony left” and gave the time-for-this-to-go-away answer that, yes indeed, he supports the Civil Rights Act. What this means to his libertarian fan club, I don’t know. Presumably it’ll be shrugged off, either on grounds that he secretly opposes the law but has to make certain concessions to get elected (see, e.g., Obama and gay marriage) or that it’s a non-issue compared to cutting spending, rolling back ObamaCare, ending the Fed, screaming against about the gold standard, etc. I’m actually surprised that he backed off, as the whole Paul phenomenon is based on the idea of principled, uncompromising libertarianism. He’s out there — or at least, I think a lot of his supporters want him to be out there — not just to win an election but to do so with a full-throated, unapologetic defense of laissez faire, warts and all. If his base preferred a safe pol who’d say what he had to say to win, they would have gone for Grayson; instead they took a chance on the purist, and now they’re either about to ride the roller coaster for six months or watch Paul water down his message in hopes of making it more digestible to centrists. If he does end up imploding because of his views, perhaps there’s a lesson there about how politically viable strong-form libertarianism is, even in this anti-Democratic tea-party climate.

In the meantime, he’ll have to contend with a question posed by Bruce Bartlett (via Weigel): If libertarian solutions are the best way to end discrimination, why didn’t things start improving for blacks until the feds got involved in earnest in the 1950s? Presumably the answer will be “it wasn’t the feds, it was MLK’s civil rights movement that turned the tide,” but it’s hard to separate those two: Civil rights leaders leveraged federal power in various ways to protect minority rights. I think the real answer is that Paul isn’t claiming that libertarianism is the “best” way to end discrimination, he’s claiming (or was claiming) that it’s the only constitutional way. If that means leaving businesses alone who refuse service to blacks, well, that sucks, but that’s property rights for you. That’s the bind Paul’s in now, either gritting his teeth and saying, “yes, under our rule of law, we have to be willing to endure some racism” — which seems to be his position — or claiming that we could have achieved the same level of equality we’ve achieved now purely through boycotts and pickets and other non-state means. I’d like to believe that we could have, but I think a Kentucky voter quoted by the Times (in a different context) said it best: “He says things, and I wish they could be that way, but I know they’re not.”

Speaking of strong-form libertarianism, Ann Althouse is calling me out for misrepresenting Paul’s views in my post yesterday. I didn’t mean to, but she’s right that I should have been clearer. Althouse’s point is that Paul opposes any government interference in how someone runs their business, which would be strong form laissez faire; I assumed, because he danced around NPR’s questions and because this was obviously about to become a major headache for him, that he was taking the more palatable, weaker form position that it’s more acceptable for state and local agencies to act against discrimination but that the feds should stay out. (As it turned out, he now says having the feds interfere is fine.) That’s why I brought federalism into it, and that’s why I thought the Fourteenth Amendment would eventually end up in the discussion. If Paul doesn’t want the feds meddling in private businesses to protect minority rights, does he at least support letting them meddle with state governments that refuse to do so? I think he’s answered that question by implication today, but like I say, I should have been clearer.

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Refuse to play the games that the elite liberal media want you to play…Don’t believe them and don’t play their stupid games.

d1carter on May 20, 2010 at 4:20 PM

I <3 Jim.

We're cousins.

We don't kiss, though, in spite of being from South Cackalacky!

;)

seejanemom on May 20, 2010 at 4:21 PM

I think DeMint’s gonna pull Rand aside and tell him he’s got a 25-point lead in the polls. That means stick to the key issues like deficits, taxes, and national security and shut the hell up about the Civil Rights Act. If he does that, he’ll be a shoo-in come November.

Doughboy on May 20, 2010 at 4:21 PM

I didn’t have a problem with understanding AP yesterday. I think Ann must have a problem with reading comprehension.

HondaV65 on May 20, 2010 at 4:21 PM

Maybe he should just avoid Maddow, NPR, etc. altogether. I think he can scrape together 51% of the Kentucky electorate without winning any moonbats over.

BuzzCrutcher on May 20, 2010 at 4:22 PM

Coincidentally, Senator, Rand Paul wants to talk to you about your positions.

misterpeasea on May 20, 2010 at 4:22 PM

WHY ARE WE EVEN DISCUSSING THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964 ON A CONSERVATIVE BLOG???????????????

Way to play right into the Left’s hands, Allah.

How about we just drop this and stop taking the bait?

rockmom on May 20, 2010 at 4:23 PM

Well, sporty, this is what you get for not endorsing someone equally conservative just because they’ve actually served their state before.

It's Vintage, Duh on May 20, 2010 at 4:23 PM

I like De Mint.He probably could counsel this “youngster” about what not to talk about. Stick to the issues.

sandee on May 20, 2010 at 4:23 PM

You gotta love a man named after a strong woman.

seejanemom on May 20, 2010 at 4:23 PM

He just needs to say: “Don’t get wacko like your dad”

search4truth on May 20, 2010 at 4:24 PM

As for what he and Paul will be chatting about, two words: Message discipline.

“look rand, you ain’t been elected to jack, you’re 25 points ahead, and you’ve just parachuted into a minefield. The more you walk, the more you talk, the more landmines you tripoff and the more you’ll lose.”

go jim. help the boy out.

ted c on May 20, 2010 at 4:25 PM

I think the real answer is that Paul isn’t claiming that libertarianism is the “best” way to end discrimination, he’s claiming (or was claiming) that it’s the only constitutional way.

Pretty much. Or we could have amended the Constitution. What we absolutely shouldn’t have done is pass something unconstitutional and pretend it was. In this or any other area. No matter how noble and just the ends were.

misterpeasea on May 20, 2010 at 4:25 PM

Coincidentally, Senator, Rand Paul wants to talk to you about your positions.

misterpeasea on May 20, 2010 at 4:22 PM

As long as it isn’t Sweeeet Windsey Graham asking about “positions” , he should be safe in the cloak room.

seejanemom on May 20, 2010 at 4:25 PM

Ann can piss off unless she wants me to be drawin’ up pictures of her getting teabagged by a humpbot with Mohammed standing idly by ogling the new Miss USA poster.

ted c on May 20, 2010 at 4:26 PM

Maybe he should just avoid Maddow, NPR, etc. altogether. I think he can scrape together 51% of the Kentucky electorate without winning any moonbats over.

BuzzCrutcher on May 20, 2010 at 4:22 PM

I liked the civil discussions he had with Madcow and NPR. The problem is we have a corrupt left-wing media that loves to take things out of context and blow them up into controversies. Especially when it comes to race. And it’s gotten so bad lately that often times they don’t even bother waiting for an actual remark or act before tagging someone with the racist label.

What Paul needs to do next time though is send his satellite feed from another location. What the hell was with the brick wall behind him when he was on Madcow and O’Reilly?! Dude looked like he was incarcerated.

Doughboy on May 20, 2010 at 4:27 PM

Ann can piss off unless she wants me to be drawin’ up pictures of her getting teabagged by a humpbot with Mohammed standing idly by ogling the new Miss USA poster.

ted c on May 20, 2010 at 4:26 PM

Thanks.

I just pi$$ed myself.

seejanemom on May 20, 2010 at 4:27 PM

You gotta love a man named after a strong woman

Ayn Rand took her last name from her typewriter, a Remington Rand.

Emperor Norton on May 20, 2010 at 4:30 PM

Althouse’s column today was meaningless.

He likens private property rights to free speech rights. If you care about free speech rights, you defend even the people who say horrible things — Nazis, the KKK, etc. That’s standard constitutional law doctrine. In Rand’s view — and in the view of many libertarians — property rights work the same way. So you could have this horrible racist restauranteur who excluded black people, and the government would have to leave him alone, just as the government couldn’t do anything about it if a white person had a dinner party at his house and only invited his white friends.

…AND?

What’s wrong with that? She never explains that. She kind of sits there, implying by omission the notion that anyone who supports that mindset is a racist, rather than someone who doesn’t want the government telling business owners who to do business with.

MadisonConservative on May 20, 2010 at 4:32 PM

I liked the civil discussions he had with Madcow and NPR. The problem is we have a corrupt left-wing media that loves to take things out of context and blow them up into controversies. Especially when it comes to race. And it’s gotten so bad lately that often times they don’t even bother waiting for an actual remark or act before tagging someone with the racist label.

What Paul needs to do next time though is send his satellite feed from another location. What the hell was with the brick wall behind him when he was on Madcow and O’Reilly?! Dude looked like he was incarcerated.

Doughboy on May 20, 2010 at 4:27 PM

The problem is he’s naively expecting them to act in good faith. They don’t give a damn what his positions are, they are just looking for a club to beat people over the head with. Even if they can’t stop him from winning, they’ll try to make Republicans in other races squirm. (of course, democrat A can say the craziest thing on earth and democrats B, C and D never get asked about it, but that’s the way it is)

BuzzCrutcher on May 20, 2010 at 4:33 PM

Rand Paul makes me embarrassed to be a Republican.

terryannonline on May 20, 2010 at 4:33 PM

Emperor Norton on May 20, 2010 at 4:30 PM

I don’t care if she got it off the side of a washer/ dryer combo.

She had it first.

Don’t be an a$$.

seejanemom on May 20, 2010 at 4:35 PM

I know perfectly well what Rand Paul said. I don’t need intellectuals trying to tell me how to interpret it.

Vince on May 20, 2010 at 4:36 PM

Rand Paul makes me embarrassed to be a Republican.

terryannonline on May 20, 2010 at 4:33 PM

Then you are probably a closeted Democrat.

We’ll pray for ya………

seejanemom on May 20, 2010 at 4:36 PM

I wonder about the message discipline on the Patriot Act myself. That is more important today than the Civil Rights Act.

Terrye on May 20, 2010 at 4:36 PM

Rand Paul makes me embarrassed to be a Republican.

terryannonline on May 20, 2010 at 4:33 PM

Being a member is not a blood oath you know.

You can leave any time.

portlandon on May 20, 2010 at 4:37 PM

Wonder what DeMint thinks about Pauls Political Ally, Adam Kokesh and the whole Military bashing thing of his?

jp on May 20, 2010 at 4:37 PM

I just want to caution everyone before we get in too deep defending this guy: sooner or later, he is going to embarrass us. Sure he’s saying thing we like now, but sooner or later, he’s going to say something off about teh Joos or Israel or about the military industrial complex.

I just don’t want to give Charles Johnson his ‘Nelson Muntz’ moment.

stefanite on May 20, 2010 at 4:39 PM

jp on May 20, 2010 at 4:37 PM

That is a legit beef.

I have the Libertarian fence post straight up my own a$$, and I’m not ashamed to admit it.

Seeing as the Hunky Hub is a Marine Officer and all… it presents a conflict, for sure.

seejanemom on May 20, 2010 at 4:41 PM

Refuse to play the games that the elite liberal media want you to play…Don’t believe them and don’t play their stupid games.

d1carter on May 20, 2010 at 4:20 PM

Exactly. But the problem arises from the astounding, unending ignorance among conservatives/libertarians about the Left and what it will pull. It just never ceases to amaze me how deaf, dumb and blind the Right is over the Left. It’s almost like a genetic defect. It’s beyond exasperating. That Paul could go into any interview with liberals unaware of the baits and traps they’ll spring on him is hard to believe. But yet it happens again and again. The thing to do is not only be aware, but call them on it.

rrpjr on May 20, 2010 at 4:41 PM

The problem is he’s naively expecting them to act in good faith. They don’t give a damn what his positions are, they are just looking for a club to beat people over the head with. Even if they can’t stop him from winning, they’ll try to make Republicans in other races squirm. (of course, democrat A can say the craziest thing on earth and democrats B, C and D never get asked about it, but that’s the way it is)

BuzzCrutcher on May 20, 2010 at 4:33 PM

That’s the whole problem , theres no room for a complex philosophic discussion when you’re up against the enemy looking for a gotcha meme.
It’s a case of bad media naivety by Rand.

the_nile on May 20, 2010 at 4:42 PM

stefanite on May 20, 2010 at 4:39 PM

+1

seejanemom on May 20, 2010 at 4:42 PM

The problem is he’s naively expecting them to act in good faith. They don’t give a damn what his positions are, they are just looking for a club to beat people over the head with. Even if they can’t stop him from winning, they’ll try to make Republicans in other races squirm. (of course, democrat A can say the craziest thing on earth and democrats B, C and D never get asked about it, but that’s the way it is)

BuzzCrutcher on May 20, 2010 at 4:33 PM

and he beleives 9/11 happened because we have troops over there, thus made the Jihadist do it, not their ideology/theology. Which would mean, no troops and no 9/11. Just a bunch of free trading allies over there who are good at heart.

Wonder if Rand thinks the Lefts Attacking him now, because he made them do it as opposed to their Liberal Ideology and will to power???

jp on May 20, 2010 at 4:43 PM

Who goes to LGF anymore, anyway?

Or at least—who will ADMIT to going?

seejanemom on May 20, 2010 at 4:43 PM

I just want to caution everyone before we get in too deep defending this guy: sooner or later, he is going to embarrass us. Sure he’s saying thing we like now, but sooner or later, he’s going to say something off about teh Joos or Israel stefanite on May 20, 2010 at 4:39 PM

Why do you say that? I mean how do you know this will happen?

Vince on May 20, 2010 at 4:44 PM

I wonder about the message discipline on the Patriot Act myself. That is more important today than the Civil Rights Act.

Terrye on May 20, 2010 at 4:36 PM

Rand Paul opposes the Patriot Act

jp on May 20, 2010 at 4:45 PM

So MadCow is gonna go after
Pauls positions,like elevators!

canopfor on May 20, 2010 at 4:45 PM

he beleives 9/11 happened because we have troops over there, thus made the Jihadist do it, not their ideology/theology
jp on May 20, 2010 at 4:43 PM

That really is the deal breaker for me. I don’t see how other people can get past this.

stefanite on May 20, 2010 at 4:45 PM

Why do you say that? I mean how do you know this will happen?

Vince on May 20, 2010 at 4:44 PM

Unless the MSM/Dems pull off the dogs, its going to happen. I know the Lew Rockwell clique pretty good and who they really are, what they really beleive and how it relates Politically vs. the Left. Its not pretty. This is just the beginning, he’s smarter than his father but we should be careful to make him labeled a “Libertarian” and not a Conservative and ideally not part of the Tea Party movement the Paul’s have been trying to co-opt.

IF, the MSM/Dems pull off the Attack dogs on Paul then its a 2012 play and they want Ron Paul to be powerful and cause us problems.

jp on May 20, 2010 at 4:47 PM

he beleives 9/11 happened because we have troops over there, thus made the Jihadist do it, not their ideology/theology
jp on May 20, 2010 at 4:43 PM

Links please! I’m serious. I don’t know too much about Rand Paul and don’t know a thing about you so, links please!

Vince on May 20, 2010 at 4:48 PM

In the meantime, he’ll have to contend with a question posed by Bruce Bartlett

Don’t link to Bruce Bartlett…

ninjapirate on May 20, 2010 at 4:48 PM

That really is the deal breaker for me. I don’t see how other people can get past this.

stefanite on May 20, 2010 at 4:45 PM

Yeah, you are right…but again, what is your alternative? REEEEEEALLY? I mean on the more fiscal issues….

seejanemom on May 20, 2010 at 4:49 PM

What I would love to know,is how and the sam h*ll
did the narrative get to racism,and yes,I was on last
nights thread accusation of Country Club racism mine
field!!

canopfor on May 20, 2010 at 4:49 PM

That really is the deal breaker for me. I don’t see how other people can get past this.

stefanite on May 20, 2010 at 4:45 PM

ignoring it, pretending it isn’t there all to pour salt in McConnel and the “Establishments” eye. I’m not sure they fully realize what they have actually done, which is to create a “Ron Paul Political Dynasty”, and greatly Embolden the Paulbots. Atleast for now, if Rand gets beat it would also completely deflate them.

I feel sorry for the people who live in Ky. for what they are about to live through. Paulbots and the Left duking it out

jp on May 20, 2010 at 4:50 PM

What’s wrong with that? She never explains that.

MadisonConservative on May 20, 2010 at 4:32 PM

Yeah, I thought it was weird. She gives the argument that refutes her objections, but doesn’t seem to notice that.

exception on May 20, 2010 at 4:51 PM

Links please! I’m serious. I don’t know too much about Rand Paul and don’t know a thing about you so, links please!

Vince on May 20, 2010 at 4:48 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GePLMLOj6Kg&feature=player_embedded#

Rand explains “Blowback”, explains they ‘are attacking us because we are in their country’

jp on May 20, 2010 at 4:53 PM

In the meantime, he’ll have to contend with a question posed by Bruce Bartlett (via Weigel): If libertarian solutions are the best way to end discrimination, why didn’t things start improving for blacks until the feds got involved in earnest in the 1950s?

They were starting to get a bit better in some areas — the Harlem Renaissance of the 1920s, Henry Ford hiring lots of blacks, but the reason it didn’t take off is that there was a lot of state discrimination — the Jim Crow laws. And that cannot be defended on libertarian grounds. If a local diner wants to serve blacks only, that may be one thing (though still very wrong IMO). If a city government has a whites only pool, that is entirely different.

I suppose if you have a McDonalds that operates nationwide, then via the commerce clause it is permissible to regulate.

And there would be nothing wrong with, say, the NYSE having a rule “no discrimination if you want to be listed here.”

rbj on May 20, 2010 at 4:53 PM

I hate to sound obtuse,but,aren’t the Liberals the ones
that are still practising “Institutional Racism”,if it
exists at all!

canopfor on May 20, 2010 at 4:58 PM

jp on May 20, 2010 at 4:53 PM

Thank you for the link. Troubling, indeed.

Vince on May 20, 2010 at 4:59 PM

The Civil Rights Act is blatantly unconstitutional, seriously limiting individual and corporate Fifth Amendment right-to-contract. Unfortunately, the Supreme Court will never say this because they are too busy looking at international law keep armed robbing kiddies out of the slammer. Then again, lots of laws are extremely unconstitutional. Heck, our money is unconstitutional. No one cares about the Constitution anymore. The only way the CRA is remedied is removing restrictions on businesses to discriminate. All businesses should be permitted to discriminate at will, they simply risk losing a large portion of their patronage in doing so. Legal restrictions on personal choice wrongly premised on the interstate commerce clause are anathema.

andy85719 on May 20, 2010 at 5:01 PM

jp on May 20, 2010 at 4:43 PM

stefanite on May 20, 2010 at 4:45 PM

You two misrepresenting on purpose or accidentally confusing Rand with Ron?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J8iCWJ5UME

KittyLowrey on May 20, 2010 at 5:01 PM

Vince on May 20, 2010 at 4:48 PM

Here you go. It came up during the campaign.

stefanite on May 20, 2010 at 5:02 PM

Sigh…

Don’t blame me. I voted for Trey Grayson…

Things are going to be stupid around KY until November.

Dukeboy01 on May 20, 2010 at 5:04 PM

KittyLowrey on May 20, 2010 at 5:01 PM

No.

stefanite on May 20, 2010 at 5:04 PM

jp on May 20, 2010 at 4:53 PM

Ah, deliberate misrepresentation.

Thought so.

KittyLowrey on May 20, 2010 at 5:04 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GePLMLOj6Kg&feature=player_embedded#

Rand explains “Blowback”, explains they ‘are attacking us because we are in their country’

jp on May 20, 2010 at 4:53 PM

jp: Thanks for the link as well,it appears,he’s a clone of
his dad!:)

canopfor on May 20, 2010 at 5:05 PM

The only thing worse than pandering to the neo-Confederates and nationalists with pseudo-libertarian esotericism is not having the gonads to claim the the turd you just dropped.

Wipe up after yourself Rand.
***

RIP Republicans; the Tea Party smites.

The Race Card on May 20, 2010 at 5:05 PM

stefanite on May 20, 2010 at 5:04 PM

No to which or both?

Because your assertion about him was wrong.

KittyLowrey on May 20, 2010 at 5:05 PM

jsut as we predicted, chrissy is lovin’ this issue…

cmsinaz on May 20, 2010 at 5:06 PM

Vince on May 20, 2010 at 4:59 PM

Keep reading and see the link I gave where Paul addressed and refuted that very ad.

What is truly “troubing” are people who willfully distort someone’s words in order to call them a racist or ant-American.

KittyLowrey on May 20, 2010 at 5:08 PM

You two misrepresenting on purpose or accidentally confusing Rand with Ron?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J8iCWJ5UME

KittyLowrey on May 20, 2010 at 5:01 PM

uh, maybe you should actually watch the old clips

jp on May 20, 2010 at 5:08 PM

Yeah, you are right…but again, what is your alternative? REEEEEEALLY? I mean on the more fiscal issues….

seejanemom on May 20, 2010 at 4:49 PM

I know this may be hard to believe, but it is possible for a conservative to in favor of a strong defense, support for Israel, AND ALSO be fiscally conservative.

stefanite on May 20, 2010 at 5:08 PM

You gotta love a man named after a strong woman.

seejanemom on May 20, 2010 at 4:23 PM

His name is Randall, with Rand just being a nickname, kinda like Mike, Bob, Bill,etc…

Maybe Randall is a good speaker but a poor debater. Has he distanced himself from Adam Kokesh yet? If not, then this conservative wants him to lose in a landslide.

Kermit on May 20, 2010 at 5:09 PM

Enough with this ‘liberal media trap’ nonsense. Sure it happens to conservative politicians a lot, but not in this case.

Paul clearly has a libertarian position (I guess) on the Civil Rights Act, but it’s also a controversial one. If he felt that it was appropriate for the federal government to intervene in a private business’ discriminatory practices, he had more than enough opportunity to say so. Maddow was all but begging him to say it. But he wouldn’t, because that’s not what he believes. But don’t shoot the messenger here.

YYZ on May 20, 2010 at 5:09 PM

jp on May 20, 2010 at 5:08 PM

Uh, I’ve done more than watch just that tape.

KittyLowrey on May 20, 2010 at 5:10 PM

Rand Paul makes me embarrassed to be a Republican.

I only ever feel a teeny bit of responsibility for the politicians I actually vote for.

Otherwise, I’m not into group responsibility.

MayBee on May 20, 2010 at 5:10 PM

or that it’s a non-issue compared to cutting spending, rolling back ObamaCare, ending the Fed, screaming against the gold standard, etc.

Um, AP, I’m not sure if you are just being sarcastic, but you do realize that gold standard has been the standard banner of Austrian economics, the favored economic theory of Ron Paul libertarians, right?

Rand Paul followers won’t be screaming against the gold standard—they’ll be screaming for gold standard (or bimetallism, as Populists did, although coming from a different direction), against the fiat money.

novakyu on May 20, 2010 at 5:11 PM

“…there’s nothing to stop us re-segregating….”

Sure there is, it’s called the free market. Word gets out that a business has racist practices of one sort or another and individuals decide whether or not to support that business or take their dollars elsewhere. Affirmative action is an insult to everyone.

forgetfulmuse on May 20, 2010 at 5:13 PM

This is the United States .In this country a person can choose who he or she associate with.We have all kinds of clubs ,groups certain business ,schools,apartments and other communities that discriminate against all sorts of people.Some times on the basses of race.I as a white American don,t believe i can join the new black panther party is that racist yes but not illegal.As a male can i join the daughters of the American Revolution ?I don,t thinks so.Does that discriminate yes.

thmcbb on May 20, 2010 at 5:13 PM

KittyLowrey on May 20, 2010 at 5:08 PM

Rand flat out says that 9/11 happened because of ‘blowback” and goes on to clarify that it was due to our troops on their soil.

Never once has he stated the true reason, Islamic Mandate for a Global Caliphate outlined in the Koran

jp on May 20, 2010 at 5:14 PM

Uh, I’ve done more than watch just that tape.

KittyLowrey on May 20, 2010 at 5:10 PM

which is much more beleivable than his position he took, during the Primary to try and win the GOP nomination. Big difference between which is the more beleivable, less compromising position.

jp on May 20, 2010 at 5:15 PM

I just read this over at Ace’s, it is a history lesson on the Civil Rights Act. I will say this, he did his homework. He does not seem to think Rand Paul did his.

Terrye on May 20, 2010 at 5:16 PM

KittyLowrey on May 20, 2010 at 5:01 PM

How about this?

“You’re basically what I would call a chip off the old block. Your policies are basically identical to your father, correct?”

“I’d say we’d be very very similar. We might present the message sometimes differently.. I think in some ways the message has to be broadened and made more appealing to the entire Republican electorate because you have to win a primary.” Rand Paul on Alex Jones, 5/21/09

stefanite on May 20, 2010 at 5:18 PM

Terrye on May 20, 2010 at 5:16 PM

Rand Paul is giving the Lew Rockwell, Neo-Confederate version of history.

Rockwell is one of the most deceitul, disgraceful loons in American politics.

jp on May 20, 2010 at 5:19 PM

I think he’s going to be fine. This will blow over in a week. 25 points is too much for a liberal in Kentucky to gain.

The Dean on May 20, 2010 at 5:30 PM

Maybe he should just avoid Maddow, NPR, etc. altogether. I think he can scrape together 51% of the Kentucky electorate without winning any moonbats over.

BuzzCrutcher on May 20, 2010 at 4:22 PM

Remember when the McCain campaign was trying to keep Sarah under wraps? The left howled and howled, and they took her apart with their idiotic questions and condescending body language when she tried to respond to the gotcha questions s though they were asked in earnest.
Paul is in a lose-lose situation if he continues to answer these, “When did you stop beating your wife questions.”
He needs to just reply, “Look, do you want to ask me a serious question, or are you just chumming? Don’t be ridiculous!”

Chewy the Lab on May 20, 2010 at 5:34 PM

Ace’s post is good stuff, as I say:

There is nothing more Constitutional than a Constitutional Amendement

Process this paulnuts

jp on May 20, 2010 at 5:45 PM

What’s wrong with that? She never explains that. She kind of sits there, implying by omission the notion that anyone who supports that mindset is a racist, rather than someone who doesn’t want the government telling business owners who to do business with.

MadisonConservative on May 20, 2010 at 4:32 PM

You can’t possibly be that thick.

If someone exercises their right to free speech, it may offend you, but it doesn’t constrain or restrict your freedom in any appreciable way.

But if huge swaths of the South exercise their property rights to systematically exclude you from restaurants, inns and other public accommodations, it has a very real affect on your freedom. You can’t eat many certain places. It’s much more difficult to travel. You get the idea. And that’s exactly what happened to blacks in the South prior to the CRA.

crr6 on May 20, 2010 at 5:50 PM

All businesses should be permitted to discriminate at will, they simply risk losing a large portion of their patronage in doing so.
andy85719 on May 20, 2010 at 5:01 PM

Uhhh…no. In the Deep South prior to the CRA, many businesses would lose business if from whites if they stopped discriminating against blacks.

It really is nuts how hopelessly naive some of you guys are. You’ll follow the “limited government” and “free market solutions” meme off a cliff.

crr6 on May 20, 2010 at 5:55 PM

I am curious as to where Rachel Maddow stands on the issue of the 1232 Amendment to the Magna Carta. Where does she stand on that pressing issue?

LevStrauss on May 20, 2010 at 5:55 PM

Rand Paul= why I’m a conservative and not a libertarian. It sounds nice in theory but doesn’t hold up in reality either abroad or domestically.

There IS a time for government to take action. Such as when people are being discriminated against, yes…even in private establishments.

therightwinger on May 20, 2010 at 5:58 PM

The only thing I’m worried about is that there may be more Paul in Rand, than Rand in Paul.

LegendHasIt on May 20, 2010 at 5:59 PM

The only thing I’m worried about is that there may be more Paul in Rand, than Rand in Paul.

LegendHasIt on May 20, 2010 at 5:59 PM

THAT sentence is a thing of beauty. Bravo.

okonkolo on May 20, 2010 at 6:12 PM

I think DeMint’s gonna pull Rand aside and tell him he’s got a 25-point lead in the polls. That means stick to the key issues like deficits, taxes, and national security and shut the hell up about the Civil Rights Act. If he does that, he’ll be a shoo-in come November.

Doughboy on May 20, 2010 at 4:21 PM

Not true. His opponent is going to eat him alive with ads and his own words. Those ads are going to bring out voters to vote against him who normally wouldn’t bother to vote unless its a presidential election. Wait and see.

fastestslug on May 20, 2010 at 6:27 PM

It’s a case of bad media naivety by Rand.

the_nile on May 20, 2010 at 4:42 PM

Yup

MainelyRight on May 20, 2010 at 6:32 PM

WHY ARE WE EVEN DISCUSSING THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964 ON A CONSERVATIVE BLOG???????????????
Way to play right into the Left’s hands, Allah.
How about we just drop this and stop taking the bait?
rockmom on May 20, 2010 at 4:23 PM

I completely agree… And the whole post is quite a leap for one issue…

CCRWM on May 20, 2010 at 6:37 PM

jp on May 20, 2010 at 5:15 PM

stefanite on May 20, 2010 at 5:18 PM

You two kids keep regurgitating the same quotes that were refuted—and obviously quite ably as judged by the good citizens of Kentucky—but repetition doesn’t make it so; you’ve been debunked.

KittyLowrey on May 20, 2010 at 6:49 PM

1st it’s Kentucky he may gain Dem voters with that line of thought.

2nd The Alex jones. People are starting to believe that crap.

Both points are way off The Reservation. But commenters can sit in thier ivory towers and be Shocked, shocked that certain regions of the country are starting to doubt the intent of the US Govt. Call it Tinfoil or a grain of salt. I guess the answer is in the coming polls and election.

Indian Outlaw on May 20, 2010 at 7:08 PM

KittyLowrey on May 20, 2010 at 6:49 PM

they were not refuted, they were talked around

its impossible to refute what he said, unless he renounces his father and his 2008 views

jp on May 20, 2010 at 7:11 PM

Great interview: YouTube – Situation Room w/ Rand Paul

“School choice is the civil rights issue of our era.”

None of this matters anyway. The Great Economic Apocalypse has begun, and if you think the filthy, fascist Govt-Banksta Oligarchy is bad now, well, you ain’t seen nothing yet.

A Time To Speak Out

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[...]
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Rae on May 20, 2010 at 7:18 PM

MadisonConservative on May 20, 2010 at 4:32 PM

What do you know, a politician who actually believes that property rights ought to be given the same weight in our civic discourse as free speech, free assembly, protections from self-incrimination and cruel and unusual punishments, due process and self-defense rights. In short, someone who thinks that the right to private property ought to be treated like the God-given right protected by the Constitution that it is and has been since the inception of the Republic!

If the Left (and some on the Right apparently) worshiped property rights half as much as they do free-speech rights, the CRA would never have been passed.

JohnGalt23 on May 20, 2010 at 8:02 PM

Rand Paul makes me embarrassed to be a Republican.

terryannonline on May 20, 2010 at 4:33 PM

Aren’t you one of those ‘big tent’ advocates?

How ironic.

DLTDHYOTWO.

fossten on May 20, 2010 at 8:48 PM

The look of rand paul here brings to mind one question- are you guys high or what? Tea Party gets tagged as racist, the last thing it needs is a kook like Paul who wants to attack the civil rights act as unconstitutional.

This guy is a loser like his daddy. I assume the drinking water in the Paul household made both men retarded.

TheBlueSite on May 20, 2010 at 10:16 PM

The Civil Rights Act is unconstitutional. The Commerce power was vastly expanded in a way never intended by the framers. Now the commerce clause is being used to force people to buy private insurance. WHere does it stop?

taney71 on May 20, 2010 at 11:19 PM

Folks, all he needs to say is

I MISSPOKE ABOUT HOW I FEEL

You know, kind of like Blumenthal

or

It depends on what you mean by the word is…is

will sass u on May 20, 2010 at 11:42 PM

I didn’t get “good vibes” from Rand Paul. He seems to be political and oily and I didn’t get his abortion stand at all on the O’Reilly interview.

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 21, 2010 at 4:13 AM

Why even appear on the Rachael Maddow Show? Hard to see anything good coming of that.

WannabeAnglican on May 21, 2010 at 8:22 AM

While I tend to support the Civil Rights Act as necessary it does not blind me to the corrosive effect it has had on property rights.

I draw a directly in my mind from that act to today’s nanny statism telling restaurants what nutritional information they have to print on their menus.

I even see links to things like Kelo vs New London. Private Property rights protect more important things than just racism, just as free speech protects more than just racist speech.

Sackett on May 21, 2010 at 9:57 AM

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