Quotes of the day
posted at 10:43 pm on May 19, 2010 by Allahpundit
A Pakistani court has blocked Facebook amid a growing row over a competition on the social networking website to design cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed.
Plans for the “Everybody Draw Mohammed Day” contest drew an angry reaction, provoking street demonstrations in the Muslim majority country.
On Wednesday, Lahore High Court responded to a petition by the Muslim Lawyers Movement, ordering Pakistan’s internet regulator to block the entire site…
Rai Bashir, a lawyer involved in the case, said the site was blasphemous.
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There comes a point in any society’s existence where it must ultimately, to paraphrase Martin Luther (who himself was more than happy to see opponents put to death), dig in its heels and say here we stand, we will do no other. We don’t need to be perfectly consistent philosophically or historically or theologically to assert what is special and unique not just about the United States, with its bizarre and wonderful articulation of the First Amendment, but the greater classical liberal project comprising not just the “West” (whatever that is) but human beings in whatever town, country, or planet they inhabit. And at the heart of the liberal project is ultimately a recognition that individuals, for no other reason than that they exist, have rights to continue to exist. Embedded in all that is the right to expression. No one has a right to an audience or even to a sympathetic hearing, much less an engaged audience. But no one should be beaten or killed or imprisoned simply for speaking their mind or praying to one god as opposed to the other or none at all or getting on with the small business of living their life in peaceful fashion. If we cannot or will not defend that principle with a full throat, then we deserve to choke on whatever jihadists of all stripes can force down our throats.
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This completely misunderstands the dynamic of the recent half-decade of Muhammad controversies. It was primarily the contemporary, very Western culture of relativism, multiculturalism and risk-aversion that sustained those controversies, not any uniquely Eastern super-sensitivity to being insulted. From the 2005 Danish cartoons controversy (when European imams actually took the cartoons to the Islamic world to see if people felt offended by them) to the decision not to publish The Jewel of Medina (which Random House took on the basis of one academic’s warning, not Muslim threats), the driving force of the Muhammad controversies has been pre-emptive cautiousness in Western society itself rather than significant uprisings ‘over there’ against Enlightenment values…
However, presenting the undermining of freedom and Enlightenment as a result of a foreign ‘jihad against free speech’ is far easier than facing up to the reality – which is that it is not barbarians at the gates but institutions inside the gates that have denigrated Enlightenment values. The ‘jihad against free speech’ idea is more thrilling, too, giving the secular, liberal lobby a feeling that they’re involved in a life-and-death, cross-continent struggle to defend the soul of Western liberalism from baying gangs of religious types. When in fact all they’re doing is drawing pictures of Muhammad with his knob out.
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Terrorism and self-censorship are both self-fulfilling prophecies. If you allow yourself to be terrorized, then everything looks scary, the ground is softened for restricting freedom, and the bad guys win. When nearly every respectable news outlet decides at the same time that a certain piece of content is just too offensive, too irresponsible, too dangerous to publish, then the next time around you can go ahead and take out the “nearly.” The always-booming anti-defamation industry is nothing if not hyper-attuned to tactical retreats by the target media. When squeaky wheels get grease, they squeak louder next time, ennobled by the self-censorious ways of what Reason contributor Jonathan Rauch famously described as the “kindly inquisitors.”
If, on the other hand, those of us committed to speech-expansion and the broader project of liberalism do not reward bullies, do not give in to the fear that crude cartooning is a dog whistle for suicide bombers, and instead spread the risk far beyond a handful of moderately spineful European newspapers and a couple of children’s-show animators, the prophecy loses traction in an instant, and maybe starts heading in the other direction. If people who threaten violence on cartoonists are treated not with fear but with outright mockery, and produce as a direct result of their actions not a cowed and silent respect for their fervor but an epidemic of giggling and a global WTF, maybe they’ll be less incentivized to repeat the threat next time around. Meanwhile, the rest of us, with our now-broader parameters of acceptable discourse, will be able to get on with the tasks of modernity and prosperity, a process that the great science writer Matt Ridley has described as relying above all else on “ideas having sex.”









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The caucasian gene pool is inbred.
In fact, the human race is inbred.
Check out the genetics.
You’ll find it’s true.
To be inbred means nothing.
And it certainly doesn’t mean that you’ll be ignorant if you’re inbred.
You, sir, are ignorant beyond belief.
It’s easy for you to say what you say here bcs you are free to do so.
Lucky for you, you don’t live in Packistan or Iran etc.
So you are free to mouth off your ignorance.
Badger40 on May 20, 2010 at 8:19 AM
Or draw it.
Disturb the Universe on May 20, 2010 at 8:21 AM
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Here is the “prophet” with a little piggy nose.
Wish I could add little piggy feet and a little piggy tail.
Akzed on May 20, 2010 at 8:52 AM
Long live Stephen Decatur.
Akzed on May 20, 2010 at 8:56 AM
I cannot access the Facebook page.
It is possible that they have shut it down.
WisCon on May 20, 2010 at 8:59 AM
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WisCon on May 20, 2010 at 9:01 AM
And William Eaton!
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profitsbeard on May 20, 2010 at 10:32 AM
Long live David Hume! The philosophical inspiration to our countries founding!
SauerKraut537 on May 20, 2010 at 10:51 AM
Muslims have every right to believe they shouldn’t draw, or view drawings of Muhammad. Their problem is that their religion teaches them to FORCE their point of view on everyone – after all – Islam translates as “Submit.”
They can go pi$$ up a rope.
PJ Emeritus on May 20, 2010 at 11:07 AM
PJ, why don’t you tell them to take a flying f*$k off the Empire State Building since they’ve taken out the WTC… I’d tell them the latter if it was still in existence.
;-)
SauerKraut537 on May 20, 2010 at 11:18 AM
When Gene Roddenberry, creator of Star Trek, was asked by an interviewer “why, with all the racial and gender diversity you exhibit in your books, TV series and movies, are there no Arabs represented?”
His response, “well, it’s set in the future, you know.”
True story.
And SauerKraut, I’d rather they take that leap off one of the buildings they’ve built in their own piece of the planet than ours.
PJ Emeritus on May 20, 2010 at 11:31 AM
Narutoboy on May 20, 2010 at 12:04 AM
He drew a turtle he saw in a magazine and got a “scholarship.”
http://www.creativepro.com/article/creativeprose-tippy-the-turtle-and-pirates-too-
PJ Emeritus on May 20, 2010 at 11:40 AM
Don’t think so. It lasted 51 days.
And yes, coerced by David Koresh. Those kooks that Koresh was the second coming of Jesus. Ridiculous.
Narutoboy on May 20, 2010 at 11:44 AM
I think there were dogs involved that died. If that’s true, then I take back my statement. I care about the dogs. They had no choice but to be in a home of a racist.
Narutoboy on May 20, 2010 at 11:47 AM
Living in TX at the time of the Waco incident, I can tell you that though they were kooks, the feds made it a mission to provoke them.
The feds botched this thing from the get go.
None of those people deserved to die for the alleged charges held against them.
And ATF acted extremely loose with their allegations.
They were picking on these people bcs of loose allegations.
If ATF went after a liberal organization like they did the Davidians, I cannot imagine the outcry that wold ensue.
The feds should have handled this way better than they did & listened to the local sherriff.
But they didn’t.
The feds own the Waco Massacre bcs that’s what it was: a MASSACRE.
Badger40 on May 20, 2010 at 12:29 PM
So Badger40… Don’t get me wrong, what happened in Waco was a travesty but… I suppose David Koresh had nothing to do with the conflict itself? They were hoarding weapons and former members had let the ATF/Federal govt know that this guy was overreaching in his authority. He was saying he was a son of god, like everyone else in the cult, then he BECAME the son of god, and then he WAS god.
I’m sure his delusion that he was god had nothing whatsoever to do with the indignant shoving off of the agents initially peaceful attempts to ascertain what actually was going on there.
SauerKraut537 on May 20, 2010 at 12:53 PM
And he had his followers convinced that they were going to do battle with an evil force. So when ATF came knocking, they went into Armageddon mode and created a problem (the Davidians did). They basically did what the Iranian leader is doing now.
*generally speaking*
Maybe they could’ve handled it better. Sure. But if we’re going to blame someone, how about starting with Koresh?
Narutoboy on May 20, 2010 at 1:31 PM
ATF was pushing this group & bending things in order to get anything on them.
Their guns were technically legal.
It was the accessories that they were assuming could be used to turn the legal guns into illegal guns that they were parsing about.
The local sherriff was not listened to.
The feds came in & pushed their way around when the local authorities could have probably guided things to a more peaceful conclusion.
Koresh was nuts & so were the people that followed him.
But they did it of their own free will, just like those fundamentalist mormons who had their kids taken away from them. NO ONE has the right to manipulate the law to wrest people’s rights from them when those said people don’t prescribe to a ‘normal’ way of life.
There was no law breaking going on that they could prosecute.
They only had rumors. Nothing substantial enough to force a standoff for God’s sake.
Badger40 on May 20, 2010 at 2:20 PM
Well Badger, it’s a two way street. I agree with you on principle but instead of bowing their backs, so to speak, and locking themselves in, they could have waged a media campaign post mortem (no pun intended) to the govt trampling their rights.
Instead, they clung to their guns, and to their god (Koresh) because their god told them to. The govt most likely was suspicious at that point and tried to break their way in because they had a warrant if memory serves.
This is a prime example of why the belief in god is such a detrimental belief to us. Because charismatic humans can prey on the belief in it to use for their own purposes.
As I’ve said before, people’s beliefs have consequences, and the Davidians felt the end result of their beliefs, now didn’t they?
They let a huckster lead them down the wrong path.
If you were a skeptic, you’re less likely to believe the claims of hucksters like Koresh, Jim Jones, etc…
SauerKraut537 on May 20, 2010 at 3:26 PM
here we go again.
Fanatical beliefs.
That’s what they are.
Not the garden variety religous types.
No belief in a God can have the same consequences.
You can stop peddling your Atheist Snake Oil here.
Nobody is buying.
I am a skeptic. Doesn’t mean
I can’t have a faith in God.
Are you suggesting that the Branch Davidians are proof that religion is bad for mankind?
You are one silly nut.
Again, nobody here wants to buy your Atheist Snake Oil.
Go peddle it somewhere else.
Your mantra is tiring.
Badger40 on May 20, 2010 at 4:52 PM
Hey Badger,
I thought you liked a good debate. Instead of dismissing what I say because it hurts your feelings, why don’t you prove me wrong instead of calling me a snakeoil salesman.
Do you REALLY think that just because the garden variety religious person is innocuous for now, that they can’t get fundamentalist later on?
I’m SURE that all the followers of Koresh at one point in their lives were moderate and “harmless” but their credulous demeanor is what got them into trouble… All it takes is a charismatic person to pull you in a direction you don’t wish to go.
Along the lines of the Stanley Milgram experiments back in the 60′s… People oftentimes go along with the group think because no one wants to shake things up and go against the group. A few individuals in the Davidian sect DID break away and they were the ones who got the Fed’s involved.
I’m doing all I can right now to fight that impulse to accede to your wish that I just shut up and go along with the religious thing. Do you think I enjoy being combative about this topic just for the sake of it? You’re wrong if you think that Badger.
I put this out there to make people think. If YOU choose to not think, others might, so I say it.
SauerKraut537 on May 20, 2010 at 5:40 PM
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