Palin hits Huntsman for dumping on Arizona’s immigration law in front of China

posted at 6:27 pm on May 17, 2010 by Allahpundit

A nice example of Palin’s highest use to the right at the moment. It’s not as a campaigner; the jury will be out on that until after the midterms. It’s not as a pundit; her Fox News segments are fun, but not much more. What she can potentially do that no other righty can do, Limbaugh and Beck included, is push stuff onto the media’s radar that they’d otherwise ignore. The story about that girls basketball team in Illinois being forbidden to travel to Arizona only really went national after she talked it up. Now this:

AZ’s pro-border security law invokes apology to China(w/its human rights violations)by U.S. State Dept;Surely Ambassador Huntsman disagrees?

Presumably a Facebook post about it is in the works; if it isn’t, it should be. The idea of State voluntarily introducing Arizona’s law into a discussion of human rights abuses with China may well be the single lowest moment on foreign policy that the administration’s had since The One was sworn in. Even Marc Ambinder, writing about Palin’s challenge to Huntsman, managed to choke down his bile towards conservatives to admit that it’s all but indefensible (“comparing China’s regular and brutal and unapologetic detention of political dissidents to the temporary detention of citizens caught without papers is … a tough case to make”). Never mind that, in poll after poll, 60 percent of the American public supports the law; never mind that Arizona’s law was made necessary by the federal government’s own abdication of its border duties; never mind that the Arizona statute is child’s play compared to China’s own immigration policies. The demagoguery simply will not stop, even when the audience is authoritarian communists. To have State bring the Chinese into this is actually much worse than having unhinged leftists scream about looming Nazism in Phoenix, because to some extent the Nazi crap is standard political discourse now. As disgusting as it is, it’s almost always empty rhetoric and everyone knows it. Not so here: Evidently there are elements at State that consider this law a transgression so ominous that they actually feel compelled to apologize to a totalitarian regime for it. And yet there’s been practically nothing said about it anywhere; even Ed’s post earlier barely cracked 100 comments. This should be a Category Five shinolastorm on the right, yet as far as I know, not a single reporter even raised it with Gibbs at today’s presser. As a wise man once said, where’s the outrage?

That imbecile Posner should be fired immediately and both Hillary and Huntsman should be asked to explain, in exquisite detail, why a law that’s not even being enforced yet should be offered as some sort of diplomatic sacrifice to the Orwellian heroes in Beijing. Exit question: Seriously, what have they done on foreign policy that’s more loathsome than this? Honduras, maybe?


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I’ll bet they aren’t even scraping the bottom yet, either. I feel sure they can and will dig much deeper before they are sent packing.

AUINSC on May 17, 2010 at 6:37 PM

Holocaust denial, maybe? To suck up to Iran?

Bobbertsan on May 17, 2010 at 7:18 PM

What has Romney said about anything lately?

d1carter on May 17, 2010 at 7:14 PM

Romney could not be reached for comment. He was in with a wax, manicure, pedicure and massage. Oh, and the dye. The JFR = Just For Romney! It’s a new formula.

Key West Reader on May 17, 2010 at 7:19 PM

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 7:13 PM

1. What is the job description for
Asst Sec of State ?

2. Why was he sent to China ?

3. Was he representing the US
or
was he there on behalf of the Soros-funded org that he used to work for ?

macncheez on May 17, 2010 at 7:20 PM

Now as I said, I am not sure I understand what was said. If Huntsman himself said something to the same effect then he is at fault and should apologize.
Otherwise Palin is off base. And it seems she is worried about her slipping approval in the polls and trying to do something to make people like her again.

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 7:11 PM

I haven’t read the Palin post yet. I did read both the Huntsman quote and the Posner remarks which go even further with the “mature relationship” theme, referencing the Arizona law. I would think Huntsman making a statement would go a long way toward clarification, though the whole situation and related moral equivalence is disturbing.

Bee on May 17, 2010 at 7:20 PM

Palin is exploiting this to look tough on immigration, but she still agrees with McCain 100% as she has said. This means she wants amnesty plus enforcement.

PrezHussein on May 17, 2010 at 7:20 PM

Part of the problem is that when you tell people this story, they stand there staring at you, waiting for the punch line. I would bet that even the ChiCom apparatchnik receiving this message had to throw up a little.

motionview on May 17, 2010 at 7:20 PM

Petunia, with all due respect. You have to look at things with clear eyes and realize that this administration is a farce. A collective bargaining agreement that has been in the works for possibly 60 years. The public, private, manufacturing unions and the agreements and covenants that the union bosses made to these workers can no longer be honored. There is. No. More. Money.

So, what is the solution? Dissolve the unions? Their contracts won’t allow it. So what next? Dissolve our economy? Is that possible?

The answer is we just have to realize that the time for Union Organized labor ended in the mid 60’s and that the legacy costs will no longer be borne by the taxpaying citizenry. Hence, here in the USA we will have a situation like Greece. That is, if you let ACORN, SEIU, UAW et al., run us into the ground.

You choose. And, choose now.

Key West Reader on May 17, 2010 at 7:17 PM

I’m posting it again from the end of the last page because it is important for people to understand that we are just out of money. We The People should not be made to pay for the union contracts and legacy costs that had nothing to do with taxpayers but everything to do with big gigantic unions that we have never been involved in.

Take your union pension and shove it. I’m not paying for you, and I don’t want you to pay for me.

Shove it, SEIU.

Key West Reader on May 17, 2010 at 7:22 PM

But Palin is asking an ambassador to make political war on his own government!

That is offensive.

Palin is wrong when she starts blaming everyone she can think of. Why would she even think of blaming Huntsman?

Now as I said, I am not sure I understand what was said. If Huntsman himself said something to the same effect then he is at fault and should apologize.
Otherwise Palin is off base. And it seems she is worried about her slipping approval in the polls and trying to do something to make people like her again.

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 7:11 PM

You have to look at the backstory to Huntsman. He is Obama’s “Token” Republican, that he chose to give himself an aura of bi-partisanship. Axelrod claimed that the only Republican that Obama feared a campaign against was….John Huntsman.

Palin is essentially calling Huntsman out. She is asking him, as a supposed Conservative Republican, if he agrees with Obama’s stance on this. If he does, his credibility is shot. If he doesn’t, as the “token Republican” he is expected to voice his concern. Out of bi-partisan good will.

Right??

portlandon on May 17, 2010 at 7:23 PM

macncheez on May 17, 2010 at 7:20 PM

Assistant Secretary of State?!!?

Pshaaww!!

It was ‘Some Guy’…

BigWyo on May 17, 2010 at 7:24 PM

The idea of State voluntarily introducing Arizona’s law into a discussion of human rights abuses with China may well be the single lowest moment on foreign policy that the administration’s had since The One was sworn in.

cough*Honduras*cough

I can understand the lack of attention this is getting. I think people are just used to this administration being completely out of their league when it comes to foreign policy.

From crappy gifts to allied leaders, to snubbing democracies and catering to leftist thug regimes, to bowing to foreign leaders (even totalitarian ones), to publicly chastising allied leaders, to destroying Americas special relationships with both Britain and Israel, to refusing to call Islamic terrorism what it is, and on and on… people just aren’t surprised anymore when something like this happens.

BadgerHawk on May 17, 2010 at 7:25 PM

What has Romney said about anything lately?

d1carter on May 17, 2010 at 7:14 PM

Just read the latest poll results and you can pretty much figure out where Romney stands on any given issue at any given moment.

FloatingRock on May 17, 2010 at 7:26 PM

I can understand the lack of attention this is getting. I think people are just used to this administration being completely out of their league when it comes to foreign policy.

BadgerHawk on May 17, 2010 at 7:25 PM

100% correct. We are becoming desensitized to how terrible this administration is.

portlandon on May 17, 2010 at 7:27 PM

You choose. And, choose now.

Key West Reader on May 17, 2010 at 7:17 PM

You just threw in the kitchen sink.

And I chose sides a long time ago. But being stupid happens on both sides.

This makes no sense whatsoever.

Why did Palin attack Huntsman and Hillary? What was that about?

I think Palin is losing it.

She had a great point. Then she did the same type of thing. She started pointing fingers all over the place, rather than addressing the issue.

Focus Palin… Obama makes policy. Attack him.

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 7:28 PM

That imbecile Posner should be fired immediately and both Hillary and Huntsman should be asked to explain, in exquisite detail, why a law that’s not even being enforced yet should be offered as some sort of diplomatic sacrifice to the Orwellian heroes in Beijing. Exit question: Seriously, what have they done on foreign policy that’s more loathsome than this? Honduras, maybe?

I agree Allah! But as far as getting Hillary to answer tough questions refer to Janet Nap for your answer. There is no difference between Ja Nap and Dillary!

Dire Straits on May 17, 2010 at 7:29 PM

These guys actually do view America as being a negative force in the world. I don’t understand why they whine about being called unpatriotic when they demonstrate it every day. I definitely agree that this is a much better way for Palin to help Republicans than trying to run herself.She is a headline grabber.

Southernblogger on May 17, 2010 at 7:29 PM

Palin is essentially calling Huntsman out. She is asking him, as a supposed Conservative Republican, if he agrees with Obama’s stance on this. If he does, his credibility is shot. If he doesn’t, as the “token Republican” he is expected to voice his concern. Out of bi-partisan good will.

Right??

portlandon on May 17, 2010 at 7:23 PM

Well that is just petty.

She wants to make some point about Huntsman shouldn’t have accepted the job as ambassador? Really? Why is that her business again? OH he might decided to run in a campaign like twenty years from now and they might be opponents?

Petty petty petty.

If that is really her point she has lost a lot of respect. Especially the way she stepped down. She’s made plenty of questionable decisions herself and shouldn’t be pointing fingers.

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 7:33 PM

She had a great point. Then she did the same type of thing. She started pointing fingers all over the place, rather than addressing the issue.

Focus Palin petunia … Obama makes policy. Attack him.

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 7:28 PM

There.

Brian1972 on May 17, 2010 at 7:37 PM

Key West Reader at 7:22
I appreciate your sentiments and agree that we are out of money, but our government can continue to borrow and to print as much money as it wants, including money to bail out states and municipalities from the union contracts that you mention. We are a long way from being able to shed the outrageous burdens of those contracts.

GaltBlvnAtty on May 17, 2010 at 7:39 PM

Petty petty petty.

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 7:33 PM

Yes, you are. Focus, grasshopper.

Brian1972 on May 17, 2010 at 7:39 PM

This will be mentioned eventually in the MSM. Perhaps “via Palin”. But that’s it, get it?

It doesn’t matter if China was known for harvesting young girls for organ meats for human consumption. The white hot hate for Palin and Conservatives and the AZ law trumps ALL OF IT.

Ambinder’s quote, “comparing China’s regular and brutal and unapologetic detention of political dissidents to the temporary detention of citizens caught without papers is … a tough case to make”, actually says it all.

“A tough case to make”?. NO!

NO case can be made. But see? He is saying a case CAN possibly be made, it would just be “tough”. The “tough” might a Freudian slip, but it’s there. And it speaks the real “truth to power” in regards to how off the rails the left is today.

That is not outrage for this statement made by Huntsman, it’s appeasement!

And Ambinder’s response is what you can expect from the MSM. It was an “unfortunate” and perhaps a bit “misguided” statement.

I saw a movie where a character says he makes it through combat because he came to believe that “he was already dead”.

That is how you have to come to terms with the MSM and the left. You don’t EVER “wonder” (like this article does) as to how on earth (or why) the MSM and the folks on the Hill aren’t “outraged” by such a comment.

YOU ARE THE WORST THING IN THE WORLD TO THEM. Not China, Not the terrorists.

YOU.

The Conservative

Opposite Day on May 17, 2010 at 7:40 PM

Petty petty petty.

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 7:33 PM
Yes, you are. Focus, grasshopper.

Brian1972 on May 17, 2010 at 7:39 PM

Thank you but Huntsman didn’t say anything about this at all. (Apparently) Yet here is an accusation from one of the most powerful people in America!

Where does he go to get his reputation back after someone with this kind of power spreads rumours about him?

Gossip is petty.

Palin owes an apology. You would think after all the gossip about her she wouldn’t do stuff like this.

At least according to her ardent followers she just has a venedetta against Huntsman. Wow, now there’s someone who should sit in the Whitehouse.

My outrage against Obama is somewhat tempered by the reaction of Palin. Misfire.

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 7:44 PM

That is not outrage for this statement made by Huntsman, it’s appeasement!

Opposite Day on May 17, 2010 at 7:40 PM

You see, here is someone who thinks Huntsman made the remark.

He didn’t.

(As far as I can find. If he did then I am wrong.)

Palin takes out possible future rivals by spreading untrue rumours. That speaks volumes about her character.

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 7:47 PM

Mama Sarah doin the work Republican men won’t do!

Wheres’ neut, Mitt or the preacher.

Well I suppose Mitt and Paul have some straw polls to stack, some voters to buy tickets for and in Mitts case hopes the MSM hands him the nomination like they did the old white guy the last time.

Meanwhile Sarahcuda is out there doin the work and makin liberals howl and pull their hair out.
Go Sarah, go girl your out there earnin it everyday in everyway!

dhunter on May 17, 2010 at 7:50 PM

If that is really her point she has lost a lot of respect. Especially the way she stepped down. She’s made plenty of questionable decisions herself and shouldn’t be pointing fingers.

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 7:33 PM

Yeah, your respect for Palin is taking a real drubbing today.

BigWyo on May 17, 2010 at 7:51 PM

OH he might decided to run in a campaign like twenty years from now and they might be opponents?

Petty petty petty.

If that is really her point she has lost a lot of respect. Especially the way she stepped down. She’s made plenty of questionable decisions herself and shouldn’t be pointing fingers.

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 7:33 PM

You are missing the point. This isn’t about Palin wanting to run against Huntsman. This is about Obama, picking Huntsman, a “token Republican” who is an expert on China. Obama picked him so show that he wanted “all voices heard” among the people he surrounded himself with.

Palin applying pressure to Huntsman, in order for him to stand up for his supposed principles is not a bad thing.

But you understand that already. You just don’t like it when people apply pressure to Mormons. Right Petunia?

But that isn’t an official church website it is a group of liberal Mormons. I’ve never heard of them before and I’ve been a member my whole life… longer than Beck.

petunia on March 12, 2010 at 11:37 AM

In fact, anytime anybody goes after Romney, or Huntsman, you seem to defend them at all costs. Even twisting yourself into knots to do so.

You seem to have it out for Palin because Romney wasn’t picked as McCain’s VP:

What I mean is he didn’t have a reason for not choosing Romney…other than the bigots emailed him and so forth. I don’t want anyone elected or chosen because they are a Mormon but to have him rejected because of it is just…

And frankly not what I would expect from John McCain. It shows a true lack of character.

petunia on August 27, 2008 at 6:02 PM

I don’t hold it against you. If McCain had picked Pawlenty as his VP, you would have hated on him just as much.

portlandon on May 17, 2010 at 7:52 PM

Palin takes out possible future rivals by spreading untrue rumours. That speaks volumes about her character.

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 7:47 PM

You are not making any sense here. Huntsman screwed himself when he joined the Obama Administration. You think he will be a contender in 2012 now? You must be on some strong meds.

Utah Republicans just booted incumbent Senator Bennet, because he was too friendly to the other side for their liking. You think they are going to give Huntsman a shot at anything ever again? I seriously doubt it. He’s completely finished in Republican politics, no way he gets any nomination for anything from a conservative electorate.

Palin is attacking the issue, and she is right.

Your arguments about her “pettiness” do not hold water, and sound more than a little petty on your part as far as I am concerned.

Focus. Obama makes policy. Attack him. That is good advice for you. Who said that recently? I forget.

Brian1972 on May 17, 2010 at 7:56 PM

OK

Lemme see if I know all the facts

Hillary : US department of State, Sec

Posner : US department of State, Asst Sec

Huntsman : US department of State , Ambassador to China

I know they all have something in common, I just don’t seem to find it. Is there a connection ?

macncheez on May 17, 2010 at 7:57 PM

portlandon on May 17, 2010 at 7:52 PM

Ahh..now all the ButtHurt makes sense. I was wondering earlier on why some one was wondering what Romney had to say.

*snicker*

BigWyo on May 17, 2010 at 7:58 PM

Petunia’s Analysis of John Huntsman:

I think Huntsman wants to serve his country and he seems uniquely qualified to be the US ambassador to China… a post once held by George Bush, Senior, if I’m not mistaken.

Being an ambassador really isn’t a very partisan post any way.

Huntsman isn’t a very partisan guy apparently… not likely that in the next generation at least, a Mormon has much of a shot at the nomination anyway. The message from the Republicans (natural allies for from our point of view at least) was pretty much “Mormons need not apply”.

So why wait around trying to convince folks, who don’t want to be convinced, that you don’t have horns or aren’t bent on world domination? There’s work to be done.

And what he said about when the President asks… that’s a very Mormon way to look at authority. Country first, Party way down the line somewhere.

petunia on May 16, 2009 at 5:23 PM

portlandon on May 17, 2010 at 7:59 PM

If you’d like some idea of how China treats dissension, visit-

http://www.persecution.com/

oldleprechaun on May 17, 2010 at 7:59 PM

petunia: To address your concerns re Huntsman, consider this information from powerlineblog’s John Hinderaker:

UPDATE: Scott thinks I may be unjust to Huntsman, as it isn’t clear what “specific cases” he is talking about and his comment may have been unrelated to Posner’s apology. Fair enough. But I’ve reviewed the transcript of Huntsman’s remarks and he repeatedly deferred to Posner. Posner, meanwhile, adopted Huntsman’s “mature” comment and explicitly put it in the context of his own apologies for the U.S.:

QUESTION: Was there any areas in which China sort of turned the tables and raised its own complaints or concerns about U.S. practices around the globe or at home? Can you give some examples there -

ASSISTANT SECRETARY POSNER: Sure. You know, I think – again, this goes back to Ambassador Huntsman’s comment. Part of a mature relationship is that you have an open discussion where you not only raise the other guy’s problems, but you raise your own, and you have a discussion about it. We did plenty of that. We had experts from the U.S. side, for example, yesterday, talking about treatment of Muslim Americans in an immigration context. We had a discussion of racial discrimination. We had a back-and-forth about how each of our societies are dealing with those sorts of questions. …

QUESTION: Did the recently passed Arizona immigration law come up? And, if so, did they bring it up or did you bring it up?

ASSISTANT SECRETARY POSNER: We brought it up early and often. It was mentioned in the first session, and as a troubling trend in our society and an indication that we have to deal with issues of discrimination or potential discrimination, and that these are issues very much being debated in our own society.

So Posner’s comments about Arizona were even worse than was reported by the AP. I would suggest to Ambassador Huntsman that if he wants to disassociate himself from the ignorance and the anti-Americanism of the Obama State Department, he should resign.

onlineanalyst on May 17, 2010 at 8:00 PM

Exit question: Seriously, what have they done on foreign policy that’s more loathsome than this? Honduras, maybe?

Honduras was worse, sure. I’d rank their treatment of Israel as worse than this, though. Honduras probably takes the cake because it’s the U.S. government actively trying to strangle a democracy in favor of a Marxist dictator (or wannabe one at any rate), but the treatment of Israel, I feel, is ultimately going to wind up killing people over there in the Middle East.

Vyce on May 17, 2010 at 8:01 PM

Allah is right to be outraged, but I wouldn’t use the seemingly lackluster response to Ed’s post as a measure of concern since it did not show up until 12:15, and the issue had already been commented on in the Q.O.T.D., as well as in the headlines when it first appeared there. Indeed, I spent much of the morning wondering why it wasn’t the red alert story of the day.

Buy Danish on May 17, 2010 at 8:02 PM

Never mind that the Arizona statute is child’s play compared to China’s own immigration policies.

The Arizona statue is child’s play compared to the EU effort. Arizonians aren’t even trying to stop illegal immigrant. They’re just checking documents when someone is stopped for some legal infraction. I get stopped on the streets for passport check in Europe all the time. For no other reason than looking like a foreigner. The EU also has a comprehensive plan for securing their border, part of the Stockholm Programme. You can read more about it here:

http://www.frontex.europa.eu/

[Note the slogan: Libertas Securita Justitia. Totally Facist.]

year_of_the_dingo on May 17, 2010 at 8:02 PM

O’Reilly talking about it right now.

smokinjoe on May 17, 2010 at 8:03 PM

Country first, Party way down the line somewhere.

petunia on May 16, 2009 at 5:23 PM

Apparently country and party…waaaaaay down the line somewhere….

BigWyo on May 17, 2010 at 8:03 PM

Everything is Mormon first with poor Petunia:

When a President calls you do duty. You do it. That is what he means.

This attitude makes Mormons good citizens of whatever country they live in. But of course it doesn’t mean you can’t voice your opposition to policies.

But we recognize the importance of law and order and being part orderly government.

petunia on May 16, 2009 at 10:27 PM

portlandon on May 17, 2010 at 8:03 PM

My outrage against Obama is somewhat tempered by the reaction of Palin. Misfire.

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 7:44 PM

Look at it like this, make out a balance sheet for Obugme and SP.
On each, list the assets and liabilities that each brings to America.
Palin’s assets far outnumber her liablities (real or imagined).
Jug ears has one column only – liabilities. The terrifying thing is both he and our enemies see those same liabilities as assets.

Don’t get distracted by your Palin “concern”.

ontherocks on May 17, 2010 at 8:08 PM

The idea of State voluntarily introducing Arizona’s law into a discussion of human rights abuses with China may well be the single lowest moment on foreign policy that the administration’s had since The One was sworn in.

cough*Honduras*cough

BadgerHawk on May 17, 2010 at 7:25 PM

Personally, I think the cancellation of the missile shield on the 70th anniversary of the Soviet invasion of Poland has to take the cake. That earned us a full-page headline of “AMERICA STABBED US IN THE BACK!” in the country’s best selling newspaper.

year_of_the_dingo on May 17, 2010 at 8:10 PM

even Ed’s post earlier barely cracked 100 comments

BOR just front-paged it on the Factor. I’ve emailed a couple dozen about it. It’s appalling.

John the Libertarian on May 17, 2010 at 8:12 PM

BOR calling Posner a moron, and that this is the Twilight Zone.

Good stuff.

John the Libertarian on May 17, 2010 at 8:13 PM

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 6:57 PM

Yes Huntsman is a “mere” employee representing President Obama. But to give Huntsman a pass is is to be naive. Palin is calling him out because he is either being a Yes Man to President Obama, or agrees with President Obama. Either one is not good for Huntsman. His assistant can’t do things on official business without permission.
Here is another idea for Huntsman when he thinks President Obama is off base, he can disagree with him. He can then resign if forced. That is what people with honor do.

Conservative Voice on May 17, 2010 at 8:14 PM

Honduras definitely…

DANEgerus on May 17, 2010 at 8:16 PM

Has anyone in the State department or their bosses in the kneepad media ever asked China why the Uighars released from Gitmo could not be sent back to China ?

macncheez on May 17, 2010 at 8:22 PM

BOR knocked this one out of the park tonight. He can be annoying at times, but sometimes he gets an issue in his sweet spot and nails it.

JohnInCA on May 17, 2010 at 8:23 PM

portlandon has said he is a bitter ex-mormon.
Try saying something good about Romney dude. Lets see if you can do it.

PrezHussein on May 17, 2010 at 8:25 PM

And yet there’s been practically nothing said about it anywhere; even Ed’s post earlier barely cracked 100 comments. This should be a Category Five shinolastorm on the right, yet as far as I know, not a single reporter even raised it with Gibbs at today’s presser. As a wise man once said, where’s the outrage?

Seriously, WE’RE OUTRAGED OUT!!!!!

Everyday the Destroyer in the Oval office and his Progressive buddies in both parties are dismantling this country making the New World Order a necessity….why I’ve been outraged in the last few days over:

The 7 year old Beyonce wannabes in the World of Dance fiasco.

The Miss NUDE USA “Muslim” Stripper / Miss Oklahoma was profiled by the Mexican actor Donald disaster.

The Ongoing boycott of Arizona, the comments of Eric Holder about it.

The comments of Mother Nancy Pelosi telling all the artists to just quit their jobs and kickback, we’ll pay their doctor bills.

The collapse of the Euro about to happen thanks to Obama the Destroyer talking Merkel into destroying her monetary power (Soros shorting the Euro perhaps)?

So many places to be outraged……so little time.

PappyD61 on May 17, 2010 at 8:26 PM

portlandon on May 17, 2010 at 7:59 PM

Wow that’s impressive… it’s almost as though you have something against me personally.

Or religiously.

I can’t even imagine going to all that work to repost stuff someone said months and months ago…

It seems we are talking about more than a simple disagreement over Palin making Huntsman her target rather than Pozner or Obama.

And to set your mind at ease. I still don’t think Huntsman or Romney have a snowball’s chance in hell to ever be President.

Nor do I know if I would support either of them. I don’t really know that much about Huntsman and I have serious doubts about Romney after the healtcare stuff.

All the work you were willing to go to just reinforces that belief.

I think Huntsman knew he was never going to be President when he went to China. We all knew. This is the only way he can serve this country. But even that is called into question now isn’t it. For something someone else said and Palin decided to tell people he did. Why would she try to ruin him? That is petty.

onlineanalyst on May 17, 2010 at 8:00 PM

Huntsman seems to have talked about a common way of negotiating… and Pozner used it as an excuse to say what he said. Huntsman didn’t say anything about the AZ law that I can find.

If Huntsman did say what Palin accuses him of. I am wrong. And he should resign.

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 8:30 PM

Asking Huntsman if he agrees is going to make Obama squirm? How? Why would Obama care?

Sarah took her eye off the ball here.

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 7:13 PM

She’s not playing ball, she’s playing chess. Ten moves ahead.

jimmy2shoes on May 17, 2010 at 8:33 PM

A pro-Palin post from AP. Be still my beating heart!

darii on May 17, 2010 at 8:35 PM

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 8:30 PM

Just for the record, I don’t care one bit if Huntsman is a Mormon or not. That has zero to do with this for me.

Huntsman is Obama’s man in China. He accepted that, and now he must live with it. If he does not object to this method of diplomacy and say so, that is on him. It sure as hell isn’t Palin’s fault that he put himself in this position with these diplomatic pantywaists in the Obama WH and Foggy Bottom under Hillary of all people. This is about what is best for America.

Brian1972 on May 17, 2010 at 8:36 PM

Exit question: Seriously, what have they done on foreign policy that’s more loathsome than this? Honduras, maybe?

Late to the party here, and I’m sure it’s been suggested already. But I’ll go with Iran. Sucking up to an enemy of the US (& pushing for a second Holocaust), one that underwrites terrorism and is deeply unpopular at home, that slaughters its own citizens? Vile. Also evil.

rbj on May 17, 2010 at 8:37 PM

Man – with a pissy pants administration like this serving up softballs for Sarah Palin to hit out of the park …

I’m telling you – I thought she was the only one with balls but it really doesn’t take balls to ping this amateur administration for the criticism it begs for.

What then, does this say for Mittens Romney – who won’t even grab a bat to pop low flying fastball out of the park?

I mean – if Palin can do it – why doesn’t Mitt? All he has to do is get his finger out of the wind and step up to the plate!

HondaV65 on May 17, 2010 at 8:39 PM

Palin takes out possible future rivals by spreading untrue rumours. That speaks volumes about her character.

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 7:47 PM

That’s a pretty hefty charge there. What proof can you offer to substantiate the claim?

jimmy2shoes on May 17, 2010 at 8:40 PM

portlandon has said he is a bitter ex-mormon.

PrezHussein on May 17, 2010 at 8:25 PM

And I have said I am proud to be a Mormon.

I am still allowed an opinion, right portlandon??????

I voted for Palin. But if she does something I disagree with I’m not lock step with her.

I don’t support anyone without criticism. Ever.

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 8:43 PM

Palin takes out possible future rivals by spreading untrue rumours. That speaks volumes about her character.

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 7:47 PM
That’s a pretty hefty charge there. What proof can you offer to substantiate the claim?

jimmy2shoes on May 17, 2010 at 8:40 PM

Read the posts leading up to that. Especially her supporters… who gave her motivation.

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 8:44 PM

Read the posts leading up to that. Especially her supporters… who gave her motivation.

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 8:44 PM

Is there an implication that she is spreading rumors about Huntsman? The tweet seems to imply to me that the question is rhetorical. Apologizing to the Chinese about Arizona’s common sense law is akin to apologizing to Hitler for issuing traffic tickets.

jimmy2shoes on May 17, 2010 at 8:53 PM

Brian1972 on May 17, 2010 at 8:36 PM

That is what is so distressing about this! Since when has an Ambassador been asked to make a war with the President? That isn’t in the job description! It is supposed to be a non-political post like the military! And Obama didn’t even directly say it. It was Pozner!

Why don’t we ask all the military who disagree with Obama to resign? It’s the same thing! He is supposed to represent the country–not a political point of view.

When you serve outside the country you are supposed to keep your personal opinions to yourself.

And yet Palin… why doesn’t she ask the military the same thing?

Because she doesn’t think they will run against her?

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 8:56 PM

Read the posts leading up to that. Especially her supporters… who gave her motivation.

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 8:44 PM
Is there an implication that she is spreading rumors about Huntsman? The tweet seems to imply to me that the question is rhetorical. Apologizing to the Chinese about Arizona’s common sense law is akin to apologizing to Hitler for issuing traffic tickets.

jimmy2shoes on May 17, 2010 at 8:53 PM

You have a good point. I was responding to her ardent suporters… it is they who said she said what she said to get rid of a rival. Of course they didn’t phrase it quite that directly.

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 8:58 PM

Where is Mitt? Has anyone seen or heard from him in the past few weeks? His book is down to #2,798 on Amazon.com while Going Rogue is still in the top 500 and Palin’s new book, which won’t be released until November, is #29.

The candidates Palin has endorsed are winners. Mitt went all out for Bennett and was booed by fellow Mormons.

When in the history of the country has a citizen with no title whatsoever been able to direct the diologue on so many fronts or had the courage to take on the President, the opposition, the media and even her own party?

Even if Sarah Palin is not elected President, she will be remembered as the mother of the conservative revolution.

bw222 on May 17, 2010 at 9:11 PM

I cannot believe we are even arguing about Palin’s statement. I am not a Palinista, but this was exactly my question, and John Hinderaker’s over at powerlineblog. Where the **** is Huntsman?? This left-wing pansy goon calumnies the Arizona people, his former border state fellow Republican Jan Brewer, the police in Arizona, and the majority of the American people who support this law. Huntsman just stands there and lets him do it.

My apologies to anyone who is defending him because he is a Mormon, but I think this guy Huntsman is just a wealthy liberal elitist who ran as a republican for governor in Utah so he could get elected. He’s also one who has cast aspersions on his fellow Republicans for not being centrist enough. I’m growing to detest him. Good riddance.

chris999 on May 17, 2010 at 9:20 PM

So the new line of attack against Palin is “She’s a gossip”?

I guess “She’s a quitter” ran out of steam.

tsj017 on May 17, 2010 at 9:28 PM

My apologies to anyone who is defending him because he is a Mormon, but I think this guy Huntsman is just a wealthy liberal elitist who ran as a republican for governor in Utah so he could get elected. He’s also one who has cast aspersions on his fellow Republicans for not being centrist enough. I’m growing to detest him. Good riddance.

chris999 on May 17, 2010 at 9:20 PM

I am the one accused of that, by apparently a rabid Anti.

Huntsman’s religion has nothing to do with anything.

Huntsman is an Ambassodor who did not say what Palin has led people to think he said.

HUNTSMAN didn’t say it. Neither did Hillary.

An Ambassador is, like the military, a non-partisan position. It is not his job to comment on policy.

I seriously doubt this is the official US policy, that we are now equal with China on human rights… if it is Huntsman probably will resign.

Should all the military resign because of Obama’s speech in Egypt? Or Holder’s refusal to admit the existence of radical Islam?

It is the same thing! Huntsman’s job is not about politics.

Palin is making Huntsman the scapegoat for Pozner. It is likely he doesn’t have a clue what is even being said. He is living in China, with his family of seven children, being the American ambassador, not making public statements about the Arizona law.

Palin was being stupid!

Since when is it the job of the Ambassador to China’s job to defend AZ’s immigration law? Or to say anything about it at all!

This whole thing is just stupid. I can’t understand what Palin thought she was doing. It is stupid.

Attack Obama and Pozner.

I really question Palin on this. It is just nonsensical.

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 9:33 PM

portlandon has said he is a bitter ex-mormon.
Try saying something good about Romney dude. Lets see if you can do it.

PrezHussein on May 17, 2010 at 8:25 PM

Well Dude, I’ll say that Mitt Romneys dedication to his family is to be admired. He is a good businessman, good husband, and is generous to causes he believes in.

He would be a better President than Obama.

portlandon on May 17, 2010 at 9:35 PM

portlandon on May 17, 2010 at 7:59 PM

Wow that’s impressive… it’s almost as though you have something against me personally.

Or religiously.

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 8:30 PM

I have nothing against you personally petunia. I just like to know who I am talking to. I have looked at your past comments here at HotAir in order to get a better feeling of what kind of Conservative you are.

I just noticed a great number of your posts regarding Romney and Huntsman have to do with Mormonism, and that fact that you are Mormon. I haven’t found any comments you being critical of Romney or Huntsman. Just praise for them, and always linking it to Mormonism.

I also see you don’t like the conservative party, and would rather join up with the Colin Powell wing of the Republican party.See:

Colin Powell: I belong to the Republican Party that’s “waiting to emerge”

And your response:

But me too, Colin. This party is a mess. Where do I sign up for that party?

petunia on May 20, 2009 at 9:28 PM

It’s statements like this that make me doubt you.

portlandon on May 17, 2010 at 9:42 PM

Seriously, what have they done on foreign policy that’s more loathsome than this?

How many of you feel the same way I do about this question? In Obama’s box of chocolates, all of the loathsomes run together after awhile. I’m numb.

disa on May 17, 2010 at 9:43 PM

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 9:33 PM

Huntsman has been mentioned as a future GOP presidential candidate. He is not just any ambassador. He is a prominent Republican, and recently a governor of a state with a significant illegal population. But you have a point when you say Obama needs to also be made to account for this statement. And Hillary, too, since she is his boss.

chris999 on May 17, 2010 at 9:44 PM

petunia,
Huntsman approved of Posner bringing up the Arizona law with China because “that’s a mature way to negotiate. We bring up our problems to get them to admit theirs.”

Actually I’m paraphrasing and not quoting but the quote is laid out in a comment a 8:00 by onlineanalyst. That is an amateurish way to negotiate. Kind of like rolling over on your belly.

Vince on May 17, 2010 at 9:45 PM

Palin is pretty opportunistic, I think. Nothing wrong with that. She’s ingratiating herself with Tea Party folks like the ones that deposed Bennett. Huntsman and Bennett are kindred spirits.

chris999 on May 17, 2010 at 9:52 PM

Kind of like rolling over on your belly.

Vince on May 17, 2010 at 9:45 PM

exposing your belly!

Vince on May 17, 2010 at 9:55 PM

My outrage against Obama is somewhat tempered by the reaction of Palin. Misfire.

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 7:44 PM

We know you don’t like Palin

We know you like Mittens

We know you are being deliberately obtuse

Okay you’ve done your job…now just give it a break…

CCRWM on May 17, 2010 at 9:56 PM

portlandon on May 17, 2010 at 7:52 PM

Wow you pwned petunia! Good catch…

CCRWM on May 17, 2010 at 9:59 PM

I mean – if Palin can do it – why doesn’t Mitt? All he has to do is get his finger out of the wind and step up to the plate!

HondaV65 on May 17, 2010 at 8:39 PM

Mitt thinks Palin is going to be destroyed…I mean she is fighting the Liberal Socialist Democrats and the Beltway GOP Elites… He thinks she’ll get taken out and he’ll step in…NOT GONNA HAPPEN!

CCRWM on May 17, 2010 at 10:12 PM

Colin Powell: I belong to the Republican Party that’s “waiting to emerge”

And your response:

But me too, Colin. This party is a mess. Where do I sign up for that party?

petunia on May 20, 2009 at 9:28 PM
It’s statements like this that make me doubt you.

portlandon on May 17, 2010 at 9:42 PM

It’s statements like this that make me doubt you.

portlandon on May 17, 2010 at 9:42 PM

Man alive you are creepy!

What exactly do you doubt? That I am a person with a right to an opinion? That I have from time to time been unhappy with the Republican party? That I don’t follow what ever you support? That makes me suspect? Of what?

I did support Romney in the Presidential campaign… after leaving Huckabee. That makes me suspect of….. what? What?

I think if you read all the crap you pulled about me I did respond when someone knocked the church. Yep. Guilty.

I thought Palin was off base to ask an Abassador to publically reputiate someone at State who is his boss.

I disagree with Palin and you do a search on me? That is just creepy! You are a weirdo stalker person.

I just hope you aren’t violent. And this is why people don’t use their real names online. I’m double locking my door tonight. And we do keep guns in the house.

Geez you have creeped me out. My skin is just crawling.

You Antis are just scary weird.

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 10:15 PM

We know you don’t like Palin

We know you like Mittens

We know you are being deliberately obtuse

Okay you’ve done your job…now just give it a break…

CCRWM on May 17, 2010 at 9:56 PM

I don’t support Mitt! I did. But I don’t like what he’s said about healthcare…. do a damn search on that!

You do not do a service to Palin by doing this.

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 10:17 PM

OH and for the most part I do like Palin. I just disagree on this! I voted for Palin! I think because of weirdos like you she will never be president.

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 10:18 PM

CCRWM on May 17, 2010 at 9:59 PM

You would praise someone like this?

He did a search and pulled out times when I talked about my church? You support that? You support that? What is wrong with you?

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 10:20 PM

etunia,
Huntsman approved of Posner bringing up the Arizona law with China because “that’s a mature way to negotiate. We bring up our problems to get them to admit theirs.”

Actually I’m paraphrasing and not quoting but the quote is laid out in a comment a 8:00 by onlineanalyst. That is an amateurish way to negotiate. Kind of like rolling over on your belly.

Vince on May 17, 2010 at 9:45 PM

I saw that Pozner characterized it that way. I didn’t see where anyone else characterized it that way. I see people putting words in his mouth and calling on him to resign.

Over this.

And Palin is one of them.

I’m sorry I dont’ think he should resign because of what Pozner said.

Now if he really believes that America and China are equal because of the AZ law then yeah he should resign but I seriously doubt that!!!!

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 10:26 PM

You support that? You support that? What is wrong with you?

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 10:20 PM

You know what is sad? The fact that you can’t ever argue points regarding Palin that have anything to do with facts.

You come into a Palin thread, leave your little droppings of “I think she over reached” or other little cute swipes, all while you have been intellectually dishonest the whole time. You have an agenda, and I called you out on it.

Your statements are fact. And Facts are stubborn things.

Your own comments from the past show that you have had a problem with Sarah Palin since August 26th, 2008. The day that she was chosen as a VP candidate instead of your guy Mitt Romney.

Don’t get angry with me, when I point out your own words to you. I have put forth my hypothesis as to why you always seem to have a “problem” with Palin.

Deal with it.

portlandon on May 17, 2010 at 10:27 PM

Sarah is hunting RINO, and the rinocerii are in hiding. Bennett gone; Huntsman targeted. Now, where is that candy-ass RINO Mitt Romneycare? Come out, come out, wherever you are. Mama Grizzly wants a word with you….

james23 on May 17, 2010 at 10:30 PM

portlandon on May 17, 2010 at 10:27 PM

I have reconciled myself to my conclusion that Sarah Palin will always have high unfavorables because you either love her or despise her. There is little in-between.

Cite any superstar and you will find the same phenomenon exists with him or her.

technopeasant on May 17, 2010 at 10:35 PM

Huntsman should resign, but he won’t because he’s an unprincipled coward. Zero in, Sarah.

james23 on May 17, 2010 at 10:39 PM

Excellent post, Allah. Palin is indeed filling a vacuum on the right these days.

It’s beginning to dawn on the left that Mama Bear Palin is waking up a whole lot of other conservative mama bears.

NebCon on May 17, 2010 at 10:41 PM

The press is so busy chasing anti-immigration law stories that they totally ignored this one.

AnninCA on May 17, 2010 at 10:43 PM

Cuda’s feet must be getting tired from having to walk this administration out to the woodshed two or three times a week. Dang, she’s good! Looking forward to a FB post on this. Hopefully it will count as a “serious policy discussion,” since she’s routinely accused of not offering enough of that.

Crickets from the other 2012 hopefuls I notice — no surprise there tho.

NoLeftTurn on May 17, 2010 at 10:45 PM

portlandon on May 17, 2010 at 10:27 PM

Since you have selectively pick some times when you thought I was doing some kind of agenda thing against Sarah this is what I said on August 30th 2008. A time when you accuse me of hating Sarah:

Okay my bitter snip about Huck is over.

I truly think this was a masterful stroke by McCain. I live in AZ and supported McCain in 2000. But he became a truly self-serving senator between then and now. So it is taking me awhile to get behind him again. But that pick was brilliant. It had purpose beyond rewarding any group of the party. Palin truly does represent a CHANGE of American politics.

My daughter asked me this morning if I thought a University of Idaho graduate in Journalism could ever really be President. She said she doesn’t have an education even as good as yours and mine. (We both graduated from “better” schools.)

Hmmm that would truly change America wouldn’t it. If the top politicians didn’t have to come from the Ivy league (or elite military). And if inate intellegence untrained by graduate school but trained instead by caring for an American family.

That is the change I am looking for! Common sense government. Built on the God given lifestyle of America.

petunia on August 30, 2008 at 2:40 PM

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 10:50 PM

Petunia…. your elicit this reaction from people because you make statements such as for example that Palin is spreading false rumors. When asked to back that up you don’t… Because you never have a good thing to say about Palin but you do about Mitt so..and portlander is pointing out that your prior statements seem to demonstrate you arent a conservative…

CCRWM on May 17, 2010 at 10:56 PM

I can and I will continue to agree or disagree with Palin and everyone else.

You are a scary weird sort of nut. You are everything wrong with this country.

You don’t know me. You tried to portray me negatively by pulling things I said in the past you thought reflected badly on me.

Propagandists do that. Not honest people.

You are not an honest person.

And I have read a bit more and Huntsman was more involved in the statement than I first thought.

I still don’t think Palin was fair demanding he reputiate Obama and resign to prove to her he is a conservative. That is quite a litmus test! And some people think quiting a job for personal reasons is a bad thing.

And people it is not Huntsman’s statement it is Pozsner’s!

That’s the problem! Huntsman has been smeared. By someone who should know better!

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 10:58 PM

Petunia…. your elicit this reaction from people because you make statements such as for example that Palin is spreading false rumors. When asked to back that up you don’t… Because you never have a good thing to say about Palin but you do about Mitt so..and portlander is pointing out that your prior statements seem to demonstrate you arent a conservative…

CCRWM on May 17, 2010 at 10:56 PM

How many think Huntsman made the statement?

Why do they think that?

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 10:59 PM

You would praise someone like this?

He did a search and pulled out times when I talked about my church? You support that? You support that? What is wrong with you?

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 10:20 PM

Like I said you elicit this response with your behavior… I don’t know what to say about Mormonism because I know its full history and not the revisionist version of late… but I’ll leave it at that because I know that there are posters here who are Mormon and I don’t feel like getting into it with them… and it stop with the hyperbole…it’s not helping you…

CCRWM on May 17, 2010 at 11:01 PM

Who appointed you people as a judge over everyonelse’s conservatism?

You are not anymore conservative than anyone else!

You do not define conservative!!!!!!!

Have you never been unhappy with the party? Really?

What’s his face pulled out a statement I made when I was unhappy with the party.

I am always conservative. But I am not always intolerant of people who don’t think just like me.

Believe this creep who did the search on me all you want. If that’s the people you hang with you are as dispicable as he/she is.

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 11:03 PM

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 10:50 PM

“I like Palin but…..”

Yikes! That is the MO they are using. Wow. I like the Palin’s but they don’t seem to be suspicious enough of others to avoid all the likely pitfalls. The truth can get twisted so easily.

petunia on September 16, 2008 at 6:40 PM

Mostly I like Palin and all, but when she does stuff like this it makes it hard for me to see her in the Whitehouse. There is just a lack of seriousness that bothers me.

petunia on April 12, 2010 at 12:31 PM

You have an agenda. Yes. We get it.

portlandon on May 17, 2010 at 11:05 PM

CCRWM on May 17, 2010 at 11:01 PM

Why do most of the people here think Huntsman said what Posner said?

Did Palin spread a false rumour or didn’t she? She gave the impression that the words came from Huntsman.

That is called gossip. I say what I think.

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 11:07 PM

How many think Huntsman made the statement?

Why do they think that?

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 10:59 PM

Only the ones who can’t read what was said to the Chinese…

All Huntsman has to do is disavow the statement from Pozner. He is the Ambassador to China you know… I beleive he was sitting right there when the statments were brought up “early and often”…

CCRWM on May 17, 2010 at 11:10 PM

You have an agenda. Yes. We get it.

portlandon on May 17, 2010 at 11:05 PM

What agenda is that? I think what I said is pretty straight forward. Why is it an agenda? Sometimes I agree with her sometimes I don’t. Once I think I said she should get a voice coach…. wow that’s a pretty scary agenda there.

Another poster pointed out your past. I bet it is really really ugly.

I’m not going to search you. You aren’t worth it.

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 11:12 PM

AZ’s pro-border security law invokes apology to China(w/its human rights violations)by U.S. State Dept;Surely Ambassador Huntsman disagrees?

petunia please point out where Sarah says Huntsman said it because all I see here is her asking him if he agrees with it…

CCRWM on May 17, 2010 at 11:12 PM

I am always conservative.

petunia on May 17, 2010 at 11:03 PM

Colin Powell: I belong to the Republican Party that’s “waiting to emerge”

But me too, Colin. This party is a mess. Where do I sign up for that party?

petunia on May 20, 2009 at 9:28 PM

Wanting to Join Colin Powell, the “conservative” who voted and endorsed Obama?

portlandon on May 17, 2010 at 11:15 PM

Petuna -

Sarah Palin started no false rumors. The headline was AP’s, not Palin’s. She simply twittered: “AZ’s pro-border security law invokes apology to China(w/its human rights violations)by U.S. State Dept;Surely Ambassador Huntsman disagrees?” She accused Huntsman of nothing.

Since Huntsman is Ambassador to China, I am sure Palin presumes Posner discussed this with him before Posner made the comments to the Chinese.

I don’t know what your problem with Palin is, but you certainly seem to have one. I, for one, am proud of Palin for having the courage to bring this out. She has a knack for making the aware of things that would otherwise be swept under the rug.

bw222 on May 17, 2010 at 11:21 PM

To Allah: Best post ever by America’s best=known RINO in the blogosphere. Congratulations! Concur whole-heartedly with your sentiments.

sanantonian on May 17, 2010 at 11:24 PM

This LadyBoy thinks he’s going to deliver us into the hands of our enemies. this LadyBoy is wrong. This LadyBoy doesn’t know what he is doing, so it is time that he feigns an illness or Ummchelle feigns a pregnancy and it’s time to step down, step aside and git back to organizing communitays in Detroit.

Key West Reader on May 17, 2010 at 7:04 PM

Actually our bigger fear is that this ladyboy DOES know what he is doing and is doing so very deliberately. Chilling.

karenhasfreedom on May 17, 2010 at 11:25 PM

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