Uh oh: Arizona starting to feel the pinch from boycotts
posted at 8:02 pm on May 14, 2010 by Allahpundit
Acknowledging that Arizona has developed a serious image problem because of its tough new immigration law, Gov. Jan Brewer and tourism-industry leaders said Thursday that they will launch a new effort to stanch the flow of lost trade and convention business in the state…
“It’s up to us to get the truth out there. This is impacting Arizona’s face to the nation,” said Brewer, who blamed the controversy on misconceptions about the law…
To date, dozens of cities and groups have announced boycotts. Arizona has lost at least 30 to 40 meetings and conventions, she said…
As part of their effort, officials plan to revive a past campaign that encourages Arizonans to take advantages of specials and deals and vacation within the state. How to rebrand the state to potential visitors has not yet been decided.
A big issue, Johnson said, is “tentative” bookings and new business, those groups that have indicated they were interested in coming here between 2011 and 2015 but are now refusing to sign contracts.
“We’re hearing from our sales people in the hotels and resorts, that people aren’t returning their calls anymore – that they don’t even want to talk to Arizonans,” she said.
Brewer seems to think it’s a matter of correcting misperceptions about the law. It’s not, though. For one thing, the left isn’t interested in the facts about this. That was my point yesterday about Holder admitting that he hasn’t read the statute. If he reads it then he’s accountable for smearing it; better to stay ignorant and smear away for as long as possible and then, when called on it, grudgingly chalk it up to being misinformed. Besides, ever since the law was amended to ban racial profiling, the critique has shifted to how it’ll be applied in practice by cops, not how it looks on the page. Even if it’s found constitutional — and it very well may be — it’ll take months of proper enforcement by Arizona police before that point can be factually challenged. For another thing, there’s too much political skin in this game for the hysterics to relax. A Univision poll shows that 67 percent of Latinos oppose the law even though national majorities are strongly in favor. Democrats aren’t going to pass amnesty this year so screaming “Nazi!” is their best chance to lock in Hispanic voters for the midterms and beyond. Look at it this way: When you’ve got the Simon Wiesenthal Center issuing statements deploring the sort of rhetoric being tossed at Arizona, you’re way too far into Godwinland ever to make it back out.
As a wise man once said, you can’t reason a man out of that which he wasn’t reasoned into, so rather than trying to politely explain the virtues of the law, they’d better start thinking about reciprocal boycotts. Take a piece of California’s ass economically and let state officials over there deal with the headaches of their own business leaders. And at some point, some high-profile Arizona pol really should call the bluff of sanctuary cities by offering to release captured illegals into their custody in lieu of deporting them. If Gavin Newsom and Mike Bloomberg and Antonio Villaraigosa are all so hot to welcome the “undocumented,” fantastic: Arizona’s got an endless supply and will be happy to provide however many to San Francisco and New York and L.A. that they’d like. In fact, as loathsome as I find McCain’s immigration pandering, I’ll applaud even if he’s the one who spearheads this idea. These sanctimonious lawless left-wing hypocrites must have their bluffs called. All the illegals they want, coming right up. Just say the word.
Speaking of left-wing hypocrites, here’s another one musing about the fact that “Technically, it is not illegal to be illegal in Massachusetts.” Well, great! If I was an illegal stuck in the perpetual sun lamp that is Phoenix, I’d love a free ride to Boston. How about it, Gov. Patrick?
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This is going to get worse before it gets better. It’s desperately important that the governor and people of Arizona go to mat for this, as we must do. The Left is filled with a sense of power and entitlement as never before, but senses the new mood in the air, feels the country turning against them. They’re scared, and enraged. Shrieking and name-calling and dirty tricks and ruthless, bullying power politics is all they know, and all we’re going to see from them from here on in. They don’t have any Plan B. They know it’s now or never for them. If they can beat this bill lifeless and smear its backers and wreck Arizona in the process, they win, and know it. Just like with the Islamics, intimidation will have won. Who else will risk the abuse? Arizona is ground zero.
rrpjr on May 14, 2010 at 8:52 PM
I’m in Vegas right now and have decided to drive to the Grand Canyon just because of this idiotic “boycott.”
ScottMcC on May 14, 2010 at 8:53 PM
What if they just offer free,one way, bus rides to these places. No one is in custody and no need to check identification as no one has broken the law.
bluemarlin on May 14, 2010 at 8:54 PM
Hey no illegals here!
sonnyspats1 on May 14, 2010 at 8:57 PM
How many of those meetings and conventions were cancelled because they found out that Phoenix was the kidnapping capital of the USA?
Once the Illegals leave Arizona, the tourists will flock to Arizona for years.
Stay strong Arizona! We support you!
wren on May 14, 2010 at 8:58 PM
Our plans for the weekend may include a trip to PF Changs for the best oriental food ever, dessert at ColdStone Creamery, and a quick stop at Circle K on the way home. Tomorrow we may need a U-Haul trailer, prior to an overnight stay at BestWestern. No doubt we will work with GoDaddy on a project or two at some point. Check out some more possibilities at http://www.buycottarizona.com/BUYcott_Support.html
indypat on May 14, 2010 at 8:59 PM
This article is amusing. Two points:
http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2010/05/04/could-arizona-flap-affect-big-12-bowls/
1. Is anyone from Oklahoma really sure they want to comment on this, given some of their anti-illegal laws they’ve passed?
2. Given how well Alabama travels, I’m willing to venture that the ’91 Fiesta Bowl was one of the bowl’s more profitable years. Even with the 7-4 record and the shellacking at the hands of Louisville, which I’ll bet brought a few fans of their own.
BradSchwartze on May 14, 2010 at 9:00 PM
If this law can keep illegals and liberals the hell out of Arizona, the temporary pain will be well worth it.
Of course, the biggest reason for any future tourism drop-off will be due to Obama’s war of destruction against the free-market economy.
John Doe on May 14, 2010 at 9:02 PM
dont forget you can carry concealed here without a permit now too
offroadaz on May 14, 2010 at 9:05 PM
If Arizona backs down from this fight, you might as well hand Obamao the constitution so he can shred it, and hand the illegals the keys to this country, because they will own it.
I hope not – I hope Gov. Brewer and the State of Arizona stand strong.
Meanwhile, I’ll be eating lumpia and watching with interest…
Timothy S. Carlson on May 14, 2010 at 9:06 PM
That is exactly what I was thinking. It is going to trickle down to all of them that have jobs. They can thank the leftys.
wi farmgirl on May 14, 2010 at 9:06 PM
One way to support Arizona, is to plan a vacation around some of our great gun training facilities. My favorite is Gunsite up in Prescott.
John Doe on May 14, 2010 at 9:08 PM
I went to Arizona today and spent $5 at Taco Bell. I didn’t see any Nazis. In fact, I was with my aunt who was born in Mexico. She didn’t get deported.
Mark1971 on May 14, 2010 at 9:09 PM
Coakley is a joke.
Viper1 on May 14, 2010 at 9:10 PM
And in bars too….as long as you don’t drink. Libs at a cow over this new law.
John Doe on May 14, 2010 at 9:10 PM
Why do Leftists like human trafficking and rape so much? They just love it.
WarEagle01 on May 14, 2010 at 9:11 PM
Does anybody know which companies have cancelled their conventions? I want to boycott them.
tinkerthinker on May 14, 2010 at 9:12 PM
Jan walked into the valley
With her duty and the truth clutched in her hand
She was only a girl, but she knew
Someone must take a stand
There will always be a valley
Always mountains one must scale
There will always be perilous waters
Which someone must sail
Into darkness, into danger
Into storms that rip the night
Never give in, never give up
But give thanks that you can the invaders fight!
Someone has to face the valley
Rush in, you have to rally and win, Arizonians
When the Child Emperor is saying not to
By God, you know you’ve got to march on, Arizonians
Never hold back your step for a moment
Never doubt that your courage will grow
Yes, it’s higher and higher
And into the fight against the tryrant you go!
PercyB on May 14, 2010 at 9:14 PM
What if they just offer free,one way, bus rides to these places. No one is in custody and no need to check identification as no one has broken the law.
bluemarlin on May 14, 2010 at 8:54 PM
Hmmmm, interesting point, but then we may be fighting the Law of Unintended Consequences. If I were trying to enter this country illegally, then I would make Arizona my point of entry in order to get that free ride to sanctuary.
Might work, though ;)
neobadger on May 14, 2010 at 9:16 PM
I trust we can include Pei Wei in that list, I think they’re an offshoot of PF Chang’s? My town isn’t big enough to have a Chang’s but the Pei Wei does a brisk business.
Eren on May 14, 2010 at 9:16 PM
It’s almost painful for me to say, but damn AP, you nailed it this time.
Mr. Grump on May 14, 2010 at 9:18 PM
What a bizarre world we live in.
I find that I must support Arizona in defending a law that I think is a bad law, simply because if I don’t support them I’d end up allying myself with the thuggish philosophy that anytime a law passes that I don’t agree with that I have the right to lie, scream, and intimidate the majority into submitting to my will.
I’m watching the attack on Lars Vilks right now and I find this situation analogous to that one.
I am sick of our elites thinking that after decades of failure on their part to a pressing problem that they can just make the American people shut up by screaming “bigot” at them.
Sackett on May 14, 2010 at 9:20 PM
A week ago, a lot of us were taking the PHX Suns to task over “Los Suns.” Now that the Suns have, more or less, made up for that by sweeping the Spurs, I’m starting to think how delicious it would be should the Suns win the NBA title.
That, alone, would more than make up for any perceived “losses” from “cancelled” meetings.
BradSchwartze on May 14, 2010 at 9:21 PM
There are thousands of individual home rentals, as well as hotel rooms, that should go unoccupied this Summer when Arizonians decide not to come to the coast…
… I hear Montana is beautiful this time of the year.
Suck on it Los Angeles…
Seven Percent Solution on May 14, 2010 at 9:23 PM
Sackett on May 14, 2010 at 9:20 PM
Interesting though that even many critics of law admit that most of the law will be ruled constitutional. So overall it is good law. In fact I wonder what your issue is?
CWforFreedom on May 14, 2010 at 9:29 PM
….which is a perfectly legitimate critique. As is the preemption critique.
There definitely have been misperceptions and sometimes flat-out lies about the law. But that doesn’t change the fact that it is in fact, a stupid, stupid law.
I remember someone here saying “well I had concerns about the law, but the reaction to it has been so over the top that I find myself defending it”. That’s ridiculous. Don’t let some of the hyperbole around the law obscure the fact that it will almost certainly lead to arbitrary and discriminatory enforcement, and that it is likely unconstitutional.
crr6 on May 14, 2010 at 9:29 PM
They should sue people like Obama and Holder for spreading misinformation and exacerbating the state’s problems.
Daggett on May 14, 2010 at 9:33 PM
We in Nevada don’t have to worry about negative publicity, we have Barrack Obama to provide that for us.
Mojave Mark on May 14, 2010 at 9:34 PM
Morons. This is the fault of the lame stream media, the lame, ignorant administration, and the fact that we let a minority radical group run roughshod over us. The 1st amendment is for them, not for us?
Buy guns!
ultracon on May 14, 2010 at 9:38 PM
California is not boycotting Arizona. LA, SanFran and Sacramento are boycotting AZ. Refusing to buy California wine isn’t going to accomplish much. Also, LA gets a very small percentage of it’s water from AZ. Most of the water comes from Sierras. As for the electricity, the electrical grid will just adjust for the loss of power from AZ. I live in California and NONE of my water or electricity comes from AZ.
speed911 on May 14, 2010 at 9:38 PM
Not an Arizonan here, but I suspect it’s probably better to visit if you can than buy products – it’s the hospitality industry that’s going to suffer from all these travel boycotts. The national companies will do just fine – rank & file people across the US are still gonna go to their PetsMart & Cold Stone Creamery, for example. But the loss of conventions & tourists in-state is going to have a direct impact.
I was just there last fall, but I am going back out there for no other reason except to stay in hotels. Lots of ‘em out there are family owned (particularly mom & pop resort ranches, but even some venerable citified institutions like the Arizona Inn in Tucson) & their profit margins are small enough as it is – the idea of them taking a big hit from this, even if the boycott is short-lived, is heartbreaking.
It’s gonna be hotter ‘n hell out there shortly, but what the hey, the horseback riding will still be fun in the early morning & the carne seca will be fantastic.
But maybe the very best thing of all is that it’s the one place in the country right now where we’re 100% guaranteed there won’t be any obnoxious liberals around. Now that’s a real vacation. ;-) Yippy!
leilani on May 14, 2010 at 9:39 PM
Hit em where it really hurts, LMAO
BOYCOTT * PELOSI’S * WINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Remember her ‘vineyards’ not to mention employing slave labor illegal alien workers
lilspitfire on May 14, 2010 at 9:40 PM
If Arizona can’t weather this storm then we will know that we have effectively been conquered by Mexico from within.
Game over MAN! GAME OVER!
Our knew over lords will not be kind.
TheSitRep on May 14, 2010 at 9:50 PM
Definitely Obama’s war on economy, I know of a regular sharholder meeting always held in Arizona, which was cancelled half a year ago to save some cash, way before any laws arizona passed.
anikol on May 14, 2010 at 9:55 PM
Has anyone done the math on projected savings to Arizona from reduced costs due to illegals vs. potential lost revenue from boycotts?
opaobie on May 14, 2010 at 10:05 PM
Good question – The reason they canceled was because of perceived bad publicity. How would they react to publicized customer anger at their political stance – and how would their stockholders react?
Oopsdaisy on May 14, 2010 at 10:06 PM
How about a money bomb or telethon for AZ? I’d contribute in a heartbeat. Rush could emcee.(:
redridinghood on May 14, 2010 at 10:10 PM
crr6 on May 14, 2010 at 9:29 PM
There definitely have been misperceptions and sometimes flat-out lies about the law. But that doesn’t change the fact that it is in fact, a stupid, stupid law.
Hmmm , again logic seams to absent in your reasoning, because you find it stupid, does not make your assertion of stupidity a fact. A lefty favorite has always been the asumtive close, sorry no sale champ. In the late 90′s/early 00′s this techinique was employed ad nauseum in the canned phrase “..the fact of the matter is….” Thereby presumtively declaring the merit of whatever drivel spewed forth after.
crr6 your efforts as a troll are off tonight, but I have wonderful idea how you can make up for it and prove your dedication to Dear Leader. Taking into account that in actual fact, the AZ law is so tame that that violation of it is only a misdemeanor, where as the long standind Federal version makes violation there of a felony! Given this injustice being greater by an order of magnitude that AZ’s law, perhaps you ought consider by boycotting America?
You can start immediately, by leaving!
Archimedes on May 14, 2010 at 10:12 PM
Taking the family to the Grand Canyon next summer. Better make my reservations soon!
ctmom on May 14, 2010 at 10:16 PM
Well one thing we could do to make up the loss is cut all welfare to illegals(I know they’re not supposed to get any but LaRaza shows them how to game the system in their ethnic studies)
And I did see one AZ. businessman say he would change from a CA. business he deals with to another state.
Does anyone but me feel like these people are like children, it’s no wonder CA. is broke and that saddens me as I still have friends in CA. but they are in the minority, they are Americans and conservative.
concernedsenior on May 14, 2010 at 10:16 PM
Yes we need the names of these companies doing the boycotting. They need to feel the other side of the hand.
jeanie on May 14, 2010 at 10:17 PM
All you idiots that want to punish me in the Inland Empire for Tony Villars stupidity, shame on you.I need water and energy, so you will punish me for the wrongs of of LA?. I live closer to AZ than SF, but I am to be punished for san fran nan? Get a Clue, and I already support AZ, I got family there, Good Day,
Bob
Bobnormal on May 14, 2010 at 10:17 PM
We are a country of laws. Unless the law is changed by way of the legal process, immigrants must obey the law. If we allow any of our laws to become meaningless, it will have a domino effect. First this law, then that law.. Anybody with an ounce of common sense will recognize this.
Keemo on May 14, 2010 at 10:18 PM
Bobnormal on May 14, 2010 at 10:17 PM
Ummmm, actually what we want is for our government to protect it’s people and uphold the laws of our land. Seems like some cities in California and other states are suggesting and promoting a boycott of Arizona. Vent you anger on them.
Keemo on May 14, 2010 at 10:21 PM
This is wrong. Boycotting the boycotters won’t work in the short, or the economic long run. Cooler heads must prevail. The correct procedure for Arizona is to batten down their hatches and weather out this passing uneducated storm.
Americannodash on May 14, 2010 at 10:21 PM
Bobnormal on May 14, 2010 at 10:17 PM
OMT: California, New York, and Michigan have no room to tell any other state what to do or how to go about doing it. Talk about three states that have been run into the ground by Liberals and a voting block that deserves the dunce of the century award…
Keemo on May 14, 2010 at 10:24 PM
Did you see the Arizona iced tea people are now eager to get the word out that they’re a … Brooklyn company?
happyfeet on May 14, 2010 at 10:26 PM
You got that right, brother…
… Reminds me of out of work, near homeless, divorced, and so far in debt they don’t care anymore guys that I once met at a bar that I don’t go to anymore.
Seven Percent Solution on May 14, 2010 at 10:31 PM
Pressuring these companies worked before in the Letterman debacle and it will work again. And..we’ll never know unless we try.
jeanie on May 14, 2010 at 10:32 PM
It’s “stupid, stupid” because it just might work as intended.
ddrintn on May 14, 2010 at 10:33 PM
Are sanctuary laws constitutional ?
macncheez on May 14, 2010 at 10:36 PM
Give me a break. To the Democrats, any law that would stanch the flow of illegal immigrants is “arbitrary and discriminatory”. It’s about voting blocs; the laws already on the books be damned.
ddrintn on May 14, 2010 at 10:36 PM
I hope Arizona decides to see this through no matter what. The short-term effects of the boycott may be tough, but continuing to tolerate an unabated stream of illegal aliens is far worse. It’s a pity that many of the left are too busy screaming, “DUR DUR RACE RACE RACE DUR DUR” to see that Arizona’s in the middle of a crisis that they have to resolve by whatever means are necessary.
Finally, everyone who partook in this boycott against Arizona is a twit. Just you wait until your state suffers from the same problems Arizona is, libtards. See if you’re so smug and judgmental then.
R. Waher on May 14, 2010 at 10:38 PM
What “sanctuary laws”? Are you referring to “sanctuary cities”? If so, those generally involve de facto policies (like city govt. telling local police not to inquire about immigrations status), so no. Remember, state authorities aren’t required to arrest or detain illegal immigrants under federal law (that would probably be unconstitutional under the 10th amendment anyway), they’re just authorized to do so under certain circumstances. So if they choose not to do so, they’re not in conflict with federal law.
Hope that helps.
crr6 on May 14, 2010 at 10:43 PM
I think this crr6 creature is a hired commenter; paid by ACORN or a like organization. Nobody could be this stupid.
Keemo on May 14, 2010 at 10:43 PM
Great post.
hillbillyjim on May 14, 2010 at 10:46 PM
All people and organizations who are symethetic to Arizona need to cancel all their buisness and bookings to California, Massachusetts, Illinois and whatever other states and organizations that are boycotting Arizona, and send all their business to Arizona.
It’s that simple.
If everyone does this, then Arizona gains way more than they lose and it’s the other state’s losses.
So book your conventions, getaways and vacations in Arizona and look for the right Arizona businesses for you business needs. Screw California. They’re a lost cause and they’re going down. Hasten their demise.
OxyCon on May 14, 2010 at 10:46 PM
Yes, I like your post. Let’s get to it. We need names!!! I have already cancelled my trip to Falmouth in MA and will not book another or spend money there until this foolishness stops. I’m even sorry I may have to travel through it. You may be sure I will not even stop for gas or coffee on the way.
jeanie on May 14, 2010 at 10:53 PM
I think this crr6 creature is a hired commenter; paid by ACORN or a like organization. Nobody could be this stupid.
Keemo on May 14, 2010 at 10:43 PM
Dude, like that’s a given, there’s always a dead give away of the paid troll(most likely by OforA)thats the selective response methodology, whenever confronted with demonstable refutation of a position they’ll shift their commentary to address someone else and pretend that comment never happened. If boxed in by multiple peeps pointing out thye negligence to resond to the point made they fall back on their default accusation of racism, or shift to another thread.
crr6 has been playing this game here for quite some time and thus entirely predictable.
crr6= troll + tool= trool.
Archimedes on May 14, 2010 at 11:06 PM
Keeewwwlll…
… Thanks for the great argument to abolish all ‘affirmative action’ laws.
You are going to make a great lawyer!
Seven Percent Solution on May 14, 2010 at 11:06 PM
You do have a way with words.
I like your idea of sending illegals to sanctuary cities. But why ask permission now? If they truly are sanctuary cities, why would they mind?
But cutting off water and juice to Cali is a good idea. When someone is kidnapping, raping and murdering your wife and kids, you do not back down because of a slow down in conventions. You can only escalate.
snaggletoothie on May 14, 2010 at 11:08 PM
Keeewwwlll…
… Thanks for the great argument to abolish all “affirmative” a-c-t-i-on laws.
Maybe someday, you are going to make a fair lawyer…
Seven Percent Solution on May 14, 2010 at 11:08 PM
I hear ya! People have such a narrow perception of California. Yeah, the libtards keep electing morons, but a HUGE number of Californians are conservative. So let’s hate on every state that has morons in control and insult the entire population of that state. Let’s wish for every state that elects a libtard to office to fall into the ocean….or let’s offer to give that state to Mexico. Never mind the people in that state who hate the libtards and what they are doing. Never mind that those same people are doing everything they can to change the direction of their state.
speed911 on May 14, 2010 at 11:09 PM
In which case it’s incumbent upon the federal government to enforce its own laws, which it has not been doing.
ddrintn on May 14, 2010 at 11:09 PM
Dude if that’s true, 99% of the commenters here are paid trolls.
crr6 on May 14, 2010 at 11:09 PM
Funny. Guess who blocks immigration reform every time it comes up? The loudest proponents of Arizona’s law, of course.
And of course that’s not even addressing your proposition that if states feel that the federal government is failing to do their job, they’re entitled to intervene. That’s stupid. How would you like it if states could make their own foreign policies simply because they didn’t like the foreign policy of the federal government?
You guys always say we have a federalist system of government. You’re not acting like you believe that.
crr6 on May 14, 2010 at 11:13 PM
Yeah that red herring only works if I mentioned race. Which I didn’t.
crr6 on May 14, 2010 at 11:14 PM
That’s because “immigration reform” to Democrats is no reform at all. It’s amnesty coupled with the same half-ass “dedication” to border security. Enough with that laughable farce. We’ve been there already.
If the federal government were as half-assed about foreign policy as they are about protecting the borders, the states would probably HAVE to do something on their own.
ddrintn on May 14, 2010 at 11:18 PM
No supporting evidence to support your allegation champ, I happen to have contact with some outside of the HA threads and are aware of their day jobs.
AYou on the other hand have yet to explain why you won’t boycott the federal law which makes the trangression in question a FELONY, where as your panties are all in a bunch over the AZ law which is only a MISDEMEANOR! If there were any consistency on your part you’d boycott the USA, turn in your passport, renounce citizenship and be on your merry way elsware.
But, we’ve come to expect your convenient lack of consistency and avoidance of logical reasoning. You might ask for a transfer from your masters, as the gig up with your spiel on HA. Perhaps you might prove more effective elsewhere,… perhaps.
Archimedes on May 14, 2010 at 11:19 PM
That’s what elections are for. If you feel the federal government isn’t doing it’s job, get a majority of the electorate to agree with you, and then get them to vote in people who will do the job. Having states encroach on federal powers is both stupid and unconstitutional.
Again, get enough people to agree with you and pass immigration reform you like. That’s how the system works. Take it or leave it.
Why don’t you be more specific? You haven’t supported your assertions much either. I’m not even sure what it is you’re arguing.
crr6 on May 14, 2010 at 11:24 PM
Oh, and FYI, as should be apparent by my lack of typing skills, keyboarding is not my forte and there is no way I could make my living via this medium.
I’m just your a carpenter with a small biz that I have now shut down due to the ramifications inherent in Obamacare. Don’t bother asking what I’m shifting into, I don’t warrant you worthy of such info.
Archimedes on May 14, 2010 at 11:25 PM
Great, I couldn’t care less.
crr6 on May 14, 2010 at 11:26 PM
Oh, that’s coming. But that’s a pretty weak defense of Democrat immigration “reform” proposals. You know it’s a friggin’ charade.
ddrintn on May 14, 2010 at 11:26 PM
Ok. More power to you.
crr6 on May 14, 2010 at 11:27 PM
No, it’s reality based. You and I both know we can’t deport every illegal immigrant here. Amnesty (with qualification of course) is the only realistic option. Coupled with securing the border, of course. To the extent you think that proposals to secure the border aren’t strong enough, I agree with you.
crr6 on May 14, 2010 at 11:29 PM
Why don’t you be more specific? You haven’t supported your assertions much either. I’m not even sure what it is you’re arguing.
crr6 on May 14, 2010 at 11:24 PM
Oh christ man, your still residing in the US are you not? Why is that given the arguement that I’ve presented twice of the FED & Felony which you conveniently ignore, and the relative laxity of the AZ in comparison.
If you’re goinhg to boycott the lesser outrage it only follows that you’d do the same in reaction to the greater injustice. But you do not,or are commenting from abroad?
Archimedes on May 14, 2010 at 11:31 PM
Another successful hijacking by crr6. Freakin’ lovely. moving on……..
speed911 on May 14, 2010 at 11:32 PM
Yeahhhhh…riiiiight…now imagine a Democrat-run government securing that border…does not compute.
Quite an understatement.
ddrintn on May 14, 2010 at 11:32 PM
You’re not paying attention. My main quibble isn’t with the substance of the AZ law, it’s with the fact that the AZ law is preempted by federal law. In other words, immigration law is the responsibility of the federal government. If you don’t understand that, look up “preemption doctrine”. Then come back and comment.
crr6 on May 14, 2010 at 11:34 PM
So do you at least agree that amnesty is the only realistic option (given that we can’t deport millions and millions of illegal immigrants)?
crr6 on May 14, 2010 at 11:35 PM
What the heck do you call “immigration reform” and when has it “come” up? Then tell me who blocks it.
Vince on May 14, 2010 at 11:35 PM
Great, I couldn’t care less.
crr6 on May 14, 2010 at 11:26 PM
Great, I wouldn’t expect you to, none the less are you still residing inside the US or not? If you are, why is that?
Your still avoiding presenting a rationale for your acceptance of the supposed injustice of AZ actions while simultaneously ignoring the ostensibly greater injustice of federal statute.
Dodge and weave, but still no answer.
Archimedes on May 14, 2010 at 11:37 PM
Honestly? I wouldn’t have a problem with it if I could be guaranteed that the border would be sealed. That guarantee ain’t forthcoming.
ddrintn on May 14, 2010 at 11:37 PM
All those bills with “immigration reform in them.
I think last time was 06, right?
You guys.
crr6 on May 14, 2010 at 11:37 PM
Great, we agree then. I haven’t heard of a better solution (amnesty + sealed border).
crr6 on May 14, 2010 at 11:39 PM
Seal the border first.
ddrintn on May 14, 2010 at 11:40 PM
So once granted amnesty where are they going to work? They can no longer work under the table, therefore they fall under minimum wage laws. Do we have 12 million more of those? I’m pretty sure according to the news we do not. I just cannot understand why folks think we have an infinite amount of work to go around this country of over 300 million people. It’s math that doesn’t add up.
gator70 on May 14, 2010 at 11:41 PM
yeah we can.
right4life on May 14, 2010 at 11:41 PM
Answer the questions. There has been no immigration reform offered. Only the same old crap that’s been tried before. Why are you so dishonest?
Vince on May 14, 2010 at 11:41 PM
Of course.
Because it’s the best country on earth.
Read my earlier post.
crr6 on May 14, 2010 at 11:41 PM
Ahem.
You’re a moron.
crr6 on May 14, 2010 at 11:43 PM
don’t worry, with your policies in effect, we won’t get nearly as many illegal immigrant. who would want to leave a third-world hell-hole to come to a third-world hell-hole?
right4life on May 14, 2010 at 11:43 PM
you’re a fat little stupid piece of trash.
right4life on May 14, 2010 at 11:44 PM
and you prove it with every post comrade crr6
right4life on May 14, 2010 at 11:44 PM
You’re not paying attention. My main quibble isn’t with the substance of the AZ law, it’s with the fact that the AZ law is preempted by federal law. In other words, immigration law is the responsibility of the federal government. If you don’t understand that, look up “preemption doctrine”. Then come back and comment.
crr6 on May 14, 2010 at 11:34 PM
A law that is not enforced can hardly be called “pre-emptive”, “non-emptive”(and yes I know thats not a word)is the only way current policy could be described. In face of an irreesponible Federal Gov’t the only moar position is for citizen to assume the responsibilty.
And don’t bother with the vigilante argument, that is not what has occurred, nor suggested. Citizens have merely turned to state Gov’t to address what the Fed’s wouldn’t.
You have still not even bothered to address the gist of my question, given your stance….WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE?
If you possessded an adequate response to this it’d been posted by now, it hasn’t. You grow tiresome and as you’re unresponsive to anything of consequence, Ive better things to do than f%$k with the likes of you.
To all good night, and a good night to all.
I’m out.
Archimedes on May 14, 2010 at 11:53 PM
Does anyone on this blog even know who Univision’s audience is? It’s a spanish speaking network, for crying out loud. It caters to immigrants (legal and illegal), and spanish speaking citizens, who do not speak english. If you speak english, you have no need to watch it, unless you want to find out what is going on in Mexico.
Therefore, Univision does not represent the typical US citizen, therefore their poll is not an accurate sampling of Latino (referred to as Hispanic where I live), citizens of this Country. My friends who speak english and spanish do not watch it, they watch real American television.
This poll tries to make it look like a majority of Latinos are against Arizona, not true here. The ones that are against it are very liberal, illegal, or just not willing to assimilate to our culture, so they have to listen to spanish speaking television.
Quick funny story; a friend of ours went to the Spurs/Suns game this past weekend in San Antonio Tx. She said a bunch of Hispanic American fans showed up in matching t-shirts making fun of the Mexicans who are in Arizona illegally, and the arena management made them all wear white freebie t-shirts over them because they were afraid a fight would break out. San Antonio has a very large Hispanic population, and evidently a majority of them aren’t against this law either.
Susanboo on May 14, 2010 at 11:59 PM
Since so many people across the country approve of Arizona’s new law, a more affective way of supporting Arizona might be for other states to pass similar laws as well. Boycotting one state is easy, trying to boycott 12-15 states is a bit more difficult.
If you support Arizona’s law, start pushing your own state governments to adopt something similar. Show your support by following the lead! Make your voices heard locally, from your city to your state capitol.
Desert Gardens on May 15, 2010 at 12:02 AM
You are so stupid…
… you don’t realize you are making Hot Air history.
Please, never leave…
Seven Percent Solution on May 15, 2010 at 12:03 AM
You are insane. My city (El Paso, Tx.), will become welfare hell if we do this. It is already bad enough, with our schools and hospitals overcrowded. The City might as well become part of Mexico if we do this, because the Mexicans will be breaking down the fences to get in. Where do we stop? Those of you who want to give all these illegals amnesty have no idea what it is like down here on the border.
Susanboo on May 15, 2010 at 12:08 AM
To be a bit more specific about my objections to the Arizona law.
1: I am concerned that the law might be abused by a few police officers to harass Hispanics, despite the specific prohibitions in the law against such actions. Just because I think the vast majority of police officers are good decent people who won’t abuse this law does not mean I shouldn’t be concerned about laws that create opportunities for abuse by the few.
2: I am concerned that the law will impose priorities on local police forces that are not the best priorities for their specific community. I think it would be better if this type of police policy was decided at the county sheriff level instead of the state level.
3: I don’t think it will help much with the real problem of the porous border, and the drug gangs.
You might notice that none of these concerns have anything to do with the constitution. I fully believe that this law is constitutional. I am not concerned about the preemptive issue, as I understand it, this only applies when federal and state laws conflict- which they do not in this instance.
Just because a law is constitutional does not make it a good law. But neither does a bad law reveal some malicious motivation. Quite simply Americans are fed up. So instead of calling people bigots and trying to overturn a constitutional law through politicization of our court system, why don’t opponents of this law get their buts in gear and pass some real immigration reform. Not amnesty. (Which I actually support by the way, just not until we fix the border first- you don’t start bailing water until after you fix the leak). Get the border under control, and then Arizonians will be more responsive to a reasoned criticism of the new law.
Sackett on May 15, 2010 at 12:24 AM
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