Video: Holder really, really doesn’t want to talk about radical Islam

posted at 4:58 pm on May 13, 2010 by Allahpundit

Excruciating, not least of all because he ends up basically agreeing with the premise of the question. Yes, of course Shahzad “might have been incited” by radical Islam. He’s an Anwar al-Awlaki fan who went to Pakistan for bomb-training, didn’t he? And yet … he can’t quite bring himself to say that. The best he can do is a clumsy, heavily qualified admission that while Awlawki’s version of Islam is wrong, “people who espouse a radical version of Islam have had an ability to have an impact on people like Mr. Shahzad.” So palpably uncomfortable is he that I honestly feel a little sorry for him. Pathetic. Says Andy McCarthy, “How can you ever hope to stop something when you refuse even to speak its name?”

Incidentally, it’s worth reading the NYT’s recent profile of Awlaki in light of Holder’s answer; note the detail about his 53-disc boxed sets on the life of Mohammed. For a guy who’s evidently so misguided about what the Koran says, he sure has spent a lot of time studying it.


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Obama’s 54 disk boxed-set of APOLOGIES TO THE MUSLIM WORLD FOR AMERIKKA’S ARROGANCE will be issued in time for Ramadan.

Holder should have been sacked after the KSM lunacy.

That he is still in office is a shameful indictment of the the political impotence of the governing imbeciles and our mainly lame populace.

profitsbeard on May 13, 2010 at 6:33 PM

upinak on May 13, 2010 at 6:26 PM

You should have something in your inbox now, the mail listed is checked at least once a day and the phone is my cel.

Cheers!

Archimedes on May 13, 2010 at 6:35 PM

MB4 on May 13, 2010 at 6:28 PM

Thanks MB4, I’m gonna recon the links you put up and see what they’re about. I hope your right!

Archimedes on May 13, 2010 at 6:39 PM

But, but, Christianity is violent too! Witch hunting! The Crusades! The Spanish Inquisition! The Bible is filled with violence!

Has someone already made this argument on this thread?

/hope I’m not too late!

July 10 on May 13, 2010 at 6:40 PM

I personally think, in the long run, we’re a doomed society. The entire western world is doomed until we declare the enemy.

What the hell is “radical islam” anyway? The religion was created by a nutjob who murdered at least 20 people with his own two hands! You simply cannot get anymore radical than that, so to claim that a terrorists view of islam doesn’t match up with the “teachings” of islam is insanity.

Has Holder ever read the quran?! You can’t read it without coming away with this big takeaway- convert everyone you see to islam. If you have to kill them to covert their people, do so. Murder whoever gets in your way. These are plain and simple teachings from muhammed himself. Why we ignore this, I’ve no idea.

TheBlueSite on May 13, 2010 at 6:42 PM

– because Muslims are a Democrat voting block… any further questions?

leftnomore on May 13, 2010 at 6:53 PM

There’s no reason to worry here. You see, in the fifth book they actually start calling the evil by its name.

johnny alpha on May 13, 2010 at 7:03 PM

That’s my congressman and neighbor, Lamar Smith, doing that excellent inquisition there.

juliesa on May 13, 2010 at 7:18 PM

These are plain and simple teachings from muhammed himself. Why we ignore this, I’ve no idea.

TheBlueSite on May 13, 2010 at 6:42 PM

One reason is that much of the underpinnings for our being in Iraq, and even more so our being in Afghanistan, doing Islamic “Nation Building”/”Hearts and Minds”/”COIN”/”Unicorns and Flowers” would all but melt away like ice in Hell.

MB4 on May 13, 2010 at 7:19 PM

Are you people interested in getting to the ROOT of the problem of religious fundamentalism yet?

You DO know that the root cause is belief in god right?

SauerKraut537 on May 13, 2010 at 7:23 PM

Are you people interested in getting to the ROOT of the problem of religious fundamentalism yet?

You DO know that the root cause is belief in god right?

SauerKraut537 on May 13, 2010 at 7:23 PM

Hey, I am an atheist too, but I will never fall for any “moral equivalence” mumbo jumbo. Christ and Mohammad were polar opposites.

MB4 on May 13, 2010 at 7:30 PM

Hey, I am an atheist too, but I will never fall for any “moral equivalence” mumbo jumbo. Christ and Mohammad were polar opposites.

MB4 on May 13, 2010 at 7:30 PM

I’m not commenting on the person of Christ or Mohammad. They were just “agents” of the gods of each religion if you will. The personal messengers of these gods we think exist.

The ROOT cause of all the heartache and pain that these fundamentalists of the Islamic religion inflict on others is NOT that their particular flavor of religion is wrong, it’s no more wrong than Christianity or any other religion you want to compare it to. The root cause of it is a belief in god. MB, seriously, if you’re an atheist then surely you understand what I mean of all people in this forum.

JUST because Christianity is LESS violent today, and most Christians get it and don’t get violent about it any more, DOESN’T mean its “more” right than Islam. They both are based on a belief in a god for which we have very little, if any, evidence for.

If the belief was just a belief like believing in unicorns or leprechauns or goblins, would the people in the religion feel it was necessary to kill people who didn’t believe in unicorns, leprechauns or goblins?

SauerKraut537 on May 13, 2010 at 7:40 PM

Taqiya

Inanemergencydial on May 13, 2010 at 7:52 PM

JUST because Christianity is LESS violent today, and most Christians get it and don’t get violent about it any more, DOESN’T mean its “more” right than Islam.

Hey, put down the latte for just a minute, and look at what a nation based in Christian values looks like and what a nation based on Islamic values looks like. Where do you want to live Mr. Moral Equivalence?
Which religion preaches the inherent value of every precious human life?
Sometimes you just have to pick a side and go with it.

CarolynM on May 13, 2010 at 7:52 PM

SauerKraut537 on May 13, 2010 at 7:40 PM

Don’t feed this one. He’s a recent convert to atheism and high on all the “reason” he claims to have found. He admitted yesterday that he’s simply “frustrated” with the religion he recently left.

Hopefully he’ll settle into someone resembling AP, S.E. Cupp, or MB4. For now, he’s on a mission….and you will be exposed to his worldview, like it or not.

Grace_is_sufficient on May 13, 2010 at 8:04 PM

He reminds me of those characters in Harry Potter who were afraid to mention the name of Lord Voldemort. By avoiding saying the dreaded name they could pretend that the danger didn’t exist. Of course, they denounced and scowled at those, such as Harry, who persisted in not only warning about the impending danger, but saying its name…Lord Woldemort…or in this case, radical Islam.

Blaise on May 13, 2010 at 8:06 PM

JUST because Christianity is LESS violent today, and most Christians get it and don’t get violent about it any more, DOESN’T mean its “more” right than Islam.

China and the old USSR were absent religion and had plenty of killing . So kraut what is your point. While this point does not disprove your premise you really bring little to the table to support it.

CWforFreedom on May 13, 2010 at 8:34 PM

Surely you people see that the root cause of the Islamic terrorists is that they believe in this god so much that they’re willing to die for it? I say surely but then I’m also sure you’ll find some rationalization for continued belief, just like I used to do.

I’m not frustrated at JUST my own religion Grace, I’m frustrated at all religions. I’m an equal opportunity debunker.

Deep down in all your hearts, you may not even realize it, but you KNOW I’m right. That the gods we all worship are in our minds and that’s it. In our past when we didn’t know better, we looked for answers just like we do today. A common answer back before Christ was that a god did it when we didn’t know WHY things happened, or what the purpose of any if this all is. It was our first and worst attempts at biology, geology, philosophy, etc… It’s THAT simple people.

All you gotta do is answer your questions about it as simply as possible. Occam’s razor tells us that when looking for answers to questions, and when you have several possible answers to the question, often the simplest answer is the best and correct answer.

The religious have just taken it a bit too far and said, “There, god did it!”

All your lives you’ve likely been told that you need a god in order to get some reward in some afterlife that everyone WISHES was there. But you know, as well as I, that no one has ever come back from dieing to let us know if the stories are true.

Out of the billions of people who have inhabited this planet through the ages, not ONE has ever come back and given us an inkling that it’s even real.

Oh wait! That’s right, Jesus did… How convenient, now we can worship him.

SauerKraut537 on May 13, 2010 at 10:10 PM

“How can you ever hope to stop something when you refuse even to speak its name?”

“Fear of a name only increases fear of the thing itself.”~Albus Dumbledore could teach Holder a thing or two. Beat me to it, Blaise. ;)

pannw on May 13, 2010 at 10:30 PM

Hey, put down the latte for just a minute, and look at what a nation based in Christian values looks like and what a nation based on Islamic values looks like. Where do you want to live Mr. Moral Equivalence?

CarolynM on May 13, 2010 at 7:52 PM

This is the best piece of logical thinking that you can come up with? You DO realize that when Christian Europe was in the dark ages, that the nations of Islam were much more advanced than European nations were… How does your logic fit into that reality Carolyn?

What you probably fail to realize is that the VERY same “reason” and “logic” that you use for continued belief is the very same logic that a Muslim might use, or a Hindi, or a Jainite… The reality is that if you were born in Saudi Arabia you would likely be a Muslim and professing the “reality” of Islam… In India you’d likely be a member of one of the thousands of sects of that religion professing IT’S reality, which predated Christianity by the way (what to say to that I wonder?). In China or Southeast Asia, you’d likely be a Buddhist or other eastern philosophy.

The point is that you sure were lucky and fortunate to have been born in a Christian nation. Me too!

But to answer your question Carolyn… I’d rather live someplace like the United States because it’s the only secular nation on the planet and was pretty much founded on David Hume’s Idea of a Perfect Commonwealth. I’m sure you don’t believe me but go read for yourself and see the similarities. James Madison, and other of the founding fathers, were heavily influenced by Hume’s 1754 composition. The very same David Hume who was pretty much like me. Someone who believed that god were a possibility, but was a skeptic of all the religions that had ever been proposed.

Wake up and realize that religion is the one belief on the planet that divides us the most because what’s most important to us all? Our life, and what comes after.

SauerKraut537 on May 13, 2010 at 10:33 PM

SauerKraut537 on May 13, 2010 at 10:33 PM

I’d love to day that your problem isn’t an intellectual one(although that is questionable…),

It is a problem of sin.

Until you can face that, you are going to be wandering in darkness forever.

Inanemergencydial on May 13, 2010 at 10:43 PM

The Obama “administration” on terrorism – See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil”.

NoDonkey on May 13, 2010 at 5:02 PM

I get the sense that that’s what the Wednesday night parties are about. Also the helicopter ride to the (winkwink) “daughter’s soccer game,” which such game didn’t exist at that time, and the sudden desire to “go walk in the woods” in North Carolina. We’ll never know what Obama and Michelle found under a certain rock under the third tree after the fork in the path.

Lourdes on May 13, 2010 at 10:44 PM

Just how many times now has Farrakhan been to the White House since “the one” moved in there?

Lourdes on May 13, 2010 at 10:46 PM

Islam is not a religion. It is a terrorist organization. Holder knows this. Obama knows this. Parenthetically, the crusades were in reaction to Muslim terrorism, as writers above, saying otherwise, well know.

proconstitution on May 13, 2010 at 10:51 PM

Islam is not a religion. It is a terrorist organization. Holder knows this. Obama knows this. Parenthetically, the crusades were in reaction to Muslim terrorism, as writers above, saying otherwise, well know.

proconstitution on May 13, 2010 at 10:51 PM

I agree with your comments about the crusades being more a response to Muslim advances on formerly “Christian” lands but Islam IS a religion. A large proportion of its adherents DO in fact condone and perform terrorist acts but so do Christian parents when they scare their children into believing something for which there is little, if any, evidence.

SauerKraut537 on May 13, 2010 at 10:56 PM

I’d love to day that your problem isn’t an intellectual one(although that is questionable…),

It is a problem of sin.

Until you can face that, you are going to be wandering in darkness forever.
Inanemergencydial on May 13, 2010 at 10:43 PM

Hey Inane? Why are you a good person? What’s your motivation for being a good person?

SauerKraut537 on May 13, 2010 at 10:57 PM

MB4 on May 13, 2010 at 5:24 PM

Another mockery is the monument to those who died in the Pennsylvania field from Flight #93. The crescent-shaped lining of trees with the direction facing Mecca is a slap in the face of very brave American patriots who were ready to respond to “Let’s roll.”

onlineanalyst on May 13, 2010 at 10:59 PM

LOL – the actor on Barney Miller was Ron Glass. He’s older than Eric Holder and doesn’t look that much like him anymore, although there’s still some resemblance.

Daggett on May 13, 2010 at 11:01 PM

Hey SauerKraut. I am glad you are proud of your ability to reason. The problem with your faith is that it doesn’t answer the big questions:

How was the universe created?
Why was the universe created?
What is the purpose of man?

You have a better chance of a tornado going through an airplane hanger and creating a 747 than all of this having occurred by chance.

I don’t have enough faith to be an atheist. Re-read the book of Daniel on the plane yesterday. Remember that the Dead Sea Scrolls were dated around 75 to 150 BC, which contain a copy of this book, which dates to the time of the Jewish captivity in Babylon around 580 BC. All Daniel did was to predict the rise of the four kingdoms that would follow, including the Persian Empire, the rise of Alexander the Great and the Roman empire and then the fragmentation of Europe. He predicted the desolating sacrifice of Antioches Epiphanes. He predicted that in the end times that “knowledge would increase and people would be going to and fro.” He gave a sketch of events later outlined in more detail in Revelation. He was the first prophet to speak of resurrection. The book talked about how the final battle would take place around Jerusalem.

Yeah, my first thought was that Daniel just got lucky and made it all up!

johnboy on May 13, 2010 at 11:11 PM

The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.

holdfast on May 13, 2010 at 11:44 PM

The problem with your faith is that it doesn’t answer the big questions:

How was the universe created?
Why was the universe created?
What is the purpose of man?

You have a better chance of a tornado going through an airplane hanger and creating a 747 than all of this having occurred by chance.

I don’t have enough faith to be an atheist.
johnboy on May 13, 2010 at 11:11 PM

I believe we have a pretty good explanation of how the universe was formed even though it’s probably only partly accurate (we all know how scientists always change their theories when new evidence comes along). They’re still finding stuff out about physics and such so who knows.

As to your second question… Why is knowing why such an important question? Sure, it’d be nice to know why, but what good does it do you in life to know why we’re here?

What is the purpose of man? The short answer is that man’s purpose is what he makes of it.

As for the acid trip Daniel must have been on… Well, anyone can read whatever they want into Daniels ramblings. They can be interpreted any number of ways. Hindsight is 20/20 as they say and the human mind is VERY capable of seeing what it wants to see. What you won’t see is agreement on what everyone sees in his writings.

So all the wars that the Jews have been in with the Arabs since they were given their “promised land” back in the late 40′s?… All those wars and battles fought in and around Jersualem aren’t the one’s that Daniel was talking about in his writings? They FIT the requirements don’t they? They were fought in and around Jerusalem weren’t they? But alas, I’m sure you have a perfectly valid explanation for why they don’t “fit” the prophecies of Daniel… yet…

The whole 747 analogy is so overused Johnboy… It’s no more correct today then when Hoyle first brought it up. I assume since you brought it up that you’re trying to say that evolution and abiogenesis are not true? Whatever, it’s a poor analogy to compare evolution or abiogenesis to. The two don’t spontaneously create rabbits, humans, etc from nothing and the analogy lacks two of the components that make evolution work… Reproduction and natural selection. Another misconception associated with the analogy is that evolution has as it’s GOAL the creation of complex living organisms. Evolution has no final goal or purpose.

SauerKraut537 on May 13, 2010 at 11:54 PM

holdfast on May 13, 2010 at 11:44 PM

Assuming God and Satan exist and all that jazz, the greatest trick the Devil could possibly pull would be in convincing people that his voice was God’s.

So, if you believe in God and Satan, then when god “wants” you to do something, how do you know it’s god telling you and not the devil?

SauerKraut537 on May 14, 2010 at 12:00 AM

And Johnboy? To continue… Evolution has no final goal or purpose and we’ll just keep on evolving, provided we don’t blow ourselves up because a couple of religious people feel they have to bring to fruition the Armageddon everyone so looks forward to.

In a million years, homo sapiens’ will likely be no more… But whatever intelligent life there is in those times will have as its base DNA, OUR DNA… Because they will be our descendants.

SauerKraut537 on May 14, 2010 at 12:12 AM

What atheists fail to realize is that islam will kill them for not believing in islam. They don’t care what view you have of things. It’s convert, submit and pay the jizya or die.
Those are the choices.
Name another religion that describes the proper way to sodomize an infant.(thighing as described by the Ayatollah Khomeini or as I call him the ayatoilet sosmelly in his “little green book of islamic jurisprudence”.) Name another religion that describes what to do with the animal you just had sex with.
As far as I’m concerned, any religion that allows sex, anal or otherwise with a baby needs to die.
Get it? All the rest of the crap means nothing as long as sex with infants is approved of by the imams and ayatoilets.
Mo enjoyed sucking on the tongues of young boys and girls. He had men lick his chest for the pleasure of it. He had sex with a corpse…necrophilia. Name another religion whose founder had sex with a 9 year old girl after thighing her for 3 years.
There is no comparison in any way shape or form to be made between islam and any other presently existing religion. The Thugees, an even more murderous offshoot of islam was destroyed by the Brits. It no longer exists.
All that is needed to destroy islam is for the muslims to know their false prophet in all his perverted, corpse screwing glory.

islam is a lie and
Truth is killing it.

Army Brat on May 14, 2010 at 12:56 AM

Name another religion that describes the proper way to sodomize an infant.

Name another religion that describes what to do with the animal you just had sex with.

Army Brat on May 14, 2010 at 12:56 AM

ummm, you ARE aware of the systematic abuse of orphans and children by the Catholic church not just in the US but across the entire planet? You are aware that they consistently sodomized and terrorized poor little defenseless children… children who they were supposed to protect… ugh. I can’t even read the reports anymore they make me so sick. It reads like a horrible Stephen King novel (except that’s doing a disservice to Stephen King by even comparing the two).

This FIRST church systematically moved pedophiles and abusive people around from parish to parish FOISTING these pedophiles and perverts onto unsuspecting communities.

My sister became a Catholic years ago and I’m scared shitless for her kids (not so much anymore with the people starting to learn of how long these bastards have been doing this to the little lambs they were meant to protect.

At least the Christians were smart enough to keep edicts, like the Muslim examples you gave, out of the bible…

SauerKraut537 on May 14, 2010 at 1:06 AM

Army Brat on May 14, 2010 at 12:56 AM

And no Army Brat, I DO realize that they’ll likely kill me if they get a majority in whatever land I live in, but they’ll do to you more than they will to me, because I’m not even human to them. You are, but you follow the “wrong” god.

How does that make you feel? Kind of like putting on your armor of god and going and kicking ass in gods name?

IF you felt that way (you likely do, I did once when I was still a Christian), why would you let your belief in something for which you have very little evidence other than anecdotal evidence, and the faith that you have in OTHER people who provided you that evidence as right and true, cause you to kill someone else who if this conflict DIDN’T exist might be a friend?

SauerKraut537 on May 14, 2010 at 1:35 AM

“It seems to me a certainty that the fatalistic teachings of Mohammed and the utter degradation of the Arab women are the outstanding causes for the arrested development of the Arab. He is exactly as he was around the year 700, while we have been developing.”

General George S. Patton, Jr.

The Unknown Patton, Ch13 Quotes

orbitalair on May 14, 2010 at 8:48 AM

LOVE that quote Orbitalair!

SauerKraut537 on May 14, 2010 at 11:17 AM

Dhimmicrat.

He was incited by Islam.

MB4 on May 13, 2010 at 5:18 PM

Excellently, and truthfully put.

Badger40 on May 14, 2010 at 1:14 PM

SauerKraut537 on May 14, 2010 at 1:35 AM

I see you’re still at it.
LOL

Badger40 on May 14, 2010 at 1:16 PM

How convenient, now we can worship him.

SauerKraut537 on May 13, 2010 at 10:10 PM

Bitter much?

Reproduction and natural selection. Another misconception associated with the analogy is that evolution has as it’s GOAL the creation of complex living organisms. Evolution has no final goal or purpose.

SauerKraut537 on May 13, 2010 at 11:54 PM

Science cannot prove or disprove the absence or presence of a goal.
Your statement is not fact bcs of this reality.
As a science teacher/geologist, I take umbrage at your musings.

To continue… Evolution has no final goal or purpose and we’ll just keep on evolving, provided we don’t blow ourselves up because a couple of religious people feel they have to bring to fruition the Armageddon everyone so looks forward to.

Cucko cuckoo!

In a million years, homo sapiens’ will likely be no more… But whatever intelligent life there is in those times will have as its base DNA, OUR DNA… Because they will be our descendants.

SauerKraut537 on May 14, 2010 at 12:12 AM

Maybe, but who cares?
And tell me why are you so completely irrationally nuts?
Christians were bad once, the point being?
Muslims are bad NOW.
They want to kill us.
It is as simple as black & white with this ideology.
Kill or be killed.
I prefer my genetic heritage to be passed on & not wiped out by the genocide that these people wish to perpetrate upon Western society.

My sister became a Catholic years ago and I’m scared shitless for her kids (not so much anymore with the people starting to learn of how long these bastards have been doing this to the little lambs they were meant to protect.

SauerKraut537 on May 14, 2010 at 1:06 AM

So you don’t trust your sister to be a good parent?
All Catholic priests are monsters?
You need a psychologist, not a computer to blog your nonsense on.

Badger40 on May 14, 2010 at 1:27 PM

Badger40 on May 14, 2010 at 1:27 PM

Cute comments Badger but your ad hominem attacks take the oomph out of your argumentation.

Do you really think that because Christianity has been relatively denuded today that it makes OK the beliefs that Christians hold?

Do you not see the POSSIBILITY that Christians can devolve into the same level of ignorance and hatred that the Muslims now feel towards us? In fact, do you not see the Christians on this board, including yourself, who are countenancing the complete destruction of the people who follow Islam?

Don’t get me wrong, if an Islamic nutter decides to try to cut my head off, he’ll meet the business end of my Desert Eagle but they are simply a people who are caught in a delusion of religion, much like the Christians on this board are.

You can CLAIM I’m deluded I suppose but it’s not me putting faith in imaginary celestial daddys. I put my faith in that which I can touch and see and hear, yet even then I question what it was I felt, saw, and heard.

You really think I’m irrationally nuts? REALLY? Why? Because I make pointed statements that are designed to make you think? I know, I know, you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink. (hey, I’m a poet) ;-)

Badger, I’m actually a really nice fellow in person but I don’t expect you to believe it just because I said it… Kind of like what you should be doing in relation to these religious books we think were written by god’s divine hand…

SauerKraut537 on May 14, 2010 at 1:39 PM

I will say one more thing of religion to Kraut here:
No religion & too much religion are what causes problems in humans.
As with nearly everything, moderation.
Most of us here at HA are concerned that islam may one day attempt to undermine the soverignty of our nation.
They do not deserve to be here when they hold such views.
Many muslims just want to live & do their thing.
Many do not.
If the many that do mind their own business would speak out against the violent ones, this would not be such an issue.
Sadly, most of them that follow islam agree with everything in the Koran, which is a violent book indeed.
There is violence in the Old & the New Testaments.
But unlike the times of old, where there were violent Christian groups & governments out to get the unbeliever etc., that is not the case today.
I know I’m wasting my time with you, but you are one bitter atheistic dude & you sound scary.
I don’t go around verbally attacking muslims unless they are fomenting dissent in my country.
Then they deserve everything I can throw at them.

Badger40 on May 14, 2010 at 1:51 PM

and I’m with you on fighting the Islamic nutters. Like I said, if one comes for me in the night, they’ll get the opposite of what they intended.

The point of my comments is to show you that Christians and other religious people need to pull the plank out of their own eye before seeking to pull the splinter from their neighbors.

Yes, it’s the Muslims who have the plank in THEIR eye (for now) and Christians with the splinter, but they both suffer from the same delusion… That a god name XXX exists and that he has a PLAN for them, and that they need to forcefully coerce either through mental gymnastics, or forcefully through physical means, and the physical means contribute to the mental coercion.

The ROOT cause of this turmoil we find ourselves having to contend with is NOT that they’re wrong, it’s that we’re ALL wrong about these gods.

The root cause is a belief in god. If not for that belief we wouldn’t be fighting right now, now would we? We might, of course, but it’d be for a reason that was BASED in the real world.

SauerKraut537 on May 14, 2010 at 1:56 PM

.

I have spliced together some answers of equal weight and intelligence to Eric Holder’s response about Islam:

Eric Holder Cannot Answer Simple Question On Terrorism

Have fun.

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papa_giorgio on May 14, 2010 at 2:03 PM

SauerKraut537 on May 14, 2010 at 1:39 PM

Listen, when one guy calls you a camel, you can ignore it.
When someone else calls you a camel, you can ignore it.
When a third guy calls you a camel, you’d better go buy a saddle.

You are seriously wacked.
And I know lots of ‘nice’ people who are crazy.
Faith is not something that is related to what you can touch or sense.
Is is something else entirely.
That’s why faith & science exist apart from each other.
Faith cannot be explained by science.
Science cannot explain away faith.
Pretty simple.
You can ‘believe’ all you want that there is no God, but until there is absolute scientific proof of such a thing, you are guessing, based on your prejudicial experience.
I am calling you out, not really attacking you. But I guess if you want to look at it as an attack, I could see how you’d feel that way.
You have been attacking Christianity here & debasing it by stating with resolve that there is no God.
It’s like you just know it’s true, therefore it’sa fact.
In reality, you don’t know jack squat about whether there is a God or not, whether Jesus is the Son of God or not, whether the Bible was divinely inspired or not, whether Satan exists or not, etc.
You have no clue bcs you don’t really know.
This thread is about the identification of a present enemy to our way of life in the West.
Islam is an ideology that forces its followers to kill or convert the unbeliever or force him to live as a dhimmi & to establish a world-wide caliphate by any means.
So I will naturally resist it at all costs & naturally be suspect of all muslims who claim to follow the teachings of the Koran, just as I would be suspicious of a Communist, Marxist, Socialist, or a Satanist.
Since the Bible, Old & New Testaments don’t really support this kind of behavior in any meaningful way as does the Koran (it is pretty specific), I can handle a few wacko fundamentalist Christians.
The majority of Christians are peaceful loving people.
The majority of muslims only feel that way toward each other.
And since they are encouraged to enter into false contracts with unbelievers, it’s hard to know what of anything they say is real or not.
And sorry, I still think you project a lot of bitter hateful crazy feelings here.
You have an emotionally driven bias against religion of all kinds.
It really clouds your judgement.

Badger40 on May 14, 2010 at 2:03 PM

You still don’t get it.
You blog here wasting precious time trying to convince us that Christianity is just as bad as islam & that it is religion that is the problem in the world and that if ONLY we would basically all become atheists & join hands, the violence would stop.
Islam is not on = footing with Christianity.
Some religions really are better than others when you consider human rights as we define them in the Western world.
You still do not get the point that you are no well of spureme knowledge in that you can summarily dismiss the existence of all Gods & ‘holy’ works.
It is not your place to decide this.
Bcs you will never know, until you die, & then we all find out what’s up.
You are seriously deranged bcs you hammer home how violent Christianity used to be.
And we are here talking about the threat islam is to American sovereignty, & to another degree, Christianity, as well as other religions like Bhuddists, Hindus, Ba’ Hai etc.
Islam is the one ‘religion’ that advocates killing all others to become the monopoly or at least to forcibly convert us all.
Or live as slaves.
Dude, atheists & religous people kill equally.
Religion is just a banner for some to flock around.
If killers didn’t have religion, they’d use something else to rally by.
So quit attacking the notion of a God & use your craziness in a more constructive way.
Many of us take comfort in our Faith.
You have no right to try & strip it from us.
Sell your crazy somewhere else.

Badger40 on May 14, 2010 at 2:14 PM

And for the record, lots of people who are nice, are still crazy.
And crazy people who are nice can still do bad things.
So while you may consider yourself the nicest guy in the world, I think you can at least agree that means nothing in the larger context of being ‘good’.
Pit bulls are nice. Until they rip your arm off.

Badger40 on May 14, 2010 at 2:17 PM

Sheesh!

I can’t think of a better example of an off-topic hijacking of a thread than that that precedes this.

Way to go people.

Archimedes on May 14, 2010 at 2:20 PM

I can’t think of a better example of an off-topic hijacking of a thread than that that precedes this.

Way to go people.

Archimedes on May 14, 2010 at 2:20 PM

I have been watching his religous atheistic tirade on more than a few threads & suddenly felt the need to say something.
My apologies for feeding the troll.

Badger40 on May 14, 2010 at 2:33 PM

It’s a forum/comment thread Archimedes… It’s what happens when you start a topic. It can evolve.

Badger… I actually DO believe in a god, just not any gods with names. I’m not trying to get people to not believe in a god so much as not believe in a god named xxx…

I say fine, believe in a god if it comforts you, but all the gods so far proposed are just that, proposed/proposals… It just so happens that the gods we think exist aren’t what a god would really be like.

Would a god really have jealous or angry or loving characteristics? It just so happens that the gods of Christianity or Islam or Hindu are gods that have HUMAN characteristics applied to them, but gods experience/existence isn’t on the same level as ours so who knows if he’s really jealous or angry at us or really cares for us.

SauerKraut537 on May 14, 2010 at 2:39 PM

to continue, it appears as if he doesn’t care for us…

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

Epicurus

SauerKraut537 on May 14, 2010 at 2:41 PM

SauerKraut537
You miss my point. Is the proper way to have sex with children described in any other religious publication? No.
Is the proper way to dispose of an animal that you just had sex with described in any other religions laws or edicts? No.
Is sex with infants sanctioned and approved of by any other religion? No.
Your attempts at moral equivalency show the weakness of your argument and the lack of proper upbringing by your parents.
Why are you defending in any way, a religion that sanctions, approves of sex with infants? Are you nuts? Does this in some way appeal to you that you must defend it?
I hope not. I pray not.

Death to islam.
Free the slaves.

Army Brat on May 14, 2010 at 3:13 PM

Epicurus

SauerKraut537 on May 14, 2010 at 2:41 PM

Philosophy.
Interesting.
But irrelevant here.

I’m not trying to get people to not believe in a god so much as not believe in a god named xxx…

I say fine, believe in a god if it comforts you, but all the gods so far proposed are just that, proposed/proposals… It just so happens that the gods we think exist aren’t what a god would really be like.

Would a god really have jealous or angry or loving characteristics? It just so happens that the gods of Christianity or Islam or Hindu are gods that have HUMAN characteristics applied to them, but gods experience/existence isn’t on the same level as ours so who knows if he’s really jealous or angry at us or really cares for us.

SauerKraut537 on May 14, 2010 at 2:39 PM

You are speculating & calling it fact.
You don’t know these things anymore than anyone else.
Stick to something more productive.

Badger40 on May 14, 2010 at 3:36 PM

You don’t know these things anymore than anyone else

Badger40

EXACTLY!!! Now you get it!

No one knows, yet they act like they do. Muslims, Christians, etc… They all lay claim to this knowledge… I’m just saying step back from claiming the knowledge and just live your life. When I say there isn’t a god, I mean a god named X… I forget to include that part often enough. My bad.

In regards to Epicurus… yeah, it’s philosophy… but it helps to bolster my point that god doesn’t appear to intervene on our behalf like most religious people are wont to do. It’s not irrelevant.

SauerKraut537 on May 14, 2010 at 3:43 PM

You miss my point.
Army Brat on May 14, 2010 at 3:13 PM

I get your point perfectly well. I know that the koran has abominable sayings in it. But I also know that the bible has horrible edicts as well, and that whether its an Imam or a Pope, they’re JUST as fallible as you or I.

the issue for me lies in the fact that they abuse their positions of power to advance their own lives above our own. they pretend to pious behavior yet they’re human just like us… And we put them up on a pedastal because we feel they deserve it.

Rest assured Army Brat… I’m NOT defending them at all! But just because their religious texts contain such abominable sayings and ways to be, doesn’t forgive the equally abominable commands of god in the bible.

SauerKraut537 on May 14, 2010 at 3:52 PM

the Bible has bad things in it.
Those bad things are no longer practiced.
The bad things in the koran are practiced every single day without a single day going by without a terrorist attack in the name of the moon god being perpetrated somewhere in the world.
Show me the same thing from any other religion and I’ll shut the hell up. But you can’t becuse islam is the only religion that calls for the death of all who are not muslim. Show me in the Bible where it calls for the death of all muslims, or Buddhists or for all “non-Christians” as the koran calls for the death of all non-muslims who will not pay the jizya.
I’m done now. If you think that a religion that sanctions sodomizing babies should be allowed to exist…if you believe that a religion that treats women… sigh…I give up.
When they come to cut your throat just tell them that you have no religion. They’ll get a good chuckle out of that as they watch you bleed out.

Moral equivalency. how pathetic..how weak…

I leave you to your delusions…

No islam…Know Peace.
Know islam…throw up!

Army Brat on May 15, 2010 at 3:40 AM

When they come to cut your throat just tell them that you have no religion. They’ll get a good chuckle out of that as they watch you bleed out.

Moral equivalency. how pathetic..how weak…

I leave you to your delusions…

No islam…Know Peace.
Know islam…throw up!

Army Brat on May 15, 2010 at 3:40 AM

When they come for me, they’ll meet the business end of my Desert Eagle… And if they’re lucky enough to catch me off guard then so be it.

There is no moral equivalency here Army Brat. I’m not saying that they aren’t a bunch of overbearing and impetuous children.

I know that they are over the line both in what they preach and how they act, but that can be changed if they are shown that their BELIEF in god is not a beneficial belief. It causes them to do horrible things to other people just like it causes you to become indignant at their overbearing ways, BECAUSE you believe in a different god who you think you’re right on…

The root of the problem in this fight we find ourselves in is a belief in god. If not for that believe in god, we might still be fighting over something or other, but it’d be something BASED in the real world and not something we’re fighting over that we THINK exists.

Saying all that doesn’t mean I won’t fight, or kill them when they come for me. Like I said, business end of my desert eagle.

SauerKraut537 on May 15, 2010 at 12:50 PM

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