Study: Churchill to be forgotten within 80 years; Update: Video added

posted at 8:40 pm on May 13, 2010 by Allahpundit

The way things are going with Iran, I’d say he’s pretty well forgotten already.

Actually, they’re only talking about facial recognition, I think.

As part of the survey, carried out to mark this week’s 70th anniversary of Churchill’s prime ministerial tenure, more than 1,136 people were asked to identify three prominent 20th century PMs including Churchill, Margaret Thatcher and Tony Blair.

One in five (19%) adults failed to name Churchill, with the figure rising to 32% of 25 to 34-year-olds and 44% of those aged 16 to 24.

Following the pattern, researchers projected the rough date when the leaders would no longer be recognised, with Churchill’s demise predicted in 80 years’ time…

The survey, which involved people naming black and white headshot photos of the prime ministers, saw Churchill mistaken for Stephen Fry, Robert Hardy, Michael Gambon, Charlie Chaplin, Oliver Hardy, John Betjeman and Roy Hattersley, the Royal Mint said…

Kevin Clancy, head of Historical Services at the Royal Mint, added: “It’s shocking that one of our greatest statesmen runs the risk of potentially being forgotten.

Forty-four percent of 16-to-24-year-olds can’t recognize the guy voted the greatest Briton of all time in a gigantic BBC poll just 10 years ago? Hello? Bald, jowly, often seen with a cigar or making the “V” sign, looks (and acts) a bit like a bulldog? Don’t they get the History Channel over there? He’s an important cast member in every show about Hitler!

Seriously, though. Maybe I’m misunderstanding Churchill’s stature in Britain, but isn’t he tantamount to, say, Lincoln in America? I’m reasonably sure most Americans could pick Honest Abe out of a line-up; anyone who’s handled a five-spot should be up to the task. Maybe that’s Churchill’s problem — that he needs to be on more currency? Help me out here. I’m depressed and don’t want to face this reality.

Update: I can’t bear to watch.

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That’s not a bad run. Reagan will be forgotten in 40.

ernesto on May 13, 2010 at 8:27 PM

Inanemergencydial on May 13, 2010 at 8:41 PM

Not in my home he won’t.

Andy in Agoura Hills on May 13, 2010 at 8:41 PM

I’m reasonably sure most Americans could pick Honest Abe out of a line-up;

Yeah, isn’t he that black dude with big ears?

AUINSC on May 13, 2010 at 8:42 PM

So, this is what the statue that BHO returned to the UK was about….

d1carter on May 13, 2010 at 8:43 PM

Help me out here. I’m depressed and don’t want to face this reality.

This is the country that elected George Galloway to parliament. Glad to help. I’ll put it on your tab.

AUINSC on May 13, 2010 at 8:45 PM

Churchill should be a god there.

taney71 on May 13, 2010 at 8:45 PM

I’m reasonably sure most Americans could pick Honest Abe out of a line-up;

Yeah, isn’t he that black dude with big ears?

AUINSC on May 13, 2010 at 8:42 PM

LOL

nyx on May 13, 2010 at 8:47 PM

I thought most of England forgot Churchill about 65 years ago.

MB4 on May 13, 2010 at 8:47 PM

European history in total will be soon forgotten in a few generations – after Europe becomes islamic it won’t be taught in the madrasas or mosques, and America will have it’s own problems.

Rebar on May 13, 2010 at 8:47 PM

so thats what he looks like!

offroadaz on May 13, 2010 at 8:48 PM

“Don’t they get the History Channel over there? He’s an important cast member in every show about Hitler!”

The History Channel isn’t even “The Hilter Channel” anymore… i’m pretty sure they just show Pawn Stars 24/7 now.

Rude on May 13, 2010 at 8:49 PM

Well, this figures with the “educational system” being run by Ayers acolytes.

People like Churchill, Thatcher, Reagan, Pinochet need to be erased from memory, so no one knows what they are missing.

I added Pinochet to the list as he is the only military dictator in South American history, say the last century for sure, who purposely worked himself out of a job and turned a dictatorship into a democracy, a planned economy into a free-market one. The special venom levied on this man is a measure of how scary that tale is to people of the left, like Chavez, Danny Ortega, idiot Evo Morales, etc. Their predation and massive incompetence, and betrayal of their citizens, could not be a more clear contrast.

Harry Schell on May 13, 2010 at 8:50 PM

Forty-four percent of 16-to-24-year-olds can’t recognize the guy voted the greatest Briton of all time in a gigantic BBC poll just 10 years ago?

I guess Britons have already forgotten who Shakespeare was.

ddrintn on May 13, 2010 at 8:51 PM

One of my favorite exchanges from Steve Martin’s L.A. Story:

Trudi: Isn’t that girl Sara awful? I mean, what’s with that accent?
Harris: She has an accent because she’s English.
Trudi: Or maybe she’s just trying to impress everybody.
Harris: Oh, like that big phony, Winston Churchill.

Doughboy on May 13, 2010 at 8:51 PM

I’ve heard that Churchill is a more admired figure in the US than he is in Britain. Don’t know how much truth there is to that.

Mark1971 on May 13, 2010 at 8:53 PM

Hello? Bald, jowly, often seen with a cigar

W.C. Fields is classic!

FloatingRock on May 13, 2010 at 8:54 PM

Liberal public schools are a real hoot, huh?

platypus on May 13, 2010 at 8:54 PM

Well, at least he might be introduced to a new generation of Brits after his character was in a recent episode of “Doctor Who.” You can place the blame on the education system there if they can’t recognize that great man.

cubachi on May 13, 2010 at 8:54 PM

Sad. I’ve read as many books that I can find about Sir Winston and the War Years. Unrelated but I just finished the John Adams HBO series. My history knowledge sucks because of my youthful laziness and because of lousy teachers who only cared that we memorized dates. That series was so great and I’m PO’d that it took me 60 years to know this stuff (and I have a Masters degree). How ironic that Adams and Jefferson died on the same day…the 50th anniversary of our nation, the 4th of July.

Had there been no Sir Winston, the Brits (and us?) would be speaking German. Wonder how Dear Leader would have handled WW II? Hitler would have been just a distraction?

Dingbat63 on May 13, 2010 at 9:00 PM

Actually, they’re only talking about facial recognition, I think.

I think so too. If you walk down any street in America and show them a picture of Winston Churchill, people will probably look at you like a deer in the headlights. But if you ask those same people if they know who Winston Churchill is, they will probably give you the right answer.

SoulGlo on May 13, 2010 at 9:01 PM

..more than 1,136 people were asked to identify three prominent 20th century PMs including Churchill, Margaret Thatcher and Tony Blair….One in five (19%) adults failed to name Churchill, with the figure rising to 32% of 25 to 34-year-olds and 44% of those aged 16 to 24.

If they had not included ‘The Spice Girls’ in the line up, the numbers would have been higher.

percysunshine on May 13, 2010 at 9:02 PM

Sad. Churchill is my political idol, even more than Reagan.

Red Cloud on May 13, 2010 at 9:02 PM

I guess Britons have already forgotten who Shakespeare was.

ddrintn on May 13, 2010 at 8:51 PM

thread winner

John the Libertarian on May 13, 2010 at 9:02 PM

Well they are asking their ambulance drivers, in a survey, to rate how cool Hitler was. Does this really come as as shock?

bluemarlin on May 13, 2010 at 9:04 PM

The leftists running our schools make sure that notables like Churchill and Reagan are forgotten. However they will assure that our future students know Stalin, Mao, Che and other marxists (Obama?) well.

docdave on May 13, 2010 at 9:08 PM

I guess the Hill thinks Arlen Specter is still a Republican.

“Three pivotal centrists, Sens. Susan Collins (R-Maine), Scott Brown (R-Mass.) and Arlen Specter (R-Pa.), gave Kagan positive reviews after meeting with her privately.”
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/97875-kagan-begins-winning-over-swing-votes-on-second-day-of-hill-meetings

taney71 on May 13, 2010 at 9:08 PM

The History Channel isn’t even “The Hitler Channel” anymore… I’m pretty sure they just show Pawn Stars 24/7 now.
Rude on May 13, 2010 at 8:49 PM

You sure called that one right—except you forgot to add Gangland—my all time not favorite.

arnold ziffel on May 13, 2010 at 9:13 PM

Absolutely sad.

Seriously, though. Maybe I’m misunderstanding Churchill’s stature in Britain, but isn’t he tantamount to, say, Lincoln in America?

One would think.

amerpundit on May 13, 2010 at 9:18 PM

Churchill said a lot of negative things about Islam and Muslims. Dhimmie Britain might be safer a little longer the sooner he is forgotten.

BL@KBIRD on May 13, 2010 at 9:19 PM

Aren’t 1 in 5 Brits actually Pakistani?

Lehosh on May 13, 2010 at 9:22 PM

Churchill was cast aside by the loonies who run the show in England the moment he served his purpose.

Basilsbest on May 13, 2010 at 9:23 PM

Maybe this idiocy is why our great nation threw a fit in 1776 to rid themselves of British rule to begin with, hmmmm?

thebookkeeper on May 13, 2010 at 9:25 PM

But if you ask those same people if they know who Winston Churchill is (sic), they will probably give you the right answer.

I’d take that bet. They’d have no idea of who Churchill was, his relationship with FDR, the defeat of Germany, or anything else except how much a hamburger costs. I don’t know how much a hamburger costs.

The Reasonable Man on May 13, 2010 at 9:26 PM

I wonder how many Britons would recognize a picture of mohammed. Oh, wait!

SouthernGent on May 13, 2010 at 9:36 PM

This is what happens when Leftists run the education system long enough- year after year if “improvements” to the curriculum results in a largely uneducated population.

Read some UK newspapers- every year we get a bunch of stories quoting “experts” who cannot understand why there are still pupils failing to pass the exams they keep dumbing down. A week or two later it’s generally followed by a story on universities and employers complaining that the high school graduates that year are utterly clueless.

Or it could just be that they conducted this survey on a group that was largely made up of morons. Rest assured that there are many UK residents making sure their kids know who this great man was.

Jay Mac on May 13, 2010 at 9:39 PM

Who?

ncborn on May 13, 2010 at 9:43 PM

AllahP is most concerned as Churchill is one of the greats in snark:

I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly.
Winston Churchill

GnuBreed on May 13, 2010 at 9:45 PM

This is what happens when you focus on teaching your proles’ kids stupid useless crap. Spend your time focusing on teaching them about using facebook or about how global warming will kill us and especially focus on how all the Britons were just racist imperialists who shouldn’t be talked about. When that’s your curriculum then you shouldn’t be surprised.

Same thing here – before the glenn beck movement how many kids knew squat about our founding?

Defector01 on May 13, 2010 at 9:47 PM

Looks like the Brits are raising a generation of idiots just like we are. Don’t ya just love the public school system?

GarandFan on May 13, 2010 at 9:50 PM

Churchill. Eisenhower. Reagan. The last men standing.

TXUS on May 13, 2010 at 9:52 PM

Churchill does not have the lefty media polishing his image. He was too conservative in many ways and the Developing World actually hates the guy.

Obama sent his bust back.

We keep the heroes who are useful to the media. Abe Lincoln mismanaged a war but worked some lofty goals that fit the left’s present agenda. He can’t compare to Churchill or Washington by any objective standard.

IlikedAUH2O on May 13, 2010 at 9:57 PM

Maybe I’m misunderstanding Churchill’s stature in Britain, but isn’t he tantamount to, say, Lincoln in America?

Hell, Churchill’s tantamount to Lincoln in the US.

IMO.

Purple Fury on May 13, 2010 at 10:00 PM

Recall this story from 2007 about Churchill being cut from England’s history curriculum.

darii on May 13, 2010 at 10:04 PM

Maybe that’s why President Obama returned the bust. He thought it was Stephen Fry.

29Victor on May 13, 2010 at 10:16 PM

I wish the Democrats could forget about FDR. Talk about necrophilia…

ddrintn on May 13, 2010 at 10:45 PM

Some years ago, I had a business in London. My partner was a doctor in his late 70′s who had served at Churchill’s HQ during the war. He told me Churchill was constantly being deluged with minions demanding his time. There was never a free minute with all the details of the war. The only peace he got was when he retired to his private bathroom. The rule was he was not to be disturbed while in the can. One day, an aide banged on the door and announced Field Marshall Montgomery was on the phone demanding to speak to the Prime Minister. To which Churchill responded,”please tell the Field Marshall I can only handle one S**t at a time.”

flyoverland on May 13, 2010 at 10:45 PM

Hell, Churchill’s tantamount to Lincoln in the US.

IMO.

Purple Fury on May 13, 2010 at 10:00 PM

I’d say you’re pretty close. Like his American counterpart, Churchill has his share of detractors, mostly because of a few very unpopular observations he made about a certain people-group.

Dark-Star on May 13, 2010 at 11:10 PM

Britain is being overrun by Mohammandans – who don’t know and don’t care who Churchill was.

This is just fact – and it’s not a new fact either, so it shouldn’t surprise anyone.

HondaV65 on May 13, 2010 at 11:28 PM

Looks like the Brits are raising a generation of idiots just like we are. Don’t ya just love the public school system?

GarandFan on May 13, 2010 at 9:50 PM

It’s not that … seriously. Britain’s huge immigrant population is largely responsible for this sorry state of affairs.

There is no England anymore.

HondaV65 on May 13, 2010 at 11:33 PM

This study crosses me as a bunch of garbage. They should be ashamed to present it. As a rule, adults are far more knowledgeable about history than kids in or just out of school. I would be that twenty years ago, they would have found identical results. People learn as they get older. That’s the fun part of getting older!

Hal_10000 on May 14, 2010 at 12:06 AM

I wonder how many Britons would recognize a picture of mohammed. Oh, wait!

SouthernGent on May 13, 2010 at 9:36 PM

One can always tell by the lit fuse coming out of his pedophile head.

Western_Civ on May 14, 2010 at 12:37 AM

Churchill was the first to call islam what it is.
The religion of Blood and Death. He saw it first hand. Wrote a book about his experiences in Afghanistan… Barbarians all.

In a recent poll done in the UK, right around 30% of those polled said that Churchill never existed. That he was made up…a character not a man.

God help us all.

Army Brat on May 14, 2010 at 12:43 AM

I guess the Hill thinks Arlen Specter is still a Republican.

“Three pivotal centrists, Sens. Susan Collins (R-Maine), Scott Brown (R-Mass.) and Arlen Specter (R-Pa.), gave Kagan positive reviews after meeting with her privately.”
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/97875-kagan-begins-winning-over-swing-votes-on-second-day-of-hill-meetings

taney71 on May 13, 2010 at 9:08 PM

Why is that surprising? A bunch of numbnuts thought John McCain was a viable candidate for President and still think Sarah Palin is a conservative.

austinnelly on May 14, 2010 at 12:48 AM

Churchill was the first to call islam what it is. The religion of Blood and Death. He saw it first hand. Wrote a book about his experiences in Afghanistan…
Army Brat on May 14, 2010 at 12:43 AM

Churchill was also one of the first to see Hitler for who he was, and Socialism for what it was.

Does anybody else notice a trend here?

logis on May 14, 2010 at 1:26 AM

Britain is dead. :(

irishspy on May 14, 2010 at 2:09 AM

I remember a poll back in the ’80s where more people in Germany knew who Boris Becker was compared to Adolf Hitler, so I guess it’s possible.

Seriously, people elsewhere are like here-they will tune into American Idol and their favorite rap music and porn rather than learn something, and in school daydream about getting high, drunk and having sex.

Humanity continues to be reduced to the lowest possible form of twitching muscle fiber by the PTB. Shut up, consume, willingly give up what little you have, be grateful for what they let you keep, and realize the infinite wisdom of Socialists is all that is required of the sheeple.

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 14, 2010 at 6:23 AM

50% of those under 25 in the U.S. wouldn’t recognize Reagan’s picture if you showed it to them. They thought the GOP was in control of Congress for the past 12 years.

flytier on May 14, 2010 at 8:18 AM

Just like Washington and Lincoln were forgotten…..

Vashta.Nerada on May 14, 2010 at 8:51 AM

“Forty-four percent of 16-to-24-year-olds can’t recognize the guy voted the greatest Briton of all time in a gigantic BBC poll just 10 years ago?”

Well they are too busy in their schools teaching about diversity and ethnic studies now, so this is no surprise. :-)

JeffinSac on May 14, 2010 at 8:52 AM

Churchill was against socialism, and isn’t that about all that’s being taught in socialist countries now? Socialism? I am saddened by this , but not shocked.

Anything conservative, and not pandering to the positives of how great socialism is….will not be taught. It’s happening here. Mind control in schools is the first, and foremost of curriculum.

capejasmine on May 14, 2010 at 10:04 AM

Let us not forget that in Europe, the hero of the cold war was Gorbachev.

Not Thatcher and Reagan.

Obama told me so.

redneck hippie on May 14, 2010 at 10:11 AM

And another thing, Daniel Hannan proves Britain is not yet moribund.

On the other hand, I’d be very interested to see whether

1) They ever get a popular movement going like our tea parties.

2) Have they had a glimmer of a new capitalist/conservative ascendancy like is evidenced by the #1 best seller list of our NYT. We’ve had long periods of time when the best selling nonfiction hardbacks in this country have been by conservative superstars.

Here, we have tea parties acting as re-education camps for the masses.

I haven’t seen anything like that over in the old country. And that makes me very sad.

redneck hippie on May 14, 2010 at 10:25 AM

Libs hate any history that doesn’t back their positions and deemphasize it or banish it. Since WW2 was a war against Nation Socialism, expect it to disappear from lib history books in time.

theCork on May 14, 2010 at 10:53 AM

My sons AP World History book has no mention of Margaret Thatcher. None!
How convenient.
This is a direct result of “We the people” no longer being eternally vigilant.

MHatch on May 14, 2010 at 11:26 AM

Sounds like the British public education system has the same contempt for history that ours does.

infidel4life on May 14, 2010 at 12:20 PM