Kagan’s thesis on socialism suddenly hot news again

posted at 9:46 pm on May 13, 2010 by Allahpundit

Red State has a copy, leading Erick Erickson to declare, “This proves Elena Kagan is an open and avowed socialist.” Andy Levy‘s sardonic reply:

BREAKING: SOMEONE IN COLLEGE THOUGHT SOCIALISM WAS A GOOD IDEA!

I had trouble loading Red State’s PDF; if you’re having trouble too, no worries. The Weekly Standard was all over this a year ago when Kagan was up for Solicitor General and Doug Ross has compiled some of the more incendiary bits here. (People who knew her at Princeton insist she wasn’t a radical.) I’ve made my own thoughts about college theses clear before, but my esteemed colleague said it better than I did so I’ll just quote him:

I have received a lot of e-mail regarding Princeton’s apparent decision to embargo Michelle Obama’s college thesis. A few purported quotes have begun floating through the ether, which seems surprising if the Obamas have conspired to keep the paper buried at Princeton. The messages all seem to believe that the thesis contains something explosive, especially in terms of racial politics.

Maybe it does, and maybe it doesn’t. Why would anyone be surprised if it did? To paraphrase one of the great lines from South Park, there’s a time and a place for radical thought, and it’s called college. Mrs. Obama wrote the paper 20 years ago, while living in the cocoon of academia. I doubt that it reflects her current state of mind.

It’s not quite as bad as going back to Barack’s kindergarten essays, but it’s just about as irrelevant.

The GOP should and will ask about it — that’s what the Obama standard for “blank slate” nominees requires — but does anyone seriously think she’s going to get Borked over this? Vote in the comments!


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battleoflepanto1571 on May 13, 2010 at 9:48 PM

Dramatic Techiques Themes and Symbolism in Federico Garcia Lorca’s Rural Trilogy of Bodas de Sangre, Yerma and La Casa de Bernarda Alba. The title of my thesis is more impressive than Kagans. Extra points if anyone knows who Garcia Lorca is, no googling!

Daveyardbird on May 13, 2010 at 9:50 PM

The messages all seem to believe that the thesis contains something explosive, especially in terms of racial politics.

When Michelle’s thesis finally came out, someone reading it might have suspected they tried to keep it under wraps just because of how poorly written it was for a senior thesis at an Ivy League university, not because of any radical philosophy.

Wethal on May 13, 2010 at 9:51 PM

Kinda like BHO who still believes it….

d1carter on May 13, 2010 at 9:51 PM

“— but does anyone seriously think she’s going to get Borked over this?”

Why not lay down the dots and connect them…?

… We are talking about the Supreme Court of the United States, or is this just American Idol?

Seven Percent Solution on May 13, 2010 at 9:51 PM

No, conservatives don’t bork people. Only liberals like Kennedy who prejudge folks and smear them before they have a chance.

taney71 on May 13, 2010 at 9:52 PM

Oh, she went to Princeton.

I guess she is qualified to be dogcatcher.

My mistake, booster boy.

davidk on May 13, 2010 at 9:52 PM

socialists nominating socialists…..
not surprised here.

ted c on May 13, 2010 at 9:52 PM

Are her school records public?

d1carter on May 13, 2010 at 9:53 PM

She won’t get Borked, but in an election year it could make for interesting theater. I say 62 votes max.

SouthernGent on May 13, 2010 at 9:53 PM

or is this just American Idol?

Seven Percent Solution on May 13, 2010 at 9:51 PM

Sad, isn’t it?

davidk on May 13, 2010 at 9:54 PM

O/T…

Did anyone see this?

NARAL endorces Sestak over Specter…

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100512/ap_on_el_se/us_pennsylvania_senate_naral_1

ninjapirate on May 13, 2010 at 9:54 PM

In Elena Kagan’s America…….

I hope we last long enough to even make any predictions.

Brian1972 on May 13, 2010 at 9:54 PM

endorses(sp)

ninjapirate on May 13, 2010 at 9:54 PM

Elana Gagan is a RADICAL,and here is a repost,
with a bonus of comments she said about Ronald Reagan
when he won back when:
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Elena Kagan, Radical?
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From her Thesis
——————-

What were Kagan’s own ideas?
==============================
THE WEEKLY STANDARD obtained a copy of Elena Kagan’s senior thesis, written almost thirty years ago while an undergraduate at Princeton. The title of the thesis: “To the Final Conflict: Socialism in New York City, 1900-1933″
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“In our own times, a coherent socialist movement is nowhere to be found in the United States. Americans are more likely to speak of a golden past than of a golden future, of capitalism’s glories than of socialism’s greatness. Conformity overrides dissent; the desire to conserve has overwhelmed the urge to alter. Such a state of affairs cries out for explanation. Why, in a society by no means perfect, has a radical party never attained the status of a major political force? Why, in particular, did the socialist movement never become an alternative to the nation’s established parties?”(pp. 127)

“Through its own internal feuding, then, the SP exhausted itself forever and further reduced labor radicalism in New York to the position of marginality and insignificance from which it has never recovered. The story is a sad but also a chastening one for those who, more than half a century after socialism’s decline, still wish to change America. Radicals have often succumbed to the devastating bane of sectarianism; it is easier, after all, to fight one’s fellows than it is to battle an entrenched and powerful foe. Yet if the history of Local New York shows anything, it is that American radicals cannot afford to become their own worst enemies. In unity lies their only hope.” (pp. 129-130)

Her political sympathies (at the time) seem quite clear — and radical.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/05/elena_kagan_radical.asp
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And,Kagan`s remarks after Ronald Reagan won the Presidentcy
——————————————-

A week after Ronald Reagan’s presidential victory in November 1980, Kagan contributed a piece to the Daily Princetonian, wherein she gave voice to her angst over the apparent demise of the Left. Wrote Kagan:
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“Looking back on last Tuesday [election day], I can see that our gut response — our emotion-packed conclusion that the world had gone mad, that liberalism was dead and that there was no longer any place for the ideals we held or the beliefs we espoused — was a false one. In my more rational moments, I can now argue that the next few years will be marked by American disillusionment with conservative programs and solutions, and that a new, revitalized, perhaps more leftist left will once again come to the fore. I can say in these moments that one election year does not the death of liberalism make and that 1980 might even help the liberal camp by forcing it to come to grips with the need for organization and unity. But somehow, one week after the election, these comforting thoughts do not last long. Self-pity still sneaks up, and I wonder how all this could possibly have happened and where on earth I’ll be able to get a job next year.”

http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=34854

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canopfor on May 12, 2010 at 10:45 AM

canopfor on May 13, 2010 at 9:54 PM

Keep in mind that Kagan wrote her thesis at the height of the cold war praising a group that collaborated with our enemies

We’ve come a long way, baby; how sad, how sad.

Schadenfreude on May 13, 2010 at 9:55 PM

Elections have consequences.

Obama decided he couldn’t nominate himself, so he did the next best thing. He nominated an empty suit with a head full of the same bad ideas he’s so very fond of.

Asher on May 13, 2010 at 9:56 PM

Does Obama know anyone that isn’t a Socialist?

faraway on May 13, 2010 at 9:56 PM

Am counseling my college-aged progeny to pick thesis topic with an eye to how it will look in 20 years.

publiuspen on May 13, 2010 at 9:57 PM

Her handlers’ talking point about that thesis goes this way:

she wrote it but it doesn’t mean she believes what she wrote.

Or, in the more polished-tone version: “she wrote about Socialism but that doesn’t mean she’s a Socialist.”

And after I saw the photo of her pumping her closed fist in the air with one of her “smiles” during undergraduate years, I think it’s reasonable to say that, yes, she was a radical even back then. That means she’s likely continued on as one, particularly since one of her first jobs out of school (finally) was interning/clerking with Thurgood Marshall, hardly not a radical.

I had my jeans-long-hair-wire-rimmed-glasses stint in undergraduate years, too, but I never did that Black Power salute. And would have run the other direction had anyone suggested a stint in Thurgood Marshall’s office.

Lourdes on May 13, 2010 at 9:57 PM

HER THESIS: SOCIALISM IS GOOD.

NOMINEE BERWICK’S 2008 SPEECH: SOCIALISM IS GOOD.

OBAMA’S THESIS: NUCLEAR DISARMAMENT IS GOOD.

OBAMA’S POLICY: NUCLEAR DISARMAMENT IS GOOD.

ERGO: KAGAN’S THESIS MATTERS.

reliapundit on May 13, 2010 at 9:58 PM

Wow. A Jewish gay woman is left wing. Call me when there’s news.

keep the change on May 13, 2010 at 9:58 PM

I don’t know about others, but Kagan wasn’t on my radar a year ago. SCOTUS has a bit more power and influence than Solicitor General. Given her scant paper trail, I’d say her thesis sheds light on her thinking and should warrant some tough questions during the confirmation hearings.

Levy’s flippant comment is cute. Maybe in the Ivy League schools and NYC/DC beltway corridor (throw in the West Coast schools) socialism was all the rage and in vogue in colleges during the ’80s. Apparently I hung out with a different crowd.

conservative pilgrim on May 13, 2010 at 9:58 PM

Elana Kagan is being put into place,to,

—————HELLO———————–

extend Hopeys vision for decades to come!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She is a Progressive Extreme LeftWing Radical dolled up
as a Centralist RINO!!!

canopfor on May 13, 2010 at 9:59 PM

Does Obama know anyone that isn’t a Socialist?

faraway on May 13, 2010 at 9:56 PM

No, apparently not, AND those Socialists that he does know are who he considers to be his ‘Conservative’ friends.

Lourdes on May 13, 2010 at 9:59 PM

That was back in college and it was all theoretical. Just arguing the other side to make my belief in republican capitalism all the stronger, you see.

It’s like being a liberal when you are younger, and becoming more conservative after some life experiences, you see.

Nothing to worry about.

Skandia Recluse on May 13, 2010 at 9:59 PM

Of course she is a radical, just like all of Obama’s inner circle. Marxists, socialists and communists make up all of Obama’s “czars” and recent nominees. Until we can get rid of these people are totally screwed.

simkeith on May 13, 2010 at 9:59 PM

Daveyardbird on May 13, 2010 at 9:50 PM

As an Art Historian, I know about Garcia Llorca because of Robert Motherwell and his paintings titled “Elegy on the Spanish Republic.”
“…at 5:00 in the afternoon.”

Heady stuff, hon!

Jenfidel on May 13, 2010 at 9:59 PM

The GOP should and will ask about it — that’s what the Obama standard for “blank slate” nominees requires — but does anyone seriously think she’s going to get Borked over this? Vote in the comments!

Of course not. She’s a Democrat (i.e., Socialist). The past only applies to Conservatives, not lefties. Hell, she could have written a thousand articles praising Stalin until the day before she was nominated and it still doesn’t ‘count’. If she had been nominated by Reagan and said she thinks that we should take a second look at the rights of the unborn…HITLER/NAZI/RADICAL!

Just saying.

AUINSC on May 13, 2010 at 10:00 PM

but does anyone seriously think she’s going to get Borked over this? Vote in the comments!

No, but she should be. Van Jones, Anita Dunn, Andy Stern, Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers, Mark Lloyd, Cass Sunstein, etc. etc. etc. All those who surround Obama have been very vocal in longing for a shift in the U.S. from free market capitalism to command and control wealth redistribution. It’s obvious that that is who Obama is and betrays his disgusting vision for this nation. What secures the beliefs of Kagan for me is not her thesis, but the very fact that Obama nominated her. That’s all I need.

Weight of Glory on May 13, 2010 at 10:00 PM

canopfor on May 13, 2010 at 9:54 PM

I liked it the first time, too…

… But Obowma may cite you for providing too much information!

:O)

Seven Percent Solution on May 13, 2010 at 10:00 PM

…but does anyone seriously think she’s going to get Borked over this? Vote in the comments!

To be ‘borked’ is to be treated unfairly and with all dishonesty during a confirmation process. Liberals will disagree (of course), but that’s the meaning of the term.

The GOP won’t touch Kagan; the Party has no guts. She’s an avowed socialist and is ‘unsympathetic to gun rights’, as news articles are relating. If that’s true, she simply doesn’t believe in the Original Intent of the Second Amendment, which should disqualify her for the Court.

After all–if abortion, which is made up, is a litmus test created by penumbras, then something written in the Bill of Rights should carry much more weight.

Liam on May 13, 2010 at 10:01 PM

You don’t think that maybe…BHO is a socialist?

d1carter on May 13, 2010 at 10:01 PM

Heres the release,from the Clinton Library!
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Bruce Reed Collection – Elena Kagan

The Clinton Library has identified and scanned previously released records related to Elena Kagan in the files of Bruce Reed, Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy. These records related to Elena Kagan were located in the Subject File Series, Welfare Reform Series, and Crime Series. This material is limited to what has been currently identified and should not be considered comprehensive. These records can be defined as material authored/co-authored by Kagan or sent to Kagan. These records consist of memoranda, emails, notes, and clippings. In addition to these documents, ten folders related to Native Americans from the Domestic Policy files of Elena Kagan have been released as part of FOIA case 2006-0197-F (Native Americans segment 3). These folders are currently available in the research room at the Clinton Presidential Library and will be posted on this website in the near future.
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http://www.clintonlibrary.gov/textual-Kagan-BruceReed.htm

canopfor on May 13, 2010 at 6:27 AM

canopfor on May 13, 2010 at 10:01 PM

Levy’s flippant comment is cute. Maybe in the Ivy League schools and NYC/DC beltway corridor (throw in the West Coast schools) socialism was all the rage and in vogue in colleges during the ’80s. Apparently I hung out with a different crowd.

conservative pilgrim on May 13, 2010 at 9:58 PM

I disagree. Levy’s comment isn’t flippant. But, socialism was all the rage much earlier than the ’80s. All that hippie stuff from the ’60s and early ’70s (that migrated soon during the ’70s to Acid Rock Mania and then Coke Rage Mania in the ’80s), all that hippie stuff that started in the ’60s was later outed as being moreorless Communism with long hair and grass.

Lourdes on May 13, 2010 at 10:02 PM

BREAKING: SOMEONE IN COLLEGE THOUGHT SOCIALISM WAS A GOOD IDEA!

Just someone?

CWforFreedom on May 13, 2010 at 10:03 PM

Her thesis wasn’t “on socialism”… it was advocated for socialism… there is huge difference… sorry, but she looks like the typical radical marching through the institutions…

ninjapirate on May 13, 2010 at 10:07 PM

but does anyone seriously think she’s going to get Borked over this? Vote in the comments!

If the GOP rolls over on Kagan (so much as Graham, Collins and/or Snowe, any or all three), then the GOP should just fold it’s remaining tent up and sulk away because the voters are not going to give the GOP another chance to grow some fortitude again.

The GOP has to start laying down the line and then holding it. It has to. We as voters have little else to turn to but to the opposing party at this rate, but that option is going to be worth less than a hill of rotten beans very soon if the GOP continues to “question hard but roll over and support it”.

Lourdes on May 13, 2010 at 10:07 PM

canopfor on May 13, 2010 at 9:54 PM
====================================
I liked it the first time, too…

… But Obowma may cite you for providing too much information!

:O)

Seven Percent Solution on May 13, 2010 at 10:00 PM

Seven Percent Solution: Thanks,but H*lls B*lls,I had all
this info dug up four days ago!!:)
==========================================================

Heres her view on Gun rights
====================================
Elena Kagan—-The Second Amendment
==============================================

In repsonse to questions about District of Columbia v. Heller, which struck down parts of the District of Columbia’s gun control law and ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to own guns, Ms. Kagan cited the court’s analogy to the First Amendment, writing that it provided “strong although not unlimited protection.”
===============================

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/05/10/us/politics/20100505-kagan-opinions.html?ref=politics

canopfor on May 12, 2010 at 10:03 PM

canopfor on May 13, 2010 at 10:08 PM

A week after Ronald Reagan’s presidential victory in November 1980, Kagan contributed a piece to the Daily Princetonian, wherein she gave voice to her angst over the apparent demise of the Left. Wrote Kagan:
================================================

“Looking back on last Tuesday [election day], I can see that our gut response — our emotion-packed conclusion that the world had gone mad, that liberalism was dead and that there was no longer any place for the ideals we held or the beliefs we espoused — was a false one. In my more rational moments, I can now argue that the next few years will be marked by American disillusionment with conservative programs and solutions, and that a new, revitalized, perhaps more leftist left will once again come to the fore. I can say in these moments that one election year does not the death of liberalism make and that 1980 might even help the liberal camp by forcing it to come to grips with the need for organization and unity. But somehow, one week after the election, these comforting thoughts do not last long. Self-pity still sneaks up, and I wonder how all this could possibly have happened and where on earth I’ll be able to get a job next year.”

http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=34854

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canopfor on May 12, 2010 at 10:45 AM

canopfor on May 13, 2010 at 9:54 PM

Wow. That provides more insight into her worldview than the thesis.

I traced back the links, but couldn’t find an original copy or screen shot.

conservative pilgrim on May 13, 2010 at 10:08 PM

BREAKING: SOMEONE IN COLLEGE THOUGHT SOCIALISM WAS A GOOD IDEA!

The problem with dismissing this so blithely is that a lot of people don’t let go of it after college, and some of them enter politics.

So what do you think are the odds that an Obama appointee actually still thinks socialism is a good idea?

Kensington on May 13, 2010 at 10:10 PM

Lourdes on May 13, 2010 at 10:07 PM

The GOP is going to ‘reach across the aisle’ and ‘play ball’. In short, roll over again. They don’t do anything else.

Liam on May 13, 2010 at 10:10 PM

Her thesis wasn’t “on socialism”… it was advocated for socialism… there is huge difference… sorry, but she looks like the typical radical marching through the institutions…

ninjapirate on May 13, 2010 at 10:07 PM

Riiiggghttt, like I wrote here earlier, the meme about that thesis is:

“she wrote it but she didn’t really mean what she wrote.”

Random keys on a Smith Corona. Had candles burning instead of a desk lamp. Too much Stolichnaya. Words on paper, that’s all they were. Her hair was still wet, didn’t do the laundry yet, towels were all dirty. Smith Corona’s keys all switched around.

Lourdes on May 13, 2010 at 10:10 PM

I’ve made my own thoughts about college theses clear before, but my esteemed colleague said it better than I did so I’ll just quote him:

It’s kind of sad…you two accept that the left always wins. I know you think you are being fair…but the left doesn’t play fair. You two are patsies…we can’t bring up the fact that Obama’s pick for SC wrote a love poem to Socialism…cuz it’s unfair.

Seriously Ed and Allah…we are fighting an enemy that doesn’t respect rules and fair play. They want to win above all else. They’ve won the culture war already. They are now the definition of cool…that’s what every K-12 and University teaches now…plus the media 24/7.

Sure, she’ll be confirmed…and Obama is a great golf player and a ‘hottie’ and really good on MSM TV. But we are at war against the left now. We may lose this battle…fine, but let’s at least draw some lines. There is more at stake here than an academic game. We have already lost that.

It’s time to fight. Quit conceding every battle because you think it’s not cool. America isn’t cool, but it works. Wake up.

AUINSC on May 13, 2010 at 10:10 PM

An Upper West Side radical? Whodathunkit? She’s Obama with better pitching skills and about 50 more pounds.

JammieWearingFool on May 13, 2010 at 10:11 PM

Her thesis wasn’t “on socialism”… it was advocated for socialism… there is huge difference… sorry, but she looks like the typical radical marching through the institutions…

ninjapirate on May 13, 2010 at 10:07 PM

One of the more droll remarks I read about that, written somewhere in comments on some site a day or two ago about Kagan and that thesis on Socialism, was this: “just because I might write about frogs doesn’t mean that I’m a frog.”

Hahahaha….

Lourdes on May 13, 2010 at 10:12 PM

She was nominated for one reason and one reason alone.

She is a rubber-stamp for the Obama agenda.

Aren’t the Republicans sick of being bullied, humiliated, locked out of policy meetings and otherwise treated like second-class citizens?

It’s November or never.

directorblue on May 13, 2010 at 10:13 PM

The GOP is going to ‘reach across the aisle’ and ‘play ball’. In short, roll over again. They don’t do anything else.

Liam on May 13, 2010 at 10:10 PM

IF they do, they’ll again be snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Lourdes on May 13, 2010 at 10:14 PM

We all know that Obama is Fascist/Socialist (socialism in guise of government control over large capitalists, either explicit or implicit)!

In short, the socialist viewpoint of his crony, Kagan, should not surprise us.

TheAlamos on May 13, 2010 at 10:15 PM

It’s kind of sad…you two accept that the left always wins. I know you think you are being fair…but the left doesn’t play fair. You two are patsies…we can’t bring up the fact that Obama’s pick for SC wrote a love poem to Socialism…cuz it’s unfair.

Seriously Ed and Allah…we are fighting an enemy that doesn’t respect rules and fair play. They want to win above all else. They’ve won the culture war already. They are now the definition of cool…that’s what every K-12 and University teaches now…plus the media 24/7.

Sure, she’ll be confirmed…and Obama is a great golf player and a ‘hottie’ and really good on MSM TV. But we are at war against the left now. We may lose this battle…fine, but let’s at least draw some lines. There is more at stake here than an academic game. We have already lost that.

It’s time to fight. Quit conceding every battle because you think it’s not cool. America isn’t cool, but it works. Wake up.

AUINSC on May 13, 2010 at 10:10 PM

Excellent, AUINSC, excellent.

Send that to the Michael Steele and Jim DeMint.

Lourdes on May 13, 2010 at 10:16 PM

I think the repubs should refuse to vote on anything until after the elections. You can’t put a stop to this crap unless you put a stop to it.(Yogi Bera..not exactly!)

tim c on May 13, 2010 at 10:16 PM

Elena Kagan is said to replace another Liberal,so
whoop de freaggin deal,ya,interesting,so the Liberal
she is replacing is old school,probably cared somewhat
of the Constitution!!

Well,here you have,a new Social Justice type breed of
radical Social Engineering being put into place,and is
being positioned to champion the cause,by any means
necessary!!!

Good grief,shes a mirror of the HOPE and CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on May 13, 2010 at 10:16 PM

BREAKING: SOMEONE IN COLLEGE THOUGHT SOCIALISM WAS A GOOD IDEA!

I don’t know about you but when I was college age, I was getting shot at by the little “effing” socialists in Vietnam. Does that make me cool, hip, qualified for the SC???

Vince on May 13, 2010 at 10:18 PM

IF they do, they’ll again be snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Lourdes on May 13, 2010 at 10:14 PM

They’ll roll over, like they always do. The Pub politicians are just that: politicians. They want to be liked; they like the pomp and circumstance, the accolades. They’re not statesmen any better than are Dems.

The Pub Party hasn’t represented me for about 20 years, and still counting.

Liam on May 13, 2010 at 10:18 PM

Aren’t the Republicans sick of being bullied, humiliated, locked out of policy meetings and otherwise treated like second-class citizens?

directorblue on May 13, 2010 at 10:13 PM

I think that’s what appeals about D.C. to Lindsey Graham, being bullied, humiliated, locked out of policy meetings and otherwise treated like a second-class citizen. He seems to thrive on all of that.

About Graham, he shows up at these hearings and actually makes significant questions of candidates (at least he did of Sotomayor), THEN he rolls over and votes in favor of all that he indicated he objected to in the hearing.

Lourdes on May 13, 2010 at 10:18 PM

Reminds me of all the stuff that the press and the GOP dragged out on BHO before his election…see what we got.
Now is the time to fight.

d1carter on May 13, 2010 at 10:18 PM

Kyl does the same thing ^^ (my 10:18 PM comments).

Lourdes on May 13, 2010 at 10:19 PM

It’s time to fight. Quit conceding every battle because you think it’s not cool. America isn’t cool, but it works. Wake up.

AUINSC on May 13, 2010 at 10:10 PM

AUINSC: Well said,Brother Patriot you have seen the LIGHT!!

(I kid about the light):)

canopfor on May 13, 2010 at 10:19 PM

Mrs. Obama wrote the paper 20 years ago, while living in the cocoon of academia. I doubt that it reflects her current state of mind.

Want to bet on that?

As for Kagan being a socialist. Isn’t Barry? After all, they went to dear old Harvard.

GarandFan on May 13, 2010 at 10:21 PM

Using a college thesis to discern someone’s overall views on life is a bad idea.

I went to an extremely liberal school, and wrote a couple of papers that could be viewed as favorable of socialism, simply because I knew it would get a better grade from my hippie TAs.

BadgerHawk on May 13, 2010 at 10:21 PM

AUINSC on May 13, 2010 at 10:10 PM

+ a gazillion!

Vince on May 13, 2010 at 10:22 PM

I disagree. Levy’s comment isn’t flippant. But, socialism was all the rage much earlier than the ’80s. All that hippie stuff from the ’60s and early ’70s (that migrated soon during the ’70s to Acid Rock Mania and then Coke Rage Mania in the ’80s), all that hippie stuff that started in the ’60s was later outed as being moreorless Communism with long hair and grass.

Lourdes on May 13, 2010 at 10:02 PM

Well then, we’ll have to agree to disagree. Yes, there was a history for Socialism and Communism on college campuses through the 60s and 70s, which eventually downgraded as minority view in the 80s & 90s only to swell again to a majority view now since those hippie Communists are the teachers.

Anyway, Levy is known for his humorous quips. His comment seems to trivialize anyone who might have a problem with Kagan’s argument FOR socialism. As in, everyone toyed with those radical ideas, what’s the big deal? It was so long ago, people change, evolve, grow out of it, etc.

Well, I have a problem with her views. Piecing together the few items she’s written, it would appear that the views argued in her thesis are not so far removed. They’re worthy of investigation and inquiry, not dismissal or a shrug of the shoulders.

conservative pilgrim on May 13, 2010 at 10:22 PM

It’s kind of sad…you two accept that the left always wins. I know you think you are being fair…but the left doesn’t play fair. You two are patsies…we can’t bring up the fact that Obama’s pick for SC wrote a love poem to Socialism…cuz it’s unfair.

Seriously Ed and Allah…we are fighting an enemy that doesn’t respect rules and fair play. They want to win above all else. They’ve won the culture war already. They are now the definition of cool…that’s what every K-12 and University teaches now…plus the media 24/7.

Sure, she’ll be confirmed…and Obama is a great golf player and a ‘hottie’ and really good on MSM TV. But we are at war against the left now. We may lose this battle…fine, but let’s at least draw some lines. There is more at stake here than an academic game. We have already lost that.

It’s time to fight. Quit conceding every battle because you think it’s not cool. America isn’t cool, but it works. Wake up.

I don’t like bullies and I’m sick of GOP Senators being bullied.

They’ve had their heads jammed into the toilets by the Democrats and they act like this is business as usual.

IT’S NOT F***ING BUSINESS AS USUAL!

Call Graham and every other weasel on the Judiciary Committee and demand they block this outrageous nominee.

directorblue on May 13, 2010 at 10:23 PM

Dean Kagan accepts award from Equal Justice Works

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrJsh7O8z3s

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http://www.equaljusticeworks.org/

canopfor on May 13, 2010 at 10:26 PM

She didn’t mean socialism socialism.

txag92 on May 13, 2010 at 10:28 PM

It’s time to fight. Quit conceding every battle because you think it’s not cool. America isn’t cool, but it works. Wake up.

AUINSC on May 13, 2010 at 10:10 PM

I don’t like bullies and I’m sick of GOP Senators being bullied.

They’ve had their heads jammed into the toilets by the Democrats and they act like this is business as usual.

IT’S NOT F***ING BUSINESS AS USUAL!

Call Graham and every other weasel on the Judiciary Committee and demand they block this outrageous nominee.

directorblue on May 13, 2010 at 10:23 PM

As Rush would say, “Right on, right on, right on!”

conservative pilgrim on May 13, 2010 at 10:28 PM

It’s not quite as bad as going back to Barack’s kindergarten essays, but it’s just about as irrelevant.

Not true. Unlike in Kindergarten, the views one espouses after finishing a long amount of collegiate education often shape one’s future views. What we can draw from this is that Kagan (or Obama) are either still Socialist-y, or they’ve abandoned their principles for a more “pragmatic” approach. We can’t assume they are free market capitalists because they 1) haven’t denounced their prior principles in favor of the new principles, and 2) their actions seem to suggest anything but.

So the real concern is that either Kagan (or Obama) is still some sort of Socialist and they are keeping this hush-hush or they are quick to abandon their beliefs. Which is better?

The GOP should and will ask about it

I don’t believe the GOP should be asking questions about things that are as relevant as say kindergarten finger paintings. Either we should ask about this thesis because it’s relevant or it’s not relevant.

MeatHeadinCA on May 13, 2010 at 10:34 PM

Not that we could look it up, but when you were in college Allahpundit, what was your college thesis about?

Americannodash on May 13, 2010 at 10:35 PM

Mrs. Obama wrote the paper 20 years ago, while living in the cocoon of academia. I doubt that it reflects her current state of mind.

Why would anyone doubt it reflects her current state of mind? That’s wishful thinking. Kagan, and even the Obamas, have never really left the cocoon of academia! Libs build on their theses; they don’t abandon them.

pearson on May 13, 2010 at 10:36 PM

Hmmm. I was certainly more liberal at college age than I am now, but I sure as hell was no socialist. I think even back then I understood the difference between right and wrong.

Sharke on May 13, 2010 at 10:39 PM

Why would anyone doubt it reflects her current state of mind? That’s wishful thinking. Kagan, and even the Obamas, have never really left the cocoon of academia! Libs build on their theses; they don’t abandon them.

pearson on May 13, 2010 at 10:36 PM

I think you nailed it. We aren’t talking about people that talked about how awesome socialism was for maybe 1 or 2 years and then went on to their 5-9 job after graduation. Ed seems to be making a huge assumption that isn’t very well-founded.

MeatHeadinCA on May 13, 2010 at 10:40 PM

She won’t get Borked, but in an election year it could make for interesting theater. I say 62 votes max.

SouthernGent on May 13, 2010 at 9:53 PM

Using the Senator Barry O’Bozo standard for SCOTUS confirmation, one need not be bothered with college theses or even Senate confirmation hearings. One needs only to know which party is which.

Jaibones on May 13, 2010 at 10:41 PM

Hmmm. I was certainly more liberal at college age than I am now, but I sure as hell was no socialist. I think even back then I understood the difference between right and wrong.

Sharke on May 13, 2010 at 10:39 PM

Even if you had been a socialist, something tells me that you would either still be a socialist or you would have openly disavowed those beliefs… One can change, but the lack of transparency in the alleged change of Kagan and the Obamas is unsettling.

MeatHeadinCA on May 13, 2010 at 10:42 PM

Either we should ask about this thesis because it’s relevant or it’s not relevant.

MeatHeadinCA on May 13, 2010 at 10:34 PM

Especially since “radicals” (her words) believe in redistribution and control, like oh I dunno, government deciding what is acceptable SPEECH. I’d like to know which amendments in our Constitution does she embrace?

conservative pilgrim on May 13, 2010 at 10:43 PM

I think you nailed it. We aren’t talking about people that talked about how awesome socialism was for maybe 1 or 2 years and then went on to their 5-9 job after graduation. Ed seems to be making a huge assumption that isn’t very well-founded.

MeatHeadinCA on May 13, 2010 at 10:40 PM

Yep, it’s not that different from anyone cutting The One the benefit of the doubt for sitting in Wright’s church for 20 years. We’ve seen enough of Obama’s policies to now know we were right about that issue. If Ed or AP have any evidence that Kagan would disavow her thesis, let’s have it.
Until you disavow your words, they remain your words.

pearson on May 13, 2010 at 10:46 PM

BREAKING: SOMEONE IN COLLEGE THOUGHT SOCIALISM WAS A GOOD IDEA!

Sorry Andy Levy, as a Columbia grad yourself…your credibility on what may or may not be socially acceptable in “developmental” college years is shot.

Many of us normal non-Ivy Leaguers never thought socialism was a good idea.

selias on May 13, 2010 at 10:48 PM

Especially since “radicals” (her words) believe in redistribution and control, like oh I dunno, government deciding what is acceptable SPEECH. I’d like to know which amendments in our Constitution does she embrace?

conservative pilgrim on May 13, 2010 at 10:43 PM

Yep yep

MeatHeadinCA on May 13, 2010 at 10:50 PM

BREAKING: SOMEONE IN COLLEGE THOUGHT SOCIALISM WAS A GOOD IDEA!

And what would make you think she no longer thinks socialism is a good idea? Just how many professors at Harvard don’t think socialism is a good idea?

pearson on May 13, 2010 at 10:51 PM

Yep, it’s not that different from anyone cutting The One the benefit of the doubt for sitting in Wright’s church for 20 years. We’ve seen enough of Obama’s policies to now know we were right about that issue. If Ed or AP have any evidence that Kagan would disavow her thesis, let’s have it.
Until you disavow your words, they remain your words.

pearson on May 13, 2010 at 10:46 PM

Yes… although, we’re dealing with people that don’t have much honor when it comes to their “word.”

All we need now is David Frum to scold us all for not blindly accepting that Kagan is some Jeffersonian Constitutionalist or something.

MeatHeadinCA on May 13, 2010 at 10:51 PM

selias on May 13, 2010 at 10:48 PM

Yeah, funny that. These Ivy League grads all think it’s ‘normal’ to believe that socialism is a good idea ‘while in college’. Really? Geniuses eh? Most kids figure out that Socialism sux in grade school.

AUINSC on May 13, 2010 at 10:51 PM

yawn.

Even my thesis was about Marxism to some significant degree. Seeming ambivalent about murderous totalitarianism or (in Michelle Obama’s alleged case) institutional racism is just the thing you do to get a thesis approved. The path of least resistance, as it were, to get past a certain academic level so you can start work on something useful.

Lehosh on May 13, 2010 at 10:56 PM

The path of least resistance, as it were, to get past a certain academic level so you can start work on something useful.

Lehosh on May 13, 2010 at 10:56 PM

Can we be expecting the Trail Blazer, Kagan, to be taking the path of least resistance anytime soon?

MeatHeadinCA on May 13, 2010 at 10:59 PM

MeatHeadinCA on May 13, 2010 at 10:59 PM

Probably. The path of least resistance at her stage is to be as bland and opaque as possible, then become a completely unremarkable establishment liberal on the court.

Lehosh on May 13, 2010 at 11:01 PM

I doubt that it reflects her current state of mind.

How would you know? Why would you assume it doesn’t?

rrpjr on May 13, 2010 at 11:05 PM

Probably. The path of least resistance at her stage is to be as bland and opaque as possible, then become a completely unremarkable establishment liberal on the court.

Lehosh on May 13, 2010 at 11:01 PM

Well, I’m wondering about these confirmation hearings that she’s found so bland and useless in the past… Think she’ll take the easy route and just nod her head or do you think she’ll be telling us what she really thinks?

MeatHeadinCA on May 13, 2010 at 11:06 PM

Andy Levy’s sardonic reply:

Well, that changes everything. I’m totally on board now, boss.

AUINSC on May 13, 2010 at 11:07 PM

She won’t get borked in any case, because republicans don’t “bork” people.

rrpjr on May 13, 2010 at 11:08 PM

I would normally agree with AP about her thesis not meaning much now…if we were not discusing liberals.

Liberals have have consistently displayed their lack of maturity. If this is true, then why would we give them the benefit of the doubt amd assume that their ideas have matured when all evidence points to the contrary?

That said, whatever she wrote in college, you can bet your a$$ she still means it. We need to stop giving liberals the benefit of the doubt, they dont deserve it nor have they earned it.

Alinsky on May 13, 2010 at 11:13 PM

Where is the Republicans Anita Hill?

percysunshine on May 13, 2010 at 11:13 PM

Obama’s campaign (state senator, Illinois) pulled out all the stops to uncover court-sealed documents on his opponents…

TN Mom on May 13, 2010 at 11:26 PM

where is the conservative teddy Kennedy that goes to the Senate floor and declares that no socialist will ever sit on the SCOTUS?

Only 33% support this woman. The GOp has an oppurtunity to show america how it will lead Congress if given the power in 2010. they can mount a fight and stiop this person and demand that Obama send down a moderate to the court.

unseen on May 13, 2010 at 11:38 PM

She won’t get borked in any case, because republicans don’t “bork” people.

rrpjr on May 13, 2010 at 11:08 PM

ther eis always a first time for everything. the GOp MUSt grow a pair and they MUSt do it soon.

unseen on May 13, 2010 at 11:39 PM

there’s a time and a place for radical thought, and it’s called college.

LOL … what a cop out.

Hey look, here’s the deal. The thesis IS relevant. Take that from a guy who, in his younger days, wrote many essays extolling the virtues of socialism.

But if you ask me about them today – I’d happily tell you about what a fool I was – and how completely wrong and ignorant of the facts I was. Give me an opportunity to condemn myself for the views I held then – and I’d relish the opportunity!

Soooo … how about giving Ms Kagan the same opportunity to disavow the words she wrote back then in her younger years? Let’s see how she does with that. Let’s see how convincing she is. If you met me personally – you would wonder what powerful force or life experience converted me so completely from socialism to conservatism.

Let’s see if we get the same feel from Ms Kagan?

Shall we?

Ask her about the thesis and the words she wrote. She if she will disavow them. She if she’s “convincing” doing that.

HondaV65 on May 13, 2010 at 11:44 PM

Mrs. Obama wrote the paper 20 years ago, while living in the cocoon of academia. I doubt that it reflects her current state of mind.

Oh, do you, Ed? I don’t think that Shelly and Barry have left the college track behind them – au contraire, they’re workin’ that handcart up the grade. Bet on it.

disa on May 13, 2010 at 11:47 PM

disa on May 13, 2010 at 11:47 PM

Well the problem with Ed’s analysis – is it excuses M.O. on the basis of a “doubt” in his mind.

Why not just ASK her what was in the thesis, and ASK her if she still agrees with what she wrote? The thesis is relevant if the writer still holds the views. How can you know that if you don’t ask the writer if they still hold those views?

HondaV65 on May 13, 2010 at 11:51 PM

Speaking of socialism in college, did you ever notice they never seem all that interested in practicing it? For example, professors need to do more to redistribute those points in class to ensure an equal outcome. Points should be taken from A and B students and given to D and F students, so everyone gets a C. All grant money should be redistributed. Professors who receive huge grants should give huge chunks of the money to professors who don’t write grants and/or get denied. In fact, professor salaries should be cut to increase the salaries of the women who work the cafeterias. But for some strange reason, the university socialists have never created their social utiopia in their own ivory towers. Now why is that?

pearson on May 13, 2010 at 11:58 PM

Of course she is a radical, just like all of Obama’s inner circle. Marxists, socialists and communists make up all of Obama’s “czars” and recent nominees. Until we can get rid of these people are totally screwed.

simkeith on May 13, 2010 at 9:59 PM

They’ll be around as long as he is.

Time for an America-loving conservative in the WH. Obama is a pilonidal cyst on the a$$ of this country.

disa on May 14, 2010 at 12:01 AM

Why not just ASK her what was in the thesis, and ASK her if she still agrees with what she wrote? The thesis is relevant if the writer still holds the views. How can you know that if you don’t ask the writer if they still hold those views?

HondaV65 on May 13, 2010 at 11:51 PM

I want to dig down deep and find out how much restriction of free speech she actually favors. That’s where my shoe is pinching at the moment.

disa on May 14, 2010 at 12:04 AM

Sadly, there are many people (legions) whose minds are frozen like a fly in aspic. The formative years are the end with many people.

All the SDS leaders, where are they today…many are in the same place. Horowitz is unusual in that he flipped.

Sure, are there hangers on, groupies, that flip…sure. But the core rarely flip…at minimum they have a sentimental attachment to Socialism…the historical inevitability.

Here’s how I know. If what I say were not true, you’d have thousands of people testifying against the Soviets, against Fidel and Mao…and how they were fooled.

No, there’s no critical thought, just ideology formed at an early age.

r keller on May 14, 2010 at 12:06 AM

I’ve perused the thesis and it really didn’t bother me. Her approach was not one of personal passion, but a detached statement on the passion of others. The closing sentence about it being “sad” wasn’t a big deal to me either. I took it as a statement of being sad about a self-mutilation act rather than being sad that socialism declined.

But either way, it was a thesis. Not a manifesto of her life’s dream.

Of course, I do think she veers to the left, Obama wouldn’t have nominated if he didn’t think so as well.

I object to her being confirmed solely due to the reason she’s not fit for the position. She was totally clueless when interacting with the current justices on cases she’s argued before them.

They have no respect for her abilities as a legal scholar because she is clear a political animal, not a legal one.

ButterflyDragon on May 14, 2010 at 12:13 AM

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