Video: Swedish artist who drew Mohammed as a dog attacked at lecture
posted at 4:10 pm on May 11, 2010 by Allahpundit
Via Michael Moynihan at Reason. Remember Lars Vilks? A few years ago he decided to draw Mohammed as a pooch and has been dodging killers ever since, from garden variety Islamist nuts like “Jihad Jane” all the way up to the leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq. Funny thing, though: Not only wasn’t he intimidated, he practically dared the mujahedeen to come and get him, letting CNN cameras film his home and even booby-trapping the place in case the soldiers of Allah paid him an unexpected visit. Quote:
Vilks has faced numerous death threats over the controversial cartoon, but said in March he has built his own defense system, including a “homemade” safe room and a barbed-wire sculpture that could electrocute potential intruders.
He said he also has an ax “to chop down” anyone trying to climb through the windows of his home in southern Sweden.
“If something happens, I know exactly what to do,” Vilks told The Associated Press in an interview in Stockholm.
He got himself a guard dog too. Its name? “Muhammed.”
Fast-forward to today’s lecture. The guy who ran up and head-butted him hasn’t been identified yet, but as Moynihan notes, you can clearly hear screams of “Allahu Akbar” in the classroom as security scrambles. Note to Trey Parker and Matt Stone: If you haven’t hired full-time bodyguards yet, this is your wake-up call.
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Don’t let your religious conflicts distract you from your natural enemy, ideology. Currently there are two ideologies that have the west in their crosshairs, islamofascism and marxism.
That is my central point and semi constant focus.
ontherocks on May 11, 2010 at 9:01 PM
Thanks to Modern Warfare, I know this quote:
(Paraphrase)
There is no more exhilarating a feeling than to be shot at without result.
-Winston Churchill.
Rightwingguy on May 11, 2010 at 9:02 PM
Know what you mean. I don’t feel the need to exterminate all sand fleas, but I do avoid the sand.
ontherocks on May 11, 2010 at 9:06 PM
Why do you hate Christians so much?
Johan Klaus on May 11, 2010 at 9:07 PM
That seems to be a recurring canard of the religious, I know because I too used to think the same…
The regime of Stalin, while he was an atheist, was a result of Stalin’s own ambitions. ANY dictator worth his weight in gold does exactly what he did by ruling with an iron fist. It wasn’t his atheism that informed him in his decisions to do what he did. It was his own ambition to be top dog. All that was done in his name was simply to cement his rule over the people of Russia, etc… Religion is a political institution which transverses national borders and so it was an enemy of the state.
Furthermore, using your logic, I could say that millions more have died over the years under the rule of Christian or Muslim, or Hindi rulers, etc… The reason Stalin or others are looked at as worse than all those that came before is that they’re freshest in our minds.
If he was a Christian I bet your tune would be different and you’d likely not even bring him up as an example. We ALL like to point the finger don’t we?
SauerKraut537 on May 11, 2010 at 9:11 PM
I don’t hate Christians… I hate the dogma of religion itself (generally). It’s a virus of the mind that needs to be eradicated. But I would never FORCE anyone to not believe. That violates their rights. I would hope to cajole them into the understanding that I now enjoy.
You don’t NEED a god to be good in life Johan. It’s not a requirement, but if it WAS then where would your free will be?
As Hitchens has said so eloquently…
“Religion is the outcome of unresolved contradictions in the material world. If you make the assumption that religion is man-made, then very few things are mysterious to you. If you make the assumption that religion is man-made, then you would know why… It would be obvious to you why there are so many religions. When you make the assumption that it is man-made, you will understand why it is that religion has been such a disappointment to our species… Despite innumerable revivals, missionaries traveling here, there, and yon… The same problems remain with us as a species… Assume that ALL of them were discredited at the same time, all of our problems and questions would be exactly what they are right now:
How do we live with one another?
Where indeed do our morals and ethics come from?
What are our duties to one another?
How shall we build the “just” city?
All these questions would remain exactly the same… Emancipate yourselves from the shackles of a celestial dictator and you will have taken the first REAL step towards being free
SauerKraut537 on May 11, 2010 at 9:15 PM
Well, yes Stalin and Hitler were both personally ambitious and were irreligious. Going so far as to view the churches and organized religions as a threat.
Your argument that if Stalin was Christian I would be celebrating him is a little confusing. I think what the conquistadors did during the 1500′s and 1600′s in the name of God and country equally reprehensible (Spanish Inquisition, Crusades etc.). I think that you can’t nail down one factor in human nature that makes us do bad stuff. People will find reasons to excuse their behavior no matter what. Maybe it’s o.k. because God will forgive you or maybe it’s o.k. because there is no God.
Bad people are bad because it’s in their nature. By abandoning religion, you aren’t getting rid of a major evil. Seriously, people will be fanatics for socialism, the Post office, Christianity, fascism, and Shredded Wheat. You give someone a cause that they really believe in and they will go all out for it.
Rightwingguy on May 11, 2010 at 9:25 PM
Doesn’t sound like you’re enjoying it dude, sounds like a compulsion, or obsession.
Religious people (and again, I am not one), don’t want to take away your freedoms or kill you, fanatic ideologues do.
ontherocks on May 11, 2010 at 9:26 PM
The only good Muslim is a…..(moot point, no such thing) sorry.
dmann on May 11, 2010 at 9:31 PM
I’m of Swedish descent – I may be a Dumb Swede but I’m not a Dumbass. I gotta say that the Swedes were dumb on immigration and are probably regretting their easy immigration policies that have allowed unappreciative and unassimilating Muslims into their homogenously Lutheran country.
I’m proud of Lars Vilks. Naming his dog Muhammed? Hilarious! He was the only Viking in that room while a bunch of pacifist namby-pambies allowed a bunch of loudmouthed disruptive male & female Islamofascists to shout their filth – “Allahu Akhbar!”
When is the world going to realize that Islam is not a religion of peace, is not even a religion and is in reality a gutter ideology?
CatchAll on May 11, 2010 at 9:32 PM
I didn’t say that… I was saying that if he was Christian, but had done all that he did to his people, you wouldn’t THEN be using him as an example of someone who was the worst of all the WWII leaders (something like 50 million died under his rule, war/pogroms/things of that nature).
I meant that you’d likely move on to Mao or Pol Pot but funny thing that… They were both religious buddhist if I’m not mistaken. Sure, lip service was paid to them being atheist but their religion doesn’t HAVE a deity to worship… Buddhists don’t believe in god or gods.
SauerKraut537 on May 11, 2010 at 9:33 PM
LOL. Actually, I’d move to Hitler.
Of course Hitler and Stalin weren’t taht way because they were irreligious. They were just plain evil.
Rightwingguy on May 11, 2010 at 9:35 PM
LOL. Actually, I’d move to Hitler.
Of course Hitler and Stalin weren’t that way because they were irreligious. They were just plain evil.
Rightwingguy on May 11, 2010 at 9:36 PM
Noooo! Double Post!
Rightwingguy on May 11, 2010 at 9:36 PM
I enjoy it just fine. I enjoy the debate, I find it stimulating because it strengthens the mind, and if even an inkling of what I say sinks in then I’ve done something good as I see it.
You and I are on the same page onthrocks… I just wish you’d follow the logic through to its conclusion. Call it pompous but the conclusion I’ve come to on this topic. Yeah, I obssessed a bit on the subject but I’m only looking to make people think about it.
We all should go through life striving to remove as many wrong ideas and beliefs about things as we can. In most all other endeavours in life we’re rewarded for right thought and good behavior. Why can’t we all accept the fact that we don’t KNOW for sure that these religions we follow are right? That our parents, and parents parents, ad infinitum on back into time have just passed down from generation to generation this divisive thing called religion which pits man against man and ends up as being the opposite of what it’s intended result is.
Religion seeks to dominate, all religions do, and thus they are the most base form of politics that we have. As I said in another post, religion crosses borders and demands allegiances that otherwise wouldn’t be there.
I get what you’re saying though ontherocks… I’ll calm down about it one day but rest assured I’m with when and if the nutters come to take us out.
SauerKraut537 on May 11, 2010 at 9:41 PM
I just realized why Lars Vilks named his dog Mohammed.
It was so he could beat the Devil out of it and because the dog was curtailed. ;)
CatchAll on May 11, 2010 at 9:42 PM
We all should go through life striving to remove as many wrong ideas and beliefs about things as we can. In most all other endeavours in life we’re rewarded for right thought and good behavior.
SauerKraut537 on May 11, 2010 at 9:41 PM
Careful, reading like religious dogma that.
ontherocks on May 11, 2010 at 9:48 PM
It’s a neutral dogma. It doesn’t pick sides. It just is the way we live in all respects, except for when it comes to the supernatural and ethereal.
Why is that? Why is it a good thing to be “spiritual”? What special benefits does it impart to someone? Peace of mind for what comes “after”?
Just accept that we don’t know, nobody has ever come back to tell the tale (and I’m not saying someone who was ONLY (I say only) revived after a short amount of time, etc).
It’s OK to not have an answer. Everyone thinks ignorance is a bad thing, and I supposed it is in situations, but it’s OK to not know or have a good answer. Instead, everyone has an answer…
SauerKraut537 on May 11, 2010 at 9:53 PM
Thanks Joe, that just made me sick.
“Useful idiots” the Soviets called our Liberals…
They’ll never understand how their policies ruin civilizations will they? Even if the country comes crashing down around them our Liberals will be astonished at how it could happen.
scotash on May 11, 2010 at 10:03 PM
If it gives guidance or comfort to an individual, then it would be positive, and not necessarily religious, at least in the organized sense.
But like Hitchens you’re working too hard to discredit religions. That is not a positive or realistic goal.
Hitchens may be correct in some of his assertions, but he is also conflicted, and supremely arrogant. If you emulate him, you will lose your way, as he has.
ontherocks on May 11, 2010 at 10:04 PM
Uh….yes, you could. In the real world, anyway. Who knows what the hell would happen in the fantasyland you currently call home.
Sure they would. And Walgreen pharmacists behave just the same as crack dealers too.
So, is it safe to assume that you are a complete moron?
xblade on May 11, 2010 at 10:06 PM
LOL! Then you need to watch this 10 minute clip from the TV show called Top Gear… It’s a prime example of what I’d be dealing with if I was to do that…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMJ2Xvme_lk
Sure, it’s TV, but it was real. I’ve heard interviews with the James May and the other guys of Top Gear, and that was no stunt. It was a stunt that they pulled on the locals, but they didn’t coordinate it at all. Those guys in Alabama were seriously about to beat the living tar out of them if they got a hold of them… At least rough them up a bit… go watch it and learn that I WOULD in fact face ignorant red necks who’d likely do me harm.
If you still don’t believe me then you’re being intellectually dishonest and need to change your perspective on things a bit.
SauerKraut537 on May 11, 2010 at 10:14 PM
I’m not a follower of any one man ontherocks… I’m a follower of right thought though. Hitchens has some good points as well as some bad, JUST like everyone else. My thought process is tempered and rational. I’m not gonna idoize any one man anymore. Doing so with Jesus was enough for me. I still respect a lot of the sentiments of Jesus though, he was a man of good intentions (if he even existed).
The reason I say if he even existed is because in my path to deconversion I came across a lot of religious texts, and read a lot before I made my final leap into deistic-atheism… There are a lot of stories and myths prior to Jesus time and the funny thing is that a lot of them have the very same components of the Jesus story. Almost as if the story was lifted by a bunch of different people over an extended period of time, and the names were just replaced with newer ones.
Anyway, Newton himself in his later years went crazy trying to prove the veracity of alchemy… Even though he ALSO gave us much of the basic science we know to be true today, and what we’ve built on since his time. But I don’t idolize men any more.
I see paragons of society in our history, and seek to learn from their wisdom, but I don’t idolize them.
SauerKraut537 on May 11, 2010 at 10:23 PM
Well, I see AP has created another ‘sock-puppet’.. A seemingly erudite, but ultimately ignorant creature designed to increase (usually) off topic comments in an attempt to maximize page hit counts.
LegendHasIt on May 11, 2010 at 10:33 PM
I didn’t use the word idolize, which has vague religious connotations, I said emulate.
If your de religious epiphany enlightens your world view, congrats. But to selectively make leaps of non faith with a small subset of facts or history will not un-convince religious people of their beliefs. It is a wasted and destructive effort. Just comfort yourself in your own evolving (hopefully) belief system and leave it at that.
And now, if you will excuse me, it’s time for my evening prayers.
Heh.
ontherocks on May 11, 2010 at 10:37 PM
Now that’s funny… I suppose me being a sock puppet implies I’m really AP? While I admire AP’s desire to put the topic out there, I am not him. But I’ll take the off hand compliment of saying I write as well as him. Does he write that well? (just kidding if you’re watching AP)! Hey! He’s not omniscient and omnipresent is he? ;-)
SauerKraut537 on May 11, 2010 at 10:39 PM
Religion of Pieces!
Europe, it was nice knowing ya.
Inanemergencydial on May 11, 2010 at 10:42 PM
I don’t know ontherocks… People’s beliefs have consequences don’t they? As evidenced by the suicide bombers and other nutters who perform acts in the names of gods… If you believe their wrong in their belief, wouldn’t you seek to dissuade them of the notion that their beliefs are right? Or do you just kill ‘em?
Call it evangelizing if you wish but it’s just raising the consciousness of people, that’s all I’m seeking to accomplish…
SauerKraut537 on May 11, 2010 at 10:43 PM
May 20, National Draw Mohammed day.
CapitalistPig on May 11, 2010 at 10:44 PM
It is no wonder you have foolishly rejected God, you seem quite content with your own understanding.
Inanemergencydial on May 11, 2010 at 10:45 PM
Oh, and I hope it’s successful as the other 2% of your prayers that have been answered in your life… ;-) Just joshing you a bit. g’night.
SauerKraut537 on May 11, 2010 at 10:46 PM
Wow, that’s a first. I’ve never had a denial of sockpuppetry issued before.
Maybe is IS a real person, for a change….Either that, or he is just tired of having to create new ones every time I ‘out’ them. A thankless task, but someone has to do it.
LegendHasIt on May 11, 2010 at 10:47 PM
Yawn. Atheist are always so insecure of themselves.
Norwegian on May 11, 2010 at 10:48 PM
Why is it a good thing to submit your will to other earthly creatures who preach to you of this god you think exists (you don’t know)?
And I suppose you’re trying to be smart by rephrasing Proverbs 3:5 which says “Trust the Lord your god with all your heart, and lean NOT on your own understanding.”
Funny how you were told as a kid that this was a good thing, and even as an “adult” you blindly follow the lead of others who say they have your interests at heart, but hey, they say, give us a donation will you? See these pictures of some malnourished kids? We need money to buy them food… Then the next year you see them driving a Bentley… Hmm..
Be a sheep if you like, I’ve had enough of the charlatans Inanemergency…
SauerKraut537 on May 11, 2010 at 10:49 PM
Yawn…
SauerKraut537 on May 11, 2010 at 10:52 PM
I say it’s time to make a ‘Piss Mohammed’ “art” exhibit.
MsUnderestimated on May 11, 2010 at 10:58 PM
To Norwegian and Inane…
In case you missed it above…
“Religion is the outcome of unresolved contradictions in the material world. If you make the assumption that religion is man-made, then very few things are mysterious to you. If you make the assumption that religion is man-made, then you would know why… It would be obvious to you why there are so many religions. When you make the assumption that it is man-made, you will understand why it is that religion has been such a disappointment to our species… Despite innumerable revivals, missionaries traveling here, there, and yon… The same problems remain with us as a species… Assume that ALL of them were discredited at the same time, all of our problems and questions would be exactly what they are right now:
How do we live with one another?
Where indeed do our morals and ethics come from?
What are our duties to one another?
How shall we build the “just” city?
All these questions would remain exactly the same… Emancipate yourselves from the shackles of a celestial dictator and you will have taken the first REAL step towards being free.”
Chistopher Hitchens, debate with William Lane Craig in 2009
You have no idea, because you see through the lense of religious belief, how TRUE that last sentence of Hitchen’s is.
SauerKraut537 on May 11, 2010 at 10:59 PM
Kurt Westergaard was attacked for lampooning the pedophile, prophet too.
profitsbeard on May 11, 2010 at 11:03 PM
I’m totally with you on that MsUnderestimated… Like the name too. May 20th is draw Mohammad day… It’s a day to draw the prophet Mohammad to exercise your right to free speech. ;-)
SauerKraut537 on May 11, 2010 at 11:03 PM
I am tired of their aggrieved mooselimb antics…and their apologists like SauerKraut537.
SauerKraut…spew that to a muslim, and get back to me with the result, ok?
Until then, piss off.
Gothguy on May 11, 2010 at 11:07 PM
I’ll say the same to you that I said to another person on page (2) earlier… You say that as if I could drive a truck with a bunch of “atheistic” signs through central Alabama/Georgia/Mississippi without incident. And that’s the BIBLE BELT of AMERICA. Even in my own state of Texas doing something like that might put my life in jeopardy… Hell, I can’t even run for public office because I’m now an atheist.
Please spare me the “Christians are tolerant and peaceful” canard. I myself performed acts in the name of god against gay people when I was really young and stupid because the Bible clearly says that god frowns upon homos and that they should be stoned to death (not that I KILLED any of them but I egged them and snowballed them with trucks full of ready made snowballs.) Yeah, the stupidity of youth… I know better now.
SauerKraut537 on May 11, 2010 at 11:14 PM
Think what you like, everyone does. I’m not he, and so you can take your hand out of your crotch now, you’re not talking to THE AP.
Douche
SauerKraut537 on May 11, 2010 at 11:17 PM
Notice everywhere they go it ends up looking like a Palestinian riot. What gives them the right to act and behave like animals?
It makes you wonder what the Crusaders really faced and may explain some of their extreme acts. I am afraid in the end we’ll be forced into a battle we may not want, but will have to win.
archer52 on May 11, 2010 at 11:20 PM
Interestingly archer, everyone knocks the crusades as US going into THEIR territory and being mean and bad but what is not oftenly enough stated is that the crusades were a response to Islamic pressure being applied against the believing Christians of the day. Christianity was already IN existence, but the Muslims then came along not wanting to be outdone themselves so created a religion of their own just like the Christians did from Judaism, and voila! Ready made conflict!
Either way, the crusades were a response to he Muslim advances on territory that USED to be Christian owned…
See how these religions divide us peeps?
SauerKraut537 on May 11, 2010 at 11:27 PM
EXACTLY my sentiment archer… (forgot to say)… It certainly DOES seem like we’re destined today to have to duke it out in this cagematch event between the two dominant religions of the day…
Such a shame that we have to go through with it.
SauerKraut537 on May 11, 2010 at 11:29 PM
I’m with you CatchAll – I’m a Dane, and have talked to several over the years that are really PO’d at the open border policy. They are really conflicted, because they are truly an open people – small, tightly knit community – that has had their openness abused by a horde of Islamic A-Holes.
And thats what they are. A bunch of insecure a-holes who need to compensate by shitting in everyone else’s punch bowl.
peski on May 11, 2010 at 11:33 PM
They divide the same way they unite – people need something outside themselves to explain bad sht that happens.
peski on May 11, 2010 at 11:36 PM
OMGoodness. That was an extreme amount of patience.
Saintly in fact. I hate when I miss AnninCA.
ORconservative on May 11, 2010 at 11:39 PM
I’ve lived thru it. 3 times. Excellent quote.
di butler on May 11, 2010 at 11:39 PM
Well said peski but divide us they do, and with great effect as well. As you no doubt can see from the actions of THEM against US, and the destructiveness of their suicide attacks. You certainly feel it more than I (live in Texas) but the sting of the attacks will likely get worse before they get better. Unfortunately.
This is going to have to come to a full conflict before the pressure can be released. I just hope we make it through to the other side relatively unscathed.
One of these days the truck isn’t a truck but a real bomb. I dread the day it happens but unless people wake up and want to skirt around the eschatological elements of these religions texts… It’s fast becoming a self fulfilling prophecy.
SauerKraut537 on May 11, 2010 at 11:44 PM
when I say bomb, I mean BOMB (nuke or dirty bomb, etc). People laugh it off or stick their heads in the sand to get away from the reality of it but the divisiveness is there. Religion will be our downfall. It’s a cagematch event with the cheesy announcers voice in the background naming the contestants.
SauerKraut537 on May 11, 2010 at 11:46 PM
Yeah, really. Their ultra-conservative great grandchildren will be cursing their hippie great grandparents in Europe for leading them back into a weird neo-Soviet type Dark Ages and having to obey Sharia Law. Well, I guess they will just have to suck it up and take their frustrations out by kicking Ali’s goat tethered in the hallway of their crumbling flatblock.
And, no, the damn elevators won’t work either.
Dr. ZhivBlago on May 11, 2010 at 11:54 PM
Apparently not. Just a change of target.
LegendHasIt on May 11, 2010 at 11:56 PM
Cute Legend… Nice to see you have addressed any of my points. Other than that, I was just showing an example of stupid beliefs based on religious ideas of absolute morality.
SauerKraut537 on May 12, 2010 at 12:04 AM
I’m not particularly religious, so I don’t feel the need to address your POINTS. It it your tactics and arrogance that I find to be … umm… deserving of having holes poked in.
LegendHasIt on May 12, 2010 at 12:15 AM
The religious get a pass on being able to spout half truths dressed up as divinely inspired dictations from god; while those who now live their lives based on reason alone, and not faith in something for which there is little evidence, have to keep quiet?
Legend, it’s called the marketplace of ideas. If you have an idea for something or want to make a claim, you have to put something up as evidence to back up your claim, and anecdotal stories alone doesn’t constitute evidence. That’s pretty much ALL that each religion we know on this planet has… Stories in books written by shepherds and Bedouins, shamans, gurus, etc…
All I’m saying is that they’re all just wrong on their miracle claims.
SauerKraut537 on May 12, 2010 at 12:28 AM
These “peaceful” Muslims are getting more than somewhat predictable with this nonsense. But according to Obama you can’t identify their religious extremism.
How many more people will die until the threat is clear to liberals…. or are only conservatives a threat to libs?
Yakko77 on May 12, 2010 at 12:31 AM
Planet of the apes.
Coming to a theater near(er than you think) you.
Shy Guy on May 12, 2010 at 12:34 AM
who let sauerkraut537 steer this comment thread off course?
lets get back to hating the allahu akbar girl…that was way more fun.
Argh.. I get so pissed watching this video.
johnnyboy on May 12, 2010 at 12:37 AM
I do too Johnny
SauerKraut537 on May 12, 2010 at 12:42 AM
We’re Americans. Welcome.
The Race Card on May 12, 2010 at 12:45 AM
Getting shot sucks. Getting shot at can be pretty exciting depending on who’s pulling the trigger and how scared for your life you are.
The Race Card on May 12, 2010 at 12:53 AM
Yeah, because secure people write a book’s worth of arguments on a single page of a comments thread. Not to mention give a short pithy retort to a short observation and then address a several paragraph response to it.
jarodea on May 12, 2010 at 1:01 AM
It’s called passion brother.
SauerKraut537 on May 12, 2010 at 1:05 AM
There’s passion, and then there’s insecurity. You are well past the line into insecurity I’m afraid.
jarodea on May 12, 2010 at 1:44 AM
SauerKraut, kicking ass and taking fundamentalist names. Well done brotha. Those who buy into the religious dogma of fundamentalist Christianity are being played. Organized religion is a racket. Your ignorance and fear of death and the unknown are being taken advantage of for profit and power. Lose the delusion. You’re born. You live. You die. Try living in the present. It’s liberating. Try living a good life because it’s the right thing to do, rather than in the pursuit of some silly notion of everlasting life or in fear of fire and brimstone. Goofy ass shit.
dakine on May 12, 2010 at 1:59 AM
Thanks Dakine… I think I was the last one standing today…
To expound on your comments. If you’re only good because you fear this god, or because you expect a reward from him for good behavior, don’t you think that he’d be smart enough to see through your fake belief? Or shall I say, if he’s omniscient as religious people are wont to say, don’t you think he’d know that you were trying to hoodwink him?
You don’t need a god to be good, just be good for goodness sakes. The reward is the act itself. Be honest, it makes you feel good to BE good and feel guilty when you’re bad. We all like feeling good, so just do what feels good (within reason of course). ;-)
SauerKraut537 on May 12, 2010 at 2:06 AM
… like on NO-vember 3, 2010…
Khun Joe on May 12, 2010 at 3:18 AM
Your arrogance blinds you. Truly.
You’re very young, aren’t you? If not in years, then in wisdom and maturity. You’re every glazed-eyed, slobbering religious zealot I’ve ever seen…and I’ve seen quite a few of them.
Being an “enlightened” atheist doesn’t make you more special than the rest of us. No, really. Soak that in. You’re no more special for having read Hitchens, Dawkins and Harris than Christians are for reading the Bible, or Craig, Lewis, or Zacharias.
You’re not special, Kraut. You haven’t unlocked the secrets of life. You don’t have all the answers.
You’re not better than the rest of us. Not more evolved. Not more informed. Certainly and clearly not more intelligent.
I’m eager for you to understand this so you’ll stop beclowning yourself in public forums.
Grace_is_sufficient on May 12, 2010 at 4:36 AM
You self-righteously spout your ill-formed opinions about religion and the religious as though they are facts, while criticizing those who, according to you, are doing the same thing. That makes you a hypocritical, obnoxious know-it-all and, going by how derisive you are towards though who disagree with you, you’re a damn stupid, self-loathing one. Projectors like you have a funny way of incriminating themselves like that.
Whether you believe in the supernatural or not, saying that Christianity is just as wrong as Islam disqualifies a person from serious consideration. Christians are commanded by their religion to love themselves and others, whether they are allies or enemies. If Christians aren’t loving, they aren’t acting out what they profess to believe. Islam doesn’t have a similar teaching, does it? Nope, it doesn’t – in fact, it teaches the opposite.
In light of this, if you can’t be bothered to understand and accept why Islam is the threat it is while Christianity is relatively innocuous, you’re a lost cause.
Bizarro No. 1 on May 12, 2010 at 4:46 AM
Like I said, you are a self-loather. Obvious to pretty much everyone but you, I’d guess.
Stop blaming religion and your misunderstandings of it for your personal failures, and put the blame where it actually belongs – on yourself.
Bizarro No. 1 on May 12, 2010 at 5:04 AM
You assume you know the purpose of God allowing free will.
The practicing Buddhists I live with agreed with my assessment that Buddha said, “I think God is that way.”
Slowburn on May 12, 2010 at 6:35 AM
I was once tricked into swallowing a drop of fluid containing live viruses of a disease that killed and crippled millions of people. Was this an evil act?
darktood on May 12, 2010 at 7:02 AM
Yes, boys and girls, keep hitting and kicking each other while you’re being eaten alive by Islam.
Shy Guy on May 12, 2010 at 7:23 AM
It should also be “Rename your dog Muhammad” day.
Annar on May 12, 2010 at 8:15 AM
Mohammad is a dog…
come and get me boys-I’ll put a 9mm in your head!
NRA Lifer on May 12, 2010 at 8:40 AM
Stop hurting Islamic values by denying Muslims their basic right to have a fit. Please keep insulting the pedophile and let the Muslims express themselves the only way they know how: violently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U13JjV5dsfE
Michelle Dubois on May 12, 2010 at 8:55 AM
So…. does the guy who put a cross in a jar of urine have to live in fear and have a safe room, etc?
It is odd that Napalitano thinks Christians and Tea Party people are the biggest threat to the nation when we have had the following muslim terrorist attacks:
1) bomb in underwear
2) Army Col(or was it Major or am I way off) goes on shooting spree
3) Time Square attempted bombing.
Tea Party attacks:
1) People called congressmen liars and scum at various townhalls
2) Congress claimed (with no video proof even though surrounded by cameras) that racial expletives were yelled at them and they were spit on by protestors. Of course most of these Dems regularly spit on soldiers coming home from Viet Nam.
jeffn21 on May 12, 2010 at 9:00 AM
Wouldn’t a riot shotgun with a drum magazine full of beanbag rounds have dispersed that hostile mob faster?
May God have mercy on someone in my presence exclaiming allahu akbar during a scene of violence.
Inanemergencydial on May 12, 2010 at 9:34 AM
Acts 17 (ESV)
Inanemergencydial on May 12, 2010 at 10:11 AM
I strongly condemn mocking Mohammed by portraying him as a dog. Anyone doing so should be attacked. Mohammed should always be portrayed as a pig!
thuja on May 12, 2010 at 10:30 AM
Muslim = Brainwashed Barbarian
watson007 on May 12, 2010 at 10:32 AM
The “mohammad as a pooch” link at the top has been hacked, Allah. No need to link it any longer. Just Jihadi hacker crap there now.
tickleddragon on May 12, 2010 at 10:37 AM
Think what you will Grace, religious people usually do, no matter the reality. You can call me pompous all you like because coming from someone of your caliber of thought, I take it as a compliment.
Why do you listen to these other humans who tell you that they know the mind of god. You’re being arrogant when you say that you understand this god. You’re absolutely arrogant when you tell someone of another religion that they’re wrong about their religion, so please spare me the atheists are arrogant crap. I’m just telling you to pull the log out of your own eye before pulling the splinter from your neighbors.
Funny how you were told as a kid that it was a good thing to “listen” to this god, and even as an “adult” you blindly follow the lead of others who say they have your interests at heart, but “hey”, they say, “give us a donation will you? See these pictures of some malnourished children? We need money to buy them food…” Then the next year you see them driving a Bentley… Hmm..
Be a sheep if you like, I’ve had enough of the charlatans
I was a Christian for 39 of my 41 years, and a true believer until I saw through the cloud of religious belief.
I hope someday you can realize the same.
SauerKraut537 on May 12, 2010 at 10:53 AM
Lars Vilks’ blog was hacked by islamists.
costin on May 12, 2010 at 11:06 AM
Please spare me the pop psychological analysis Bizarro and go back to your world…
I understand PERFECTLY well that Islam is a threat, it’s an ideology of zealots that is a major threat to us today. I fight against ALL ideologies, especially religious ones now, and that doesn’t exclude my former religion. The reality is that we’re seeing more and more religiously based professions of absolute morality these days, as if we haven’t dispelled enough of them (stoning for adultery, stoning apostates, stoning homosexuals are all religiously based absolute moralities). Christianity is not immune to this either.
Yes yes, of course, Christianity for all intents and purposes “gets” it… Christians for the most part “get” it and are truly peaceful, but just because they’re peaceful now doesn’t mean they won’t get midevil in the future. Just listen to your Christian brethren expressing the sentiments that these wrong headed Muslims who have the WRONG idea of god need to be wiped off the planet.
If they come for me, I’ll wipe em off the planet myself with nary a blink of the eye, but if ANY religious zaelots come after me they can all expect the same fate.
I know who my enemies are.
SauerKraut537 on May 12, 2010 at 11:07 AM
Hey, let’s not be having religious fights among ourselves. I’m a Jew, but I strongly agree with atheist Ayaan Hirsi Ali that we need Christian proselytizing of the Muslims as a way of reducing Islam’s evil. It’s not just that every Christian convert means one less possible muslim murderer. It’s also that a Christianized Islam would interpret the evil verses in Koran far different the purely Islamic way they are being interpreted now. Islam, when it has spread voluntarily, has always borrowed heavily from Hinduism and Christianity. It must be infused by the love of those two religions if it is to be humane enough to avoid World War III.
thuja on May 12, 2010 at 11:08 AM
And you claim, I suppose, to know why that is (that we have free will)? We have free will because we don’t have a choice about it. It’s how you USE that free will that defines you.
I choose to use my free will by pointing out the inane and wishful thinking of others who believe in their heart of hearts that THEIR god is the right one.
There is either one right one, or none of them are, and the more likely answer is that none of them are. They’re all just too provincial and local to the areas of the world where they spawned.
Why would a god choose one tribe of people over all the others, even when the others were created by him as well?
Why would the bronze age middle east be the most LIKELY place that a god would make himself known to us lowly humans?
Why would a god REALLY have to sacrifice himself to himself in order to allow us lowly humans into his house, and if you don’t JUST believe it, whats behind door number three Jesus? They get to go to a lake of fire for some extreme torment and fun in the flames for eternity.
SauerKraut537 on May 12, 2010 at 11:17 AM
Name calling; a tactic of the left.
Johan Klaus on May 12, 2010 at 11:19 AM
So, Christians are your enemies?
Johan Klaus on May 12, 2010 at 11:22 AM
Йохан Клаус
Johan Klaus on May 12, 2010 at 11:25 AM
Nice try Johan. I’m anything but “of” the left.
SauerKraut537 on May 12, 2010 at 11:29 AM
Christians aren’t, Christianity is, just as Islam is, and Mormonism, and any OTHER religion that makes claims that they know the supernatural.
You want to believe in a god, fine. I do as well, I just don’t think this god is a capricious, malevolent, and jealous as all the ones that have been proposed so far. They all read like an angry parent who is spanking his children for a wrong action they’ve done.
God creates man, man sins, man SPANKED out of the garden of eden. Man can now die now and experience suffering and can’t seem to “get” it and be pious enough, SPANK, god floods the earth. Man still can’t seem to “get” it so god decides to give us an “easy” out and sacrifices himself, TO himself, so that we can join him in his “house”, and now you only get spanked if you don’t believe in it and get to spend an eternity in a lake of fire…
Ridiculous… Grow up
SauerKraut537 on May 12, 2010 at 11:34 AM
@SauerKraut537 on May 12, 2010 at 11:34 AM
You seem to be posting in the wrong place. Here we are concerned about Islam’s promotion of murder and violence as a way to achieve world domination. It’s an issue that affects all atheists, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, pagans, and assorted minor groups. There are really only two large faiths today that are ready to kill on a big scale for domination: Islam and Communism. And Islam is currently the far more powerful of the two. If you want to make the debating point that Christianity is as false as Islam is as false as Hinduism you need to find a more appropriate place. I would also urge Christians to just ignore you. We need unity not petty divisions.
thuja on May 12, 2010 at 11:50 AM
We need right thought, logical thought, more than we need unity Thuja. I respect your comment though. I know this isn’t the BEST place to be talking about it but the greater threat to humanity is not Islam. It’s the concept which SPAWNS Islam. The god concept is still, after thousands of years of debate, a concept.
No one has proven he/she/it’s existence empirically. Not Craig, not Robertson, not Ted Haggard, and conversely no one has disproven he/she/it either. Not Hitchens, not Harris, not Dawkins. Thus why I say I believe in a god.
What we DO know is that while Islam today is certainly the most vocal and vociferous about their beliefs, ALL religious people fall into this mentality when it suits them.
While I believe that a god started it all, I don’t think Yahweh did, or Allah did, or Vishnu, etc…
As we can see throughout history, religion divides us more than anything else because what’s mot important to us all? This afterlife we THINK exists. The religion of Islam was a response to the rise of Christiantiy and was born out of the same philosophy. In fact, whole tracts of the koran are lifted out of the old and new testament verbatim and Christianity itself was born out of Judaism.
I’m just trying to raise the conscious of people about the reality that is religion. It’s what is pitting them against us, and in response, us against them.
SauerKraut537 on May 12, 2010 at 12:05 PM
The truth hurts you, doesn’t it? ‘Go away, Bizarro! I don’t like talking to you because you don’t tolerate my BS.’
“pop psychological analysis,” eh? LOL! Do you deny that projection exists, or are you just denying that you are guilty of it? Believe me, I don’t expect you to answer that rationally because you won’t dare to.
You are a miserable, arrogant, self-righteous bore who continuously confuses his opinions with facts. You rudely blather on and on and on because you aren’t courageous nor bright enough to face ugly truths about yourself, one of which is that you are a jerk guilt-ridden for once targeting gays, a coward who has chosen to blame religion for his moral failing instead of accurately blaming himself. That is what Leftists do – personal responsibilty is a bugaboo to them, so they pass the buck on it just like you do.
If a Christian mistreats someone else, s/he isn’t following her/his religion’s tenets. How then could someone fairly say then that Christianity is the problem? They can’t, because Christianity itself isn’t a genuine enemy/threat to anyone, anyone except for stupid paranoids like yourself, that is.
Bizarro No. 1 on May 12, 2010 at 12:09 PM
Vilks video about the Islamofascist daily death threats.
profitsbeard on May 12, 2010 at 12:11 PM
There you go again Bizarro. Please spare me the inane analysis of my comments, and me telling you to go away is simply my boredom with your childish logic.
If you think that you’re hurting me or speaking truth to me, think again. Again I say, I know who the real enemy is (hint, it’s not Christians, Muslims, Jews)
I’m addressing the bigger picture which is that religion is an institution that does the opposite of its intended goal. All religions seek to dominate as they are the most base form of politics that there is. Religion transverses national borders and demands allegiances that otherwise wouldn’t be there. The reality is that religion divides us, THUS why you had one version of Christianity when it started, and now we have hundreds of different denominations. There’s your relativity for you, relativity is what spawned the different denominations we have today Bizarro because we all have our OWN traits that we ascribe to gods psyche.
Is the goal of Christianity NOT to have everyone thinking that their god is the right god? Sure, its relatively benign today, but in its past (conquering the new world, crusades, inquisitions, etc)? JUST because Christianity has been relatively innocuous today doesn’t mean it can’t revert to it’s more midevil side. We’re talking about humans aren’t we?
That being said, Islam isn’t any different… They’re just the most vocal today and most active in trying to spread it’s beliefs. Tomorrow it could be the Scientologists or Mormons.
SauerKraut537 on May 12, 2010 at 12:24 PM
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