Great news: CBO says ObamaCare will cost $115 billion more than thought

posted at 5:02 pm on May 11, 2010 by Allahpundit

Of all the slime dripping from ObamaCare, from the de facto bribes to the procedural shenanigans to the Democrats’ insane demagoguery of townhall protesters, the gaming of the CBO numbers is what bothers me most. Which, in a way, is silly. When you’re talking about sums as fantastically astronomical as $940 billion, who cares what the actual pricetag is? But that’s just it: Obama pretended to care, touting the bending o’ the cost curve and demanding that the Democrats bring in a bill below the arbitrary yet politically toxic threshold of $1 trillion. And in order to make that happen, they were willing to tell any lie and pull any accounting trick that they had to, from rigging the cost window to obscure the actual $2.5 trillion pricetag to pouring the enormous costs of “doctor fix” into a separate bill so that it wouldn’t show up in the CBO data on O-Care to pushing the bill through the House before CBO was finished running the numbers. At a moment when Americans desperately need leaders to be frank with them about the cost of entitlements and what it’ll take to restore fiscal stability, Obama gave them a new entitlement built on lie after lie after lie. That’s the legacy of his signature domestic “achievement.”

Congressional Budget Office estimates released Tuesday predict the health care overhaul will likely cost about $115 billion more in discretionary spending over ten years than the original cost projections.

The additional spending — if approved over the years by Congress — would bring the total estimated cost of the overhaul to about $1 trillion…

The CBO released the estimates in response to a request from California Rep. Jerry Lewis, ranking Republican on the House Appropriations Committee. A spokeswoman for Lewis said the inquiry was filed before the House voted on the bill

The CBO estimated in March that the net cost of the overhaul would be $788 billion over 10 years, but cautioned that it couldn’t make an estimate of the discretionary costs without more time and information.

Because it’s discretionary spending, Congress could theoretically decide to cut it. Ahem. Just bear in mind that the vaunted “savings” from O-Care per the CBO score before the bill was voted on was $138 billion. Practically all of that is gone now, and when you incorporate the larger-than-expected cost of “doctor fix,” it looks like we’re actually into the red by the Democrats’ own accounting standards. Who could have seen that coming, except everyone?

Meanwhile, according to a Rasmussen poll released this morning before the new CBO figures came out, the number who think O-Care will increase the deficit is at its highest level yet and approaching supermajority levels. If you think repeal or serious revision is impossible, think again.


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Wow, shocking…. who could have seen this coming?

JeffinOrlando on May 11, 2010 at 5:04 PM

Shocka.

Enoxo on May 11, 2010 at 5:04 PM

Change

Notorious GOP on May 11, 2010 at 5:04 PM

It begins.

pseudonominus on May 11, 2010 at 5:04 PM

They forgot to say how unexpected this was.

Lily on May 11, 2010 at 5:06 PM

Gee, why didn’t anyone say this before they rammed it through? Oh wait, all of us were screaming this at the top of our lungs.

You gotta love that even with only 6 years of benefits offset by 10 years of taxes, they still can’t make this budget-neutral. That means this will be an absolute fiscal nightmare come 2020. Of course Obama doesn’t care since he’ll be long gone by then.

Doughboy on May 11, 2010 at 5:06 PM

Can we kick him out of our House yet?

kingsjester on May 11, 2010 at 5:06 PM

*passes out the torches*

Midas on May 11, 2010 at 5:06 PM

repeal of this thing would be the ultimate Repudiation of the Left in this country. don’t you think it would severly weaken them for some time to come politically?

wonder how much they paid off the CBO or whatever they did to make them initially bring in the cost under a Trillion for PR purposes?

jp on May 11, 2010 at 5:06 PM

“Will cost $115 billion more than thought” -

Thought by whom? That’s actually pretty close to what a bunch of us thought…..

LASue on May 11, 2010 at 5:06 PM

*passes out the torches*

Midas on May 11, 2010 at 5:06 PM

Can I have a cannon?

upinak on May 11, 2010 at 5:07 PM

Repeal-Replace-Rejoice

The 3 Rs of 2010-2012

BobMbx on May 11, 2010 at 5:09 PM

If you think repeal or serious revision is impossible, think again.

What about impeachment?

scalleywag on May 11, 2010 at 5:09 PM

“Commerce Clause!”

Del Dolemonte on May 11, 2010 at 5:10 PM

Why are we even pretending that we know how much this awful idea is going to cost now? This is nothing. It will end up costing ten times as much as anyone thinks it will, and it will be ruinous.

That’s his legacy.

Kensington on May 11, 2010 at 5:10 PM

If the GOP succumbs to career politician parasites, we’ll be stuck with this. But if Tea Party types can keep the GOP honest, then yeah, we can fix most of the damage the Democrats have done.

And by the way, why didn’t the GOP drive market-based health care reform the last time they were in charge? It would have been an electoral winner and it would have nipped this problem in the bud. Idiots.

sandberg on May 11, 2010 at 5:12 PM

Tell me something I don’s know..

davek70 on May 11, 2010 at 5:12 PM

But Ezra Klein, John Chait, and numerous others assured us it would lower the deficit.

rob verdi on May 11, 2010 at 5:12 PM

I seriously doubt it. That sounds like a vastly unrealistic lowball guess.

Daggett on May 11, 2010 at 5:13 PM

….so what else is new?

Vntnrse on May 11, 2010 at 5:13 PM

115B, is that all? Here I was thinking this might talking real money/

I want to hear every lost one of the fakes that voted for this POS answering for this.

JusDreamin on May 11, 2010 at 5:13 PM

People in the real world go to jail for stuff like this.

thmcbb on May 11, 2010 at 5:13 PM

I refer any candidate running in the primaries and–if they get on the ballot in Novembe–to a very important white paper that I penned…um, just now. It’s fairly lengthy: three words (vs. thousands of pages). It is as follows:
REPEAL THIS OBAMANATION!

Chewy the Lab on May 11, 2010 at 5:14 PM

I saw a funny bumper sticker the other day. It said, “Nobody Tell Obama what comes after a Trillion”

trubble on May 11, 2010 at 5:14 PM

It begins.

There will be so many more of these stories over the next months and years that perhaps we should find a new tagline, “unexpectedly” being taken already…

MTF on May 11, 2010 at 5:14 PM

Does that include providing health care to all the illegals he wants to give amnesty to?

scalleywag on May 11, 2010 at 5:14 PM

NO.SH!T.SHERLOCK!

sicoit on May 11, 2010 at 5:15 PM

Can I have a cannon?

upinak on May 11, 2010 at 5:07 PM

Only if you’re a very good girl and eat all your vegetables.

Chewy the Lab on May 11, 2010 at 5:15 PM

We should ride into D.C. on horesback, and take care of business like they would in the old west.
You know what I mean, Vern?

Cybergeezer on May 11, 2010 at 5:15 PM

Whuda thunk it?

TXMomof3 on May 11, 2010 at 5:16 PM

Of all the slime dripping from ObamaCare, from the de facto bribes to the procedural shenanigans to the Democrats’ insane demagoguery of townhall protesters

Don’t hold back, Allah. Tell us how you really feel!

VibrioCocci on May 11, 2010 at 5:16 PM

We should ride into D.C. on horesback, and take care of business like they would in the old west.
You know what I mean, Vern?

Cybergeezer on May 11, 2010 at 5:15 PM

Pass out the ‘chaw and have a spittin’ contest, right? ;)

Midas on May 11, 2010 at 5:16 PM

Obama and the Congress lied? Well that is a surpise!

I couldn’t quite tell what the final number would have been had there not been such thick manipulations.

Oh heck why does it matter. If it gets repealed we have to replace it with something… we should figure out what that is.

And if it doesn’t get repealed we all die poor and unhealthy in government run hospitals.

petunia on May 11, 2010 at 5:17 PM

That’s why single payer should have been passed instead!—AnninsaneCA

mossberg500 on May 11, 2010 at 5:17 PM

At a moment when Americans desperately need leaders to be frank with them about the cost of entitlements and what it’ll take to restore fiscal stability, Obama gave them a new entitlement built on lie after lie after lie. That’s the legacy of his signature domestic “achievement.”

LIAR in Chief, no more, no less.

Pinocchio is beyond being indignant. He, Obama, will be punished for his arrogance and fooling of the world.

Schadenfreude on May 11, 2010 at 5:17 PM

Banana Republik…..

Dick Turpin on May 11, 2010 at 5:18 PM

Only 115 billion? How much more after they restore some of the cuts to reimbursement that they did to “Pretend” they would save money?

seven on May 11, 2010 at 5:18 PM

Why are we even pretending that we know how much this awful idea is going to cost now? This is nothing. It will end up costing ten times as much as anyone thinks it will, and it will be ruinous.

That’s his legacy.

Kensington on May 11, 2010 at 5:10 PM

The numbers have become so huge it is impossible to comprehend. Their idea was to make us numb to the numbers and I think most people have become numb.

fourdeucer on May 11, 2010 at 5:19 PM

He, Obama, will be punished for his arrogance and fooling of the world.

Schadenfreude on May 11, 2010 at 5:17 PM

He, Obama, will probably be head of the UN when we finally oust his a$$. He’ll ruin us – therefore they will love him.

Midas on May 11, 2010 at 5:19 PM

People in the real world go to jail for stuff like this.

thmcbb on May 11, 2010 at 5:13 PM

NO.SH!T.SHERLOCK!

sicoit on May 11, 2010 at 5:15 PM

Ya mean this ain’t real? They’ll throw parties and give themselves raises for their ‘hard’ work!
All I can say is GTFO! Enough of this sh!t!

Cybergeezer on May 11, 2010 at 5:20 PM

Great news: CBO says ObamaCare will cost $115 billion more than thought misrepresented

FIFY.

BuckeyeSam on May 11, 2010 at 5:21 PM

Wonder what Gibbs has to say about this?

ctmom on May 11, 2010 at 5:21 PM

MadoffCare

faraway on May 11, 2010 at 5:23 PM

Repeal Obama’s Everythings…

Is something peculiar about to occur in a far off place?

Americannodash on May 11, 2010 at 5:24 PM

Time for a do over.

This time, Obama and Democratic leadership can go sit in the corner.

Let’s put our best foot forward and turn this over to Paul Ryan and the other members of the GOP in Congress who actually know what they’re talking about, especially all the MDs that the GOP has in Congress.

BuckeyeSam on May 11, 2010 at 5:24 PM

If you think repeal or serious revision is impossible, think again.

I want to believe.

Monica on May 11, 2010 at 5:24 PM

Pass out the ‘chaw and have a spittin’ contest, right? ;)

Midas on May 11, 2010 at 5:16 PM

Naw; Drink moonshine and tell jokes!

Cybergeezer on May 11, 2010 at 5:24 PM

Just wait ’til Obama finds out about this…

mjbrooks3 on May 11, 2010 at 5:25 PM

Just wait ’til Obama finds out about this…

mjbrooks3 on May 11, 2010 at 5:25 PM

AAAAHAAAAHAAAHAAA! Good one!

Cybergeezer on May 11, 2010 at 5:26 PM

MadoffCare

faraway on May 11, 2010 at 5:23 PM

That’s not bad. At this point, I think ObamaCare is too gracious a name. This sham needs to be ridiculed.

I’ll nominate PonziCare or, maybe, Greek-care.

BuckeyeSam on May 11, 2010 at 5:27 PM

Wait, where’s Jimbo to tell us that this is the bestest, most worthwhile, most timely, most cost-effective, most needed HCR evah!!! Where are you, Jimbo??

JAM on May 11, 2010 at 5:27 PM

People on ludes shouldn’t make sweeping reforms of 1/6 of our economy.

jukin on May 11, 2010 at 5:28 PM

About the only thing ObamaCare is going to taka care of is your wallet; It will lose weight!!

Cybergeezer on May 11, 2010 at 5:28 PM

I hate to be a wet blanket, but where’s the outrage over the energy reform legislation that is going to rear it’s ugly head tomorrow under it’s married name? (NEE: Cap’n Trade: That jolly cartoon character that cheerfully assesses you fines for breathing.)

Um, what about that several-thousand page bill that is being debated (that the ‘Pubs stopped the filibuster over) regarding Financial Reform????
Unfortunately, we are being forced to wage this domestic kerfluffle (wanted to use the W word…but, well, you get it)on multiple fronts. They are using that blast from the past, that golden oldie, that old standard song called: “Divide and Conquer.”

And we are falling for it. Additionally, the whole Miranda Rights discussion, Alena Kagan, Oil Spill, immigration…Too bad, so sad, but we have to focus on all of this or it all coalesces to dilute each issue into trivia.

Keep hammering on all fronts.

Chewy the Lab on May 11, 2010 at 5:29 PM

The important thing is that everyone’s covered. Who cares how much it cost?

Rovin on May 11, 2010 at 5:31 PM

As Mitt said: “They know it will not save any money.”

I wonder how I can get face time alone with Mike Steele. They need $ but that is illegal.

IlikedAUH2O on May 11, 2010 at 5:32 PM

the slippery slope of obamacare….

cmsinaz on May 11, 2010 at 5:32 PM

This ‘administration’ (true dictatorship) has declared war on the American people.

Cybergeezer on May 11, 2010 at 5:35 PM

And by the way, why didn’t the GOP drive market-based health care reform the last time they were in charge?

Same reason Jorge W. didn’t close the border and throw away the key.

TxAnn56 on May 11, 2010 at 5:38 PM

We need to read the Miranda Rights to every member of Congress, this preCedent, and all his czars.

Cybergeezer on May 11, 2010 at 5:38 PM

Wait, where’s Jimbo to tell us that this is the bestest, most worthwhile, most timely, most cost-effective, most needed HCR evah!!! Where are you, Jimbo??

JAM on May 11, 2010 at 5:27 PM

–I still support the bill because it disconnects employment and the health insurance market.

Jimbo3 on May 11, 2010 at 5:39 PM

–I still support the bill because it disconnects employment and the health insurance market.

Jimbo3 on May 11, 2010 at 5:39 PM

If I were you, I’d find something else to drink!

Cybergeezer on May 11, 2010 at 5:41 PM

It’s starting to make sense to me; They want to mirandize terrorists because they’re afraid they will be indicted as ‘terrorists’ by the next administration.

Cybergeezer on May 11, 2010 at 5:43 PM

The bad news is that the average slacker has no clue, nor any interest in getting a clue, in any of this money stuff.

The Obambi, like the Greek rioters, know nothing except they want their money. Of course, here the Obambi include Goldman Sachs, Pharma, GE, et al. in addition to the usual complement of unions.

Seriously, the Obambi includes the so-called MSM…I mean really..what Central Planning Statist could want more from a media operation???

Rasmussen has Obama disapproval in the low 50s. That is pretty good for a man who systematically disses large chunks of the voters and who rammed thru a h/c bill that continues to provide terrible little suprises.

A man who’s buget somehow has 100s of billion dollar deficts forever. Do we even get to see what those trillions of government spending is spent on?

Sadly, no. Our betters have signaled that we need big tax increases…like I say, do we even get to see what we’re spending the money on?

r keller on May 11, 2010 at 5:47 PM

People in the real world go to jail for stuff like this.

thmcbb on May 11, 2010 at 5:13 PM

They should.

It’s called fraud. But we all know if you call it “social justice” theft doesn’t sound as bad.

tetriskid on May 11, 2010 at 5:47 PM

Get ready for the GST/VAT!

tetriskid on May 11, 2010 at 5:47 PM

Wait, where’s Jimbo to tell us that this is the bestest, most worthwhile, most timely, most cost-effective, most needed HCR evah!!! Where are you, Jimbo??

JAM on May 11, 2010 at 5:27 PM
–I still support the bill because it disconnects employment and the health insurance market.

Jimbo3 on May 11, 2010 at 5:39 PM

Increasing costs and declining quality of care be damned, of course.

Midas on May 11, 2010 at 5:48 PM

–I still support the bill because it disconnects employment and the health insurance market.

Jimbo3 on May 11, 2010 at 5:39 PM

Well goodie for you Jimbo. Of course it connects it to the feds, and somehow you think that’s a good trade?
Never mind.

JusDreamin on May 11, 2010 at 5:49 PM

Give it a few years to actually kick in, and 115 Billion will sound like a bargain.

MikeA on May 11, 2010 at 5:50 PM

Let’s have a Congressional hearing, immediately.

SC.Charlie on May 11, 2010 at 5:51 PM

–I still support the bill because it disconnects employment and the health insurance market.

Jimbo3 on May 11, 2010 at 5:39 PM

You’re a tool who will always be a tool. How can you be so stupid? Seriously.

CWforFreedom on May 11, 2010 at 5:51 PM

GOOD GOD! WE’RE GOING TO NEED TONS OF PETROLEUM JELLY TO DEAL WITH THIS ‘ADMINISTRATION’.
AND THAT COMES FROM OIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cybergeezer on May 11, 2010 at 5:51 PM

I still support the bill because it disconnects employment and the health insurance market.

Jimbo3 on May 11, 2010 at 5:39 PM

That could have been done by many means much much more simple than ObamaCare. For example, allow individuals to deduct health insurance premiums from their income; tax health insurance premiums at the corporate level and provide individual tax credits; etc.

I would really guess that your primary reason for liking the bill is guaranteed issue and premium subsidies.

WashJeff on May 11, 2010 at 5:53 PM

P.S. Call it K Y jelly, and Obama will permit it!

Cybergeezer on May 11, 2010 at 5:55 PM

I would really guess that your primary reason for liking the bill is guaranteed issue and premium subsidies.

WashJeff on May 11, 2010 at 5:53 PM

Dolts like Jimbo think eating crap sandwiches make sense when with a little work there are alternatives.

CWforFreedom on May 11, 2010 at 5:56 PM

I still support the bill because it disconnects employment and the health insurance market.

Jimbo3 on May 11, 2010 at 5:39 PM

The employers were already doing a pretty good job with that, Jimbo. Without government involvement.

califcon on May 11, 2010 at 5:59 PM

Look, they lied about the cost to get the moderates to sign on. They knew that most folks knew it was a ruse, but that they were lying to get the thing passed because it was “the right thing to do”.

All they have to say is that, of course, it’s gonna’ cost money. We are going to cover most Americans with health care.

The numbers were “preliminary”. We said so. It’s time to “contribute” to the greater good.

This is an easy sell to liberals, progressives and lefty Democrats.

And if you oppose it, they click on the easy default: “you don’t care about the uninsured cancer ridden children and the “poor”

See? Easy Peasy!

Opposite Day on May 11, 2010 at 5:59 PM

WashJeff on May 11, 2010 at 5:53 PM

If Jimbo3 had any military service, he wouldn’t have to worry about his health care.
But we know he wouldn’t put himself out for that!
What a disgusting parasite.

Cybergeezer on May 11, 2010 at 6:00 PM

Obama blames Bush for the accounting errors he “inherited” in 3… 2… 1…

SoRight on May 11, 2010 at 6:03 PM

CWforFreedom on May 11, 2010 at 5:56 PM

What amazies me that people are willing to accept this crap sandwich and all the deficits it will cause in the future. Couple that with the unwillinginess of our politicians to face our spending issues like adults, and we have a VERY serious crisis in the making.

Let’s fix this spending problem now so kids and grandkids can enjoy a prosperous future. It is just plain EVIL to saddle kids with these kinds debts.

WashJeff on May 11, 2010 at 6:04 PM

THIS LEGISLATION WAS NOT ABOUT HEALTHCARE!
THEY’RE COLLECTING MONEY NOW, THAT WILL CONVENIENTLY GET LOST; (ENRICH THEM); AND THE PAYEES WILL HAVE NO RECOURSE TO THE MONEY THEY STOLE.

Cybergeezer on May 11, 2010 at 6:04 PM

Half of us are going to be recklessly abandoned – left to wither and die in the decimated health care system. The other half are going to be paying through the nose for this disaster – wishing we were part of the fortunate half.

Az$hats all of ‘em.

NumberTwo on May 11, 2010 at 6:04 PM

At a moment when Americans desperately need leaders to be frank with them about the cost of entitlements and what it’ll take to restore fiscal stability, Obama gave them a new entitlement built on lie after lie after lie. That’s the legacy of his signature domestic “achievement.”

Perfectly written…difficult to read, frustrating, but so well defined…when all we want is a little honesty, yes we wanted CHANGE, and all we are getting is more (much more) of the same.
So many of Obama’s votes was because Bush was not restraint enough on spending, and so many thought he was dishonest and not forthcoming…and along came this guy who rode that sentiment into the White House, and is now showing exactly what most of us knew…a liar, a thief, a crook, a hooligan, gangsta, who has no respect for America, and the great people who just want to make a living and be left alone.
My God, I detest all that this man stands for…my heart aches for the misery this man has created and continues to create…all for a little brief power and his name written in some history books, his pieces of silver…

right2bright on May 11, 2010 at 6:05 PM

Only if you’re a very good girl and eat all your vegetables.

Chewy the Lab on May 11, 2010 at 5:15 PM

Ewwwww the federal gubmint mandates the food and organic veggies taste like ca-ca!

upinak on May 11, 2010 at 6:09 PM

Obama-Speak, the fusion of sophistry and Newspeak, some think it is a gift, most know it’s just lies.

And then it will cost … and then, and then, and then ….

tarpon on May 11, 2010 at 6:10 PM

“Fraud” is right. And this was pushed through without Scott Brown’s vote using the pretext premeditated lie that this monstrosity would cut the deficit.

I’m no lawyer but it seems to me that an argument could be made to overturn this legislation on those grounds alone. Meanwhile, The G.O.P. need to demand the records of people like Cathleen Sibelius and the White House. What did they know and when did they know it?

Buy Danish on May 11, 2010 at 6:10 PM

P.S. Call it K Y jelly, and Obama will permit RAHM it!

Cybergeezer on May 11, 2010 at 5:55 PM

FTFY

upinak on May 11, 2010 at 6:10 PM

Obama is out telling college graduates that it’s possible to pick up a turd from the ‘clean end’.
And you can polish a turd if you try! He did it!

Cybergeezer on May 11, 2010 at 6:15 PM

Welll as bad as this is, we knew it was coming. What we don’t see coming is whats really going on with the Fed issuing “whatever it takes” to prop up Greece/EU. With our money.

Meanwhile, AIG is underwriting the Credit Default Swaps basically offer insurance against Greece/EU not welching on the debts and failing to pay us back. Those CDS’s are then offered on the open market where they are traded by people betting foe or against the probability of the Greeks/EU paying it back. At the market open this AM the premium for CDS’s soared meaning if AIG has to make good on its insurance the price of the premium is included. Basically by continuing to underwite in this climate they are douling , tripling, quadrpling down.(with more of our money)

But wait, it gets even better, the market players (and in particular, the TARP banks) are heavily betting against the gGreeks/EU and the Euro surviving and that they’ll default. (with more of our money)

What could go wrong?

This a Ponzi scheme of the highest order where the same cast of charachters walks away with all of our money without us having anything to do with it.

Archimedes on May 11, 2010 at 6:16 PM

Archimedes, I’m pretty sure all of that is Bush’s fault.

/

califcon on May 11, 2010 at 6:19 PM

Archimedes on May 11, 2010 at 6:16 PM

I like where your going; Any links?

Cybergeezer on May 11, 2010 at 6:19 PM

sandberg on May 11, 2010 at 5:12 PM

Because the GOP is more at home with the Big Government Rockefeller Repubs than the Small Government Goldwater Repubs.

chemman on May 11, 2010 at 6:28 PM

Give Obama a break … he never expected he’d have to actually account for spending. Communists are like that doncha know.

darwin on May 11, 2010 at 6:28 PM

I like where your going; Any links?

Cybergeezer on May 11, 2010 at 6:19 PM

I’ll get back to in couple of minutes I have to run across the street, for some uncanny reason I have a sudden urge for a drink. Back in 10.

Archimedes on May 11, 2010 at 6:32 PM

Great news: CBO says ObamaCare will cost $115 billion more than thought

Name a single socialist government program that did not cost more than projected.

Johan Klaus on May 11, 2010 at 6:32 PM

I still support the bill because it disconnects employment and the health insurance market.

Jimbo3 on May 11, 2010 at 5:39 PM

Really? How is that possible when they are requiring employers to supply insurance or pay a 2K fine per employee for not having insurance. That is a positive connection not a disconnect.

chemman on May 11, 2010 at 6:35 PM

Archimedes on May 11, 2010 at 6:32 PM

What? What drink is going to help you?

Cybergeezer on May 11, 2010 at 6:43 PM

Barry, Nancy and Harry LIED?

Well, at least they’ve been CONSISTANT.

GarandFan on May 11, 2010 at 6:45 PM

Cybergeezer on May 11, 2010 at 6:19 PM

OK I’m back, I didn’t catch his name but I got that spiel from a host of Fox Biz as walked in the room and he was giving the breakdown. As I am adequately supplied, once I am properly lubricated I am going to digging on net to verify. But if you want to take a looky I’d go to Fox.com and play with the search box.

Archimedes on May 11, 2010 at 6:46 PM

Archimedes on May 11, 2010 at 6:32 PM
What? What drink is going to help you?

Cybergeezer on May 11, 2010 at 6:43 PM

Help? I don’t think anything will actually help, dull the pain? Quite possibly.

Archimedes on May 11, 2010 at 6:51 PM

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