NYT Tells Greece to Abandon Socialized Medicine?

posted at 12:16 pm on May 10, 2010 by Jazz Shaw

You know, this has to be one of the strangest stories of the weekend. The New York Times, ever a champion of Obamacare during the recent debates, is reporting (from an April 30 article) on some rather compelling advice for the nation of Greece, which is currently teetering on the precipice of collapse. It’s part of a plan negotiated between officials of the European Union, the I.M.F. and the European Central Bank. What might help them? Don’t have nationalized health care… or any other industry for that matter.

Another reform high on the list is removing the state from the marketplace in crucial sectors like health care, transportation and energy and allowing private investment. Economists say that the liberalization of trucking routes — where a trucking license can cost up to $90,000 — and the health care industry would help bring down prices in these areas, which are among the highest in Europe.

Another area where Greece can save itself? They have have to eliminate some of the many, many jobs that the Greek government “saved or created.”

Among the most significant features of the plan, a Greek government official said, would be a measure making it easier for the government to lay off some of the many thousands of public sector workers, whose low levels of productivity and high wages are a big contributor to Greece’s debt problem. Until now, the government has not been able to lay off civil servants, whose employment rights are in effect constitutionally guaranteed.

Oddly enough, I don’t recall this same paper printing advice like this for the Obama administration. It’s a funny old world, ain’t it? But they should feel a little better because Greece is also planning to borrow a page from the American playbook and tax their way back to prosperity.

Union and government officials said Greece had also pledged to raise its value-added tax to 25 percent, to freeze civil servants’ wages and to eliminate public sector bonuses amounting to two months’ pay. They said the government intended to increase taxes on fuel, tobacco and alcohol.

Greece has long been serving as a worst case scenario example of experiments in central, socialized government, but the lab rat is pretty close to the grave now. But if they manage to pull out of this by eliminating government run health care, returning all industry to the private sector and moving people back to free market work – as opposed to large quantities of permanent, inefficient government jobs – they may yet provide an education for the rest of the western world. Particularly here in the United States.

UPDATE: I should have noted that the original report and article were from over a week ago, but given the weekend’s news it seems all the more startling. Date noted in revised text.

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Oh this is getting to be a hoot!!

canopfor on May 10, 2010 at 12:17 PM

You mean it doesn’t work in the long run??? You don’t say…

sonofdy on May 10, 2010 at 12:21 PM

Who knew?? What could go wrong??

NJ Red on May 10, 2010 at 12:22 PM

The NYT is actually advocating free market principles.

I must have woken up in a different universe.

Conservative Samizdat on May 10, 2010 at 12:23 PM

Hmmm…..Is this like that episode of Star Trek where Captain Kirk got transported by accident to an alternate evil universe and he had a goatee, and the evil captain Kirk got transported to the real Enterprise?

Seems about the same chance of that happening as the NYT printing this article after all the Obamacare lies they printed.

Johnnyreb on May 10, 2010 at 12:23 PM

did the NYT have a change of heart???? I’m confused.

deidre on May 10, 2010 at 12:25 PM

This story is why politics fascinates many.

Greece and the crisis in Europe may well be the true tipping point.

AnninCA on May 10, 2010 at 12:25 PM

WOW!!!

moonbatkiller on May 10, 2010 at 12:26 PM

Creative people have an impairment.

I happen to know that our lords in the media set priorities like a moody old lady making a pot in a home crafts class. It is how their brains work.

What you think they have some considered, rationcinated and planned agenda?

If they were capable of that we wouldn’t be headed on a course to become a bankrupt dump. Sheessshhh..

IlikedAUH2O on May 10, 2010 at 12:26 PM

Greece and the crisis in Europe may well be the true tipping point.

AnninCA on May 10, 2010 at 12:25 PM

Been there before and done that already. Just change the name of the country and that’s fundamentally how WWII got started.

Johnnyreb on May 10, 2010 at 12:27 PM

Greece has long been serving as a worst case scenario example of experiments in central, socialized government, but the lab rat is pretty close to the grave now

So, the justfication for nationalized health care was that “all the other countries do it….” hence, why not the USA? So, now that Greece is tanking big time, why shouldn’t the US abandon its stupid pursuit of nationalized healthcare when we can clearly see the writing on the wall from Greece. Or, let me guess, Greece just didn’t get their socialism “right” and we certainly will….oh yeah.. uhh huhh.

ted c on May 10, 2010 at 12:27 PM

This is mighty good “stuff”, Jazz….Keep up the good work!

GoldenEagle4444 on May 10, 2010 at 12:28 PM

Ya know,me thinks,this could be a teachable moment
for Hopey!!

canopfor on May 10, 2010 at 12:28 PM

When the US reaches the tipping point they will suddenly recommend the same thing here; and demand to be recognized as geniuses for it…

yubley on May 10, 2010 at 12:30 PM

Socialism collapsing right before our eyes … again. How many times must we go through this?

darwin on May 10, 2010 at 12:31 PM

no no no WE can do it, it’s just those uneducated crude Greeks that can’t handle the sophisticated subtleties of managing socialized health care.

Alden Pyle on May 10, 2010 at 12:32 PM

Union and government officials said Greece had also pledged to raise its value-added tax to 25 percent, to freeze civil servants’ wages and to eliminate public sector bonuses amounting to two months’ pay. They said the government intended to increase taxes on fuel, tobacco and alcohol.

Imagine for a moment having to pay a federal VAT of 25% on nearly everything that you buy, in addition to the Federal income tax. It is going to happen here too if we don’t change something soon.

Johnnyreb on May 10, 2010 at 12:32 PM

Well, why not, NYT knows what is right…the policies of reduced government is right.
They also know what is right, being on Obama’s team is “right” for them to sell papers.
Being ethical, consistent, doesn’t play into it, what is right for the NYT is selling papers…they can’t sell papers in the U.S. if they promote smaller government, they won’t get any scoops from Obama if they promote smaller government.

right2bright on May 10, 2010 at 12:33 PM

Socialism collapsing right before our eyes … again. How many times must we go through this?

darwin on May 10, 2010 at 12:31 PM

Liberals are the individuals that won’t learn from other people’s mistakes. They insist on making the same mistakes to “learn a lesson.” Idiots!!

deidre on May 10, 2010 at 12:35 PM

I got an email. OK, to explain. Imagine Aunt B of Mayberry except she went to Oberlin or Swarthmore. And has a massive ego despite the fact that she flunked economics and math.

She was rotten to blacks for decades. Did not like them. I shall not describe her impressions.

Then the trouble down south. The conditions up north were awful, too. “Well, she thought, we better help those Poooor folks out!”

So she started leading her group of followers to absolutely love all minorities. She couldn’t do enough and all her followers fell in line. Just give them gifts. Don’t worry about jobs and a real future. Grandmas don’t worry about such things. Just nice hygiene factors and gifts.

Aunt B and the American left ain’t commies. They are just stupid, creative dips.

IlikedAUH2O on May 10, 2010 at 12:36 PM

This goes on in Greece, Spain, Portugal and other countries while the democrats insist that more government involvement and bigger unions are what works.

Communism and crony capitalism = Obama administration

darwin on May 10, 2010 at 12:39 PM

Who reads the NYT anyway?

yoda on May 10, 2010 at 12:40 PM

I suspect it is more a case of they’re afraid that the Greek implosion is going to bring down their little welfare state too. They figure if they can turn most of southern Europe into austere productive capitalists, maybe they can leech off the system just a little bit longer. Socialism needs other people’s money to work.

Harry Voyager

Voyager on May 10, 2010 at 12:41 PM

Rush is on a tear!!

canopfor on May 10, 2010 at 12:44 PM

Who reads the NYT anyway?

yoda on May 10, 2010 at 12:40 PM

yoda:Really smart Socialist Liberals!!

canopfor on May 10, 2010 at 12:44 PM

Socialism collapsing right before our eyes … again. How many times must we go through this?

darwin on May 10, 2010 at 12:31 PM

It’s twice as annoying when it’s inconsistantly discussed.
People who refuse to give Reagan credit for the fall of the Soviet Union invariably state that the communist/socialist government was destined to collapse under its own weight/fail/however they phrase it to imply that Reagan had nothing to do with it.

Those same people turn right around and espouse the virtues of a socialist society.

DrAllecon on May 10, 2010 at 12:45 PM

Socialism collapsing right before our eyes … again. How many times must we go through this?

darwin on May 10, 2010 at 12:31 PM

1. California.
2. New York.
3. New Jersey.
4. Illinois.
5. Ohio.
6.
7.
… probably about 35 to 45 more times.

BowHuntingTexas on May 10, 2010 at 12:47 PM

… probably about 35 to 45 more times.

BowHuntingTexas on May 10, 2010 at 12:47 PM

Sorry, without some serious inflation there isn’t enough money to do many more.

Johnnyreb on May 10, 2010 at 12:51 PM

*facepalm*

Yakko77 on May 10, 2010 at 12:53 PM

Why shouldn’t American liberals demand this? If the rest of the world starts behaving responsibly, then we can avoid doing so ourselves for that much longer.

logis on May 10, 2010 at 12:59 PM

“But if they manage to pull out of this by eliminating government run health care, returning all industry to the private sector and moving people back to free market work – as opposed to large quantities of permanent, inefficient government jobs – they may yet provide an education for the rest of the western world.”……Jazz Shaw

When pigs fly!

Our own dear liberal socialist in charge right now can’t run fast enough in the direction of a central, socialized government. I fear the “education” will be far too late to “bailout” this already distructive mentality.

Rovin on May 10, 2010 at 1:02 PM

Who reads the NYT anyway?

yoda on May 10, 2010 at 12:40 PM

The birds in my bird cage

Wade on May 10, 2010 at 1:05 PM

distructive=destructive

(preview button is my friend)

Rovin on May 10, 2010 at 1:05 PM

yoda:Really smart Socialist Liberals!!

canopfor on May 10, 2010 at 12:44 PM

canopfor – That must be why Newsweek and the NYT are going broke. ( :

The birds in my bird cage
Wade on May 10, 2010 at 1:05 PM

Wade – I hope your birds have a good aim for the Dems photos.

yoda on May 10, 2010 at 1:20 PM

yoda:Really smart Socialist Liberals!!

canopfor on May 10, 2010 at 12:44 PM
canopfor – That must be why Newsweek and the NYT are going broke. ( :

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yoda:Yup,tee-hee:)

canopfor on May 10, 2010 at 1:25 PM

canopfor on May 10, 2010 at 1:25 PM

I thought I saw your name beside one of the videos on Iowntheworld yesterday.

yoda on May 10, 2010 at 1:30 PM

Sounds like a good plan. Add a VAT to a crap economy, get less money and a smaller economy. Brilliant.

Phase two would be printing more money – oh wait, they are tied into the Euro.

Maybe jump right into phase 3 and invade Macedonia?

I’d love to know what the Germans are really thinking about all of this.

Farewell, EU – we hardly knew you.

reaganaut on May 10, 2010 at 1:47 PM

I should say, add more of a VAT.

reaganaut on May 10, 2010 at 1:50 PM

I don’t think the fiddytoo ‘acent stupid are listening yet.

bloviator on May 10, 2010 at 1:52 PM

Weeeell, they don’t have to get rid of socialized medicine, just stop delivering it ;-)

disa on May 10, 2010 at 1:55 PM

Cut off the tap to greece, let them civil war and see what emerges from the ashes.

No more money. Figure out how to be productive and self reliant.

Inanemergencydial on May 10, 2010 at 2:01 PM

I’m liking the irony of 0bama in Denver, in 2008, and the Greek columns.

Ward Cleaver on May 10, 2010 at 2:01 PM

When pigs fly!

Rovin on May 10, 2010 at 1:02 PM

When the European Socialist PIGS fly: Portugal, Ireland, Greece, and Spain = PIGS!

Steve Z on May 10, 2010 at 2:44 PM

canopfor on May 10, 2010 at 1:25 PM
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I thought I saw your name beside one of the videos on Iowntheworld yesterday.

yoda on May 10, 2010 at 1:30 PM

yoda: Yup,thats me!!:)

canopfor on May 10, 2010 at 3:13 PM

Ward Cleaver on May 10, 2010 at 2:01 PM

good catch bub

DanMan on May 10, 2010 at 3:45 PM

yoda: Yup,thats me!!:)
canopfor on May 10, 2010 at 3:13 PM

I really enjoy going to the site everyday…now I have another good reason…canopfor ( :

yoda on May 10, 2010 at 3:48 PM

Since we own them now after the FED opened the line of credit(have you ever heard of this being done before?), shouldn’t we be able to tell them what to do? And no more free Ouzo.

Kissmygrits on May 10, 2010 at 6:24 PM

I’m liking the irony of 0bama in Denver, in 2008, and the Greek columns.

Ward Cleaver on May 10, 2010 at 2:01 PM

Oh my, foreshadowing… not good.

scotash on May 10, 2010 at 9:04 PM