Stock market in panic after Greece austerity bill passes; Update: Trading error? Update: Confirmed

posted at 3:24 pm on May 6, 2010 by Allahpundit

I don’t recommend watching the ticker on cable. I had it on at around 2:45 as the Dow dropped from -400 to just under -1,000 in the span of about five minutes, which left me actually shaking a bit afterwards at the prospect of a bona fide freefall crash. The market closes at 4 p.m. so expect more volatility in the next 40 minutes as panicky investors bail out before the bell rings. (Tomorrow should be fun, too, since people won’t want to be caught long over the weekend.) If you’re thinking that they’ll halt trading in case the bottom drops out, think again: After 2:30 p.m., there are no curbs until -2,150. Time to revisit that rule, perhaps.

If you’re feeling a sense of deja vu here, there’s a good reason.

One trader, on the condition of anonymity, said he heard fixed income desks in Europe shut down early because there was no liquidity — basically European banks are halting lending right now.

“This is similar to what took place pre-Lehman Brothers,” the trader said.

Meanwhile in Greece, the socialist-dominated parliament passed the austerity package 172-121, sending thousands of people into the streets in angry protest of, er, fiscal reality. No one’s been killed today — yet — but the air is filled with rocks and tear gas. Here’s your thread to hold hands and hope for the best. Stand by for updates.

Update: A fascinating tip from reader David M.:

There was a bad print (trade) in Proctor and Gamble (PG) It went from the low $60 to $40′s for no reason. I worked on the NYSE for 10 years now daytrade and this is what set off the stampede. The market was primed for any reason for a sell off, the spill in the gulf and Greece, so it was the straw that broke the camels back. When something like that happens it sets off machine generated sell orders adding a pile on effect. Not good, but the recent bull market has been based on unicorns and fairy dust, it will be a very interesting summer.

PG did indeed see the bottom drop out this afternoon, but I can’t tell if it instigated the market freefall or was simply dragged along with it.

Update: Needless to say, the Euro is FUBAR.

The euro fell further against the dollar, hitting a new 14-month low. The euro has tumbled against the dollar since last fall as faith in Europe’s shared currency dwindles. Greece’s debt crunch is widely seen as a test of Europe’s ability to restore fiscal discipline to the weak economies in its union and keep the decade-old currency viable.

“It’s going to drop further,” Tim Speiss, chairman of the personal wealth advisers practice at Eisner LLP in New York, said of the euro.

Update: Looks like that PG tip is panning out. From Becky Quick at CNBC, you’ve got to be kidding:

Human error was expected to have triggered intraday selloff. Somebody may have typed “billion” stedda “million”

More:

P&G calling its intraday plunge an issue with electronic exchanges. Didn’t fall below $56 on nyse trading.

Update: Unbelievable.

According to multiple sources, a trader entered a “b” for billion instead of an “m” for million in a trade possibly involving Procter & Gamble, a component in the Dow. (CNBC’s Jim Cramer noted suspicious price movement in P&G stock on air during the height of the market selloff.

Via Business Insider, here’s the Cramer clip. Consider this an odd counterpart to the other big story of the week: In today’s world, one moron can do a lot of damage.

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powerful trading error, someone hits ‘b’ instead of ‘m’ and banks in Greece spontaneous combusted. Oh wait, the banks were already set on fire by public sector union thugs. Say what

Don’t we all understand the root of the problem, government spending worldwide is not sustainable.

The world is on edge.

tarpon on May 6, 2010 at 4:41 PM

Odie1941 on May 6, 2010 at 4:37 PM

Small world, you going to the reunion of June 3?

Daveyardbird on May 6, 2010 at 4:43 PM

The market goes up, the market goes down, all the time. If you can’t stomach that, you shouldn’t be in the market.

docdave on May 6, 2010 at 4:43 PM

unseen on May 6, 2010 at 4:31 PM

It’s not about “demand picking up”. Right now, a lot of resources are being used inefficiently because circumstances have changed. The economy will expand again once those resources have been adjusted. The problem is that our government is tying to shore up against the necessary readjustments by bailing out failure, slowing down the process.

Count to 10 on May 6, 2010 at 4:44 PM

It’s insane to use anything from CNBC as confirmation.

GCM on May 6, 2010 at 4:45 PM

Guess Y2K was going to be something like this

jp on May 6, 2010 at 4:53 PM

Trading error?

ooopsie

cmsinaz on May 6, 2010 at 4:56 PM

When I read the economic outlook for china yesterday — that they can expect a popping property bubble to destroy their growth — I had that same sort of queasy feeling. When this happened today, I was shaken too, but I do feel a little better that it was human error. Not MUCH better, but a little. The truth is, I keep having that feeling like the unicorns and fairy dust are about to be washed away in a biblical flood of bad economic news. I hope I’m wrong, but I think we’re currently in the early stages of a World War III/Greater Depression dynamic duo. The world news/Economic news and socioeconomic climate is just spiraling downward at such an amazing rate, my head is all messed up.

WashingtonsWake on May 6, 2010 at 4:41 PM

I have had a very similar feeling for quite some time now.

KinleyArdal on May 6, 2010 at 4:56 PM

FREEBAGGERS!
dhunter on May 6, 2010 at 3:58 PM

I am so stealing this.

agmartin on May 6, 2010 at 4:56 PM

It’s not about “demand picking up”. Right now, a lot of resources are being used inefficiently because circumstances have changed. The economy will expand again once those resources have been adjusted. The problem is that our government is tying to shore up against the necessary readjustments by bailing out failure, slowing down the process.

Count to 10 on May 6, 2010 at 4:44 PM

Count,

what resources are you talking about? employment? Loss of wealth from housing market? Tarp? tax payer money?

Go talk to people in line at Walmart, target, best buy. They do not have the money to buy what they want. Things are too expensive for them too many people ar eno longer a part of the economy. So far companies have tried to ride out the recession by cutting supply, laying off workers, triming production, cutting costs. They have not made any effort towards the real problem and that is profit margins.

Gm instead of laying off people should be hiring increasing supply and dropping prices on their cars until demand picks up. Refiners should be going all out in production so that the supply of gas floods the market and prices drop so demand picks up.

look at China. when china first starting producing things their people could not afford most of the products produced so they exported to the USa. Now has their production picks up and their people are working and producing wealth they are starting to buy their products increasing their economy.

Yes the government is stopping the reallocation of wealth from the failures to the sucesses but until prices drop we will never have a “booming” economy. Watch what happens to the economy when gas hits $4.00/gal

unseen on May 6, 2010 at 5:04 PM

Rovin on May 6, 2010 at 4:40 PM

*snort* That was cute!

upinak on May 6, 2010 at 5:05 PM

FREEBAGGERS!
dhunter on May 6, 2010 at 3:58 PM
I am so stealing this.

agmartin on May 6, 2010 at 4:56 PM

Steal away!
Didn’t Sharpton just let the cat out of the bag. Rush played him sayin MLK dream was not a black man in the Whitehouse but equality in EVERY house.
So Sharpton and Pinnochios’ dreams are for ever more FREEBAGGERS denmanding ever more stuff from those of us who educate ourselves and work.

Now if Pinnochio can IMPORT 30-50 million more FREEBAGGERS he will have turned us into Greece where the FREEBAGGERS outnumber the workers thus vote themselves free stuff for as long a the system will allow.
We ARE almost to that point when 47% do not pay taxes!

dhunter on May 6, 2010 at 5:06 PM

This quote very succinctly explains everything:


“There is simply a growing recognition that Greece has got to default, said Rochdale banking analyst Dick Bove. “The riots in the streets showed the decision to repay the debt was not going to be made by the people in Germany, France and Switzerland, it’s going to be made by people in Greece and they’re not going to repay it,” he said. “Anyone seeing the riots is going to recognize that this government is going to be thrown out and anything replacing this government is going to be far more leftist leaning and they’re going to repudiate.”

As someone once said, “You can’t legislate away reality.” It’s a lesson the Left absolutely refuses to learn. One only need look at the morons in Greece, blaming everything under the sun – “tax evaders!”, “fat cat bankers!”, “rich people!” – except the real problem: a parasitic, socialist entitlement culture that’s bled it’s host – i.e. Greece’s private sector – dry.

Bove is right. Next will come a hard Left govt for Greece, a govt that in it’s refusal to learn from reality, will confiscate even more wealth from the country’s productive class in order to prop up the unproductive class…resulting in even lower GDP…which will result in lower tax revenue…which will result in more taxation…


…Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They [socialists] always run out of other people’s money. It’s quite a characteristic of them.”
– Margaret Thatcher

rvastar on May 6, 2010 at 5:06 PM

Heh. Wait until tomorrow….

Vashta.Nerada on May 6, 2010 at 5:19 PM

According to multiple sources, a trader entered a “b” for billion instead of an “m” for million in a trade possibly involving Procter & Gamble, a component in the Dow…

Yeah, sure.

Plunge Protection Team’s Two Favorite Shares Hit Circuit Breakers?:

Stacy Summary: Interesting that the two shares that hit circuit breakers today, P&G and 3M, are often cited as two of the stocks that the PPT targets for buying for the precise purpose that, as they are so heavily weighted, they can move the Dow more than others. Your thoughts?

PLUNGE! 1987 Style – Sudden Drop in US Stocks Driven by Program Trading and a Ponzi Market Structure :

And as you might expect, the anchors on financial television are trying to excuse and blame the sell off on a ‘fat finger’ order that caused Proctor and Gamble to drop 20 points in 45 seconds. Or a typist inputting an order to sell 16 million e-mini SP futures, and typing “B” instead of “M.” Oops. Crashed the free world.

Even if any of this was true, it was just the spark that caused the market to plummet because of its highly unstable, artificial, and inherently manipulative operational structure. There is no longer any price discovery. The US financial system is a casino, dominated by a few big Banks and hedge funds, the gangs of New York.

Rae on May 6, 2010 at 5:21 PM

I’m tired of being called an “alarmist”. The point is, unless there is massive incumbent rejection this fall, Greece can be considered a modest preview of what awaits the United States. The good news is that European fears alone are only a temporary setback for us. The bad news is that our spending habits (both Democrat and Republican) are as sure a prescription for doom as the laws of gravity causing a house to slip off a hill during a mud slide.

Other ‘Hot Air’ Bloggers are absolutely correct in stating that the ‘Euro’ concept is what transformed a local crisis in Greece to a European panic. But that alone is hardly a fatal blow to us. But spending is.

As for taxes to support our spendthrift ways. More taxes would actually generate less revenue as more people would be fired, cash deals and barter exchanges would flourish and the economy would stagnate thus exacerbating the crisis. Besides even if every income earner of any kind (not just the rich) were taxed at 100% (a ludicrous proposition) it would not make a dent in either reducing national debt or increasing revenue. In fact the opposite would occur and the collapse would only be expedited.

MaiDee on May 6, 2010 at 5:23 PM

Trading error my a$$.

Fletch54 on May 6, 2010 at 4:00 PM

Exactly!!! Yet the protestors in Greece are trying to punish the private sector, for what the Government did to them. Seem familiar? This is precisely what Obama is trying to do. Rile, and rally people to punish the private sector for what he, and his cronies are responsible for.

If people would take a step back, and realize what is REALLY going on here, we might be able to get somewhere. The way it’s going now, people refuse to think….and just join up with the mob mentality.

capejasmine on May 6, 2010 at 5:23 PM

I had a program trade set to buy PG at $39 as a joke. I hope it triggered………

Vashta.Nerada on May 6, 2010 at 5:24 PM

Good thing it rebounded some. yeah. Tomorrow should be fun.

johnnyU on May 6, 2010 at 5:34 PM

When is the Obami going to go on TV and say we must bail out our socialist brothers and sisters in Europe???

Thanks Europe for destroying our recovery.

Lance Murdock on May 6, 2010 at 3:29 PM

Recovery? Guess I missed something.

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 6, 2010 at 5:47 PM

Time to put $$$ under the mattress.

GrannyDee on May 6, 2010 at 6:18 PM

latest update- it is not technically a trading error the way it happened but the 0 trades that printed on Accenture and others will be taken off the tape. Duncan Niederhaue sp? CEO of NYSE explained it very well, NYSE is set up to slow down the trades to less than a minute but more than a millisecond when orders like the 0 come in, but the other electronic exchanges are not, so when NYSE isnt printing a sell it moves on to the next exchange and gets the lower print and then sell and buy orders kick in and the plunge begins from there.

three different traders of good rep were saying this will happen again if CTC SEC doesnt apply the NYSE model to all electronic trading firms.

ginaswo on May 6, 2010 at 6:28 PM

It’s time to play everyone’s favorite stock-market parlor game: WHERE’S SOROS?

tsj017 on May 6, 2010 at 6:33 PM

It’s time to play everyone’s favorite stock-market parlor game: WHERE’S SOROS?

tsj017 on May 6, 2010 at 6:33 PM

He’s probably where he usually is, under a rock with the other scummy creatures.

tru2tx on May 6, 2010 at 6:37 PM

Can anyone give me some kind of idea just how “austere” the measures in Greece will be? To say they are going to take pay cuts and pension cuts means absolutely nothing to me. I need to know how much of a cut would make murder and destruction acceptable. I hope someone with some knowledge wanders back to this thread.

Cindy Munford on May 6, 2010 at 7:18 PM

I just heard on FBN that the NYSE is going to CANCEL all trades that took place between 14:40 and 15:00.

I don’t know how they are going to do that, I mean, the other markets, NASDAQ and AMEX for example, were also down huge, and then back up big. Are they going to follow suit?

rslancer14 on May 6, 2010 at 7:24 PM

Well..there we go, NASDAQ has followed suit.

weird.

rslancer14 on May 6, 2010 at 7:27 PM

Why are Greece/Europe in trouble anyway? They have a VAT tax, right?

xblade on May 6, 2010 at 7:33 PM

Looks to me like the market wanted to adjust down about 300 points and then the vampire squids high speed trading program took the electronic side of trading right off of the rails.

Kinda the reverse effect of what it does on a normal day when the market should go up 10 points but it turns into a 30 point swing.

Notice how the squids program backed off when it got close to the point of shutting down the market entirely.

Freddy on May 6, 2010 at 7:33 PM

Waiting for commodities to bottom out

V-rod on May 6, 2010 at 7:38 PM

“According to multiple sources, a trader entered a “b” for billion instead of an “m” for million in a trade possibly involving Procter & Gamble,…”

Was that before or after they’d spread the inside word (to who?) to bet on a short term market drop?

Nothing to worry about here, just move along..

drfredc on May 6, 2010 at 7:48 PM

I’m calling bullsh!t. First, this “error” was supposed to be a guy hitting B for billion instead of M for million. Okay, maybe. A professional trader would never sell “at market” for either of those volumes… there would have been parameters.

Factor two: The Treasury MUST SELL $3.7 TRILLION treasuries this year… $2T of treasuries coming due and $1.7T of treasuries to cover the shortfall (deficit). THERE IS NO MARKET FOR THAT AMOUNT! (read the last statement again) The ONLY way their could be a market is to chase money out of “other investments” for the security of treasuries. Hmmmm…. what might those other investments be?

I suspect the market has been destabilized enough to sell some more treasuries. They’ll need to chase it way down to flush out enough money to cover it all….

CC

CapedConservative on May 6, 2010 at 10:14 PM

The markets are all about psychology of crowds.

Daveyardbird on May 6, 2010 at 3:33 PM

Being a poor bystander, it’s really maddening how stupid & emotional people get over world events that have nothing to do with their investments, causing my industry to be affected just by the domino effect.
I don’t know enough about the commodities market to understand how this may have affected them, but I am quite sure that somehow cattle prices will be affected.
They’ve been really high for the last few months & I feel pessimistic enough here to say that when it comes time to sell some open cows & old bulls that we’ll hit it at just the right time when prices are low.
Life really sucks these days.

Badger40 on May 7, 2010 at 8:26 AM

We need a new government regulation to keep that from happening again.

BadgerHawk on May 7, 2010 at 8:50 AM

Update: Trading error? Update: Confirmed

Bull crap! Show me the “confirmed” evidence……

melachiro on May 7, 2010 at 9:49 AM

That commie banner on the Acropolis cracks me up:

PEOPLES OF EUROPE RISE UP

Rise up and do what exactly? They already rose up and got their cradle to grave welfare state, and now they are going bankrupt. Rise up and demand that more people give them money because they spent all of their own, I guess.

bitsy on May 7, 2010 at 9:54 AM

There is no one left to rob.

Inanemergencydial on May 7, 2010 at 10:56 AM

According to multiple sources, a trader entered a “b” for billion instead of an “m” for million in a trade possibly involving Procter & Gamble, a component in the Dow. (CNBC’s Jim Cramer noted suspicious price movement in P&G stock on air during the height of the market selloff.

There’s no ‘M’ in the Americans’ numbering system. There’s also no ‘B’ in the Americans’ numbering system or the Romans’, either, for that matter.

Kralizec on May 7, 2010 at 2:35 PM

B to the M to the…. it was a head fake, a silly little Just Kidding event? Let’s see where our 401ks are in a month, then we’ll know.

leftnomore on May 8, 2010 at 2:51 AM

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