Dems use deficit commission to push for amnesty

posted at 10:55 am on May 5, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

I’ve repeatedly predicted that the National Commission on Financial Responsibility and Reform (NCFRR) would serve mainly as a Trojan horse for massive, broad tax hikes.  Who knew that the so-called “deficit commission” would also become a stalking horse for … immigration reformThe Hill reports on the latest Democratic mission statement from the NCFRR:

Democrats want immigration reform on the table as the White House fiscal commission examines ways to reduce deficits, saying there is a “credible connection” between the issue and the country’s fiscal situation.

Service Employees International Union (SEIU) President Andy Stern and Rep. Xavier Becerra (Calif.), both Democrats on the bipartisan fiscal commission, said reforms giving the 12 million illegal immigrants in the United States a chance to stay in the U.S. legally could boost the economy and thereby help pay down the debt.

Uh, sure.  Why not add amnesty to a debate over tax hikes and spending cuts?  May as well toss religion and sports into the mix as well.  Republicans responded with well-tempered disbelief:

Republicans expressed skepticism over adding immigration to the commission’s already substantial portfolio. The panel already is tasked with looking at tax, spending and entitlement policies to find a way to reduce deficits.

“The fiscal commission is supposed to focus on fiscal policy, which in my opinion is entitlement spending” but also involves discretionary spending and tax revenues, said Sen. Judd Gregg (N.H.), one of the panel’s six congressional Republican members.

Let’s parse this out a little.  The immigration problem has existed for decades, during which time we have had deficits and surpluses.  We now face annual budget deficits of over a trillion dollars this year and into the foreseeable future.  Those came as Democrats increased federal spending by over a trillion dollars a year in a three-year span of controlling Congress.  Under those circumstances, which correlates better to the deficit — illegal immigrants or Democratic spending?

Besides, doesn’t blaming deficits on illegal immigrants qualify as hatred?  Who knew the Democrats on the NCFRR were such bigots?  Someone call Contessa Brewer stat!  I kid, I kid, but that’s no more ridiculous than insisting on back-dooring amnesty under the rubric of deficit reduction.


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The Fair Tax would tax even illegal immigrants, unless they never purchased anything within the US.

And we wouldn’t have to give them citizenship/residency in the process..

DavidM on May 5, 2010 at 10:58 AM

I knew this was going to happen soon. These d’s will add amnesty to every bill before Nov. to see if it will pass.
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letget on May 5, 2010 at 10:59 AM

But then, what did anyone expect out of a National Commission on Financial Responsibility and Reform that includes Andy Stern, Dickless Dick Durbin, and Jan The Red Schakowski?

It’s a farce.

Jaibones on May 5, 2010 at 11:01 AM

I’m just waiting for them to attach amnesty to the next defense appropriations bill. It’s coming, just wait.

search4truth on May 5, 2010 at 11:02 AM

This thing is a farce…

ninjapirate on May 5, 2010 at 11:02 AM

Why even have a Congress? We just need a deficit commission. Obama will use any venue to get his agenda passed.

sammypants on May 5, 2010 at 11:03 AM

Soooo…if we let 100 million extra illegals become citizens, the economy will really take off. PLUS, we can run the deficit up to $50 trillion with no ill effects.

Let me jot that logic down real quick…*spend like crazy, don’t save money, pay everyone else’s bills*…ok got it.

Bishop on May 5, 2010 at 11:03 AM

INcredible connection”

FIFT.

Their lies would do Goebbels proud.

rbj on May 5, 2010 at 11:06 AM

reforms giving the 12 million illegal immigrants in the United States a chance to stay in the U.S. legally could boost the economy and thereby help pay down the debt.

It needs to be pointed out(because it’s easy to gloss over) that this isn’t necessarily “amnesty”… you can give these people here a chance to live here legally without giving them citizenship…

ninjapirate on May 5, 2010 at 11:06 AM

Besides, doesn’t blaming deficits on illegal immigrants qualify as hatred?

Nah. Hey, it worked for Obamacare. There was no way to solve our deficit problems unless we pass Obamacare, remember?

Daggett on May 5, 2010 at 11:06 AM

despite the polls – for the dem-left, giving amnesty to illegals is so much easier than cutting spending or building a fence.

sickening

reliapundit on May 5, 2010 at 11:07 AM

Service Employees International Union (SEIU) President Andy Stern and Rep. Xavier Becerra (Calif.), both Democrats on the bipartisan fiscal commission, said reforms giving the 12 million illegal immigrants in the United States a chance to stay in the U.S. legally could boost the economy and thereby help pay down the debt.

Wait! I thought the meme was that illegals were already paying taxes. How does legalizing millions of low-skilled workers do anything to lessen the burden of states who pay for their children’s education and their health care? How does this help the millions of American citizens who are unemployed and have to compete for jobs with these magical deficit killers?

The only debt this will help pay down is that of unions like the S.E.I.U., who hope to steer immigrants in their direction, sucking up dues money. Dittos for the coffers of the Democrat Party.

If they really want to capitalize on illegal immigrants to pay down the debt they should get rid of the income tax, and replace it with the Fair Tax.

Buy Danish on May 5, 2010 at 11:07 AM

Uh, wasn’t The Obammunist insisting that illegals wouldn’t be covered by ObamaCare? So if we legalize them, wouldn’t that, uh, let me be clear… wouldn’t that cost more money? I mean, you know, the status quo… the previous administration… well, there comes a point where I say, you know, you’ve spent enough money.

RachDubya on May 5, 2010 at 11:07 AM

Doesn’t including amnesty give the GOP cover to vote AGAINST the commission’s recommendations? I thought the whole point of this charade was for Obama to have both Dems and Republicans voting for tax increases to provide himself cover(which it won’t, BTW).

Doughboy on May 5, 2010 at 11:08 AM

Maybe it will reduce the deficit if unions get card check and Jews stop building in east Jerusalem.

Mark1971 on May 5, 2010 at 11:11 AM

Well what’s one more lie … When you are floating in a sea of lies.

tarpon on May 5, 2010 at 11:13 AM

The Fair Tax would tax even illegal immigrants, unless they never purchased anything within the US.

And we wouldn’t have to give them citizenship/residency in the process..

DavidM on May 5, 2010 at 10:58 AM

Nah. They would be the center of the black market that most citizens would use to evade taxes. It would pull even more in.

Count to 10 on May 5, 2010 at 11:13 AM

Insane. 12 million = 20 million at least, and that will turn into 50 in a heartbeat, then we will still have the same number of illegals (probably more) to take the place of the new citizens.

I’d be more in favor of arming them, training them and sending them back to Mexico to kill every drug lord, drug “soldier” and corrupt official, then march on Mexico City and take out the corrupt government and install a real republic.

I’d support funding for that. I’d re-enlist to train them.

Mexico is a huge country with plenty of natural resources, a strong tourist industry and vast, year-round agricultural lands. There is no reason it can’t be a productive member of the world. If they can’t get it right, it’s not our fault.

I’m not paying taxes to fund illegals, because his own corrupt leaders think they are living in the late 18th century.

reaganaut on May 5, 2010 at 11:14 AM

[W]hich correlates better to the deficit — illegal immigrants or Democratic spending?

Ed, an excellent point to savor. You have a way with words… and getting to the heart of the matter at hand.

ReagansRight on May 5, 2010 at 11:16 AM

And amnesty will also reduce our salt intake because more people will use hot sauce on their eggs.

RedRedRice on May 5, 2010 at 11:18 AM

Long term economic recovery is contingent upon Health Care Reform. And a VAT. And Immigration Reform. And keeping a boot at the throat of BP.

And preventing the disappointment of Contessa Brewer.

SlaveDog on May 5, 2010 at 11:20 AM

Just keep effing that chicken Dems.

What a winning argument—NOT!

Are they this out of touch? wait, never mind-dumb question

JusDreamin on May 5, 2010 at 11:21 AM

It might reduce budget deficits in the short run. And when they begin receiving social security, it bring about another crisis “that should never go to waste”.

elfman on May 5, 2010 at 11:22 AM

It’s The Economy Amnesty for Aunt Zeituni, Stupid!

Christien on May 5, 2010 at 11:24 AM

Service Employees International Union (SEIU) President Andy Stern and Rep. Xavier Becerra (Calif.), both Democrats on the bipartisan fiscal commission, said reforms giving the 12 million illegal immigrants in the United States a chance to stay in the U.S. legally could boost the economy and thereby help pay down the debt.

Uh ……. how?

Are we allowed to question these very wise men put in charge of sucking the life-blood out of our economy?

fogw on May 5, 2010 at 11:24 AM

If they want to say that more poverty-immigration/illegal immigration leads to a stronger economy, then I really need someone to define “strong economy” for me.

If you have a “laborers market” instead of an “employers market”, workers’ wages must rise, and that puts them into a bracket that actually pays taxes. Super-saturating the labor market creates lower wages, more unemployment, less Americans paying taxes, more Americans requiring government assistance. How does that equate to “stronger economy”?

We need less manual laborers who are better off, not more manual laborers who are worse off. You can’t make a rational argument for more unskilled laborers who are in direct competition with billions of people making a dollar a day across the world and competition with the millions in the US who are already making several times the global rate for the same labor. They want to create a workers crisis, strikes, government controls, global communism. The math can only lead to that.

Buddahpundit on May 5, 2010 at 11:25 AM

The whole commission is a crock of shet anyway since it requires 14 of the 18 members to agree on something in order for it to be sent to congress for approval.

Why isn’t this mentioned more often?

Abby Adams on May 5, 2010 at 11:25 AM

sammypants on May 5, 2010 at 11:03 AM

Good idea; Look at how much money would be saved on wages for these incompetents.
But, you know the Obama Regime would grow exponentially, thereby cancelling any benefit and making things worse.

Cybergeezer on May 5, 2010 at 11:26 AM

Well, seriously, if this deficit commission wants to reduce the federal deficit they’ll start advocating time off from work to make babies ‘cuz what we need are more taxpayers.

Skandia Recluse on May 5, 2010 at 11:26 AM

“SlaveDog on May 5, 2010 at 11:20 AM”

Don’t forget Cap ‘n’ Trade!

notropis on May 5, 2010 at 11:28 AM

Well if spending money is the way to prevent bankruptcy, then I can see the connection.

John Deaux on May 5, 2010 at 11:28 AM

The Obama Regime wants to implement full scale Communism;
Where do you think ‘community organizer’ gets its roots?

Cybergeezer on May 5, 2010 at 11:28 AM

I’ve got a great idea for taxing illegals (and illegal activity). It’s called the FairTax. Great way of forcing them to pay taxes if they’re in the country without rewarding their illegal behavior first.

Red Cloud on May 5, 2010 at 11:28 AM

The whole deficit commission is bogus to start with as we already have a 535 member deficit commission with members being paid $175k a year to do this as their primary job. This administration and congress are just one abdication of responsibility after another while simultaneously shoving fascist economic policies down the throats of American citizens.

deepdiver on May 5, 2010 at 11:29 AM

John Deaux on May 5, 2010 at 11:28 AM

So; Tell us your idea of ‘bankruptcy’?

Cybergeezer on May 5, 2010 at 11:30 AM

Are we allowed to question these very wise men put in charge of sucking the life-blood out of our economy?

fogw on May 5, 2010 at 11:24 AM

The little people aren’t really capable of understanding the complexities of economy. Only the educated class understands the true nature of our problems and the solutions for them.

SlaveDog on May 5, 2010 at 11:31 AM

*shaking the head*

the slippery slope of destruction for the US

cmsinaz on May 5, 2010 at 11:32 AM

I agree. By adding entitlements for illegal aliens to the list of cuts, we may be able to cut the deficit substancially.
BTW, please stop using the term : “illegal immigrant” it is an oxymoron. Immigrants are people who legally move to a country. There is no such things as an “illegal immigrant”.
These illegal aliens are not immigrants at all, they are invaders.

paulsur on May 5, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Soooo…if we let 100 million extra illegals become citizens, the economy will really take off. PLUS, we can run the deficit up to $50 trillion with no ill effects.

Let me jot that logic down real quick…*spend like crazy, don’t save money, pay everyone else’s bills*…ok got it.

Bishop on May 5, 2010 at 11:03 AM

Exactly! The logic is the illegals aren’t in a pay scale that would put them in as income tax payers. Like the Puerto Rican Democracy bill, most illegals make less than 12,000 a year which puts them in a income tax credit position i.e. they WON’T PAY ANY INCOME TAX THAT WILL BE ADDED TO BUDGET AND WILL INCREASE THE 47% THAT DON’T PAY INCOME TAX NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

xler8bmw on May 5, 2010 at 11:39 AM

The Obama Regime wants to implement full scale Communism;
Where do you think ‘community organizer’ gets its roots?
Cybergeezer on May 5, 2010 at 11:28 AM

Just remember that the definition of Socialism is the CHANGE between Capitalism and Communism where the government gradually takes over more and more of the economy.

Or as Lenin termed it:

The goal of socialism is communism.

The communist organizer is at the head of a party that is national & Socialist.

Don’t ever forget that.

Chip on May 5, 2010 at 11:40 AM

It would be helpful if the other half of the nation that pays no tax, pay some amount of tax; if for no other reason than to return part of the tax dollars they are now consuming.

midlander on May 5, 2010 at 11:41 AM

Didn’t the Democrats recently de-fund the promised border fence?

I bet they thought no one noticed.

tarpon on May 5, 2010 at 11:41 AM

I agree. By adding entitlements for illegal aliens to the list of cuts, we may be able to cut the deficit substantially.
BTW, please stop using the term : “illegal immigrant” it is an oxymoron. Immigrants are people who legally move to a country. There is no such things as an “illegal immigrant”.
These illegal aliens are not immigrants at all, they are invaders.
paulsur on May 5, 2010 at 11:36 AM

You’ve got that right – When you have a large mass of people illegally coming into a sovereign country it is rightfully termed an Invasion.

It is an illegal invasion by illegal invaders.

The sooner we recognize this threat to our sovereignty, the sooner we can address it.

Chip on May 5, 2010 at 11:45 AM

Umm, you can forget about getting more taxes out of amnestied illegals. The whole point of hiring an illegal is to dodge minimum wage laws, OSHA requirements, overtime regulations, and having to provide benefits like health insurance.

If you bring people over the table, employers would find ways to get rid of them and find more folks they can employ under the table. That’s what happened to the folks amnestied back in the ’80s.

Sekhmet on May 5, 2010 at 11:47 AM

the 12 million illegal immigrants in the United States a chance to stay in the U.S. legally could boost the economy

Yeah, except for the little fact that THEY SEND OVER $9 BILLION BACK TO MEXICO EACH YEAR! Yep, that’s sure help OUR economy.

GarandFan on May 5, 2010 at 11:48 AM

It would be helpful if the other half of the nation that pays no tax, pay some amount of tax; if for no other reason than to return part of the tax dollars they are now consuming.

midlander on May 5, 2010 at 11:41 AM

That would be pretty patriotic.

loudmouth883 on May 5, 2010 at 11:55 AM

The political class truly believes that if we give amnesty to illegals, somehow it will cover the cost of baby boomer retirements and healthcare. Too bad they don’t look into the details, which would show those very illegals would be a net cost, not a net gain to the treasury.

Vashta.Nerada on May 5, 2010 at 12:17 PM

Great, let us all stop paying taxes.

Sir Napsalot on May 5, 2010 at 12:17 PM

I suppose Card Check and Cap & Tax will be added soon, because they allegedly would reduce the deficit in the Dems’ smoke-and-mirrors style of accounting.

Wethal on May 5, 2010 at 12:18 PM

This reminds me of Pelosi saying the Healthcare bill will create jobs. Good grief! God help us.

kitkat-n.c. on May 5, 2010 at 12:23 PM

Pure malice on Obama’s part. Pure malice.

jeanie on May 5, 2010 at 12:27 PM

We cannot expect to stop the Horizon oil leak without comprehensive immigration reform.

petefrt on May 5, 2010 at 12:29 PM

Well if spending money is the way to prevent bankruptcy, then I can see the connection.

John Deaux on May 5, 2010 at 11:28 AM

Exactly, because nothing increases government revenues quicker than adding untold millions of uneducated, unskilled, non-English-speaking new citizens to the U.S. entitlement rolls. It’s genius!

AZCoyote on May 5, 2010 at 12:31 PM

Can voters institute impeachment proceedings by petition? or does it have to come from Congress et al? Just askin’.

jeanie on May 5, 2010 at 12:31 PM

We all knew this commission was going to be a sham. This will make for great campaign ads just before Nov 2nd since the majority of voters can see that commission was set up as a “rubber stamp” for any piece of Obama’s agenda he wanted to stuff into it. If I were a true fiscal conservative member of this commission, I would walk out now!

Bob in VA on May 5, 2010 at 12:32 PM

Any documented worker proposal should include a mandatory tax regardless of income for the applicant. Perhaps that would equalize things a bit.

Wyznowski on May 5, 2010 at 12:40 PM

loudmouth883 on May 5, 2010 at 11:55 AM

It’s called carrying your own load.

midlander on May 5, 2010 at 12:41 PM

The worst thing that the Great Depression, followed by war with Japan and Germany, did to America, was turn Washington DC from a campus town into a growing corporate town. The corporation is big government, their job is to skim profits from everything that moves, and their company projections are for growth, always more growth.

RBMN on May 5, 2010 at 12:46 PM

Every effort by these people must be stopped because their sole agenda is the Marxist/socialist domination of this once great Republic and its people.

rplat on May 5, 2010 at 1:10 PM

The Billy Boy Clinton (Randy for short) arguments make sense to me as a mother. I remember that every time I rewarded my children for disobedience, they quickly fell in line with all the other rules I set down for them.

Billy Boy claims that illegals made legal would contribute tax revenues! But employers would have to pay more, therefore would hire less. Goods made paying union wages (instead of sub-standard illegal wages) would cost more!

Simple question: why should we believe that people who are currently breaking the law would become good, taxpaying, law abiding citizens after we overlook their current illegal acts?

katablog.com on May 5, 2010 at 1:16 PM

Andy Stern. ‘Nuf said.

KS Rex on May 5, 2010 at 2:02 PM

reforms giving the 12 million illegal immigrants in the United States a chance to stay in the U.S. legally could boost the economy and thereby help pay down the debt.

So could Ruby slippers and a crystal sceptre.

Sorry, you can’t pay down the debt while you’re still spending in defict.

If this is the math they’re using at the Defict Commission, we are truly and squarely doomed.

BobMbx on May 5, 2010 at 2:05 PM

But if they don’t give amnesty to illegals, where will they get the increased worker to pay for their “Pro-growth tax hikes”?

Oh sure, some people think illegals will cost more than they provide in services; but once the tax hikes stimulate growth in the economy and we have more jobs; then we’ll need them.

And once I finish my machine to turn the motive force of flying pigs into electrical energy; we can quit buying oil and run everything on flying-pig based perpetual motion.

gekkobear on May 5, 2010 at 2:40 PM

This reminds me of Pelosi saying the Healthcare bill will create jobs. Good grief! God help us.

kitkat-n.c. on May 5, 2010 at 12:23 PM

Only two things in life are guaranteed. Death and taxes. When you ration/deny health care what happens to the sick? They die.. Not to be morbid, but I would expect caring for the terminally ill, such as hospice, and industry caring for the newly deceased, such as mortuaries, would experience an increase in jobs. JMHO However, I doubt that is what Pelosi had in mind when she made her statement.

GrannySunni on May 5, 2010 at 3:10 PM

I thought illegals held jobs that paid such low wages that Americans wouldn’t take those jobs. Besides, low wages = low taxes, if any. How will amnesty help the deficit? I don’t understand their math. Wouldn’t we then have to subsidize Obamacare for 20 million illegals? We’d just be moving the problem from one place to another, but never solving it.

GrannySunni on May 5, 2010 at 3:19 PM

I thought illegals held jobs that paid such low wages that Americans wouldn’t take those jobs. Besides, low wages = low taxes, if any. How will amnesty help the deficit? I don’t understand their math. Wouldn’t we then have to subsidize Obamacare for 20 million illegals? We’d just be moving the problem from one place to another, but never solving it.

GrannySunni on May 5, 2010 at 3:19 PM

It is worse than that. The majority of the illegals, if amnestied, would be eligible for the earned income tax credit.

Vashta.Nerada on May 5, 2010 at 3:23 PM