Video: The sadly obligatory “cop tasers fan on field at Phillies game” clip

posted at 6:04 pm on May 4, 2010 by Allahpundit

How is this not excessive force? The kid obviously wasn’t going to get away and there’s no reason to think he couldn’t be restrained using normal means. Oh well:

The chase ended with the 17-year-old — identified as Boyertown High School senior Steve Consalvi by The Philadelphia Inquirer — being Tasered by the police officer, an action that has drawn significant media attention today…

Lt. Frank Vanore, a Philadelphia police spokesman, said this morning that Commissioner Charles Ramsey reviewed the tape of the incident and believes the officer — who has not been identified — acted within the department’s guidelines, which allow officers to use Tasers to arrest fleeing suspects

But the effects of the Taser apparently didn’t last for long, said Bowers, who saw Consalvi escorted right past him by members of security.

“Once he got to his feet, they brought him right down the corridor,” Bowers said. “He was smiling and laughing. I guess it was his minute of glory.”

By “fleeing suspects,” I assume the PD means suspects who’d otherwise escape custody if not for the use of the taser. Which, er, clearly isn’t the case here. No matter: Not only aren’t the kids parents demanding action against the cop, they’ve apologized profusely to the Phillies for the incident. Exit question: Second look at tasers?

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So if a person jaywalks, they should worry about being tasered? If they’re going two miles over the speed limit, they should worry about being tasered? If their registration is expired, they should worry about being tasered?

And a cop could sprain an ankle walking normally. Should every suspect be tasered pre-emptively just to avoid any possible flight? The reasoning for tasering this kid is obscenely broad, and could be applied across the board to any crime.

MadisonConservative on May 4, 2010 at 8:46 PM

MadCon, come on…you’re much smarter than this.

To even suggest that, hey…the cop could twist his ankle anywhere…But ya know what? If it can be prevented, it should be.

And this doosh isn’t simply jaywalking, or driving a little too fast…he’s evading police! Would it be wrong for a cop to taze someone their chasing if, say, they were cordoned off in a hotel? There’s cops at every exit, so should they just chase the perp down? Waste time just chasing him?

Of course not. Shooting the dude would be excessive force. Tasing him? Not so much. He was evading cops. Getting tased goes with that territory.

JetBoy on May 4, 2010 at 8:52 PM

Additionally, I notice you’re now specifying the butt or lower back. What if they had zapped this kid in the chest? Why do you think Taser said not to do that?

MadisonConservative on May 4, 2010 at 8:43 PM

“What if they had zapped this kid in the chest?”

Well — he didn’t, so the point is moot.

What if I threw my log hatchet at my next door neighbor, instead of chopping wood with it?

I didn’t, so it doesn’t mean anything. Just like your question.

By the way, the cop is trained in proper taser use or he couldn’t carry a taser.

So why are you worried about it?

You said previously, “LEOs are trained in proper takedowns.”

Any takedown carries a harm risk, no matter how remote. The thing is, the guy had to know he was about to be dealt with physically in such a manner as to end his joy jaunt, one way or another.

So — does being “trained in proper takedowns” settle your worries, or doesn’t it?

Edouard on May 4, 2010 at 8:53 PM

So if Tasers are so lethal, and I think it’s wrong to demand cops tackle someone to risk not only injuring themselves but others, let’s go back to the old days and just use bullets. They are HIGHLY EFFECTIVE at stopping people.

The more tools the police have, the better. The more we remove their tools, the less we can complain about when the only resort they have is shooting these worthless cretins.

Silentbrick on May 4, 2010 at 8:55 PM

Madison Conservative: Dude, you sure have your panties in a wad over this. Yeah, SHOCK the punk. Get him OFF THE FIELD ASAP. I don’t pay major league ticket prices to watch morons like this guy. Tasers are safer than tackling the guy, putting a ‘hold’ on him and then getting him into cuffs, both for him and the COP. Since you have never had to do it, you view the incident with the detached reflection of someone who is and always has been one of the protected. Not one of the protectors. The way you act, you’d think he was getting the electric chair. LOL Get a grip on reality MC. The Marines are hiring and so are many police departments. Put on the uniform, dude. Then tell me how your heart bleeds for the teenage punk in this video.

JimP on May 4, 2010 at 8:59 PM

JimP on May 4, 2010 at 8:59 PM

I love the “if you’re not a cop, shut up” argument. It never gets oldvalid.

MadisonConservative on May 4, 2010 at 9:01 PM

I thought it was money. One of these idiots is going to be hurt bad one day pulling a stunt like this and hopefully, this will deter future morons from trying this crap! It gets old and it seeing the idiots trying these stunts for camera time. He sure is famous now. Hope his parents are proud.

jdsmith0021 on May 4, 2010 at 9:03 PM

JetBoy on May 4, 2010 at 8:52 PM

He’s a teenager running around on a sports field being a jackass. He’s threatening NO ONE. You compared it to driving too fast…driving too fast actually threatens others. Come on, Jet…you’re much smarter than this.

MadisonConservative on May 4, 2010 at 9:03 PM

By the way, the cop is trained in proper taser use or he couldn’t carry a taser.

So why are you worried about it?

Edouard on May 4, 2010 at 8:53 PM

Because apparently, you shouldn’t use it on the chest, the most prominent area on the body. Why would Taser advise such a thing if their weapon is safe? Why is it dangerous to use on the chest, but not the back?

MadisonConservative on May 4, 2010 at 9:05 PM

Act like an animal, get put down.

GTR640 on May 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM

Yeah. A kid is holding up a game. A GAME. Shock the little bastard for ruining our game.

MadisonConservative on May 4, 2010 at 8:47 PM

The kid ran out on the field, well aware of what he was doing…

The only bad part of that whole thing is that it looks like he managed to get his hands out to cushion the fall instead of skidding across the ground on his front teeth.

BigWyo on May 4, 2010 at 9:16 PM

The only bad part of that whole thing is that it looks like he managed to get his hands out to cushion the fall instead of skidding across the ground on his front teeth.

BigWyo on May 4, 2010 at 9:16 PM

……………….just wow.

MadisonConservative on May 4, 2010 at 9:18 PM

Madison Conservative: Touchy aren’t you? You are waaaay over reacting to the whole incident MC. Is that YOU in the video? Maybe you were ‘traumatized’ by the police when YOU were a teenage punk. So now you are having an attack of the vapors over this. Flashing back to when you were cuffed and stuffed for being a punk. Tasers are still safer than tackling etc. The punk didn’t get shot in the chest (Oh MY!)and I know the ambulance chasing attorneys are working on the ‘deadly chest shot issue’. Until an even safer system is invented all you have to do is behave and the police will not taze you, bro. Can you do that? Is that beyond your self control? Or, you can put on the uniform Mr. Bleeding Heart. What’s that you said? You don’t have the b@ll$?

JimP on May 4, 2010 at 9:25 PM

MadisonConservative on May 4, 2010 at 9:18 PM

Yeah, just Wow…Notice how his parents are embarrassed all to hell about it. Maybe they beat his ass when they got home but I kind of doubt it since the imbecile did it in the first place.

BigWyo on May 4, 2010 at 9:26 PM

… skidding across the ground on his front teeth.
- BigWyo

“Do I have anything in my teeth?”

Tony737 on May 4, 2010 at 9:28 PM

Key question:

Did the perp soil his pants?

Inanemergencydial on May 4, 2010 at 9:28 PM

Do you have a source for this claim?

MadisonConservative on May 4, 2010 at 8:49 PM

Nope. I just come into taser threads to toss hand grenades.

TexasDan on May 4, 2010 at 9:30 PM

Or, you can put on the uniform Mr. Bleeding Heart. What’s that you said? You don’t have the b@ll$?

JimP on May 4, 2010 at 9:25 PM

“You’re not a cop, so shut up. Also, I’m tough. I’m Tony Montana. Balls.”

MadisonConservative on May 4, 2010 at 9:33 PM

Inanemergencydial on May 4, 2010 at 9:28 PM

I’m pretty sure tasers cause the sphincter to contract haha

ac1 on May 4, 2010 at 9:39 PM

Since Madison Conservative can’t tell the difference between being hit in the heart vs hit in the butt, there’s not really anything more to say to Madison Conservative.

Let’s review:

A) An actual crime is committed;
B) The idiot perpetrator persists, and in the process acts unpredictably, so his intentions cannot be determined with full certainty;
C) The idiot perpetrator pointedly evades capture;
D) At least one player visibly moves away from the unpredictable perpetrator, therefore some level of threat to safety is indeed perceived by at least one relevant onlooker;
E) Taser is logically and defensibly used on the idiot’s fleshy bee-hind for easy, efficient takedown, after which perpetrator gets to his feet and within seconds walks away under his own power very calmly;
F) Silly-looking but serious-in-actuality episode ends quickly — as it should — rather than allowing the crime to drag out, but with a useful deterrent message to future similar would-be idiots.

The end.

Edouard on May 4, 2010 at 9:43 PM

Philadelphia: Get to know us!
Just another day in the nation’s most dysfunctional city.

james23 on May 4, 2010 at 9:44 PM

Since Madison Conservative can’t tell the difference between being hit in the heart vs hit in the butt, there’s not really anything more to say to Madison Conservative.

Edouard on May 4, 2010 at 9:43 PM

Wait…go back. I thought you said there was no risk when using Tasers. Now you say the heart is at risk? Huh? What about the rest of the chest that Taser says not to use a Taser gun on? So hard to follow.

MadisonConservative on May 4, 2010 at 9:47 PM

Monica Seles.


Taser fans on the field.

Spirit of 1776 on May 4, 2010 at 9:50 PM

Because apparently, you shouldn’t use it on the chest, the most prominent area on the body. Why would Taser advise such a thing if their weapon is safe? Why is it dangerous to use on the chest, but not the back?

MadisonConservative on May 4, 2010 at 9:05 PM

You shouldn’t use the baton for a strike across the eyebrows. Why would baton manufacturers advise against such a thing if their weapon is safe? Why is it dangerous to the forehead but not the back?

Do you want to take away their batons MC? Handcuffs have warnings too, should we take those away? You shouldn’t PepperSpray asthmatics.

Do you have a reasonable argument MC, or just stupid questions?

Jason Coleman on May 4, 2010 at 9:54 PM

Do you want to take away their batons MC?

Jason Coleman on May 4, 2010 at 9:54 PM

Should they use them on a 17 year old kid running around on a sports field being a goofball threatening no one?

MadisonConservative on May 4, 2010 at 9:56 PM

Hmmm, I WORK for Boyertown HS!!! I’ll have to check this out and get back to you guys in the AM!

Markvike on May 4, 2010 at 10:05 PM

If your worried about getting tazed, don’t run onto the field. It’s really not that hard to figure out. Act like a dumbass, get treated like one.

Big Orange on May 4, 2010 at 10:06 PM

Wait…go back. I thought you said there was no risk when using Tasers. Now you say the heart is at risk? Huh? What about the rest of the chest that Taser says not to use a Taser gun on? So hard to follow.

MadisonConservative on May 4, 2010 at 9:47 PM

Dude, you are so done. You are out of relevant arguments.
Don’t pull your dissimulation, your equivocation, or your sophistry on me. Of course there is no tool on earth, from car keys to ice scrapers, that cannot be violently misused — no one is saying otherwise, Mr Sophist. However, no one was shot in the chest or even close to it in this case, so one wonders why you are so fixated on this entirely irrelevant point.

Edouard on May 4, 2010 at 10:08 PM

F) Silly-looking but serious-in-actuality episode ends quickly — as it should — rather than allowing the crime to drag out, but with a useful deterrent message to future similar would-be idiots.

The end.

Edouard on May 4, 2010 at 9:43 PM

I agree with yer entire post except this….He’s gonna be the hero in his PunkA$$ed Dork Boy Club for at least a week.

I put up a link up to that KC first base coach getting his ass beat by the father/son team in Chicago earlier. My wife is from Chicago, is not into baseball…she just heard the sound of the video and knew right what it was……and an old man got his ass kicked by 2 fans running out onto the field…

But the two hillbilles got their asses kicked by the entire team…

BigWyo on May 4, 2010 at 10:09 PM

Actually, yes, if they got close enough, a trained officer could effectively use a baton to effect the arrest.

I certainly wouldn’t have had a problem with the officer throwing his baton at the kids feet, or a more orthodox hook and pin.

Of course all of this has nothing to do with your stupid questions, does it. Do you have any more?

Was the tazer a stupid move? Probably. Were your “questions” stupid? Certainly.

Jason Coleman on May 4, 2010 at 10:11 PM

Should they use them on a 17 year old kid running around on a sports field being a goofball threatening no one?

MadisonConservative on May 4, 2010 at 9:56 PM

Why not???…bet there wouldn’t be too many more doing it in the foreseeable future…

BigWyo on May 4, 2010 at 10:12 PM

BigWyo on May 4, 2010 at 10:09 PM

Just to be clear, I’m not saying the deterrent effect is for the idiot’s friends, as one can reasonably surmise that they are equivalent in their idiocy level.

Other people in other places, though, do need to know that being tased is a possibility, and that possibility may curtail similar jump-on-the-field escapades, since as we know some people are only semi-idiots who will be just barely wise enough to decide that they do not like to feel unhappy for even the length of a taser shot’s 5 or 6 very unpleasant seconds.

Edouard on May 4, 2010 at 10:20 PM

test

diogenes on May 4, 2010 at 10:27 PM

Good shot!

MCGIRV on May 4, 2010 at 10:32 PM

With this standard, what should the police/security do when the pitcher-batter go at it or both benches empty and there is a brawl?

diogenes on May 4, 2010 at 10:34 PM

Screw the idiot kid. I thought it was a work of art watching him face dive into the grass. He obviously had no desire to get off the field without a little help and he wasn’t gonna give up any time soon.
The fans paid good money to see a ballgame. Not some idiot kid run around in the outfield.

OxyCon on May 4, 2010 at 10:36 PM

Absolutely shouldn’t have tasered the fool. Should’ve let loose a police dog or two instead. Hey, that’s hallowed baseball ground out there, people. Simpletons have no business desecrating a major league field like that. Next thing you know, some dimmy president will get the idea he can just waltz out there in his wife’s jeans and start throwing a baseball! NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

n0doz on May 4, 2010 at 10:37 PM

With this standard, what should the police/security do when the pitcher-batter go at it or both benches empty and there is a brawl?

diogenes on May 4, 2010 at 10:34 PM

Napalm?

Fighton03 on May 4, 2010 at 10:41 PM

Dude, you are so done. You are out of relevant arguments.

Edouard on May 4, 2010 at 10:08 PM

Yeah, when people make false statements that I then disprove, they tend to say things like that. Oh, and comparing me to a truther for doing so was a very relevant argument. Congratulations. You win the internet. Please throw some more words at me that you consider long to show how much you won.

MadisonConservative on May 4, 2010 at 10:42 PM

Of course all of this has nothing to do with your stupid questions, does it. Do you have any more?

Was the tazer a stupid move? Probably. Were your “questions” stupid? Certainly.

Jason Coleman on May 4, 2010 at 10:11 PM

Hey, glad you could come into the thread just to say that wondering why Taser said not to use their weapon on someone’s chest, and thereby arguing that use of something that dangerous on a teenager running around harmlessly during a sports game is excessive, is just “stupid questions”. Thanks for the spirited debate.

MadisonConservative on May 4, 2010 at 10:44 PM

For all those commenters saying this is a harmless prank and it’s just interrupting a game – remember what happened a few years ago at Comiskey Park in Chicago? Guys ran onto the field and assaulted coaches from the other team. This happened not once, but twice in the last 10 years. I have no sympathy for this kid.

mdenis39 on May 4, 2010 at 10:51 PM

Should they have tazed Don Zimmer?

http://weblogs.wpix.com/sports/thehuddle/image/ZIMMER-MARTINEZ-BLOG.jpg

diogenes on May 4, 2010 at 10:58 PM

Tazoring is potentially lethal force. It’s inexcusable to use it on a 17 year-old kid who’s not actively threatening anyone.

The cops should be censured. And the parents should re-think their priorities.

Murf76 on May 4, 2010 at 11:10 PM

The thing is that when someone gets on a field like that you don’t know who they are or what they are capable of or how old they are or if they are on drugs or whatever.

Those players on the field and in the dugouts are worth millions of dollars.

You don’t take the chance that maybe you have a crotch bomber or just a 17-yo high school kid, they just don’t know at that point.

So if he is commanded to stop by the police and doesn’t, I have no problem with tasering his stupid a$$.

Hindsight is 20/20. At the time the police could have no idea who they were dealing with.

crosspatch on May 4, 2010 at 11:20 PM

AP wants us to think excessive force. If this loon (and he may have been a sick one) had a knife and manage to stab a player, perhaps to death, what would you cop haters, retrainers be saying? Oh, my, why didn’t they intercede sooner to prevent such a tragedy?!! Turds all.

wepeople on May 4, 2010 at 11:21 PM

I’d be fine if they had caught him first and then hit him with the Tazer. Act like an ass-hole, get treated like an ass-hole. First rule of life.

Jaibones on May 4, 2010 at 11:39 PM

Sorry… but I just can’t agree that potentially lethal force was necessary in this case. It’d be different if this kid had been brandishing some sort of weapon, but we can’t be such pantywaists that we go around tazing stupid kids.

Think about it… if stupidity was grounds for killing teenagers, it’s not likely that one in ten of us would have survived to adulthood. :D

Believe me, I understand… I’m raising teens right now. The temptation to taze is awful. lolol

Murf76 on May 5, 2010 at 12:57 AM

I have mixed feelings about this.

If this youth had been acting in a threatening way, as in at :04 and :07 seconds he had assaulted the security guards, then I say the use of the less than lethal weapon is appropriate. Or if the police officer had drawn the taser after the :06 second mark. The problem I have is the police officer had the weapon drawn from the beginning of the video.

Non-violent people running onto sports fields have effectively been dealt with around the world without the use of a taser for years. Quite effectively I might add. I do not view the benefits of using a taser as greater than the potential complications that might arise if the person has a heart condition. Imagine for a moment paramedics and police doing CPR on the idiot in the middle of the field and on live TV. A PR nightmare for everyone involved. The Police and the Phillies alike. With untold millions in taxpayer dollars wasted in the process, and the further demonization of an effective tool (when used properly) of the police force.

Take the theoretical extra couple of seconds and tackle the idiot and ovoid unnecessary litigation and required-by-law ambulance call.

wuesteblitz on May 5, 2010 at 1:12 AM

Don’t run from the police.

tx2654 on May 5, 2010 at 1:28 AM

“If this youth had been acting in a threatening way, as in at :04 and :07 seconds he had assaulted the security guards, then I say the use of the less than lethal weapon is appropriate”

Someone who is “on a mission” is going to avoid the security guards if at all possible.

crosspatch on May 5, 2010 at 1:36 AM

I say second look at police officers in good physical condition who can make the grab without the taser as a crutch. Now of course I am referring to this incident. If the bad guy is a baddy, no holds barred. But this kid?
He behaved badly and might I say the officer in question did as well.

Sherman1864 on May 5, 2010 at 1:38 AM

Why taze him?

Why not just use tranquilizer darts?

He drops. He gets rolled onto a board, then slid onto a gurney, and rolled off the field, disabled and unable to cause any more trouble. He wakes up groggy and perhaps with a bit of a headache.

Less violent than a tazer, and perhaps safer.

Another option? Sic the German Shepherd, Ratweiler, or Doberman on him, or even sic a half dozen on him. They’d get him before he runs a few yards.

Another option?

Keep a few riders on hand with quarter horses. They’ll close the gap on him and rope him in quickly. Those out-of-breath, slow on their feet cops couldn’t catch a 98 year old granny on a broken wheel chair.

William2006 on May 5, 2010 at 4:42 AM

AP wants us to think excessive force. If this loon (and he may have been a sick one) had a knife and manage to stab a player, perhaps to death, what would you cop haters, retrainers be saying? Oh, my, why didn’t they intercede sooner to prevent such a tragedy?!! Turds all.

wepeople on May 4, 2010 at 11:21 PM

He did not have a knife and he did not stab a player.

Furthermore, the player, and his teammates have baseball bats and baseballs.

Many of them, not just the pitchers, can throw a ball at high velocity, and accurately, and would drop the nut on the spot. A team full of professional players with strong, accurate throwing arms hitting a nut at the same time would definitely stop him in his tracks. If he did get within bat range, those guys would break his bones and take his head off better than the mob’s soldiers.

The next time the cops should just employ a sharpshooter with a long range, high powered sniper rifle and end it more quickly.

Heck, of they think tazing/tasing is so great and that the guy deseved it, what’s wrong with a little sniper practice at a Major League Baseball game?

William2006 on May 5, 2010 at 4:48 AM

Excessive force? Let’s see, what does more damage? A quick burst of non-lethal electricity that causes momentary muscular contractions or several large cops tackling you? Physicaly taking down a person can cause injury or death to that person. Tasing him will not. Someone asked about hitting the kid in the chest…doesn’t matter. Tasers lack the amps to harm the heart. About the only way to actually cause lasting harm with a Taser is if you hit someone in the eyeball with the probes. Or they’re coated in a flameable liquid. All deaths associated with an ESD were cases of excited delireum and not because of the ESD.

Second, you should only judge an incident with the facts AT HAND. Fact: a person committed an irrational and illegal activity…running out into the field. FACT: He avoided the officers who came to escort him off the field. His reasons for being there? Only he knew. Now, had he stabbed a player with a knife, or pulled a small handgun out of his pocket and shot someone, ya’ll cop haters would be here demanding to know why they didn’t tase him. Can’t win for losing.

Hindsight is 20/20. Instead of judging the cops on what you know NOW, while sitting on your well larded backsides in the warmth and safety of your own homes and with plenty of time to think about what is going on, try judging them on what THEY knew AT THE MOMENT OF THE INCIDENT.

And by the way, if you’ve never forcibly taken down a combative suspect, do NOT try to explain how easy it is. You’re like a monkey explaining brain surgery to a baboon. You have no knowledge, no comprehension, of the mechanics involved. If your only knowledge of law enforcement or CQB comes from watching Lethal Weapon and Rambo movies then you are not qualified to have an opinion other then oook oook eek oook.

wolfva on May 5, 2010 at 6:21 AM

Do we have a human right not to experience pain? I don’t think so.

Osis on May 5, 2010 at 6:45 AM

Physicaly taking down a person can cause injury or death to that person. Tasing him will not.

wolfva on May 5, 2010 at 6:21 AM

Not true. Tasing can, and does, result in death in some incidents. It can be from misuse of the weapon, as in this case:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/06/27/eveningnews/main5119168.shtml
Or it can be from changes to the heart rate:
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/health&id=6620623

Bottom line, it’s a “less lethal” weapon, certainly. But it is NOT without its dangers and should not be used in a casual manner. In that first link above, cops tased a 23 year-old to death right in front of his mother, and rather than rendering medical assistance… they searched his car.
They had stopped him for speeding.

Murf76 on May 5, 2010 at 8:06 AM

“Mad Dog” Mike Curtis figured out the best way to handle this way back in 1971.

Knocking this punk down with a taser is mild by comparison.

pain train on May 5, 2010 at 8:54 AM

He called his Dad before doing it to see if he thought it was ok. Dad told him NO but he did it anyways.

I have no sympathy for the kid.

mechkiller_k on May 5, 2010 at 8:56 AM

Racists all. How did the cops know the kid wasn’t a terrorist? Just because the kid is Caucasian? All the lefties should re-think their own prejudices.

Strike Twice on May 5, 2010 at 9:56 AM

Wow. Dumbest thing I’ve ever seen. It usually takes ‘em about 3 minutes to run down and be escorted off the field. Instead, this A-hole Tazers him in the back

What the hell was with the lazy cop??? Was the doughnut shop closing early? Have to run to some union function?

I’m all for using force on real criminals but this is patently absurd.

That ain’t my America.

Tim_CA on May 5, 2010 at 11:00 AM

I thought tasers were to be a non-deadly tool that replaced pistols. So why would you use a taser if you would use a pistol.

But now I see that it is so a fat ass out of shape cop can subdue a fleet footed 17 year old.

TheSitRep on May 5, 2010 at 11:13 AM

Tase me out to the ball game . . .

PJ Emeritus on May 5, 2010 at 11:47 AM

Since tackling the kid would have been more likely to injure the kid or security officials, I don’t mind the fact that he was tased. We’re just not used to seeing it because it looks frightening.

My understanding is that law officials don’t have to fight fair in this case. They can reasonably escalate to using stronger force to gain an advantage. If he had been running around swinging a baseball bat at people, the cop would have considered the bat a weapon, pulled his gun, and stopped the threat by shooting the kid dead.

However, if the use of a taser was meant to be a deterrent, they failed.

pt on May 5, 2010 at 4:04 PM

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