U.S. officials: Times Square bomb plot appears to have “international links”; Update: New leads on suspects; Video: The detonation, as it happened

posted at 4:19 pm on May 3, 2010 by Allahpundit

I can’t quite bring myself to believe that a bona fide, Taliban-trained bomber would be so stupid as to use non-explosive fertilizer, but I suppose jihadis have their “D students” too. Besides, if this was indeed a revenge attack for the killings of the two Al Qaeda capos in Iraq, as that Taliban tape claimed, it had to be pulled together lickety split. And speed means sloppiness.

Obligatory caveat: No one’s saying yet that it’s jihadi-related, merely that it looks to have a “foreign nexus.” Although there sure is a lot of activity all of a sudden in Talibanistan.

The failed car bombing in Times Square increasingly appears to have been coordinated by several people in a plot with international links, Obama administration officials said Tuesday…

Another U.S. official, recounting a conversation with intelligence officials, said, “Don’t be surprised if you find a foreign nexus. . . . They’re looking at some tell-tale signs and they’re saying it’s pointing in that direction.”

Officials cautioned that even if the investigation points toward an international link, rather than domestic or anti-government groups, that does not mean al-Qaeda or another terrorist organization is necessarily involved…

Police said the bomb would have created a fireball that likely would have killed or wounded many people, making it the most serious bombing attempt in the United States since the Christmas Day incident aboard a commercial flight bound for Detroit.

Holder hinted at “substantial progress” in the investigation this morning; combine that with the WaPo piece and it sounds like the cops now know a lot more than they can safely let on yet. One thing they can say: Apparently there was a second suspect caught on film running north on Broadway and away from the vehicle around the time everything started happening on Saturday night. The gun locker in the back weighed around 200 lbs. with the fertilizer in it, too, which may mean that two men were needed to lift it in. (Or maybe one guy loaded the empty locker in first and then tossed in the bags?) Oh, also in the vicinity at the time, coincidentally enough? Younus Abdullah Muhammed, the guy who runs the Islamist website that threatened “South Park.” He was a few blocks away on 42nd Street, reportedly shrieking about Obama through a bullhorn.

It’s almost not worth speculating on whether this is jihadis or domestic terrorists at work, since drawing the wrong conclusion either way will leave the left or right screaming at you. To my eye, the evidence looks mixed. It sounds like the suspects abandoned the vehicle when the fireworks in the back started going off prematurely — remember, there were timers back there, so presumably this was meant to blow later in the evening — but running from a bomb isn’t very martyr-like. If plans for a time bomb go awry, one would think the orders from jihad HQ are to stay put, take one for the team, and make sure the bomb detonates properly. On the other hand, domestic terrorists tend to be a bit more deliberately symbolic in their choice of targets: Anti-government nut McVeigh blew up a federal building, tax-hater Joe Stack flew his plane into an IRS office, anti-abortion fanatic Eric Rudolph attacked clinics, etc. Jihadis target symbolic locations too, of course (as we New Yorkers know only too well), but they also have a fondness for targets of opportunity like the London or Madrid subway systems where they can wipe out a bunch of people randomly. Times Square, landmark though it be, seems to fall more into the latter category. Offhand, I can’t think what “message” a domestic terrorist would be trying to send with an attack there — if it’s related to Wall Street, they could have made the five-minute drive downtown and detonated there — but then, it’s a mistake to presume that anyone nutty enough to jerry-rig a car bomb would follow any traditional M.O. Could be that this is a righty or lefty loon who simply thinks the random-attack jihad approach is a niftier way to go. They don’t call ‘em lunatics for nothing.

Via Breitbart, here’s Gibbs assuring the press corps that yes, no matter who’s responsible, of course this is a terrorism. Too bad our Secretary for Homeland Security wasn’t so clear-sighted when she danced around the question this morning.

Update: ABC is digging. Second look at the Taliban tape?

One senior official said there are several individuals believed to be connected with the bombing and that at least one of them is a Pakistani-American

Other law enforcement officials said the investigation was closing in on the driver of the vehicle and an unknown number of others connected to him…

Officials told ABC News Senior Justice correspondent Pierre Thomas that the Connecticut owner of the vehicle told them he had sold the Nissan SUV last month in an unrecorded sale to an “Arabic or Latino looking man” in his 20′s or 30′s, for a few hundred dollars in cash.

Update: Via HuffPo, a Brazilian tourist was right there with camera rolling as the “firecrackers” in the back of the SUV went off. My understanding of the incident until now was that only the local street vendors noticed something amiss and that the cops moved people in the area way back before anything happened in the vehicle. Not so. As you’ll see, there were still crowds around and the firecrackers themselves were heavy duty enough to cause a serious boom. Listen to the guy off-camera shouting about the Taliban 30 seconds in; bystanders clearly knew what the risk was here. If you’re a New Yorker, especially a New Yorker who was in the city on 9/11, this is tough to watch.

 


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Lemme guess, the sweater was made in a maquiladora south of the border?

RedRedRice on May 3, 2010 at 4:21 PM

Took gibbsy 22 seconds to say terrorist?

Inanemergencydial on May 3, 2010 at 4:21 PM

Well I did read an article that the Tea Party is being emulated by some British citizens.

Bishop on May 3, 2010 at 4:22 PM

if this was indeed a revenge attack for the killings of the two Al Qaeda capos in Iraq as that Taliban tape claimed, it had to be pulled together lickety split. And speed means sloppiness.

Why would this have to be on a set timetable? al Qaeda took years to assemble and train for the 9/11 attacks.

Originally they did have a “deadline” for those attacks, as bin Laden wanted them to happen on Clinton’s watch, but he was willing to wait so that Atta and company could train some more. Obviously that extra time was worthwhile, as they went 3-for-4 that morning.

Del Dolemonte on May 3, 2010 at 4:22 PM

Seems more like a hoax to me

faraway on May 3, 2010 at 4:22 PM

If plans for a time bomb go awry, presumably the orders from jihad HQ are to stay put, take one for the team, and make sure the bomb detonates properly

note how all of those in jihadi HQ ain’t leading by example and thinning out the gene pool themselves….

ted c on May 3, 2010 at 4:23 PM

At this point, I take whatever the WH says as a contrary indicator of what actually is.

petefrt on May 3, 2010 at 4:23 PM

AP, if it turns out to be a jihadi, make it a point to call him an infidel coward, unworthy of Mohammed’s love and affection.

That’s the equivalent of hitting him with a side of bacon.

ted c on May 3, 2010 at 4:25 PM

Looks like the result of Barry’s nuclear policy. No blowback if you don’t have nukes.

booter on May 3, 2010 at 4:26 PM

PREDICTION!!!!

loser American convert to Islam did a 2 week course in Pakistan, Yemen, etc and bought everything at Home Depot. with a credit card, and asked for the “best fertilizer”

E9RET on May 3, 2010 at 4:27 PM

Is it possible the initial timer was prematurely activated in route to a different target and the perps abandoned the vehicle when the timer malfunctioned.

fourdeucer on May 3, 2010 at 4:27 PM

P.S. Okay, maybe Canadian loser

E9RET on May 3, 2010 at 4:28 PM

several people in a plot with international links

you mean, “terrorists”….WaPo?

ted c on May 3, 2010 at 4:29 PM

E9RET on May 3, 2010 at 4:27 PM

Ladies and gentlemen…we have a thread winner!

milwife88 on May 3, 2010 at 4:29 PM

find a foreign nexus

you mean, “terrorists”…..Wa Po?

ted c on May 3, 2010 at 4:30 PM

Intentional elaborate hoax:

- SUV could have been parked in a legal spot (but was not)
- Propane should have been turned open (but was not)
- Fertilizer was not the right type

Who would go to these lengths to perpetrate a hoax?

faraway on May 3, 2010 at 4:31 PM

Gibbs is on it. Go back to whatever you were doing.

Chuck Schick on May 3, 2010 at 4:31 PM

AP, if it turns out to be a jihadi, make it a point to call him an infidel coward, unworthy of Mohammed’s love and affection.

That’s the equivalent of hitting him with a side of bacon.

ted c on May 3, 2010 at 4:25 PM

Both actions would be preferable, in that order.

Heralder on May 3, 2010 at 4:31 PM

ted c on May 3, 2010 at 4:30 PM

Ted, I think you’re on to something.

milwife88 on May 3, 2010 at 4:31 PM

Cough *South Park* Cough

orfannkyl on May 3, 2010 at 4:32 PM

Reading the WaPo article, I was struck by how everyone seems to be scratching their heads, wondering how we’ve managed to get by for so long without suffering a car bomb attack. Gee, I dunno….

Here’s a big clue-bat for ya, folks: Communications surveillance!

SWLiP on May 3, 2010 at 4:33 PM

So Wall St. is a “five-minute drive” from Times Square? OK, it is on the 8th season of 24, so I guess that’s about right.

BCrago66 on May 3, 2010 at 4:33 PM

Seems more like a hoax to me

faraway on May 3, 2010 at 4:22 PM

I gotta agree. Maybe not a hoax outright but a very VERY amateurish attempt. (Non-explosive fertilizer? M-80′s used to detonate sealed propane tanks which I presume were in the original “safety” propane containers designed to withstand simple fires?)

And now an “international conspiracy?”

Ehhh… it don’t add up.

Skywise on May 3, 2010 at 4:33 PM

These junior varsity jihadis suck at making bombs and detonators. We should count our blessings that these people haven’t tried to acquire guns and wreak havoc on soft targets like schools or malls.

Mike Honcho on May 3, 2010 at 4:34 PM

I think it was built to fail and was simply a message. It wouldn’t necessarily be Muslims behind it, though. It could be people who just want the US to play nice with Muslims and don’t want the media complicating things right now, so you give a little “nudge” in the form of a scare to keep the media in line.

Still, though, it’s probably Muslims.

Buddahpundit on May 3, 2010 at 4:36 PM

Took gibbsy 22 seconds to say terrorist?

Inanemergencydial on May 3, 2010 at 4:21 PM

They (this administration) really do have a hard time with this word terrorism, don’t they? I’ve posted a bit about this anomaly in the Green Room

Rovin on May 3, 2010 at 4:36 PM

Gibbs is on it. Go back to whatever you were doing.

Chuck Schick on May 3, 2010 at 4:31 PM

Did you hear what Gibbs said yesterday?

During the AF1 press gaggle, one of O’bama’s kneepads asked him to compare the oil spill with Hurricane Katrina. Of course, said kneepad prefaced the question by stating that it was an “unfair” question to ask.

Gibbsy said that the two events could not be compared-because the evil Bush Administration had been tracking Hurricane Katrina “for weeks” before it hit New Orleans.

In reality, Katrina formed 6 days before it came ashore in Louisiana.

Del Dolemonte on May 3, 2010 at 4:36 PM

If the WH suggests it’s looking like jihad terrorists, then I’d want to be sure they weren’t distracting from something else… some leftist union/anarchist/environmentalist outfit.

petefrt on May 3, 2010 at 4:36 PM

They (this administration) really do have a hard time with this word terrorism, don’t they? I’ve posted a bit about this anomaly in the Green Room

Rovin on May 3, 2010 at 4:36 PM

Not just “this Administration”, but Leftists in general. They would rather be waterboarded than use the “T” word.

Del Dolemonte on May 3, 2010 at 4:37 PM

Apparently Janap wasn’t included in the loop that said it was alright now to use the dreaded “T-word” that anyone with 2-cents worth of brains had already figured out. Homeland Security is an oxymoron led by a moron.

Bob in VA on May 3, 2010 at 4:38 PM

Hmmmmm maybe Google, M-80 and gas and fertilizer and propane bomb???

(Actually, I afraid to do it now!! ;-))

E9RET on May 3, 2010 at 4:38 PM

It was some redneck (like me) who sold the Taliban clown fertilizer that he know wouldn’t go boom.

If someone I racially profile as being from the middle east wants to buy explosive fertilizer, I am going to switch labels and sell him something else.

And yes, that is probably racist. But if he was growing marigolds, they would still look great.

barnone on May 3, 2010 at 4:38 PM

an unrecorded sale to an “Arabic or Latino looking man”

Abdul Hernandez?

Bruno Strozek on May 3, 2010 at 4:40 PM

Ehhh… it don’t add up.

Skywise on May 3, 2010 at 4:33 PM

Agreed.

The only legitimate suspect I could envision at this point is some stoner anarchist.

Who else but some burned out stoner could muck up a simple fertilizer bomb?

ButterflyDragon on May 3, 2010 at 4:41 PM

Officials cautioned that even if the investigation points toward an international link, rather than domestic or anti-government groups, that does not mean al-Qaeda or another terrorist organization is necessarily involved…

Is it just me, or is that an odd paragraph? Is that a gratuitous swipe at ‘domestic or anti-government’ folks?

That paragraph reads as though the first presumption is that is *is* a domestic/anti-government event, with the qualifying “even if it *is* international” statement that seems to presume that this is a second and more remote possibility… ?

Midas on May 3, 2010 at 4:42 PM

Gibbs is on it. Go back to whatever you were doing.

Chuck Schick on May 3, 2010 at 4:31 PM

The willing suspension of intelligence. Our very own Sgt. Schultz.

Mr_Magoo on May 3, 2010 at 4:42 PM

an unrecorded sale to an “Arabic or Latino looking man”

If they had the AZ law, they would have asked for papers and arrested him on the spot.

faraway on May 3, 2010 at 4:42 PM

Bill Ayers screwed up some bombs once. He said “I didn’t do enough”.

faraway on May 3, 2010 at 4:43 PM

started going off prematurely — remember, there were timers back there, so presumably this was meant to blow later in the evening

I can sympathize.

amerpundit on May 3, 2010 at 4:43 PM

bush kept us safe.

obama hasn’t.

the xmas bomber.

the recruiter attack.

fort hood.

this.

obama has appeased the enemy and the left and made us less safe.

michael hayden said this months ago. bill kristol too. weeks ago.

reliapundit on May 3, 2010 at 4:43 PM

Huh? But the media told us that it was White Guy who did this, how could that be?

I’d think if the NYPD took the lead this thing would be much neater and well done than with having the FBI get its bureaucratic little hands on it. How long before this was just a diversion by Big Oil to take our eye off the BP problem?

Rbastid on May 3, 2010 at 4:43 PM

Del Dolemonte on May 3, 2010 at 4:36 PM

Good Lord, I didn’t see that.

These are the pettiest, most partisan group of children I’ve ever seen.

Chuck Schick on May 3, 2010 at 4:44 PM

Gibbsy said that the two events could not be compared-because the evil Bush Administration had been tracking Hurricane Katrina “for weeks” before it hit New Orleans.

In reality, Katrina formed 6 days before it came ashore in Louisiana.

Del Dolemonte on May 3, 2010 at 4:36 PM

But they knew it was hurricane season, right? So no excuses.

/rolls eyes

Mr_Magoo on May 3, 2010 at 4:44 PM

Plenty of evidence that jihadis have poor bomb making skills, the “underwear” bomber for example, and he had plenty of foreign contacts.

Not that said contacts would even matter for those smitten by “sudden jihad syndrome”. Any muslem might wake up with the hankering to kill and be killed for allah, at any time. They are still considered mujahedeen, even if they’re not formally part of a murderous islamic organization.

Rebar on May 3, 2010 at 4:45 PM

Who else but some burned out stoner could muck up a simple fertilizer bomb?

ButterflyDragon on May 3, 2010 at 4:41 PM

Unless, as another commenter said, it was designed to get attention, but not explode.

petefrt on May 3, 2010 at 4:46 PM

Officials told ABC News Senior Justice correspondent Pierre Thomas that the Connecticut owner of the vehicle told them he had sold the Nissan SUV last month in an unrecorded sale to an “Arabic or Latino looking man” in his 20’s or 30’s, for a few hundred dollars in cash.

Some… Puerto Rican guy?

“How tall was he?”

Average… Puerto Rican height?

Okay money’s down… It’s a one or two man amateur group that have no actual connections and wanted to make a statement and talked about it on MySpace with some guys in Europe (International Link my a**)

Obama et al are running this thing politically to make themselves look good and “on the job” to divert from Louisiana which they have NO control over the narrative but are getting all the blame of.

Skywise on May 3, 2010 at 4:47 PM

the Connecticut owner of the vehicle told them he had sold the Nissan SUV last month in an unrecorded sale to an “Arabic or Latino looking man” in his 20’s or 30’s, for a few hundred dollars in cash.

That SUV Kelly blue Books out for alot more, at around $3455 in “Fair” condition.

Something stinks about that “deal”.

portlandon on May 3, 2010 at 4:48 PM

Times Square, landmark though it be, seems to fall more into the latter category. Offhand, I can’t think what “message” a domestic terrorist would be trying to send with an attack there


I can think of one target at Times Sq that would draw domestic nutters: the big military recruitment center located there. In fact, you may recall it was targeted in a 2008 blast: http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/06/police-investigate-explosion-in-times-square/

rcpjr on May 3, 2010 at 4:48 PM

I would LMAO if it was linked to a leftist MAY DAY follower or even an Undocumented Alien of Hispanic Descent from our Southern Border.

barnone on May 3, 2010 at 4:49 PM

Good thing we’re spending trillions fighting them over there!

Rae on May 3, 2010 at 4:50 PM

That paragraph reads as though the first presumption is that is *is* a domestic/anti-government event, with the qualifying “even if it *is* international” statement that seems to presume that this is a second and more remote possibility… ?

Midas on May 3, 2010 at 4:42 PM

A domestic/anti-government event? The timing is right. It fits Obama’s narrative.

petefrt on May 3, 2010 at 4:51 PM

for a few hundred dollars in cash.

Sounds like the SUV should have been a Cash for Clunker candidate and broke down before the bomber got to his destination.

fourdeucer on May 3, 2010 at 4:51 PM

an unrecorded sale to an “Arabic or Latino looking man”

Watch and weep my friends

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/5329303/14049396

macncheez on May 3, 2010 at 4:51 PM

Del Dolemonte on May 3, 2010 at 4:36 PM

Good Lord, I didn’t see that.

These are the pettiest, most partisan group of children I’ve ever seen.

Chuck Schick on May 3, 2010 at 4:44 PM

After what was probably several hours of meetings on the subject, Gibbs still has no clue what’s going on:

“Look, I think there are a series of processes that, as you said, could take — could take a matter of days. I think — I forget the exact term of the structure of putting on top of the — the valve would take probably another week. The original well took 90 days to drill and it could take — it could take that long to drill a relief well.”

I think, I forget, could take… ? Good job Gibbsy.

Mr_Magoo on May 3, 2010 at 4:52 PM

Plenty of evidence that jihadis have poor bomb making skills, the “underwear” bomber for example, and he had plenty of foreign contacts.

Not that said contacts would even matter for those smitten by “sudden jihad syndrome”. Any muslem might wake up with the hankering to kill and be killed for allah, at any time. They are still considered mujahedeen, even if they’re not formally part of a murderous islamic organization.

Rebar on May 3, 2010 at 4:45 PM

Different situation. He had the right explosives, properly configured and they WOULD HAVE detonated if he had been able to get the fuse properly lit. The problem on the plane is ignition. You want electronic firing but those have the nasty habit of being picked up by the x-rays and metal detectors… Same with the shoe bomber.

In London the problem was one of coordination. The backpack explosives were properly configured AND had proper ignition sources but one group couldn’t get to the station on time.

Skywise on May 3, 2010 at 4:52 PM

no, i think the underwear bomber did something pretty bright & technologically advanced: he got thru surveillance. yeah, ok, the bomb fizzled, but you can’t have it all, right?

i thought these jihadis were all sitting around in cells just waiting for the “go” words. i thought they spent all their down time training.

or is this whole thing being manipulated by the govt & the press to make me feel less afraid of the Islamic jihad?

kelley in virginia on May 3, 2010 at 4:53 PM

DeMSM Math

Tim McVeigh = Terrorist.
Tim McVeigh = White.
White = Terrorist.
White + Terrorist = Teabaggers
Pissed off Muslims + explosions = Nothing to see here, move along

fiatboomer on May 3, 2010 at 4:53 PM

Okay money’s down… It’s a one or two man amateur group that have no actual connections and wanted to make a statement and talked about it on MySpace with some guys in Europe (International Link my a**)

Obama et al are running this thing politically to make themselves look good and “on the job” to divert from Louisiana which they have NO control over the narrative but are getting all the blame of.

Skywise on May 3, 2010 at 4:47 PM

My bet is yer gettin’ close.

petefrt on May 3, 2010 at 4:54 PM

Plenty of evidence that jihadis have poor bomb making skills, the “underwear” bomber for example, and he had plenty of foreign contacts.

Rebar on May 3, 2010 at 4:45 PM

Setting your crotch on fire 10,000 feet in the air shows more devotion than running from burning firecrackers in Times Square in my opinion.

ButterflyDragon on May 3, 2010 at 4:56 PM

The individual who planted the bomb knew to scrape out the VIN on the dashboard but not from the engine or axle. From the article:

Peter King, the top Republican on the House Homeland Security Committee, said Monday on Fox News that there was no intelligence chatter before Saturday, making a foreign connection unlikely.

The SUV was parked near offices of Viacom Inc., which owns Comedy Central. The network recently aired an episode of the animated show “South Park” that the group Revolution Muslim had complained insulted the Prophet Muhammad by depicting him in a bear costume.

Who wants to bet this was connected to South Park?

amerpundit on May 3, 2010 at 4:56 PM

What do they mean, exactly, by “non-explosive” fertilizer? Even McVeigh’s fertilizer bomb required fuel for the explosion. THe fertilizer doesn’t itself explode, it feeds the exlosion of the fuel.

SarahW on May 3, 2010 at 4:57 PM

so two devastating attacks on the United States under the Obama admin were averted from pure luck.

rob verdi on May 3, 2010 at 5:00 PM

Must be some of those right wing nuts back from combat that the administration had warned us about last year….or a tea partier. /s

tommer74 on May 3, 2010 at 5:00 PM

Del Dolemonte on May 3, 2010 at 4:36 PM

Good Lord, I didn’t see that.

These are the pettiest, most partisan group of children I’ve ever seen.

Chuck Schick on May 3, 2010 at 4:44 PM

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/press-gaggle-press-secretary-robert-gibbs-aboard-air-force-one-0

Q: I know you would reject any comparison between this and Katrina, but has the President expressed that he’s mindful that some people might want to draw those connections? I mean, it’s happening even though — there are a number of –

MR. GIBBS: And other than geography, I haven’t figured out how.

Q But I mean, are you all mindful of that?

MR. GIBBS: Only because you keep asking.

Q Well, I’m just asking; other people are writing this.

MR. GIBBS: I would say this. I have no doubt that — well, I’m happy to compare the response. I think it’s — we’re obviously dealing with a situation of great potential environmental and economic devastation. I think the analogies though are tougher to make in an event that — a storm that you track for several weeks that comes ashore and kills 1,800 people. And again, I think if you look at the fact that — I think the timeline I was looking at this morning had this explosion — had the Coast Guard and the Navy there on site immediately after this explosion. We’ve done everything that we could.

Del Dolemonte on May 3, 2010 at 5:02 PM

How do you have an “Unrecorded Sale” of a vehicle in Conn. Dont you have to transfer the title to someone? I say waterboard everyone at the DMV till we get a straight answer.

jesterstear on May 3, 2010 at 5:04 PM

The White House erred when it labeled the perp as a terrorist.

S/he was really a would be Human Causing Disasterist.

BLOC on May 3, 2010 at 5:05 PM

How do you have an “Unrecorded Sale” of a vehicle in Conn. Dont you have to transfer the title to someone? I say waterboard everyone at the DMV till we get a straight answer.

jesterstear on May 3, 2010 at 5:04 PM

It was not government approved, comrade.

Skywise on May 3, 2010 at 5:06 PM

This is the 3rd terrorist attempt/attack on our country in less than a year. How many more under Napolatano does it take to get her fired? This Administration literally gets more outrageous as each day goes by.

Denverslim on May 3, 2010 at 5:06 PM

What do they mean, exactly, by “non-explosive” fertilizer? Even McVeigh’s fertilizer bomb required fuel for the explosion. THe fertilizer doesn’t itself explode, it feeds the exlosion of the fuel.

SarahW on May 3, 2010 at 4:57 PM

Not all fertilizer is ammonium nitrate. And under certain conditions, it can explode on it’s own.

ButterflyDragon on May 3, 2010 at 5:07 PM

Okay, so now they’ve graduated to “foreigners”…twenty bucks says they never connect that final dot to “The Religion of Peace”.

SuperCool on May 3, 2010 at 5:12 PM

I want Chuck Shumer called out for saying this is a “Lone Wolf”. I want him to have lift 200 pounds of his own bullish*t into a Nissan Pathfinder on television!!!

Denverslim on May 3, 2010 at 5:13 PM

running thru the cable channels…chrissy was pushing right wing anti-government terrorist who must have committed it meme… what a schmuck

cmsinaz on May 3, 2010 at 5:14 PM

I can’t quite bring myself to believe that a bona fide, Taliban-trained bomber would be so stupid as to use non-explosive fertilizer, but I suppose jihadis have their “D students” too.

Is that a D for democrats?…Just asking.

Falz on May 3, 2010 at 5:14 PM

Denverslim on May 3, 2010 at 5:06 PM

this is when one really misses W…3 in less than a 1, and 0 in 7 yrs post 9/11… (correct me if I’m wrong)

cmsinaz on May 3, 2010 at 5:19 PM

The backpack explosives were properly configured AND had proper ignition sources but one group couldn’t get to the station on time.

Skywise on May 3, 2010 at 4:52 PM

They tried again later, and the home made explosive had degraded to the point where it wouldn’t explode.

Setting your crotch on fire 10,000 feet in the air shows more devotion than running from burning firecrackers in Times Square in my opinion.

ButterflyDragon on May 3, 2010 at 4:56 PM

Evidently not all jihadists are cut from the same cloth. Moreover, not all attacks are meant to end in death, example would be the muslem who used his SUV to run infidels over in North Carolina.

Rebar on May 3, 2010 at 5:20 PM

SarahW on May 3, 2010 at 4:57 PM

The fireworks may have been the igniter for the gasoline. The resultant fire might/would have been enough to get the fertilizer burning also, adding to the temperature which given enough time, could have caused the propane tanks to explode. Add to that the vehicle fuel tank itself and…

This wouldn’t have been a FAE bomb as some originally reported it, since there wasn’t enough area for any vapor to expand amongst other things. Could have caused a BLEVE with the propane, but it would have probably taken more time for the tanks to rupture than the vehicle would have given it and since there were three separate tanks, no guarantee they would have all BLEVEd at the same time if at all.

All of that is just speculation of course

Pure ammonium nitrate would have been the type of fertilizer which would have given the most bang, but you can’t buy a lot of that without raising eyebrows, maybe that’s why they went with another type? What the hell was it – Scotts Turf Builder?

catmman on May 3, 2010 at 5:21 PM

A domestic/anti-government event? The timing is right. It fits Obama’s narrative.

petefrt on May 3, 2010 at 4:51 PM

Never let a good crisis go to,…well you know how it goes.

a capella on May 3, 2010 at 5:23 PM

How do you have an “Unrecorded Sale” of a vehicle in Conn. Dont you have to transfer the title to someone? I say waterboard everyone at the DMV till we get a straight answer.

jesterstear on May 3, 2010 at 5:04 PM

It was sold for cash through Craiglist.

faraway on May 3, 2010 at 5:23 PM

Butterflydragon, my understanding is that it aids explosions, like oxygen aids a fire. But in itself fertilizers are neither flammable nor explosive.

SarahW on May 3, 2010 at 5:24 PM

How do you have an “Unrecorded Sale” of a vehicle in Conn. Dont you have to transfer the title to someone? I say waterboard everyone at the DMV till we get a straight answer.

jesterstear on May 3, 2010 at 5:04 PM

I say, I quite like this idea and I want jesterstear in charge of the investigation.

myrenovations on May 3, 2010 at 5:24 PM

Denverslim on May 3, 2010 at 5:06 PM

this is when one really misses W…3 in less than a 1, and 0 in 7 yrs post 9/11… (correct me if I’m wrong)

cmsinaz on May 3, 2010 at 5:19 PM

I miss W.

Denverslim on May 3, 2010 at 5:25 PM

Catmman, I speculate the fertilizer in the van was KNO3 (saltpetre)

SarahW on May 3, 2010 at 5:25 PM

Who wants to bet this was connected to South Park?

amerpundit on May 3, 2010 at 4:56 PM

The muslim convert from Queens who made the threat about South Park on his website admits he was in Times Square at the time of the failed bombing.From the New York Daily News:

Younus Abdullah Muhammed, who runs the Web site RevolutionMuslim.com, said he was in Times Square at the time the car bomb was discovered, but he insisted he was not involved in the botched bombing.

What are the odds?

leilani on May 3, 2010 at 5:27 PM

Who else but some burned out stoner could muck up a simple fertilizer bomb?

ButterflyDragon on May 3, 2010 at 4:41 PM

Hmmm… well, I’m neither burned out nor a stoner, but I can simply say that I wouldn’t know the first thing about making a fertilizer bomb.

Midas on May 3, 2010 at 5:28 PM

AP, you see the news that the last registered owner of the Pathfinder said he sold it to a “middle eastern” man for $1300 in $100 bills on Craigslist?

russcote on May 3, 2010 at 5:31 PM

It was sold for cash through Craiglist.

faraway on May 3, 2010 at 5:23 PM

just saw that on drudge

cmsinaz on May 3, 2010 at 5:32 PM

Previous owner of SUV sells it for a few hundred bucks?? And no change of title?? Something smells here. It looked like it was worth more when I saw it being towed away by NYPD even after they broke in to disarm it. Surely, there will be a police sketch of the “buyer” coming up shortly.

Bob in VA on May 3, 2010 at 5:34 PM

AP, you see the news that the last registered owner of the Pathfinder said he sold it to a “middle eastern” man for $1300 in $100 bills on Craigslist?

russcote on May 3, 2010 at 5:31 PM

BS, we know this was a white perp; I’ll bet the guy claiming he sold it is a teabagger in on the whole thing, just trying to cover his arse.

*sends to Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann for use on their next show*

Midas on May 3, 2010 at 5:34 PM

Obama has a great strategy for protecting the public from terrorist attack: It’s called the “hope the effin’ bomb fails to detonate strategy.” It worked in Times Square. It worked on Christmas Day.

I hear the Obama administration has every confidence it will work with North Korea and Iran too.

tommylotto on May 3, 2010 at 5:34 PM

SarahW on May 3, 2010 at 5:25 PM

Yeah, but potassium nitrate isn’t explosive, well not on it’s own I guess – would gasoline make it so? I don’t know…

It could be an accelerant I suppose, but I have no expertise in fertilizer bombs.

Neither does our fledgling jihadi – thank goodness!

catmman on May 3, 2010 at 5:35 PM

The Obama regime and the MSM sure are going to great lengths to downplay this as ‘amateurish’ and therefore nothing much to worry about. That must mean they suspect Middle Eastern Muslims, rather than white-skinned, right-wing militias, must be involved.

kd6rxl on May 3, 2010 at 5:35 PM

Skywise on May 3, 2010 at 4:52 PM

He didn’t need a fuse in the configuration being used. The mixture of the liquid with the crystals would have created an exothermic reaction. The exothermic reaction would have provided the energy necessary to ignite the explosive solid. The problem was that he was unable to properly distribute the liquid over all of the solid so that only some of the solid started to ignite. The only way it would have worked is if he had ignited the weapon in the bathroom.

chemman on May 3, 2010 at 5:37 PM

SarahW on May 3, 2010 at 5:24 PM

Potassium nitrate = KNO3. It is the oxygen atoms in the nitrate that aids the explosion of fertilizer bomb.

chemman on May 3, 2010 at 5:42 PM

Butterflydragon, my understanding is that it aids explosions, like oxygen aids a fire. But in itself fertilizers are neither flammable nor explosive.

SarahW on May 3, 2010 at 5:24 PM

Depends upon the amount of nitrogen and type of fillers in the fertilizer. The fertilizer typically used for a bomb is going to be a commercial type that is not that easy to get. A typical bag of fertilizer from your local gardening center is not going to make a bomb without a lot of assistance from other chemicals.

Hmmm… well, I’m neither burned out nor a stoner, but I can simply say that I wouldn’t know the first thing about making a fertilizer bomb.

Midas on May 3, 2010 at 5:28 PM

But you also didn’t go through the trouble of trying to build one and take it to Times Square. For anyone that was willing to go to that extent, they would have had the resources available to them to figure it out. Heck, you can search the internet and find numerous ways to make one. Even YouTube videos showing how it’s done.

ButterflyDragon on May 3, 2010 at 5:42 PM

Janet Incompetano said on Fox News Sunday that this car bomb, ‘could be a terrorist threat.’

Could be?

Maybe I’m stupid but WHAT ELSE could it be…..?

Dick Turpin on May 3, 2010 at 5:42 PM

Psssst… Obama! Yeah, you, Obama. Com’ere, I got something to tell you. Lean closer… nah come on I’m not going to bite you. That’s better. Now lean into my face. Closer… closer. That’s good. Now stay there for just a few seconds and listen to this:

“You are a weak kneed, lilly livered idiot for putting our National Security on the line by thinking just a few soft words spoken from your purple lips of lies would convince those who seek to destroy our greatness would cease and descist because of your whispers and whimpers. You’re an embarrassment and you’re so far out of OUR league you should go sit in the corner and cry yourself a new Nile River. Now, step off mister Underoo’s. Let Men Lead”.

There, I said it.

Key West Reader on May 3, 2010 at 5:44 PM

OH, and one more thing, Obama: “Get off my Lawn”.

Key West Reader on May 3, 2010 at 5:46 PM

The date of the bombing, May Day, suggests international communist/socialist/anarchist roots. My bet is the significance of the date outweighs the proximity to Viacom/South Park offices. As clues, they seem contradictory (May Day left versus Islam fundamentalist), and you need to chose one unless you have a theory that reconciles them.

I suspect the WH is feeding jihad speculation to distract from 1) the leftist connection and 2)the Horizon oil spill.

petefrt on May 3, 2010 at 5:46 PM

Key West Reader on May 3, 2010 at 5:44 PM

well said kwr!

cmsinaz on May 3, 2010 at 5:47 PM

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