Attempted car bomb in Times Square? Update: Taliban take credit? Update: Early lead on suspect; Update: Fertilizer non-explosive
posted at 12:03 am on May 2, 2010 by Allahpundit
I’m reluctant to raise the alarm before the NYPD’s finished its investigation, but this makes me nervous:
A suspicious vehicle in the heart of Times Square led the police to clear thousands of tourists and theatergoers from the area on a warm and busy Saturday evening…
Police officials said a witness reported a running Nissan Pathfinder with Connecticut plates, with smoke coming out of the back. A bomb squad robot popped the back latch of the Pathfinder, and officers found what they initially believed was a bomb. The vehicle was found to contain explosives, gasoline, propane and burned wires, a Fire Department officer told Reuters.
The officer, who did not give his name because he was not authorized to speak to the news media, said that a man was seen fleeing the S.U.V. and that the police evacuated the area in case there were other threats nearby.
The officer said that the police were treating the vehicle as a “failed device.” The police were searching for a suspect.
What makes me nervous is the use of propane. Remember that London bombing plot three years ago, in which jihadis tried — and failed — to set off a bunch of car bombs around the city? Quote:
The car bombs were similar to highly destructive explosives used in Iraq and could have killed hundreds of people, U.S. and British officials told NBC News. British officials warned that the country was facing a “serious and sustained” terrorist threat…
Authorities believe [the first car] was intended to be set off by remote control by a cell phone found inside. The cell phone had received at least two calls, which should have detonated several gallons of gasoline, but when the calls came in, the bomb failed to go off, the official said.
Had it done so, that blast then would have ignited six to eight tanks of propane in a mist to make a fuel-air explosion, creating a fireball the size of a small house and propelling 18 to 20 boxes of roofing nails around a large area at bullet speed, counterterrorism officials said.
Fuel-air bombs are hugely destructive, as this harrowing Danger Room article published after the London plot broke made all too clear. A fuel-air bomb properly detonated in Times Square on a Saturday night likely would have killed hundreds of people. If that’s what this was — and the feds evidently aren’t sure yet, despite reports of “fireworks” going on in the back seat and someone running away from the vehicle — then there’s a seriously dangerous individual running around NYC right now. Stay tuned. While we wait, check out this PowerPoint presentation generated by the NYPD after the London plot was foiled. The last slide is the one you’re interested in.
Update (5/2): I woke up fully expecting to find that it was a false alarm. Nope. According to CBS NY, this thing was “moments from blowing up.” More from the NYT:
Inside, they discovered three canisters of propane like those used for barbecue grills, two five-gallon cans of gasoline, consumer-grade fireworks — the apparent source of the “pops” — and two clocks with batteries, the mayor said. He said the device “looked amateurish.”
Mr. Browne said: “It appeared it was in the process of detonating, but it malfunctioned.”
Bomb squad officers also discovered a two-by-two-by-four-foot metal box — described as a “gun locker” — in the S.U.V. that was taken to the Police Department’s firing range at Rodman’s Neck in the Bronx to be destroyed, Mr. Kelly said. It was not immediately known what, if anything, was inside it.
Buildings in the vicinity were quickly evacuated, which tells you how seriously they were taking this and how much explosive power they feared the bomb might have. Said Bloomberg, putting it mildly, “We are very lucky.” As for possible culprits, trying to set off a bomb with fireworks doesn’t sound like the work of master jihadis, but then the 2007 London plot was a jihad operation too and that didn’t come off either. The basic ingredients in both plots are the same — propane and gasoline, a.k.a. a fuel-air device. Read this Time magazine piece from five years ago about Al Qaeda capo Dhiren Barot’s “Gas Limo Plot,” which involved packing limousines with tanks of compressed gas, driving them into underground garages, and detonating them to create a fuel-air concussion that would bring down the building. As I understand it, an enclosed place is ideal for maximum damage from a bomb like that, but obviously not essential. In fact, the cars found in the London plot three years ago were discovered parked on the street, just like the one found last night.
Update: Inevitably, this’ll be played off in some quarters as yet another keystone-cop amateur trying and pathetically failing to build a real terrorist bomb. Note well:
“It looked like someone tried to detonate it and we got to it in time,” a police source said. “This is a big deal. It has the makings of a real car bomb.”…
“The death toll could have been enormous,” a police source said. “It was a nice day and the Times Square area was completely packed.”
Update: I mentioned the proximity of the bomb to Viacom HQ — which owns Comedy Central and “South Park” — in an e-mail to a friend last night, but didn’t post it here since I figured the whole thing would be a false alarm. Turns out the NYPD is on the case:
Police in New York are investigating whether a car bomb in Times Square was targeted on the makers of South Park over a controversial depiction of the Prophet Muhammad.
The device, which failed to detonate, was left near the offices of Viacom, which owns the irreverent cartoon series.
Update: The NYPD is now denying that they’re investigating any links to the threats against Comedy Central. Meanwhile, an intriguing lead from Roggio:
A top Pakistani Taliban commander took credit for yesterday’s failed car bomb attack in New York City.
Qari Hussain Mehsud, the top bomb maker for the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan, said he takes “fully responsibility for the recent attack in the USA.” Qari Hussain made the claim on an audiotape accompanied by images that was released on a YouTube website that calls itself the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan News Channel.
The tape has yet to be verified, but US intelligence officials contacted by The Long War Journal believe it is legitimate. The Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan News Channel on YouTube was created on April 30. Officials believe it was created to announce the Times Square attack, and Qari Hussain’s statement was pre-recorded.…
“This attack is a revenge for the great & valuable martyred leaders of mujahideen,” Qari Hussain said. He listed Baitullah Mehsud, the former leader of the Pakistani Taliban who was killed in a Predator strike in August 2009, and Abu Omar al Baghdadi, the former leader of al Qaeda Islamic State of Iraq who was killed by Iraqi forces in mid-April. And although he was not mentioned, an image of Abu Ayyub al Masri, the leader of al Qaeda in Iraq, was also displayed in the images accompanying the audiotape.
WaPo cites sources saying that an unknown “powder” was also found in the vehicle while reminding readers that Abdulmutallab had a powder-based bomb aboard Flight 253. If this thing really was a revenge attack for Baghdadi and al-Masri, they pulled it together awfully quickly: Those two were killed just 12 days ago. If, on the other hand, the Taliban had nothing to do with it and are simply trying to steal a little credit, why rush out a tape for a failed bombing attack? They would have been better off claiming that they blew up the BP rig or something; as improbable as that claim would have been, there are plenty of people who would have taken it seriously.
Update: A possible answer to the last question: Maybe Hussain and his media people aren’t in a position right now where they can get news from NYC to verify whether the attack succeeded. If this was in fact a Taliban op and the leadership knew it was scheduled for last night, they might have simply put out the tape this morning on the assumption that the bomb had gone off as planned. Or maybe they’re lying their asses off and trying to opportunistically piggyback on an attack that they actually had nothing to do with. Although if that’s the case, it raises the question of what attack they did have in mind when they made the tape. Hmmmm.
Update: Coincidence or not? Cops in Pittsburgh say they’ve found a bomb along the route of today’s marathon.
Police say the device was found in a small microwave oven on the sidewalk after the leaders had finished the course Sunday morning. Several blocks were cordoned off near the original finish line for the marathon and half-marathon.
The bomb squad used a robot to disable the device. The all-clear was given for the area shortly before 11 a.m. About 5,000 people took part in the full marathon.
Update: A promising lead from this afternoon’s NYPD presser:
Police and federal agents on Sunday were reviewing surveillance footage that shows a possible suspect in the failed Times Square car bombing, describing him as a white man in his 40s who was walking away from the area where the vehicle was parked, looking furtively over his shoulder and removing a layer of clothing, officials said…
Federal authorities said the incident appeared to be an isolated one, and that there was no evidence of an ongoing threat to the city.
Upon opening the gun locker found in the car, cops discovered eight bags of what could be fertilizer, which of course is what McVeigh used to bring down the Murrah building. There’s also this, which sounds like a crank call but who knows:
On Sunday, police and F.B.I. officials were also investigating a 911 call placed at around 4 a.m. on Sunday, several officials said. The caller, who one official said sounded intelligent, admonished the 911 dispatcher not to interrupt him until he was finished and then said there would be a massive explosion soon and the car in Times Square was only a diversion.
Kelly says there’s no evidence to substantiate the Taliban’s claim of responsibility. Stay tuned.
Update: WaPo’s got an interesting piece up debating whether this is likely jihadists at work or not. Evidently there’s been tons of chatter online lately about avenging the killings of Al Qaeda’s leaders in Iraq, but the description of the bomb really does make it sound amateurish. Turns out the powder found in the car is the sort of pyrotechnic stuff you find in fireworks, not something explosive like PETN. And the propane tanks were sealed rather than left open, which evidently makes it much harder to generate a big explosion. Then again, the 2007 London plot had jihadi fingerprints all over it and those bombs didn’t detonate either.
Update: The best evidence yet that this was the work of a bona fide amateur: They found 100 lbs. of fertilizer in the back, and … it’s non-explosive. What kind of moron bomber would go to the lengths this guy went to without making sure that the stuff he’s got actually goes boom?









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Do you really want ta play this game? Okay, you will lose!
Yes, he said let me be clear “Israel is a strong friend of Israel” and no matter who is elected Israel will remain a strong friend of Israel
Granted, it wasn’t a lie but its kinda like stating water will remain wet regardless of who is elected.
DSchoen on May 3, 2010 at 4:07 AM
This smells to high heaven.Something is very wrong here.
thmcbb on May 3, 2010 at 4:08 AM
Nice.
ladyingray on May 3, 2010 at 4:50 AM
I got a few hours sleep and wake up to find you all freaking out on each other. What happened? Good Katy, Dark Current,thomasaur? Did someone drop something in the HA water cooler? Don’t we have trolls to bash? TIME OUT!!
katy the mean old lady on May 3, 2010 at 5:39 AM
Still tryin to back track how this all started. First, no one told me they passed some kind of law against human sacrifice and now I see that I wasn’t invited to “let’s drink a bunch of cheap tequila and p@ss on each other Sunday” Nice.
katy the mean old lady on May 3, 2010 at 6:14 AM
The kind that wanted to test the system?
The kind that wanted to cause the terror without causing any real damage?
The kind that is a big talker, not to bright and prodded into it by his buddies?
The kind that thinks what you see on Myth Busters, 24 and McGyver really works as shown?
The scary part is how simple it was for him to gather up the stuff, drive to the location and walk away. It shows how unprotected we really are from internal terrorism. We were lucky but sooner or later one of these wannabes is going to get it right.
Ragamuffin on May 3, 2010 at 6:17 AM
I was speaking to friends in NY who are up on this. We are dealing with people who still have a 12th century mind set. Genius material they are not. However, this was very close to exploding and had the potential to kill or maim many.
katy the mean old lady on May 3, 2010 at 6:32 AM
STAGED! Thats all I can say. STAGED! The CBS piece is too quick to say WHITE MALE MID 40′s and show a video of a guy changing his shirt who makes sure he looks at the camera and then looks around to look suspicious with all these people around. CBS says he was in an alley trying to not be seen. He’s in the middle of a sidewalk, by a trashcan taking off a shirt, practically dead CENTER on the video camera framing. This piece would imply white males in their 40′s, a nice target for the Administration mind you, is connected with the Tallibannies. Well sorry, I’m not fooled.
The bomb materials were made of stupid ingredients to boot. When will this Administration start running the country for the better instead of doing these stupid parlor tricks? By the way, hows that Coastal Disaster coming? Anyone find out what caused the REAL explosion? SWAT teams at all the other rigs? WHats B.O. gonna do? Seize all of our Gulf Oil or something? games people. games.
johnnyU on May 3, 2010 at 8:53 AM
Maybe it was a warning…why does it have to be professional to be taken seriously…I’m sick of hearing this. If Crude kills just one person…well you get the picture.
tomas on May 3, 2010 at 8:54 AM
I have tin foil hats for sale for $10/each. Email me for how to obtain one. Is this seriously what has become of Republicans?
Decider on May 3, 2010 at 9:11 AM
I have tin foil hats for sale for $10/each. Email me for how to obtain one. Is this seriously what has become of Republicans?
Decider on May 3, 2010 at 9:11 AM
Yeaah. It was just a bomb attempt…in Times square…nothing serious. Nope. Nothing serious at all. ///
kingsjester on May 3, 2010 at 9:18 AM
I’m glad they were able to decide he was a white guy. I better knowing it was such a low life form.
tomas on May 3, 2010 at 9:24 AM
Seriouly, Decider? As an independent, you’re question is quite laughable. The right has had to live with 8 years of conspiracy theories about W, Cheney and his administration regarding 911 and war in Iraq. Not to mention all the hate spewed, middle finger throwing and demonstrations wishing for their demise. I can’t tell you all the bumper stickers I’ve seen on cars here in California touting harm for W. Frankly, I find the left more disgusting in their public discourse. You think the left might have created this climate of distrust by those on the right? Afterall the race-baiting and comparing the right leaners to uneducated trailer trash, seems to me this is the climate the left was hoping for.
wordsmithy2009 on May 3, 2010 at 9:34 AM
A bomb attempt and a very poor one at that, and a white guy changing his shirt. Maybe he just killed somebody. Who says he did this Dollar Store bomb attempt?
Will you take $9 for one of those hats?
johnnyU on May 3, 2010 at 9:35 AM
It’s seems to me the bomb-making skills on display here are commensurate with the usual ‘fix-it’ skills of your average white, urban beta-male Lefty.
Have we taken a serious look at Frank Rich’s alibi? Because I suspect Rich was trying to get rid some awful, gauche, tacky flyover tourist types.
Or was it Olbermann?
Doorgunner on May 3, 2010 at 9:43 AM
According to my Leo buds in NY it was a damn close call.. Minute from fireball.
katy the mean old lady on May 3, 2010 at 9:45 AM
Sometimes, I can’t tell whether people here are being sarcastic or not.
YYZ on May 3, 2010 at 9:46 AM
Brilliant satire.
crr6 on May 3, 2010 at 9:47 AM
Poor Trolls. Your idol has his jokes written by Daily Show writers for his appointment for adoration. Two bombs, in Pittsburgh and NYC, are foiled by the Grace of God, and then Scooter finally arrives at the disaster scene on the Gulf Coast, 11 days after the Disaster began. And you’re left trying to feebly defend this incompetance. I feel sorry for you.
kingsjester on May 3, 2010 at 9:52 AM
Of course it was the classic Left default mockery target, an angry, middle-aged white guy, his name is probably something like Norm Whitstone.
Except now he goes by something like Abdullah Ali Al-Pussimi.
Doorgunner on May 3, 2010 at 9:52 AM
I didn’t know that and not taking your word I searched for it and sure enough it does seem like they are being deployed.
Very strange to say the least.
As far as CBS staging something; I’m inclined to say that all we see is a guy taking off his outer shirt on a warm night. How they connect it to the bomb attempt is the interesting part. The fact he looked down the street or turned around to take it off is pretty meaningless. He positioned the bag between himself and the pole which is something I would have done to help prevent the bag from getting snatched during the couple of seconds I was blind. Maybe he just noticed an SUV smoking down the street a ways.
The oil rig thing is interesting for sure.
Ragamuffin on May 3, 2010 at 9:52 AM
With reportedly firecrackers and non-explosive fertilizer blends? WHoever did this doesnt know our store fertilizers are coated so they can’t be used in such a fashion?
eh, well sorry for the oil rant for now folks. I am trying to figure how the oil rig ‘exploded’ though. Things that explode when they shouldnt, and things that were to explode that didnt, are just in the news these days, ya know?
johnnyU on May 3, 2010 at 10:00 AM
I didn’t know that, and I have a bit of a mad-scientist bent myself. Thanks for the heads-up.
Dark-Star on May 3, 2010 at 10:04 AM
Propane explodes.
katy the mean old lady on May 3, 2010 at 10:09 AM
The other things point to some sort of vapor cloud to ignite. Maybe he was going after the dust explosion angle to add to the gas cloud/propane cloud explosion. All in all it doesn’t seem like it was a smart attempt. I’m not saying that it wasn’t dangerous or couldn’t hurt anyone but rather that the methods employed wouldn’t have done as much damage as maybe hoped.
Ragamuffin on May 3, 2010 at 10:14 AM
Only if the safety systems are bypassed and even then it has to get pretty hot to do so. It would not have been a push the button and it explodes type of bomb but rather a car burning for 10 or 15 minutes before exploding type of thing. Just last week the Myth Busters show had stuff about exploding propane tanks and they had to jump though a few hoops to get them to explode and even then it took a few minutes in a very hot fire. Would this thing have cause damage? Absolutely but death and injury only to those stupid enough to be standing within 20 or 30 feet of the intensely burning car which in and of itself is not a very smart thing to do.
Ragamuffin on May 3, 2010 at 10:21 AM
Oh, puh-leeze.
You folks on the Left base your entire “opinion” of Palin’s total intelligence on two tiny sound bites? I can see brain-dead Jon Stewart or The View people doing that, but I figured you HA trolls to be slightly more intelligent. I can see I was in error.
Quick question: is your “Vice President” Uncle Joe also an idiot based on the sound bite of him telling a paralyzed man in a wheelchair to “stand up”?
Del Dolemonte on May 3, 2010 at 10:30 AM
so at best, its probably a city boy with access to an ACE hardware store who doesnt get much opportunity to test his ideas. He is even more of an idiot because a real terrorist blows HIMSELF up too. This one didnt and wasn’t poised to. Should be easy to figure out if they can get hardware store video as quick as they did that diner video.
johnnyU on May 3, 2010 at 10:37 AM
Yeah. Joe Biden is pretty dumb.
crr6 on May 3, 2010 at 10:39 AM
The coulda-carbomber looks like a publicity set-up distraction to measure the public response.
maverick muse on May 3, 2010 at 10:49 AM
True. If he had an IQ above 100 it would sting everyday to know you were only picked as VP for an insurance policy against those who might think about doing harm to the President. With Biden and Pelosi as understudies, O’s pretty safe from that sort of threat.
wordsmithy2009 on May 3, 2010 at 11:08 AM
I hope they throw the book at that idiot bomber.
Ward Cleaver on May 3, 2010 at 11:13 AM
Just a matter of time before they catch whoever is behind
this.
Fires1 on May 3, 2010 at 11:32 AM
So anyone who visits Times Square is a moron?
katy the mean old lady on May 3, 2010 at 11:44 AM
Saw this comment, here: http://tiny.cc/16hjk
So it wasn’t, if this comment is accurate, “non-explosive fertilizer” but fertilizer which had not been mixed with fuel to become highly explosive.
WHat is the real story on the volatility of fertilizers? Does anyone on here know?
Where did all the smoke come from? Just the fire crackers? KNO3, I saw, is marketed as “non-volatile” but is used in pipe and smoke bombs.
SarahW on May 3, 2010 at 12:02 PM
Where exactly in that comment of 10:21 AM do I even infer that people visiting Times Square are morons?
Are you really trying to live up to your nic?
Forget it. I’ll not reply to any comment you make. You have completely discredited yourself with that reply to my 10:21am reply. I do not and will not play your game.
Ragamuffin on May 3, 2010 at 12:17 PM
Granular fertilizers of this type aren’t volatile in the sense you are describing. They release oxygen upon heating with an initiator which causes excessive molecular movement and contact with other molecules which causes a chain reaction of more oxygen release. The rate of this molecular movement and oxygen release drives the efficiency of the explosion when a flammable substance(like diesel) is available.
a capella on May 3, 2010 at 12:20 PM
Hey, I thought they weren’t supposed to be doing racial profiling!
Imagine the hoots and hollers from the left if they would have said a black man or an arab-looking man.
albill on May 3, 2010 at 12:23 PM
So you admit that a totally hypocritical double standard for Vice Presidential candidates exists? How Democrat of you.
Del Dolemonte on May 3, 2010 at 12:31 PM
Limbaugh just asked a great question-how was this SUV loaded with this stuff able to get into NYC in the first place?
Del Dolemonte on May 3, 2010 at 12:34 PM
Don’t worry, y’all. Scooter is on this. He’s relentless.
kingsjester on May 3, 2010 at 12:37 PM
A good description of the contents and how they were placed…
Deanna on May 3, 2010 at 12:38 PM
What’s the double standard. They’re both dumb. Sure, Palin is dumber, but there’s no denying Biden is a hapless goofball.
crr6 on May 3, 2010 at 12:41 PM
A big city like that must have a thousand different roads leading into it; the police are far too outnumbered to catch every suspicious-looking vehicle. He might have either snuck in via back roads and alleys, or just done the old ‘hide in a herd’ trick.
Dark-Star on May 3, 2010 at 12:43 PM
KNO3 Potassium nitrate also known as saltpeter and is used in fireworks and fertilizers. It is an oxidizer and therefore serves the same purpose as ammonium nitrate.
It the case of our bomber I believe he would have had to mix the fertilizer and gasoline to make it effective. Then again I could be wrong as bomb construction is not one of my talents.
Ragamuffin on May 3, 2010 at 12:43 PM
Seconded. That man makes Obama actually look smart by comparison.
Dark-Star on May 3, 2010 at 12:43 PM
It was some gas cans and gas grill propane tanks. I’d bet there are hundreds of cars driving in and out of the city with the same as people need to power their grills and run their lawn mowers.
Ragamuffin on May 3, 2010 at 12:46 PM
Wow if that is accurate it kind of sounds like this guy really didn’t have a clue or it was an elaborate hoax gone bad or a test of the emergency services. I’m betting a test to see how people and emergency services would react. It could also be a way to condition folks into thinking bombers are idiots and it’s not worth watching for suspicious activity.
Ragamuffin on May 3, 2010 at 12:52 PM
Well gee whiz, it’s not like its Arizona where you have to show papers and stuff, just to get in.
Lily on May 3, 2010 at 12:54 PM
Yeah, the island of Manhattan has THOUSANDS of roads leading into it!
ROTFLMAO
Al in St. Lou on May 3, 2010 at 2:06 PM
lol. Sure Rag sure. I don’t remove tree stumps like grandpa used to do, either.
The magic word here is ‘detonation’ by the way. Perhaps what was built was destined to explode but like North Korea, they dont know how to detonate anything. I’m just a greeting card salesman so I don’t know much.
johnnyU on May 3, 2010 at 2:07 PM
Works for me. Read your oomment again.
katy the mean old lady on May 3, 2010 at 2:08 PM
I just have to say, this is Times Square, NYC. There are plenty of nutbags walking around at any given moment, taking their shirts off, looking around “furtively”…
I don’t think this schmuck on the video has anything at all to do with the bomb. Just my opinion.
But I do think this was a trial run to gauge first responder reaction. Think the IRA in the 80′s. Next time a small bomb will go off, drawing in all the responders and then…nighty night.
russcote on May 3, 2010 at 2:11 PM
I’m not playing a game. I stated my opinion.
You are the one who is engaged in tit-for-tat. You spill a litany of Obama-quotes as if I support Obama. I think Obama is more intelligent than Palin, much more. But that doesn’t mean I agree with him.
That’s the problem with you Nistas. You mouth-breathers think that to refute Palin is to cast of conservative thought altogether. Puh-leeez.
Let me ask you something. Would you want your kids to mimic Palin’s educational experience?
The Race Card on May 3, 2010 at 2:16 PM
good point
cmsinaz on May 3, 2010 at 2:23 PM
Yes, I admire people who have common sense.
katy the mean old lady on May 3, 2010 at 2:34 PM
Call me crazy but I’m finding very suspicious all this stuff.
Falz on May 3, 2010 at 2:38 PM
Thanks. I really do think that the terrorists are ten steps ahead of us in matters of counter-insurgency. I think they’re working on ways to hit us that we haven’t even imagined yet. Granted the little bomb/big bomb tactic isn’t new, but does anyone believe that terrorists wouldn’t recycle it if they could use it to maximize civilian casualties after witnessing exactly how the NYPD and other agencies would respond?
I really do fear for people’s lives this summer.
russcote on May 3, 2010 at 2:41 PM
And Obama on his comments?
Johan Klaus on May 3, 2010 at 3:20 PM
Did you have to show papers to “get in”? And everyone has to show papers coming from Mexico into any border state, even California.
Johan Klaus on May 3, 2010 at 3:27 PM
LOOSE LIPS … If terrorists build bombs using the wrong ingredients, should we tell them how they can improve their recipe!?
kregg on May 3, 2010 at 4:47 PM
When better recipes and designs are literally only a Google search away, what does it matter?
Dark-Star on May 3, 2010 at 5:01 PM
Coming into California through the eastern border you can be stopped for a produce check. Do you hear any uproar about checking the identity of fruits? California is full of anti-citrites.
wordsmithy2009 on May 3, 2010 at 6:26 PM
They could have built more than one bomb … right?
kregg on May 3, 2010 at 6:29 PM
No it wouldn’t have worked if it were wet (at lest any homemade stuff I know about).
Potassium nitrate is an oxidizer, and that is what it is used for in.
Gunpowder, Black powder is made of Charcoal, Potassium nitrate and sulfur.
Black powder won’t “ignite if wet”. (Keep your powder dry!)
Yes it is used in smoke bombs, Potassium nitrate and sugar.
Sugar can be used to replace Charcoal in homemade “gunpowder” and that is what the IRA used for some of their bombs.
As I read more about what was in there, they/he had the right components and ingredients to make several different types of bombs but somehow “Rube Goldberged” it into something that I can’t see as working.
Unless,
Possible scenario.
Maybe the plan was start a car fire.
Car on fire, NYFD and NYPD arrive on the seen.
As the car burns the Potassium nitrate in the box burns giving off Oxygen.
The increased Oxygen causes the fire to burn hotter.
A higher temperature in the car causes the sealed (no relief valve) propane cylinders to increases pressure.
The fire would also cause the 5 gal plastic gasoline cans to melt, adding more fuel till boom! The propane cylinders rupture causing a serious blast.
Still highly unlikely that would work, to many variables, if 1 window were broken pressure wouldn’t have built up in the car.
DSchoen on May 3, 2010 at 6:43 PM
Your stated judgment/opinion is based on ONE question that you didn’t even state what that question was.
If making a judgment on a person based on ONE question/Answer is valid and fair as you have stated, then lets apply this To Obama (or anyone).
That’s YOUR game, based on YOUR rules and yes, you lost.
Who is so shallow as to make such judgments?
“I think Obama is more intelligent than Palin, much more.”
Based on what? Can’t be on some answer to one question, as has been proven there is an endless list of stupid things that have come out of Obama’s mouth.
DSchoen on May 3, 2010 at 6:59 PM
According to a Fox report, the “fertilizer” was a sugar nitrate blend,
which I would guess is KNO3 + sugar http://tiny.cc/en258
SarahW on May 3, 2010 at 8:38 PM
People set off their model rockets with it, etc. http://tiny.cc/ovjb2
SarahW on May 3, 2010 at 8:39 PM
Apparently there is a product that you can buy at the home Depot that’s all KNO3. THere are bag fertilizers, too with KNO3 but they have impurities that mess with combustion.
SarahW on May 3, 2010 at 8:46 PM
Thank you for dragging me into this little spat…I appreciate it…I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt, but no more.
You are bitter, your site is sad, and yes, the ‘Free Zone’ will let anyone in and the admins ‘don’t give a da*n’…the fact that YOU are part of it shows that they will let any and all riff raff in.
HornetSting on May 3, 2010 at 11:24 PM
enough
you
thom and old woman katy need to start keeping your traps shut.
and thom, what you said to ladyingray was just beneath contempt.
blatantblue on May 3, 2010 at 11:43 PM
I’ll say when it’s enough.
HornetSting on May 3, 2010 at 11:48 PM
No, you need to keep your trap shut and your fingers away from the keyboard when posting drunk, you squishy fluffernutter.
CannedTomatoes on May 3, 2010 at 11:52 PM
Time to call out your infantry little one. You just stepped in a pile that’s way over your teensy weensy head.
katy on May 3, 2010 at 11:55 PM
Go ahead and explain to me the virtues in Thomasaur’s comment to Ladyingray.
You are free to explain, as well, Katy.
blatantblue on May 3, 2010 at 11:58 PM
Any day now.
blatantblue on May 4, 2010 at 12:00 AM
PLease explain to me why you’re stepping into something that doesn’t have your name on it? huh???
katy on May 4, 2010 at 12:00 AM
I mean, I really am looking for the redeeming qualities in a comment such as this:
So, any help would be greatly appreciated.
;]
blatantblue on May 4, 2010 at 12:00 AM
Waiting….
katy on May 4, 2010 at 12:01 AM
Explain to me the virtues in the comment.
Can’t?
blatantblue on May 4, 2010 at 12:01 AM
Here’s your answer.
I like Ladyingray, and Thomasaur’s comment was truly beneath contempt and over the top.
Not that you would know anything about being over the top.
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blatantblue on May 4, 2010 at 12:02 AM
BB! I asked you a question and you can’t answer it. I am not here defending anyone but me. You brought up my name a few posts up and I’m here to find out what’s up your butt!
Now explain little one.
katy on May 4, 2010 at 12:03 AM
So, since I gave you the courtesy of a response to your useless inquiry, how about some reciprocal behavior?
Explain to me the virtues in Thomasaur’s vile rhetorical salvo.
You can’t. There are no redeeming qualities to it, but you’ll defend it in a roundabout way.
blatantblue on May 4, 2010 at 12:03 AM
Check before you post.
blatantblue on May 4, 2010 at 12:03 AM
Not an explaination.
Why did you bring me up?
katy on May 4, 2010 at 12:05 AM
Waiting…
katy on May 4, 2010 at 12:06 AM
What’s the problem, did the truth hurt your little hag friend?
Too bad! Now go back and play with your evil friends who find such pleasure in tearing others down for sport, or that other pervert you like to play with who doesn’t quite know what gender he wants to be.
CannedTomatoes on May 4, 2010 at 12:06 AM
Your ability to remember things is seriously lacking.
blatantblue on May 4, 2010 at 12:06 AM
Can’t defend a vile comment. I know it’s hard.
blatantblue on May 4, 2010 at 12:07 AM
What exactly is wrong with this statement little one?
katy on May 4, 2010 at 12:07 AM
Ray implied the comment was abusive.
You said it wasn’t.
Stop playing dumb. You may be classless, but you aren’t stupid.
blatantblue on May 4, 2010 at 12:09 AM
What did i write that was inaccurate little one?
katy on May 4, 2010 at 12:10 AM
Give up?
katy on May 4, 2010 at 12:11 AM
Your games aren’t amusing.
You didn’t have to say anything to ray. Instead, you defended Thom’s comment. That is poor form.
Then again, you’re the one who continually makes it personal, so, who am I kidding?
Goodnight, ya ignoramus. Take two aspirin and call me in the morning.
blatantblue on May 4, 2010 at 12:11 AM
You’re losing your edge little one…
Still waiting..
katy on May 4, 2010 at 12:13 AM
Really? I make it personal?
katy on May 4, 2010 at 12:18 AM
Good night fluffy squishy RINO
CannedTomatoes on May 4, 2010 at 12:18 AM
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