Open thread: Shameless careerist ready to “fight the machine” or something

posted at 4:52 pm on April 29, 2010 by Allahpundit

Coming at 5 p.m. ET to a cable network near you, Charlie Crist explains the deep, principled opposition to our decadent two-party system that he suddenly developed, like, two weeks ago. How cynically repulsive is this party switch? Repulsive enough to have David Frum suddenly waving the banner of tea-party darling Marco Rubio. No foolin’:

The center right has got to hold together. We cannot afford more NY-23s. In all but the most extreme circumstances, the rule has to be that those who participate in a party contest abide by the results of that process. It’s one thing if the race is Lieberman v. Lamont, and what’s at issue is success or failure in war. I used that comparison in a tweet today, but it does not stand up to scrutiny: the differences between Crist and Rubio are much more differences in tone, temperament, and personality. Had Crist prevailed in the Florida Republican primary, he would have had every valid reason to expect Rubio to support the outcome. The reverse should have held true.

Top Republicans are naturally demanding their money back from Crist today; true to venal form, he’s returning donations pro-rated. Why do that given the bad press it’s going to stir up for him? Because he has no choice. The well is running dry:

[O]ne Florida source with knowledge of the Republican money game argued that Crist is badly underestimating the number of refunds that will be asked for/demanded. If it’s $1 million then Crist can weather it; if it’s $3 million (or more) that is a problem. The other piece of the money puzzle for Crist is how he can raise enough money — in addition to what he has already collected — to be competitive in such a pricey state in which to run for office. Crist will undoubtedly keep some of his closest money men (and women) but we are talking about a $15 million plus endeavor for a serious general election campaign and it’s not yet clear how he can get to that number. It’s also worth remembering that Crist has never in his political career had to worry about being outspent; he had been, until very recently, one of the pre-eminent fundraisers in the GOP.

The other question o’ the day is whether he can win. Larry Sabato thinks he’s got a slim chance, but check the math in this post by Ben Smith. To have a credible shot, he needs 35 percent of Republicans and 30 percent of Democrats, which almost certainly isn’t happening. Which brings me to Jay Cost’s spot-on analysis on why Crist is simply insane to run this year instead of cooling off and trying again in 2012. Some of it overlaps with things I’ve been saying lately, but the point about strategic voting bears quoting:

Remember the New Jersey governor’s race? Independent Christopher Daggett was polling at 10%, but only got 5.8% on Election Day. There’s a reason for that. American elections are winner take all, which makes it very difficult for third parties to thrive. Once voters catch wind that a vote for a third party candidate is a waste, they’ll bail on that candidate. This suggests that Crist is going to have to “defeat” either Marco Rubio or Kendrick Meek prior to Election Day. Now, how do you suppose he’s going to do that? He hasn’t been able to defeat Rubio yet. That means he will have to nullify Meek. I’m skeptical he’ll be able to do that. As an African American, Meek can expect strong support from the roughly 14% of the electorate that is black. That’s one big problem. Another big problem is that Crist will first have to get the Democratic Party establishment to get behind him, and the White House is refusing to take his calls. With good reason. They’re banking that Crist will siphon off just enough votes from Rubio to elect Meek. And anyway, with Roland Burris leaving the upper chamber next year, there might not be a single African American Senator in the 112th Congress. Can the Democratic establishment really turn its back on Meek – for Charlie Crist of all people? No way!

Independent candidates simply don’t win true three-way elections, and cynical, careerist, opportunistic, lying candidates really don’t win in a political climate like 2010. This guy is virtually the antithesis of the tea-party ethos — ironically, given the media blather about tea partiers embracing third parties — and yet he’s betting his political future that he can overcome it all and squeak through. I’ll give him this: He’s got balls. But not much else. Stand by for video.

Update: MSNBC’s got a live feed. Commenters are telling me the presser’s been pushed back to 5:30.

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taney71 on April 29, 2010 at 5:46 PM

Look at all of the Kendrick Meek voters.

Abby Adams on April 29, 2010 at 5:46 PM

“I didn’t know you were a Democrat.”

And that’s your problem, Charlie.

Enoxo on April 29, 2010 at 5:46 PM

Crist pulls a Leinenkugel – says he didn’t know his biggest Dem supporter was a Dem.

steveegg on April 29, 2010 at 5:46 PM

Lot’s of teacher union folks behind Crist. I wonder why?!?!?

taney71 on April 29, 2010 at 5:46 PM

Get to the point people… this is becoing drama queeen like.

upinak on April 29, 2010 at 5:47 PM

Nothing on the boob tube yet.

Knucklehead on April 29, 2010 at 5:47 PM

This guy is insufferable.

Abby Adams on April 29, 2010 at 5:47 PM

They’re setting up the Indie announcement now. A Democrat is advocating for Crist as a fighter for the people.

amerpundit on April 29, 2010 at 5:47 PM

Registered Democrat doesn’t mean a thing!!

No Sh*t Sherlock!!

And,a lot of ANGRY PEOPLE,nice Lefty Narrative!!!

canopfor on April 29, 2010 at 5:47 PM

Crist pulls a Leinenkugel – says he didn’t know his biggest Dem supporter was a Dem.

steveegg on April 29, 2010 at 5:46 PM

Yeah that was silly.

terryannonline on April 29, 2010 at 5:47 PM

Ear splitting.

DrStock on April 29, 2010 at 5:47 PM

Did he see his shadow?

Kensington on April 29, 2010 at 5:44 PM

LMAO!!!!

speed911 on April 29, 2010 at 5:47 PM

Good time Charlie who was the life of the party becomes Bernie of Weekend at Bernie’s shifting his positions more than Bernie’s locations in the movie.

technopeasant on April 29, 2010 at 5:48 PM

Compromise,adding insult to injury!!

NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on April 29, 2010 at 5:48 PM

Hug Obama’s dog? WTF

Joe Caps on April 29, 2010 at 5:48 PM

We need to come together, he votes his conscious, cross party lines….

amerpundit on April 29, 2010 at 5:48 PM

Votes his conscience? I call BS!

taney71 on April 29, 2010 at 5:48 PM

OMG Sharpton !!! WTF!

upinak on April 29, 2010 at 5:49 PM

“yo christmas toast!”

Luffle on April 29, 2010 at 5:49 PM

“Run. Charlie. Run.”

Isn’t he already running?

Abby Adams on April 29, 2010 at 5:49 PM

Come together for GROUP DESTRUCTION OF AMERICA!!

Pass the KOOL_AID brother!!

canopfor on April 29, 2010 at 5:49 PM

I note that Dem didn’t offer to hug Bush (or Reagan, or Ford, or Nixon, or probably even Eisenhower).

steveegg on April 29, 2010 at 5:49 PM

Funny how self serving, cynical, careerist pols only show ‘balls’ when it is self serving and cynical. Any other time their stones are more like dumplings.

WARNING! MCCAIN HATE ALERT: On the plus side, here’s another McCainesque Republican doing what those types always do. Stab the GOP in the back. Lesson: never trust or vote for a McCain Republican.

JimP on April 29, 2010 at 5:49 PM

Second supporter saying this is the “same Charlie” as before.

Except, you know, he’s flip-flopped on his party identification, dumbass.

amerpundit on April 29, 2010 at 5:49 PM

This is the same Charlie Crist who said no way he was running as anything but a Republican.

AUINSC on April 29, 2010 at 5:50 PM

All is not lost for Charlie Crist as it is rumored that Charles Johnson will soon throw his and his lizard army’s full support behind Charlie Crist’s valiant attempt to save America from itself.

MB4 on April 29, 2010 at 5:50 PM

This is lamer than the dancing at the 2008 GOP convention.

And as someone else said on the last page, look at all the Kendrick Meek voters.

fiatboomer on April 29, 2010 at 5:50 PM

Same Ol’ good Ole`boy Charlie!!

Pass the KOOL_AID!!!

canopfor on April 29, 2010 at 5:50 PM

“We know what he has done. We know his record…”

And that’s why he’s failing miserably.

Enoxo on April 29, 2010 at 5:50 PM

Charlie Christ has convictions ?

Then let him serve time !

William Amos on April 29, 2010 at 5:50 PM

MB4.. LOL

sandee on April 29, 2010 at 5:50 PM

The SAME Charlie Crist…same Republican…same Independent…

MadisonConservative on April 29, 2010 at 5:50 PM

“He does not say ‘for the party’, he says for the people.”

amerpundit on April 29, 2010 at 5:51 PM

Unneeded.

Enoxo on April 29, 2010 at 5:30 PM

Agreed

terryannonline on April 29, 2010 at 5:31 PM

Spoilsports.

TheUnrepentantGeek on April 29, 2010 at 5:51 PM

THE PEOPLE

ITS WE THE PEOPLE, IDIOTS!!!!!

canopfor on April 29, 2010 at 5:51 PM

All is not lost for Charlie Crist as it is rumored that Charles Johnson will soon throw his and his lizard army’s full support behind Charlie Crist’s valiant attempt to save America from itself.

MB4 on April 29, 2010 at 5:50 PM

They’ll have to move the Lizard People from Minnesota first.

steveegg on April 29, 2010 at 5:51 PM

Charlie you are stalling

upinak on April 29, 2010 at 5:51 PM

This has already gone on far too long…

Gee, I wonder what he’s going to announce?

AUINSC on April 29, 2010 at 5:51 PM

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!JUDAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DARK SIDE IMMEMENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on April 29, 2010 at 5:51 PM

Why are they saying Charlie is the same? Did he have a sex change? What happened? Oh, he switches parties for political reasons.

taney71 on April 29, 2010 at 5:52 PM

YEAH MAN!

Joe Caps on April 29, 2010 at 5:52 PM

And as someone else said on the last page, look at all the Kendrick Meek voters.

fiatboomer on April 29, 2010 at 5:50 PM

My creditz is needed.

Abby Adams on April 29, 2010 at 5:52 PM

Yeah, MAN!

lolololz

hoosiermama on April 29, 2010 at 5:52 PM

CHRIST———————-AWOL!!!!!!

canopfor on April 29, 2010 at 5:42 PM

Uh, given the fact that CHRIST IS ON THE CROSS dying for YOUR SINS, he IS UNABLE TO FACEPALM at the moment as a result of your post.

Charlie Crist? On his way to Purgatory as we speak….

victor82 on April 29, 2010 at 5:52 PM

…closest money men…

Had to read that twice. I thought AP was making a “closet” joke.

Kevin71 on April 29, 2010 at 5:52 PM

All is not lost for Charlie Crist as it is rumored that Charles Johnson will soon throw his and his lizard army’s full support behind Charlie Crist’s valiant attempt to save America from itself.

MB4 on April 29, 2010 at 5:50 PM

That’s always bothered me…that the LGF’ers are Crist fans…I can’t stand CJ and his gaggle of lemmings.

JetBoy on April 29, 2010 at 5:52 PM

WHy do I feel like I am watching a Obama 2008 convention?

upinak on April 29, 2010 at 5:52 PM

They’ll have to move the Lizard People from Minnesota first.

Land of the Lost ?

William Amos on April 29, 2010 at 5:52 PM

Who thinks he’s gonna announce he’s running as a Dem and Meeks is out?

Marybeth on April 29, 2010 at 5:52 PM

“Move over Marco and let the mighty charlie pass…”

Uh, no?

Enoxo on April 29, 2010 at 5:52 PM

Where’s the MSDNC cameraman to pump up the volume of the chants.

steveegg on April 29, 2010 at 5:52 PM

Wow, what an inspiring chant…he’ll go places now.

AUINSC on April 29, 2010 at 5:52 PM

I’m sorta enjoying this. It isn’t often one gets to watch virtual seppuku where the main actor thinks he’s coming out alive.

a capella on April 29, 2010 at 5:52 PM

FIRED UP

READY TO GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on April 29, 2010 at 5:52 PM

Stupid. Rubio beat Crist in the primary so he leaves it.

taney71 on April 29, 2010 at 5:52 PM

WHy do I feel like I am watching a Obama 2008 convention?

Its more like Obama’s 2012 convention at the rate the Dems are going

William Amos on April 29, 2010 at 5:53 PM

I agree with you Charlie, Watson is an unbelievable human being.

portlandon on April 29, 2010 at 5:53 PM

Oh,priceless,he mentioned GOD!!

canopfor on April 29, 2010 at 5:53 PM

I thank God your campaign has gone down the toilet.

Emily M. on April 29, 2010 at 5:53 PM

Crist: I’m going Independent.

amerpundit on April 29, 2010 at 5:53 PM

Charlie Crist just thanked God….Charles Johnson’s head is going to explode.

terryannonline on April 29, 2010 at 5:53 PM

Charles Johnson expected to soon announce that he has just painted his entire body orange in a show of solidarity with Charlie Crist. Any commenter on LGF who does not also paint his entire body orange can figure on being banned.

MB4 on April 29, 2010 at 5:53 PM

Charlie just confirmed it… he’s an independent.

Your turn, Jetboy.

Enoxo on April 29, 2010 at 5:53 PM

That was his anouncement!?!?? There wasn’t even a soundbyte!!!

Abby Adams on April 29, 2010 at 5:53 PM

All is not lost for Charlie Crist as it is rumored that Charles Johnson will soon throw his and his lizard army’s full support behind Charlie Crist’s valiant attempt to save America from itself.

MB4 on April 29, 2010 at 5:50 PM

I was once a lizard…..got banned :-) I have a badge and a certificate.

speed911 on April 29, 2010 at 5:53 PM

Blah, crap is coming out his mouth and no one believes him.

taney71 on April 29, 2010 at 5:54 PM

The political system is broken says charlie

Joe Caps on April 29, 2010 at 5:54 PM

He just said his decision to run for Senate without party affiliation.

MadisonConservative on April 29, 2010 at 5:54 PM

I love you guys!!!

I have not had to turn on my TV in months cause i just come here and let you all tell me what is going on with more humor and insight than all the TV talking heads combined.

Elizabetty on April 29, 2010 at 5:54 PM

Notice Charlie is wearing a BLUE tie.

portlandon on April 29, 2010 at 5:54 PM

Parse time – “I’ve tried every day to put the people of the government of Florida first.”

steveegg on April 29, 2010 at 5:54 PM

That’s right Charlie, nothing says ‘public service’ like lying and betraying your party to stay in office.

AUINSC on April 29, 2010 at 5:54 PM

So long, loser Charlie.

Greg Q on April 29, 2010 at 5:54 PM

I didn’t get banned from LGF… I merely politely requested that Chuckles remove my registration. Never checked to see if he did or not.

Red Cloud on April 29, 2010 at 5:54 PM

Charles Johnson’s head is going to explode.

terryannonline on April 29, 2010 at 5:53 PM

Charles who?

Midas on April 29, 2010 at 5:55 PM

I was once a lizard…..got banned :-) I have a badge and a certificate.

speed911 on April 29, 2010 at 5:53 PM

I didn’t even get my t-shirt.

steveegg on April 29, 2010 at 5:55 PM

My creditz is needed.

Abby Adams on April 29, 2010 at 5:52 PM

Sorry. I was too lazy to click back to page 2 of the comments to see who posted it. ;>

I thought it was too clever to be left abandoned at the end of the page…

fiatboomer on April 29, 2010 at 5:55 PM

I thank God your campaign has gone down the toilet.

Emily M. on April 29, 2010 at 5:53 PM

Emily M: Welcome aboard Emily,I hope your schooling is going A-Okay!:)

canopfor on April 29, 2010 at 5:55 PM

“I’m doing it all for you.”

AUINSC on April 29, 2010 at 5:55 PM

Donated a small amount to Rubio yesterday. We should all bombard Marco with donations. That would really be embarrassing for Mr. Orange.

sandee on April 29, 2010 at 5:55 PM

People first.

Yeah right Charlie.

portlandon on April 29, 2010 at 5:55 PM

Easy bake oven

DrStock on April 29, 2010 at 5:55 PM

Wow, this guy is shameless.

Matticus Finch on April 29, 2010 at 5:56 PM

Resign now Governor and run full time against the Black and Latino candidates.

meci on April 29, 2010 at 5:56 PM

Parse time – “I’ve tried every day to put the people of the government of Florida first.”

steveegg on April 29, 2010 at 5:54 PM

Yeah, his running independent is all about listening to the votes who are overwhelmingly voting Rubio or Meek…

Skywise on April 29, 2010 at 5:56 PM

He just said his decision to run for Senate without party affiliation.

MadisonConservative on April 29, 2010 at 5:54 PM

AND . . . our local talk show host nailed that a week ago that’s EXACTLY what he would say

Marybeth on April 29, 2010 at 5:56 PM

Did he just say Sonet?

upinak on April 29, 2010 at 5:56 PM

Charlie Crist just thanked God….Charles Johnson’s head is going to explode.

terryannonline on April 29, 2010 at 5:53 PM

Charlie Crist’s minister has reportedly told him that God will soon turn the Gulf of Mexico orange to show his support for Saint Charlie.

MB4 on April 29, 2010 at 5:56 PM

I think,he`s hit every Liberal Talk`n Points!!!!

canopfor on April 29, 2010 at 5:56 PM

huh? is he for or against offshore drilling?

Joe Caps on April 29, 2010 at 5:56 PM

He’s running for “you”. “Doing what’s right for the people.”

Does Crist actually believe what he is saying? The guy has basically ran for office more than actually perform the duties of the office he has.

taney71 on April 29, 2010 at 5:56 PM

Okay, I turned him off… can’t stand him.

Enoxo on April 29, 2010 at 5:56 PM

He just said

“My Friends…”

mavericky.

portlandon on April 29, 2010 at 5:57 PM

Club of clubs

DrStock on April 29, 2010 at 5:57 PM

huh? is he for or against offshore drilling?

Joe Caps on April 29, 2010 at 5:56 PM

against

upinak on April 29, 2010 at 5:57 PM

Well, I’ve had enough.

Don’t forget…help me out and click my name there and vote on what I should do in the poll.

I’m gettin’ drunk tonight.

JetBoy on April 29, 2010 at 5:57 PM

fiatboomer on April 29, 2010 at 5:55 PM

:-)

I just think it’s funny that a good chunk of these people are going to vote Democrat. Like they always do. And always will.

And Crist thinks he’s going to swing their vote? Like AP says… balls, but not much else.

Abby Adams on April 29, 2010 at 5:57 PM

He sounds like Specter. “It’s your decision to make. Not one club or another.”

taney71 on April 29, 2010 at 5:57 PM

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