Open thread: Shameless careerist ready to “fight the machine” or something

posted at 4:52 pm on April 29, 2010 by Allahpundit

Coming at 5 p.m. ET to a cable network near you, Charlie Crist explains the deep, principled opposition to our decadent two-party system that he suddenly developed, like, two weeks ago. How cynically repulsive is this party switch? Repulsive enough to have David Frum suddenly waving the banner of tea-party darling Marco Rubio. No foolin’:

The center right has got to hold together. We cannot afford more NY-23s. In all but the most extreme circumstances, the rule has to be that those who participate in a party contest abide by the results of that process. It’s one thing if the race is Lieberman v. Lamont, and what’s at issue is success or failure in war. I used that comparison in a tweet today, but it does not stand up to scrutiny: the differences between Crist and Rubio are much more differences in tone, temperament, and personality. Had Crist prevailed in the Florida Republican primary, he would have had every valid reason to expect Rubio to support the outcome. The reverse should have held true.

Top Republicans are naturally demanding their money back from Crist today; true to venal form, he’s returning donations pro-rated. Why do that given the bad press it’s going to stir up for him? Because he has no choice. The well is running dry:

[O]ne Florida source with knowledge of the Republican money game argued that Crist is badly underestimating the number of refunds that will be asked for/demanded. If it’s $1 million then Crist can weather it; if it’s $3 million (or more) that is a problem. The other piece of the money puzzle for Crist is how he can raise enough money — in addition to what he has already collected — to be competitive in such a pricey state in which to run for office. Crist will undoubtedly keep some of his closest money men (and women) but we are talking about a $15 million plus endeavor for a serious general election campaign and it’s not yet clear how he can get to that number. It’s also worth remembering that Crist has never in his political career had to worry about being outspent; he had been, until very recently, one of the pre-eminent fundraisers in the GOP.

The other question o’ the day is whether he can win. Larry Sabato thinks he’s got a slim chance, but check the math in this post by Ben Smith. To have a credible shot, he needs 35 percent of Republicans and 30 percent of Democrats, which almost certainly isn’t happening. Which brings me to Jay Cost’s spot-on analysis on why Crist is simply insane to run this year instead of cooling off and trying again in 2012. Some of it overlaps with things I’ve been saying lately, but the point about strategic voting bears quoting:

Remember the New Jersey governor’s race? Independent Christopher Daggett was polling at 10%, but only got 5.8% on Election Day. There’s a reason for that. American elections are winner take all, which makes it very difficult for third parties to thrive. Once voters catch wind that a vote for a third party candidate is a waste, they’ll bail on that candidate. This suggests that Crist is going to have to “defeat” either Marco Rubio or Kendrick Meek prior to Election Day. Now, how do you suppose he’s going to do that? He hasn’t been able to defeat Rubio yet. That means he will have to nullify Meek. I’m skeptical he’ll be able to do that. As an African American, Meek can expect strong support from the roughly 14% of the electorate that is black. That’s one big problem. Another big problem is that Crist will first have to get the Democratic Party establishment to get behind him, and the White House is refusing to take his calls. With good reason. They’re banking that Crist will siphon off just enough votes from Rubio to elect Meek. And anyway, with Roland Burris leaving the upper chamber next year, there might not be a single African American Senator in the 112th Congress. Can the Democratic establishment really turn its back on Meek – for Charlie Crist of all people? No way!

Independent candidates simply don’t win true three-way elections, and cynical, careerist, opportunistic, lying candidates really don’t win in a political climate like 2010. This guy is virtually the antithesis of the tea-party ethos — ironically, given the media blather about tea partiers embracing third parties — and yet he’s betting his political future that he can overcome it all and squeak through. I’ll give him this: He’s got balls. But not much else. Stand by for video.

Update: MSNBC’s got a live feed. Commenters are telling me the presser’s been pushed back to 5:30.

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upinak on April 29, 2010 at 5:31 PM

WOW! Thanks, I will!

alohapundit on April 29, 2010 at 5:32 PM

What’s he gonna run on the anti-incumbent platform? Hello Charlie ,Rubio is is the non- incumbent. You baby are the career politician. Some “outsider.”

sandee on April 29, 2010 at 5:32 PM

Rule number 1: Never, ever, trust politicians. Not even ones you agree with. Not even Palin. Not even Reagan. Listen to them, and keep track of their actions. Give them your vote based on track records, not on misplaced trust.

MadisonConservative on April 29, 2010 at 5:30 PM

Rule number 2: When in doubt, refer to Rule Number 1.

steveegg on April 29, 2010 at 5:33 PM

“Sent me off to a foreign land
To go and kill the yellow man “

???

Abby Adams on April 29, 2010 at 5:33 PM

WOW! Thanks, I will!

alohapundit on April 29, 2010 at 5:32 PM

You can ask anyone here. I stand by MY word to help the troops. Hawk will vouch as will Cindy.

upinak on April 29, 2010 at 5:33 PM

Charlie Crist explains the deep, principled opposition to our decadent two-party system that he suddenly developed, like, two weeks ago.

Charlie Crist is no fun anymore.

How do you parody a man who is now beyond parody?

MB4 on April 29, 2010 at 5:33 PM

???

Abby Adams on April 29, 2010 at 5:33 PM

Crist is yellow when he doesn’t have his fake and bake going on.

upinak on April 29, 2010 at 5:34 PM

Charlie Crist is no fun anymore.

How do you parody a man who is now beyond parody?

MB4 on April 29, 2010 at 5:33 PM

Charlie and the Chocolate Facotry songs. Old School.

upinak on April 29, 2010 at 5:35 PM

upinak on April 29, 2010 at 5:33 PM

I never doubted you :P

alohapundit on April 29, 2010 at 5:35 PM

He’s 5 minutes late to his own politcal suicide.

AUINSC on April 29, 2010 at 5:35 PM

Crist stands along side with Hopey at their PERCIPICE
of the Political BlackHole where Political Light can
not escape!!!

canopfor on April 29, 2010 at 5:35 PM

Crist is yellow when he doesn’t have his fake and bake going on.

upinak on April 29, 2010 at 5:34 PM

That’s a low blow (keep ‘em coming ;-)

steveegg on April 29, 2010 at 5:35 PM

Why hasn’t he come on stage yet? Did he change his mind again?

terryannonline on April 29, 2010 at 5:35 PM

Charlie Crist is no fun anymore.

MB4 on April 29, 2010 at 5:33 PM

On the plus side, he knows how to carry a tune while mixing chocolate. That takes talent.

amerpundit on April 29, 2010 at 5:35 PM

I’ll give him this: He’s got balls. But not much else.

He’s got balls? I think he is demented. Even if he does have balls they are probably both orange.

MB4 on April 29, 2010 at 5:36 PM

This rube Charlie Crist’s defection could be placed directly at the feet of Jeb Bush. He groomed this phony to be his predecessor.

Bad Jeb, Bad!!!

portlandon on April 29, 2010 at 5:36 PM

Hey, Governor Oompa Loompa, you’re now 36 minutes late.

amerpundit on April 29, 2010 at 5:36 PM

He’s late. Second thoughts?

Joe Caps on April 29, 2010 at 5:36 PM

Even if he does have balls they are probably both orange.

MB4 on April 29, 2010 at 5:36 PM

No, thats butterscotch pudding.

portlandon on April 29, 2010 at 5:37 PM

LOL born in the USA in the background…..

Could it mean something? *snorts*

upinak on April 29, 2010 at 5:37 PM

Sent me off to a foreign land
To go and kill the yellow man “

Yeah Born in the USA is not a Song Christ should use

William Amos on April 29, 2010 at 5:37 PM

He’s 5 minutes late to his own politcal suicide.

AUINSC on April 29, 2010 at 5:35 PM

AUINSC: He’s still Free-Falling,Terminal-Velocity and all
that,

should here a THUD soon!!:)

canopfor on April 29, 2010 at 5:37 PM

I’ll give him this: He’s got balls. But not much else.

Those aren’t balls….

steveegg on April 29, 2010 at 5:37 PM

CNN’s live feed has “Born in the USA” looping in the background while the crowd cools their heels.

tree hugging sister on April 29, 2010 at 5:37 PM

So far, he hasn’t switched…yet…

Honestly, I gave him credit for having principles. that he would most certainly put the people before his own ego. And figured he’d be smart enough to know he cannot win as indy. And if he switches, I’ll be the first to call him “scum”. It’s a big BIG letdown. I don’t think I could trust another politician ever again.

JetBoy on April 29, 2010 at 5:28 PM

Yeah, the first mistake was trusting him. I’ve learned to always keep my guard up. Politicians are what they are for a reason, and principles often take a back seat.

changer1701 on April 29, 2010 at 5:37 PM

LMFAO Now a Freddy Mercury song. The hits keep coming.

upinak on April 29, 2010 at 5:37 PM

I just love how gullible HA commenters are. All these nice comments about poor little j-boy and how nice it was for him to show up.

You all don’t get it. With deviants, it’s all about the me syndrome, squared. Plus or minus? Irrelevant. Being in the room with the grownups? That’s the prize, regardless of price.

platypus on April 29, 2010 at 5:38 PM

We will, we will rock you!

Joe Caps on April 29, 2010 at 5:38 PM

Why hasn’t he come on stage yet? Did he change his mind again?

terryannonline on April 29, 2010 at 5:35 PM

I have friends in Florida who grabbed Crist and threw him into a van and sped off…

JetBoy on April 29, 2010 at 5:38 PM

Several “Democrats for Crist” signs…

Yeah… I have nothing really much to say to that.

Enoxo on April 29, 2010 at 5:38 PM

Cold feet?

clement on April 29, 2010 at 5:38 PM

And lots of “Teachers Love YOu” signs waving. He bought those votes fair and square.

tree hugging sister on April 29, 2010 at 5:38 PM

Musical message from Rubio -

You got mud on your face,
Big disgrace,
Somebody better put your bag into your place.

steveegg on April 29, 2010 at 5:38 PM

I have friends in Florida who grabbed Crist and threw him into a van and sped off…

JetBoy on April 29, 2010 at 5:38 PM

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

terryannonline on April 29, 2010 at 5:39 PM

I don’t think I could trust another politician ever again.

JetBoy on April 29, 2010 at 5:28 PM

Awwww, it’s always that first time.

But you know Palin wont stray for obama..

the_nile on April 29, 2010 at 5:39 PM

Late to his own funeral. WTF?

Knucklehead on April 29, 2010 at 5:39 PM

I have friends in Florida who grabbed Crist and threw him into a van and sped off…

JetBoy on April 29, 2010 at 5:38 PM

Were they Friends of JetBoy’s Colon?

heh

ted c on April 29, 2010 at 5:39 PM

Yeah Born in the USA is not a Song Christ should use

William Amos on April 29, 2010 at 5:37 PM

He was going to use “Springtime for Hitler” from The Producers but thought it was too campy.

amerpundit on April 29, 2010 at 5:39 PM

upinak on April 29, 2010 at 5:33 PM

Let me know, I’m in.

Cindy Munford on April 29, 2010 at 5:39 PM

LMFAO Now a Freddy Mercury song. The hits keep coming.

I almost thought it would be Bohemian Rhapsody

Gotta Bush Gotta Bush can you do the Fandango…

William Amos on April 29, 2010 at 5:39 PM

Is he going to say he has found a golden ticket in a wonka bar?

ted c on April 29, 2010 at 5:39 PM

My watch has him 39 minutes late and counting.

Ugh – Van Hagar.

steveegg on April 29, 2010 at 5:39 PM

Good God, politicians need new rally songs.

Abby Adams on April 29, 2010 at 5:40 PM

40 minutes late now, King of Loompaland.

amerpundit on April 29, 2010 at 5:40 PM

He is OOOONNNNN

upinak on April 29, 2010 at 5:40 PM

Well, those are good Democratic anthems all around eh?

tree hugging sister on April 29, 2010 at 5:40 PM

About to get started…

Enoxo on April 29, 2010 at 5:40 PM

The hits keep coming.

upinak on April 29, 2010 at 5:37 PM

LOL. Yeah. This is 2 songs away from being a 4th of July celebration.

portlandon on April 29, 2010 at 5:40 PM

UGH,there play’n the wrong Queen song!!
=======================================================

Queen – ‘Another One Bites the Dust’

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE

canopfor on April 29, 2010 at 5:40 PM

School marm trying to get the Charlie Crisp chants going…

steveegg on April 29, 2010 at 5:40 PM

If you have to ask for a chant…

Abby Adams on April 29, 2010 at 5:40 PM

and the crowd roars!!!!! lol

Joe Caps on April 29, 2010 at 5:40 PM

He was going to use “Springtime for Hitler” from The Producers but thought it was too campy.

Did he go with Springtime with Obama ?

William Amos on April 29, 2010 at 5:40 PM

They’re trying to get a “Charlie Crist!” chant going, but it’s rather lame.

Enoxo on April 29, 2010 at 5:41 PM

About 12 people chanting “Charlie Crist” now, as Willie Wonka’s right-hand man still waits in the wings. And now the 12 people have given up.

amerpundit on April 29, 2010 at 5:41 PM

Wow. They don’t sound THAT enthused.

charlie crist. charlie crist. charlie crist.

portlandon on April 29, 2010 at 5:41 PM

Well, in any event I hope Crist is enjoying the spotlight, because I doubt he’ll ever receive this much attention ever again.

This is it, Charlie, no matter what you do.

Kensington on April 29, 2010 at 5:41 PM

LMFAO Now a Freddy Mercury song. The hits keep coming.

upinak on April 29, 2010 at 5:37 PM

upinak: Yup:)

canopfor on April 29, 2010 at 5:42 PM

did i just hear someone say “find him?”

Joe Caps on April 29, 2010 at 5:42 PM

Again with the “crowd support.”

Abby Adams on April 29, 2010 at 5:42 PM

Oo, they’re attempting the chant again… nope, still lame.

Enoxo on April 29, 2010 at 5:42 PM

Warming the 12 people back up now. And there’s a bell for some reason.

This is rather pathetic.

amerpundit on April 29, 2010 at 5:42 PM

This is not an auspicious start.

AUINSC on April 29, 2010 at 5:42 PM

Yeah Born in the USA is not a Song Christ should use

William Amos on April 29, 2010 at 5:37 PM

Maybe it would be appropriate as Born in the USA is actually an anti-American song.

MB4 on April 29, 2010 at 5:42 PM

Were the spray on tanning booths busy today?

Knucklehead on April 29, 2010 at 5:42 PM

CHRIST———————-AWOL!!!!!!

canopfor on April 29, 2010 at 5:42 PM

And the 12 people are silent once more. They basically descended into about 4 different, equally pathetic chants near the end there.

amerpundit on April 29, 2010 at 5:43 PM

This is just sad. They are trying to chant but can’t get anyone to really do it.

taney71 on April 29, 2010 at 5:43 PM

Ooh, now they’ve shorten the chant to “Charlie.”

Nope, still lame.

Enoxo on April 29, 2010 at 5:43 PM

Was that Joe Biden chanting?

Abby Adams on April 29, 2010 at 5:43 PM

Evidence of how far in the tank the presstitutes are – the cameraman joined in the “Charlie” chant.

steveegg on April 29, 2010 at 5:44 PM

Wrong name,apologies,its Crist!

canopfor on April 29, 2010 at 5:44 PM

ROFL, wow, this is…eh…compelling.

Levinite on April 29, 2010 at 5:44 PM

And there he is.

Enoxo on April 29, 2010 at 5:44 PM

Lol. My lord this is pathetic.

taney71 on April 29, 2010 at 5:44 PM

I wonder if he’s just done this to fake everyone out and will instead endorse Rubio.

Luffle on April 29, 2010 at 5:44 PM

He emerges, finally!

Abby Adams on April 29, 2010 at 5:44 PM

We’re up to about 13 people now! And they still can’t chant properly.

amerpundit on April 29, 2010 at 5:44 PM

Oh, c’mon Charlie…get it over with already.

AUINSC on April 29, 2010 at 5:44 PM

The Oopma Loompa has arrived.

MadisonConservative on April 29, 2010 at 5:44 PM

“Light the candle brother!”

Joe Caps on April 29, 2010 at 5:44 PM

Did he see his shadow?

Kensington on April 29, 2010 at 5:44 PM

man this is sad for him

DanMan on April 29, 2010 at 5:44 PM

The applause when he finally appeared was Earth-shattering.

Levinite on April 29, 2010 at 5:45 PM

Charlie’s sista.

portlandon on April 29, 2010 at 5:45 PM

Hari-Kari immenent!

canopfor on April 29, 2010 at 5:45 PM

This is just sad.

taney71 on April 29, 2010 at 5:45 PM

Let me get this straight….Crist is holding a press conference complete with cheerleaders and kitchy musak to announce something that was announced days ago?

speed911 on April 29, 2010 at 5:45 PM

Born in the USA is actually an anti-American song, sung by a draft dodger.

MB4 on April 29, 2010 at 5:45 PM

And now the audio has died.

steveegg on April 29, 2010 at 5:45 PM

anybody else audio cut out?

Joe Caps on April 29, 2010 at 5:45 PM

*Crist*.

It’s “Crist”. No ‘h’ in it, for crist’s sake.

Midas on April 29, 2010 at 5:45 PM

Audo toast.

portlandon on April 29, 2010 at 5:46 PM

Get it together, MSNBC!

Abby Adams on April 29, 2010 at 5:46 PM

Turn off the audio!

Levinite on April 29, 2010 at 5:46 PM

Was that Joe Biden chanting?

Abby Adams on April 29, 2010 at 5:43 PM

“Charlie Christ ? Big F’n Deal !”

William Amos on April 29, 2010 at 5:46 PM

nybody else audio cut out?

Joe Caps on April 29, 2010 at 5:45 PM

It’s back on now.

terryannonline on April 29, 2010 at 5:46 PM

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