Open thread: Shameless careerist ready to “fight the machine” or something

posted at 4:52 pm on April 29, 2010 by Allahpundit

Coming at 5 p.m. ET to a cable network near you, Charlie Crist explains the deep, principled opposition to our decadent two-party system that he suddenly developed, like, two weeks ago. How cynically repulsive is this party switch? Repulsive enough to have David Frum suddenly waving the banner of tea-party darling Marco Rubio. No foolin’:

The center right has got to hold together. We cannot afford more NY-23s. In all but the most extreme circumstances, the rule has to be that those who participate in a party contest abide by the results of that process. It’s one thing if the race is Lieberman v. Lamont, and what’s at issue is success or failure in war. I used that comparison in a tweet today, but it does not stand up to scrutiny: the differences between Crist and Rubio are much more differences in tone, temperament, and personality. Had Crist prevailed in the Florida Republican primary, he would have had every valid reason to expect Rubio to support the outcome. The reverse should have held true.

Top Republicans are naturally demanding their money back from Crist today; true to venal form, he’s returning donations pro-rated. Why do that given the bad press it’s going to stir up for him? Because he has no choice. The well is running dry:

[O]ne Florida source with knowledge of the Republican money game argued that Crist is badly underestimating the number of refunds that will be asked for/demanded. If it’s $1 million then Crist can weather it; if it’s $3 million (or more) that is a problem. The other piece of the money puzzle for Crist is how he can raise enough money — in addition to what he has already collected — to be competitive in such a pricey state in which to run for office. Crist will undoubtedly keep some of his closest money men (and women) but we are talking about a $15 million plus endeavor for a serious general election campaign and it’s not yet clear how he can get to that number. It’s also worth remembering that Crist has never in his political career had to worry about being outspent; he had been, until very recently, one of the pre-eminent fundraisers in the GOP.

The other question o’ the day is whether he can win. Larry Sabato thinks he’s got a slim chance, but check the math in this post by Ben Smith. To have a credible shot, he needs 35 percent of Republicans and 30 percent of Democrats, which almost certainly isn’t happening. Which brings me to Jay Cost’s spot-on analysis on why Crist is simply insane to run this year instead of cooling off and trying again in 2012. Some of it overlaps with things I’ve been saying lately, but the point about strategic voting bears quoting:

Remember the New Jersey governor’s race? Independent Christopher Daggett was polling at 10%, but only got 5.8% on Election Day. There’s a reason for that. American elections are winner take all, which makes it very difficult for third parties to thrive. Once voters catch wind that a vote for a third party candidate is a waste, they’ll bail on that candidate. This suggests that Crist is going to have to “defeat” either Marco Rubio or Kendrick Meek prior to Election Day. Now, how do you suppose he’s going to do that? He hasn’t been able to defeat Rubio yet. That means he will have to nullify Meek. I’m skeptical he’ll be able to do that. As an African American, Meek can expect strong support from the roughly 14% of the electorate that is black. That’s one big problem. Another big problem is that Crist will first have to get the Democratic Party establishment to get behind him, and the White House is refusing to take his calls. With good reason. They’re banking that Crist will siphon off just enough votes from Rubio to elect Meek. And anyway, with Roland Burris leaving the upper chamber next year, there might not be a single African American Senator in the 112th Congress. Can the Democratic establishment really turn its back on Meek – for Charlie Crist of all people? No way!

Independent candidates simply don’t win true three-way elections, and cynical, careerist, opportunistic, lying candidates really don’t win in a political climate like 2010. This guy is virtually the antithesis of the tea-party ethos — ironically, given the media blather about tea partiers embracing third parties — and yet he’s betting his political future that he can overcome it all and squeak through. I’ll give him this: He’s got balls. But not much else. Stand by for video.

Update: MSNBC’s got a live feed. Commenters are telling me the presser’s been pushed back to 5:30.

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Get the hat ready, Jetboy…

Enoxo on April 29, 2010 at 4:54 PM

4-1 odds he surprises us and says he is dropping out …

Ian on April 29, 2010 at 4:55 PM

Impeached former president Bill Clinton says “Well done.”

jukin on April 29, 2010 at 4:55 PM

HA! ‘Fight the machine’? You couldn’t fight an unplugged vacuum cleaner, you fraud!

Dark-Star on April 29, 2010 at 4:55 PM

Is there an online stream somewhere?

Abby Adams on April 29, 2010 at 4:56 PM

Did the White House ever call him back…?

Seven Percent Solution on April 29, 2010 at 4:57 PM

I’ll give him this: He’s got balls. But not much else.

Even Tony Montana had his balls AND his word. Crist can’t even make that case.

Doughboy on April 29, 2010 at 4:57 PM

AP, you can’t deny us a report on the awesomeness if JetBoy delivers video of his hat consumption. This is an official HA meme. :)

Red Cloud on April 29, 2010 at 4:57 PM

4-1 odds he surprises us and says he is dropping out …

Ian on April 29, 2010 at 4:55 PM

I agree. He’s NOT THAT STUPID.

picklesgap on April 29, 2010 at 4:58 PM

Reminds me of a cellphone commercial. A rich fat cat is talking about how great his cell-phone contract is and says he is ‘sticking it to the man’. Someone nearby replies ‘Wait, aren’t you the man?’ to which the rich fat cat replies ‘Yes I am.’

Holger on April 29, 2010 at 4:58 PM

I’ve tried to donate to Rubio for the last six hours and can’t get in. Serve….bank account OVER LOAD.

jukin on April 29, 2010 at 4:58 PM

So against the machine is Crist, that he called up the ballerina to tell him just how against the machine he is.

Weight of Glory on April 29, 2010 at 4:59 PM

Is there an online stream somewhere?

Abby Adams on April 29, 2010 at 4:56 PM

Ahem: on MSNBC.

Abby Adams on April 29, 2010 at 4:59 PM

I’ll give him this: He’s got balls. But not much else. Stand by for video.

So he’s one up on Action Figure Barry (well, technically, two).

Vashta.Nerada on April 29, 2010 at 5:00 PM

Coming soon, Crist LIVE on stage with Rage Against the Machine and System of a Down!

TheUnrepentantGeek on April 29, 2010 at 5:00 PM

JetBoy’s hat hardest hit.

DrAllecon on April 29, 2010 at 5:01 PM

I hope he drops out.

changer1701 on April 29, 2010 at 5:01 PM

It’s now 5:30 PM.

amerpundit on April 29, 2010 at 5:01 PM

Ahem: on MSNBC.

Abby Adams on April 29, 2010 at 4:59 PM

I’d rather scoop my eyes out with rusted sporks.

Enoxo on April 29, 2010 at 5:01 PM

It’s now 5:30 PM.

amerpundit on April 29, 2010 at 5:01 PM

Messages from the future scare me.

lorien1973 on April 29, 2010 at 5:02 PM

And anyway, with Roland Burris leaving the upper chamber next year, there might not be a single African American Senator in the 112th Congress. Can the Democratic establishment really turn its back on Meek – for Charlie Crist of all people? No way!

On the other hand, I don’t think there is a single orange member in the senate.

Vashta.Nerada on April 29, 2010 at 5:02 PM

But just because I like twist endings, I’m going to still hold out for him announcing his dropping out and putting his support to Rubio. It’s like betting that a major-leauge ballplayer will catch a pop fly using his baseball cap instead of his glove, but what the heck, it COULD happen.

DrAllecon on April 29, 2010 at 5:02 PM

I haven’t seen a breakdown like this since that Little Green Insane guy lost his marbles.

MNHawk on April 29, 2010 at 5:03 PM

DrAllecon on April 29, 2010 at 5:02 PM

Same. Hold Out Hope!

Abby Adams on April 29, 2010 at 5:04 PM

Ahem: on MSNBC.

Abby Adams on April 29, 2010 at 4:59 PM

Is Pissy-Chrissy bloviating?

speed911 on April 29, 2010 at 5:05 PM

Rubion 2010! Woohooo!

terryannonline on April 29, 2010 at 5:05 PM

Messages from the future scare me.

lorien1973 on April 29, 2010 at 5:02 PM

Just wait until you find out what happens at 5:20. It’ll blow your mind.

amerpundit on April 29, 2010 at 5:05 PM

vanity, by the way if he really does this expect an epic fail.

rob verdi on April 29, 2010 at 5:06 PM

Orange Power!

Fletch54 on April 29, 2010 at 5:06 PM

On the other hand, I don’t think there is a single orange member in the senate.

Vashta.Nerada on April 29, 2010 at 5:02 PM

Small step for man , giant step for orange people.

the_nile on April 29, 2010 at 5:06 PM

On the other hand, I don’t think there is a single orange member in the senate.

Vashta.Nerada on April 29, 2010 at 5:02 PM

If he succeeds, what do we call it? The Orange R3volution? The Rise of the Tanningbeds? The Good, the Bad and the Over-Tanned? A Fistful of Sunblock?

Holger on April 29, 2010 at 5:08 PM

speed911 on April 29, 2010 at 5:05 PM

The online stream has no commentators.

They were just showing a sign that read:

I didn’t leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party left me. (25 years ago)

Abby Adams on April 29, 2010 at 5:08 PM

Oompa Loompas hardest hit.

Branch Rickey on April 29, 2010 at 5:08 PM

The Naranja Rino suddenly discovers he is a “maverick”.

portlandon on April 29, 2010 at 5:09 PM

If he succeeds, what do we call it? The Orange R3volution? The Rise of the Tanningbeds? The Good, the Bad and the Over-Tanned? A Fistful of Sunblock?

Holger on April 29, 2010 at 5:08 PM

The “Loompa Power” revolution

teke184 on April 29, 2010 at 5:09 PM

If he switches, I just want someone to stand there with one of those INFILTRATOR signs from the Tea Parties.

Abby Adams on April 29, 2010 at 5:09 PM

Enough with the concert. Talk, already.

MadisonConservative on April 29, 2010 at 5:09 PM

The Naranja Rino suddenly discovers he is a “maverick”.

portlandon on April 29, 2010 at 5:09 PM

LOL! Awesome.

terryannonline on April 29, 2010 at 5:10 PM

Loompaland is expected to announcement its endorsement of the Indie candidacy.

amerpundit on April 29, 2010 at 5:12 PM

If he switches, I just want someone to stand there with one of those INFILTRATOR signs from the Tea Parties.

Abby Adams on April 29, 2010 at 5:09 PM

That would be brilliant.

Enoxo on April 29, 2010 at 5:13 PM

I bet he announces that he’s going to wash off the fake tan, to demonstrate his new status as “genuine”.

MadisonConservative on April 29, 2010 at 5:14 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw0zZttfUaw

Lets all sing CHarlie’s theme song.

Elizabetty on April 29, 2010 at 5:15 PM

What a great honorable guy.Couple months ago he was a loyal? Republican. When the little weenie falls way behind Rubio all of a sudden he’s a maveriky Independent. Quite the transformation. What a putz.

sandee on April 29, 2010 at 5:15 PM

On top of everything else, he’s cutting into Beck.

ihasurnominashun on April 29, 2010 at 5:16 PM

And another thing Charlie… you are the machine.

sandee on April 29, 2010 at 5:17 PM

Crist is the kind of guy we are going to be kicking out of office, not electing to a new one.

notagool on April 29, 2010 at 5:17 PM

People in the crowd, Please hold up your signs!! Block Charlie’s camera shot!!

portlandon on April 29, 2010 at 5:17 PM

How does a human being get a orange tan like that? It’s not natural.

terryannonline on April 29, 2010 at 5:17 PM

A sad thing about this is that Republicans don’t discard losing candidates forever (unlike the Democrats).

Crist has the chance to become the 21st Century Harold Stassen.

unclesmrgol on April 29, 2010 at 5:18 PM

How does a human being get a orange tan like that? It’s not natural.

terryannonline on April 29, 2010 at 5:17 PM

Has to be some form of contamination over time..

the_nile on April 29, 2010 at 5:19 PM

Charlie Crist’s site took down a page where it said he was running as a Republican and would -never- run as an independent.

Excellent.

lorien1973 on April 29, 2010 at 5:19 PM

Anyone know if there’s a live feed of JetBoy cooking up that hat?

Knucklehead on April 29, 2010 at 5:19 PM

Interesting how little his status as a closeted homosexual plays in this whole drama.

Simona on April 29, 2010 at 5:19 PM

He’s switching!

Linked by amerpundit on April 29, 2010 at 12:20 PM:

“To put these rumors to rest once and for all, as we have said countless times before, Governor Crist is running for the United States Senate as a Republican. He will not run as an Independent or as a No Party Affiliation.

“The Governor is proud of his conservative credentials and stands firmly behind the principles of limited government and more personal freedom, the bedrock values of the Republican Party. He is proud to be a member of the Party of Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and Ronald Reagan.

“This should completely and utterly put to rest any of the unfounded rumors coming from the Rubio campaign that Governor Crist would run as anything other than the Republican that he is.”

http://charliecrist.com/2010/04/crist-campaign-rubio-camp-prefers-baseless-rumors-over-talking-about-his-record/

Guess which link is a 404 now?!?!?!

Ha. Hat time, JetBoy, my friend.

Abby Adams on April 29, 2010 at 5:20 PM

If he succeeds, what do we call it? The Orange R3volution? The Rise of the Tanningbeds? The Good, the Bad and the Over-Tanned? A Fistful of Sunblock?

Holger on April 29, 2010 at 5:08 PM

pwnd.

A Clockwork Orange.

alohapundit on April 29, 2010 at 5:20 PM

How does a human being get a orange tan like that? It’s not natural.

terryannonline on April 29, 2010 at 5:17 PM

My parents had an ’87 Jeep Wagoneer that had a leather Interior that was very close to Charlie’s color.

I always hated that rig.

portlandon on April 29, 2010 at 5:20 PM

Third-stage syphilis with a touch of rinitis. Symptoms include orange skin and a tendency to speak out of both sides of the mouth.

EMD on April 29, 2010 at 5:20 PM

lorien1973 on April 29, 2010 at 5:19 PM

Darn you!

Abby Adams on April 29, 2010 at 5:20 PM

lorien1973 on April 29, 2010 at 5:19 PM

Awesome.

Cached here, BTW.

amerpundit on April 29, 2010 at 5:20 PM

amerpundit on April 29, 2010 at 5:20 PM

Was just about to post that.

lorien1973 on April 29, 2010 at 5:21 PM

How does a human being get a orange tan like that? It’s not natural.

terryannonline on April 29, 2010 at 5:17 PM

Oh its very natural. That’s why you’re not supposed to eat broccoli.

El_Terrible on April 29, 2010 at 5:21 PM

Would not be surprised if he drops out!!!!

tomshup on April 29, 2010 at 5:22 PM

MSNBC’s feed just died. Hmmmm…

MadisonConservative on April 29, 2010 at 5:22 PM

He has 14,869 fans on facebook. I wonder what will happen to that number in the coming days.

Elizabetty on April 29, 2010 at 5:22 PM

Anyone know if there’s a live feed of JetBoy cooking up that hat?

Knucklehead on April 29, 2010 at 5:19 PM

The revolution consumption will be televised youtubed.

Enoxo on April 29, 2010 at 5:23 PM

Anyone know if there’s a live feed of JetBoy cooking up that hat?

Knucklehead on April 29, 2010 at 5:19 PM

Shaddap you…

Honestly…is this thread really necessary? *sigh*

JetBoy on April 29, 2010 at 5:23 PM

amerpundit on April 29, 2010 at 5:20 PM

Darn you!

Abby Adams on April 29, 2010 at 5:23 PM

JetBoy, why did you think he wouldn’t switch?

changer1701 on April 29, 2010 at 5:23 PM

Honestly…is this thread really necessary? *sigh*

JetBoy on April 29, 2010 at 5:23 PM

You know we love you…

Now go get the hat prepared.

Enoxo on April 29, 2010 at 5:24 PM

Shaddap you…

Honestly…is this thread really necessary? *sigh*

JetBoy on April 29, 2010 at 5:23 PM

Still heart ya Jet Boy…..

You were just wrong about Charlie Crist :)

terryannonline on April 29, 2010 at 5:24 PM

Shaddap you…

Honestly…is this thread really necessary? *sigh*

JetBoy on April 29, 2010 at 5:23 PM

Props for showin’ up!
The mark of a true conservative…

Skywise on April 29, 2010 at 5:24 PM

“Won’t back down…”

Abby Adams on April 29, 2010 at 5:24 PM

JetBoy on April 29, 2010 at 5:23 PM

Ya got grit, my friend. It’ll all be over soon.

MadisonConservative on April 29, 2010 at 5:25 PM

Anyone know if there’s a live feed of JetBoy cooking up that hat?

Knucklehead on April 29, 2010 at 5:19 PM

Not exactly sure what hat everyone is talking about, but is it something like this?

El_Terrible on April 29, 2010 at 5:25 PM

I hope to God that the Rep wizards of smart and the RNC now realize that you can not trust a RINO.

thmcbb on April 29, 2010 at 5:26 PM

Yeah JetBoy. Who would have thought this orange buffoon would commit suicide like this? He must be counting on the credit card thing. Don’t think there is any there there.

sandee on April 29, 2010 at 5:26 PM

4-1 odds he surprises us and says he is dropping out …

Ian on April 29, 2010 at 4:55 PM

I agree. He’s NOT THAT STUPID.

picklesgap on April 29, 2010 at 4:58 PM

But what if he IS that stupid?

upinak on April 29, 2010 at 5:26 PM

“Won’t back down…”

Abby Adams on April 29, 2010 at 5:24 PM

for your listening pleasure, the Charlie Crist “Theme Song”

alohapundit on April 29, 2010 at 5:27 PM

JetBoy, why did you think he wouldn’t switch?

changer1701 on April 29, 2010 at 5:23 PM

So far, he hasn’t switched…yet…

Honestly, I gave him credit for having principles. that he would most certainly put the people before his own ego. And figured he’d be smart enough to know he cannot win as indy. And if he switches, I’ll be the first to call him “scum”. It’s a big BIG letdown. I don’t think I could trust another politician ever again.

JetBoy on April 29, 2010 at 5:28 PM

That’s a very small cluster of supporters on the video.

Enoxo on April 29, 2010 at 5:28 PM

alohapundit on April 29, 2010 at 5:27 PM

Hey keep away from that VOG!

upinak on April 29, 2010 at 5:28 PM

I think I’m beginning to understand Christ from JetBoy’s perspective.

TheUnrepentantGeek on April 29, 2010 at 5:28 PM

And figured he’d be smart enough to know he cannot win as indy

That’s why I don’t get why he doesn’t wait till 2012. We’ll probably need a more moderate candidate in 2012.

terryannonline on April 29, 2010 at 5:29 PM

I don’t think I could trust another politician ever again.

JetBoy on April 29, 2010 at 5:28 PM

Rule number 1: Never, ever, trust politicians. Not even ones you agree with. Not even Palin. Not even Reagan. Listen to them, and keep track of their actions. Give them your vote based on track records, not on misplaced trust.

MadisonConservative on April 29, 2010 at 5:30 PM

TheUnrepentantGeek on April 29, 2010 at 5:28 PM

Unneeded.

Enoxo on April 29, 2010 at 5:30 PM

Look at all those Union supporters. Quite a crowd Charlie.

portlandon on April 29, 2010 at 5:30 PM

upinak on April 29, 2010 at 5:28 PM

It’s been beautiful lately. The trades are blowin’, the Mai Tai’s are flowin’, and I’m deploying in less than a month HAHA!

alohapundit on April 29, 2010 at 5:30 PM

Honestly…is this thread really necessary? *sigh*

JetBoy on April 29, 2010 at 5:23 PM

Did you take my advice and start marinating that lid in Jack Daniels earlier?

thomasaur on April 29, 2010 at 5:30 PM

I don’t get it. He LOOKS so principled. See the firmly set square jaw and all, y’all.

DrStock on April 29, 2010 at 5:30 PM

That’s why I don’t get why he doesn’t wait till 2012. We’ll probably need a more moderate candidate in 2012.

terryannonline on April 29, 2010 at 5:29 PM

will you please put that pipe down!

upinak on April 29, 2010 at 5:30 PM

TheUnrepentantGeek on April 29, 2010 at 5:28 PM

Desperately needs a ‘shop of a Shake Weight instead of a conch.

Abby Adams on April 29, 2010 at 5:30 PM

Unneeded.

Enoxo on April 29, 2010 at 5:30 PM

Agreed

terryannonline on April 29, 2010 at 5:31 PM

It’s been beautiful lately. The trades are blowin’, the Mai Tai’s are flowin’, and I’m deploying in less than a month HAHA!

alohapundit on April 29, 2010 at 5:30 PM

:( email me, I will get the next round of “HA Boxes” up and running. Let me know what you likey in the boxes.

upinak on April 29, 2010 at 5:31 PM

Did you take my advice and start marinating that lid in Jack Daniels earlier?

thomasaur on April 29, 2010 at 5:30 PM

Using Jack Daniels to marinate is a waste of good Jack. It’s far better to drink it – it saves the alcohol.

steveegg on April 29, 2010 at 5:31 PM

Rule number 1: Never, ever, trust politicians. Not even ones you agree with. Not even Palin. Not even Reagan. Listen to them, and keep track of their actions. Give them your vote based on track records, not on misplaced trust.

MadisonConservative on April 29, 2010 at 5:30 PM

Truer words were never spoken.

portlandon on April 29, 2010 at 5:32 PM

Shaddap you…

Honestly…is this thread really necessary? *sigh*

JetBoy on April 29, 2010 at 5:23 PM

You should feel honored. AP put it up just for you.

Knucklehead on April 29, 2010 at 5:32 PM

I Christ (en) thee USS Titanic Campaign

William Amos on April 29, 2010 at 5:32 PM

Some signs at Crist’s “rally”…

“Remember, YOU left us.”

Enoxo on April 29, 2010 at 5:32 PM

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