Open thread: Shameless careerist ready to “fight the machine” or something

posted at 4:52 pm on April 29, 2010 by Allahpundit

Coming at 5 p.m. ET to a cable network near you, Charlie Crist explains the deep, principled opposition to our decadent two-party system that he suddenly developed, like, two weeks ago. How cynically repulsive is this party switch? Repulsive enough to have David Frum suddenly waving the banner of tea-party darling Marco Rubio. No foolin’:

The center right has got to hold together. We cannot afford more NY-23s. In all but the most extreme circumstances, the rule has to be that those who participate in a party contest abide by the results of that process. It’s one thing if the race is Lieberman v. Lamont, and what’s at issue is success or failure in war. I used that comparison in a tweet today, but it does not stand up to scrutiny: the differences between Crist and Rubio are much more differences in tone, temperament, and personality. Had Crist prevailed in the Florida Republican primary, he would have had every valid reason to expect Rubio to support the outcome. The reverse should have held true.

Top Republicans are naturally demanding their money back from Crist today; true to venal form, he’s returning donations pro-rated. Why do that given the bad press it’s going to stir up for him? Because he has no choice. The well is running dry:

[O]ne Florida source with knowledge of the Republican money game argued that Crist is badly underestimating the number of refunds that will be asked for/demanded. If it’s $1 million then Crist can weather it; if it’s $3 million (or more) that is a problem. The other piece of the money puzzle for Crist is how he can raise enough money — in addition to what he has already collected — to be competitive in such a pricey state in which to run for office. Crist will undoubtedly keep some of his closest money men (and women) but we are talking about a $15 million plus endeavor for a serious general election campaign and it’s not yet clear how he can get to that number. It’s also worth remembering that Crist has never in his political career had to worry about being outspent; he had been, until very recently, one of the pre-eminent fundraisers in the GOP.

The other question o’ the day is whether he can win. Larry Sabato thinks he’s got a slim chance, but check the math in this post by Ben Smith. To have a credible shot, he needs 35 percent of Republicans and 30 percent of Democrats, which almost certainly isn’t happening. Which brings me to Jay Cost’s spot-on analysis on why Crist is simply insane to run this year instead of cooling off and trying again in 2012. Some of it overlaps with things I’ve been saying lately, but the point about strategic voting bears quoting:

Remember the New Jersey governor’s race? Independent Christopher Daggett was polling at 10%, but only got 5.8% on Election Day. There’s a reason for that. American elections are winner take all, which makes it very difficult for third parties to thrive. Once voters catch wind that a vote for a third party candidate is a waste, they’ll bail on that candidate. This suggests that Crist is going to have to “defeat” either Marco Rubio or Kendrick Meek prior to Election Day. Now, how do you suppose he’s going to do that? He hasn’t been able to defeat Rubio yet. That means he will have to nullify Meek. I’m skeptical he’ll be able to do that. As an African American, Meek can expect strong support from the roughly 14% of the electorate that is black. That’s one big problem. Another big problem is that Crist will first have to get the Democratic Party establishment to get behind him, and the White House is refusing to take his calls. With good reason. They’re banking that Crist will siphon off just enough votes from Rubio to elect Meek. And anyway, with Roland Burris leaving the upper chamber next year, there might not be a single African American Senator in the 112th Congress. Can the Democratic establishment really turn its back on Meek – for Charlie Crist of all people? No way!

Independent candidates simply don’t win true three-way elections, and cynical, careerist, opportunistic, lying candidates really don’t win in a political climate like 2010. This guy is virtually the antithesis of the tea-party ethos — ironically, given the media blather about tea partiers embracing third parties — and yet he’s betting his political future that he can overcome it all and squeak through. I’ll give him this: He’s got balls. But not much else. Stand by for video.

Update: MSNBC’s got a live feed. Commenters are telling me the presser’s been pushed back to 5:30.

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Whistle-blowers, beware. Big brother is watching you.

The Rogue Tomato on May 21, 2013 at 7:23 PM

And yet a troop of them can still be seen marching into the West Wing today in order to receive their marching orders. Pathetic.

WitchDoctor on May 21, 2013 at 7:24 PM

drip, drip, drip.

myiq2xu on May 21, 2013 at 7:25 PM

“These DOJ folks were Bush appointees, so it’s not Obama’s fault.”

-Libs

portlandon on May 21, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Um, this scandal gets bigger by the hour.

Everyone is reporting on this now.

And the IRS

And Benghazi

dogsoldier on May 21, 2013 at 7:26 PM

http://twitchy.com/2013/05/21/outrageous-did-justice-department-seize-phone-records-of-james-rosens-parents/

Outrageous: Did Justice Department seize phone records of James Rosen’s parents?

Mark1971 on May 21, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Um, this scandal gets bigger by the hour.

Everyone is reporting on this now.

And the IRS

And Benghazi

dogsoldier on May 21, 2013 at 7:26 PM

I haven’t seen the tipping point yet.

The left is still standing behind their rat-eared coward.

There may be a lot of casualties but it will not reach into the inner circle of the West Wing. The rat-eared bastard apparently is far too important to care about the running of the Executive Branch of government.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2013 at 7:30 PM

The funny thing is none of this surprises me. We all knew what he was before he got elected the first time.

Now the world is just catching up.

gophergirl on May 21, 2013 at 7:30 PM

They are looking for a leaker from within…..

they’re paranoid.

ted c on May 21, 2013 at 7:32 PM

It is VERY VERY possible he (OBAMA) knew about it all along.

Notice how one person has been remarkably silent on all the Obama scandals?

Joe Biden.

PappyD61 on May 21, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Wow, this is strangely reminiscent of a Secret Police operation from East Germany or sumptin!

D-fusit on May 21, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Mark1971 on May 21, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Yes, Fox News noted this evening that Eric Withholder also seized phone records from James Rosen’s parents’ home.

slickwillie2001 on May 21, 2013 at 7:32 PM

in the case of Stephen Jin-Woo Kim, a former State Department contractor accused of violating the Espionage Act for allegedly leaking classified information to James Rosen,

Can the same accusation apply to IRS thugs who leaked info about Romney’s and Koch Brothers’ taxes?

burrata on May 21, 2013 at 7:33 PM

The funny thing is none of this surprises me. We all knew what he was before he got elected the first time.

Now the world is just catching up.

gophergirl on May 21, 2013 at 7:30 PM

well said GG..how I feel,anyway.

bazil9 on May 21, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Outrageous: Did Justice Department seize phone records of James Rosen’s parents?

Mark1971 on May 21, 2013 at 7:29 PM

That’s what you find outrageous?

How about a reporter being named a co-conspirator (as in he was seeking to give classified information to the enemy)? The only reason the rest of this crap happened is because the DoJ declared that Rosen was in collusion with his sources to reveal classified information.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Joe Biden.

PappyD61 on May 21, 2013 at 7:32 PM

I noticed that Pappy.
I have meant to mention it.
I haven’t/heard/ seen a peep.
But I am missing so much.

bazil9 on May 21, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Pretty obvious Comrade O’s belligerent rhetoric directed at FOXnews was taken very seriously by some of his minions.

Dear Leader’s thin skin is making Nixon’s legendary thin skin look like rhinoceros hide.

farsighted on May 21, 2013 at 7:34 PM

The funny thing is none of this surprises me. We all knew what he was before he got elected the first time.

Now the world is just catching up.

gophergirl on May 21, 2013 at 7:30 PM

In 2008 you would have been branded a racist for declaring that the Obama administration was this totalitarian. Ed Morrissey would have banned you from HA because you didn’t give the rat-eared bastard a chance to prove what a wonderful leader he is.

Five years later, things are a tad different.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2013 at 7:36 PM

The White House Correspondents’ Association, as you might imagine, is getting somewhat concerned about all of the targeting of the press coming out of this administration, because this is quickly turning into a dangerous-looking pattern:

They aren’t concerned about what the regime is doing to FOXnews. Most of them despise FOXnews.

They are concerned Dear Leader may be investigating them. And they are concerned their sources might clam up.

farsighted on May 21, 2013 at 7:37 PM

Dear Leader’s thin skin is making Nixon’s legendary thin skin look like rhinoceros hide.

farsighted on May 21, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Agreed but there is a slight difference. Nixon’s thin skin was mostly about his policies. The rat-eared coward will not abide any criticism of him directly. If Nixon had that standard he would have died of a heart attack by the end of 1972.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Notice how one person has been remarkably silent on all the Obama scandals?

Joe Biden.

PappyD61 on May 21, 2013 at 7:32 PM

You notice that, too?

In the 1963 James Bond movie From Russia with Love , the strategy of the criminal organization SPECTRE is compared to three Siamese fighting in the same tank: Two will fight each other to the death while the third will wait its turn to fight the exhausted victor, symbolizing the conflict between the USA and the Soviet Union, with SPECTRE as the fish that waits.

IlikedAUH2O on May 21, 2013 at 7:41 PM

Evil and insidious.

Rode Werk on May 21, 2013 at 7:41 PM

Notice how one person has been remarkably silent on all the Obama scandals?

Joe Biden.

PappyD61 on May 21, 2013 at 7:32 PM

They probably have him locked up in the White House basement with duct tape over his mouth. I mean, if Biden knows ANYTHING, it will come out of his mouth at some point.

CJ on May 21, 2013 at 7:41 PM

DISCLAIMER: I am not in anyway suggesting that Rosen is a spy, merely bringing up the question for discussion, because I feel like the press has published a lot of stuff during other administrations that should have stayed under wraps (not everything, because sometimes the government has to be outed when they are just trying to cover-up political malfeasance with no national security import):

How about a reporter being named a co-conspirator (as in he was seeking to give classified information to the enemy)? The only reason the rest of this crap happened is because the DoJ declared that Rosen was in collusion with his sources to reveal classified information.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2013 at 7:33 PM

If a reporter publishes classified information and the enemy reads it, how is that substantively different from handing it over in secret?

The sources knew Rosen intended to reveal classified information, by publishing it; how is this not collusion?

AesopFan on May 21, 2013 at 7:43 PM

The funny thing is none of this surprises me. We all knew what he was before he got elected the first time.

Now the world is just catching up.

gophergirl on May 21, 2013 at 7:30 PM

well said GG..how I feel,anyway.

bazil9 on May 21, 2013 at 7:33 PM

I agree. Everything that’s coming out now is completely consistent with everything Obama has done in the past.

INC on May 21, 2013 at 7:43 PM

CJ on May 21, 2013 at 7:41 PM

I really agree with CJ. I just love the Siamese fighting fish strategy.

However, who really knows what goes on in Joe O’ Biden’s mind?

IlikedAUH2O on May 21, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Obama has done in the past.

INC on May 21, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Or insinuated..said.

bazil9 on May 21, 2013 at 7:45 PM

Update:

Bret Baier has now reported that in addition to records from James Rosen’s work phone, cell phone and email, the DOJ also seized the phone records of James Rosen’s parents.

Yes, his parents.

Zcat on May 21, 2013 at 7:46 PM

and they all laugh with the President at the Correspondents dinner.

rob verdi on May 21, 2013 at 7:47 PM

President Barack Obama told his supporters at a campaign rally – inside a public high school, no less – to vote for revenge! That definitely sounds like something the Rev. Jeremiah Wright would say, comparable to the infamous “Godd—- America” quote and other phrases that he delivered to his masses when Barack Obama was in the audience instead of standing before the masses delivering his own type of hate.

Never have Americans heard a president tell his constituents, just four days before a national presidential election, tell Americans: “Voting is the best revenge!”

bazil9 on May 21, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Ronald Machen’s name has come up before in some other leak cases hasn’t it..?

d1carter on May 21, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Best and potentially most lucrative job in America right now: Legal counsel to James Rosen. Hope he sues the shit out of them and, in the process, expose Holder and Obama for the tyrants that they are.

TXUS on May 21, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Is Ronald Machen the insulation for Eric Holder’s misdeeds..?

d1carter on May 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM

I agree. Everything that’s coming out now is completely consistent with everything Obama has done in the past.

INC on May 21, 2013 at 7:43 PM

I thought he would be transformational, a new era for the country.

arnold ziffel on May 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Obama said this:

“I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face.“

Walk down memory lane…

bazil9 on May 21, 2013 at 7:52 PM

Notice how one person has been remarkably silent on all the Obama scandals?

Joe Biden.

PappyD61 on May 21, 2013 at 7:32 PM

He is in remedial “oath of office” training.

hillsoftx on May 21, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Friends..awwww

Left-wing radical Bill Ayers, a longtime friend of President Barack Obama, recently defended the series of bombings that he carried out as a member of the Weather Underground, saying that his bombings were not like the Boston Marathon attack and that America is the most violent country that has ever been created.

Ayers has since served as a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago and has been a “family friend” to Obama, who previously lived in Chicago’s Hyde Park neighborhood, where Ayers and wife Bernadine Dohrn reside.

bazil9 on May 21, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Don’t see what the MSM is so concerned about. Barry just has Holder keeping his media whores in line.

GarandFan on May 21, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Keep burning those bridges Obama. One by one.

txhsmom on May 21, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Death by a 1000 cuts..
lets go. Slice~

bazil9 on May 21, 2013 at 7:56 PM

And yet a troop of them can still be seen marching into the West Wing today in order to receive their marching orders. Pathetic.

WitchDoctor on May 21, 2013 at 7:24 PM

They no marchers.
They fluffers

burrata on May 21, 2013 at 7:56 PM

OT …
Did the senate just pass an amnesty bill ?

Lucano on May 21, 2013 at 7:59 PM

He’s a nice person, so said Mitt Romney. Gag.

SouthernGent on May 21, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Notice how one person has been remarkably silent on all the Obama scandals?

Joe Biden.

PappyD61 on May 21, 2013 at 7:32 PM

You notice that, too?

In the 1963 James Bond movie From Russia with Love , the strategy of the criminal organization SPECTRE is compared to three Siamese fighting in the same tank: Two will fight each other to the death while the third will wait its turn to fight the exhausted victor, symbolizing the conflict between the USA and the Soviet Union, with SPECTRE as the fish that waits.

IlikedAUH2O on May 21, 2013 at 7:41 PM

He sits quietly on the balcony, shot gun at the ready.

Lily on May 21, 2013 at 8:00 PM

If a reporter publishes classified information and the enemy reads it, how is that substantively different from handing it over in secret?

The sources knew Rosen intended to reveal classified information, by publishing it; how is this not collusion?

AesopFan on May 21, 2013 at 7:43 PM

You’ve yet to prove that Rosen knew the information he was getting was classified. The traditional balance is to go out after the leaker and not the reporter. Rosen was named a co-conspirator so that differentiation was moot.

Are you really this stupid?

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2013 at 8:05 PM

I remember when the government used to hunt down and kill enemies and leave the rest of us alone. They had this wild idea about a Bill of Rights.

They made mistakes, sure, like the incarceration of Japanese Americans and the genocide of American Indians. Racist? Well they sure fried tons of Germans!

And our old LEOs would have sized up the Marathon bomber gang pretty fast and quietly dumped them right back in the Jihad happy pastures from whence they came.

Now we have an alphabet of agencies, a crossword puzzle of issues and a world wide war going on with spending and strategy issues worthy of three dimensional chess.

We need a “reset” button, alright, but it ain’t the one Hillary made a mess of in Russia.

Repeal every law passed since 1928.

IlikedAUH2O on May 21, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Perhaps the WH can see that theyve made their most loyal lap dogs angry and fear losing their cover so theyve convened this little confab at the WH today to try and bolster their national security argument. These MSMers hate Fox News so that doesnt really bother them and Holder testified that the AP stuff was justified. Wonder if their bogus argument will appease the royal azz kissers in the MSM.

neyney on May 21, 2013 at 8:06 PM

AesopFan on May 21, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Go check Supreme Court decisions on this, counselor.

IlikedAUH2O on May 21, 2013 at 8:06 PM

It may be a long time before elite East and West coast lefties support someone from Chicago for President again.

It must offend their sense of superior liberal propriety to see raw Chicago style thuggery and ham-handed bumbling incompetence on display now day after day after day. The Chicago Gang gets away with in Chicago because there is no political opposition, the local media is either cowed or fully on board worth the program, and the majority of the population is on the take in one way or another.

When it seemed to be working and no one knew about it the lib elites on the coasts loved it. Or at least they tolerated it. Things have changed.

farsighted on May 21, 2013 at 8:07 PM

What would it take to get Jarrett, under oath, in front of congress? I, like many here, suspect most of the current scandals lead through her and maybe even stop before it reaches her sock puppet in the west wing.

SteveInRTP on May 21, 2013 at 8:09 PM

fully on board worth with

farsighted on May 21, 2013 at 8:10 PM

AesopFan on May 21, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Sorry, sir. I get nasty at times and don’t like it when I do.

I meant to say that reporter Rosen is exempt from charges by stare decisis of SCOTUS in numerous cases dating from the famous Pentagon Papers on and was free to accept classified materials and publish them.

IlikedAUH2O on May 21, 2013 at 8:11 PM

I’m really starting to wonder how Obama twists his way out this time. Regardless, his legacy is destroyed, as is any hope of any kind of meaningful legislation in his second term.

It’s over.

Fuhgeddaboudit.

Chris of Rights on May 21, 2013 at 8:13 PM

this is working out swimmingly for barry and the schumer gang. Remember, barry decided to bite the bullet on the IRS and AP stories themselves…timing was essential. Weeks of distractions.

Risky..yeah, but barry is a risk taker…he usually wins big with the help of his friends

Will this even make the news?

By a vote of 13-5, the panel approved the nearly 900-page bill that would put 11 million illegal residents on a 13-year path to citizenship while further strengthening security along the southwestern border with Mexico, long a sieve for illegal crossings.

and btw, both Frum and Kristol are agin the bill. Who…aside from corporate lobbyists like Barbour..are for it?

the left is worried about the big impact on wages, while the corporations make big bucks off this…who is for it? Well, aside from Google and KFC…and the DNC who are counting their votes over the next generation?

this is just like barrycare…except that the prog Rs and their big buck donors love it.

r keller on May 21, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Fuhgeddaboudit.

Chris of Rights on May 21, 2013 at 8:13 PM

We are not there yet. But the slim window for meaningful legislation in a second term is quickly closing by all these hearings into his administration’s epic misconduct. The hearings this week were supposed to be about amnesty for the illegals or gay marriage. It was not supposed to be about abuse of power, curtailment of civil rights, or perjury by administration officials.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Wow, guys. Really crack team you got there. Bang-up job on protecting and respecting the First Amendment, and all that.

This crew has never and will never give a rat’s a$$ about any of the amendments. Welcome to the start of the jackboot nation.

ghostwalker1 on May 21, 2013 at 8:23 PM

Update:
Bret Baier has now reported that in addition to records from James Rosen’s work phone, cell phone and email, the DOJ also seized the phone records of James Rosen’s parents.
Yes, his parents.
Zcat on May 21, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Valerie Jarrett is Keyser Soze.

can_con on May 21, 2013 at 8:27 PM

sorry to keep talking about immigration. the FT has a big article on what a big Win this was for Silicon Valley

basically, they do not have to offer jobs to Americans first…see? It is great…big rally tomorrow in the markets. More $$$$$$$ than they can count…and the poli-crooks will get their slice. Looks like mario and flake won the lottery!!!!! yay!!!!

/

r keller on May 21, 2013 at 8:33 PM

So, somebody should tell Maureen Dowd that while Gibbsy isn’t “reading” her, someone in the White House may very well be “listening” to her.

parke on May 21, 2013 at 8:43 PM

My stomach churns whenever this regime even MENTIONS leaks !!!
Ask SEAL Team Six.
Ask the doctor who helped them.
Ask …. shoot, surely we find so many others who’ve paid the price for zero’s arrogant BLARING of leaks !!!

SPIT !!!

pambi on May 21, 2013 at 8:58 PM

The media not liking it when their pimp starts tracking their every move?

And why not? The Chicago Big owns his press, they are just his whores turning tricks (stories with the AP/Reuters banner) for him.

Get used to getting beat up you media sluts.

….and just like the battered wife, they go back and want some more thumping so they’ll feel reassured.

PappyD61 on May 21, 2013 at 9:21 PM

The funny thing is none of this surprises me. We all knew what he was before he got elected the first time.

Now the world is just catching up.

gophergirl on May 21, 2013 at 7:30 PM

I hope James Rosen and his parents show up on The Daily Show.

monalisa on May 21, 2013 at 9:28 PM

The Mooche

Schadenfreude on May 22, 2013 at 12:41 AM

I hope James Rosen and his parents show up on The Daily Show.

monalisa on May 21, 2013 at 9:28 PM

I hope that Ailes and Murdoch put out any amount of millions to defend the freedom of all the press.

Every sane leftists should help, alas.

They are all tyrants, fascists, never liberal/progressive.

Schadenfreude on May 22, 2013 at 12:42 AM