Obama: “I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money”

posted at 8:48 am on April 29, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Via News Alert and Breitbart TV, consider this Share the Wealth 2010. Barack Obama went off the TelePrompter in his speech to a Quincy, Illinois audience about Wall Street reform. After saying that Democrats don’t begrudge success that’s “fairly earned,” Obama then ad-libs — and reveals more about himself than he probably wanted:

We’re not, we’re not trying to push financial reform because we begrudge success that’s fairly earned. I mean, I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money. But, you know, part of the American way is, you know, you can just keep on making it if you’re providing a good product or providing good service. We don’t want people to stop, ah, fulfilling the core responsibilities of the financial system to help grow our economy.

Compare that to his remarks as prepared for delivery:

Now, we’re not doing this to punish these firms or begrudge success that’s fairly earned. We don’t want to stop them from fulfilling their responsibility to help grow our economy.

He should have stuck with the TelePrompter. The President doesn’t get to decide when people have “made enough money.” In fact, as the radio host notes, that’s a statist point of view. Furthermore, the responsibility of an entrepreneur isn’t to “grow our economy,” core or otherwise. It’s to grow his own economy. In a properly regulated capitalist system, the natural tension of self-interests create economic growth through innovation and efficient use of capital and resources.

Put simply, a free people work for themselves, not for the government. Barack Obama seems to have a problem understanding that.


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Exactly how does George Soros feel about this ?

J_Crater on April 29, 2010 at 10:44 PM

Barack Obama seems to have a problem understanding that the American Spirit.

FIFY

AH_C on April 29, 2010 at 11:28 PM

ladyingray on April 29, 2010 at 9:20 PM

How about you don’t get in places you shouldn’t be?

Liam on April 30, 2010 at 3:02 AM

Liam on April 30, 2010 at 3:02 AM

How about you don’t tell me what to do…

ladyingray on April 30, 2010 at 7:00 AM

How ’bout the obamanation telling that to his patron, Soros…

Gohawgs on April 30, 2010 at 7:04 AM

How about you don’t tell me what to do…

ladyingray on April 30, 2010 at 7:00 AM

The refrain of every rebellious toddler since Adam and Eve were raising their children.

Living in civilized society involves being told to do and NOT to do many things – from “keep off the grass” to “Thou shall not murder”.

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 7:46 AM

This is rather a “red meat” type of remark for a lot of people.

However, I do resent the increase in percentage that Wall St. types have taken from stockholders over the past decade. They have waltzed many Americans into 401K plans and then, essentially, raped the coffers.

AnninCA on April 30, 2010 at 7:55 AM

rebellious toddler

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 7:46 AM

Communist filth really should not belittle people this way. The irony is too rich.

MadisonConservative on April 30, 2010 at 8:18 AM

Liam on April 30, 2010 at 3:02 AM

Really is amazing how little respect you’ve shown for women.

MadisonConservative on April 30, 2010 at 8:22 AM

Liam on April 30, 2010 at 3:02 AM
Really is amazing how little respect you’ve shown for women.

MadisonConservative on April 30, 2010 at 8:22 AM

The $hit is still hitting the fan I see.
Is this why Liam posted getting out on HARP?
Dear God I can see a lot of people on here last night were drinking way too much.

Badger40 on April 30, 2010 at 8:31 AM

Testing the new Hot Air.

Obama is a Fascist.

Seems to work just fine.

riverrat10k on April 30, 2010 at 8:50 AM

The irony is too rich.

MadisonConservative on April 30, 2010 at 8:18 AM

Yeah…and I’m sure he’s to stupid to see it…

ladyingray on April 30, 2010 at 9:05 AM

Wait…Wait…the college kid is calling someone else immature?

Bwahahahahahahaha…I can’t breathe…hahahahahahahaha.

kingsjester on April 30, 2010 at 9:11 AM

ladyingray on April 29, 2010 at 9:20 PM
How about you don’t get in places you shouldn’t be?

Liam on April 30, 2010 at 3:02 AM

Liam on April 30, 2010 at 3:02 AM
How about you don’t tell me what to do…

ladyingray on April 30, 2010 at 7:00 AM

–Liam, why don’t you try to get some sleep instead of posting at 3 a.m.? (I know it had to have been a very difficult week for you, with you mother’s death.)

Jimbo3 on April 30, 2010 at 9:12 AM

My apologies for contributing to the length of the thread, but Dark-Star made a comment that had to be addressed and the ignored the question until shammed into answering it.

That being said, I would like to address one other comment Dark-Star way up thread:

Does this sound familiar?

We are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance

Same mindset?
I would mention who said that, but that would risk Godwinning the thread.
Chip on April 29, 2010 at 11:24 AM

True, and sad. A valid point made by an evil person is still a valid point.
Dark-Star on April 29, 2010 at 11:27 AM

And how did that agenda work out for them?
How did that agenda work out for Lenin, Castro, Chavez, Kim Jong ill,?

Of course, Dark-Star couldn’t answer that, and I wanted to add that Ideas like that can be evil along with certain people.

Chip on April 30, 2010 at 9:28 AM

Liam on April 30, 2010 at 3:02 AM

Liam I didn’t know your mother passed away. My deepest sympathies.
God rest her soul. And prayers up to you & yours.

Badger40 on April 30, 2010 at 9:56 AM

Of course, Dark-Star couldn’t answer that, and I wanted to add that Ideas like that can be evil along with certain people.

Chip on April 30, 2010 at 9:28 AM

Listen Chip- Red-Star hasn’t gotten all the details fleshed out yet.
This is a work in progress.
It’s not for you & I to judge the mind of such a brilliant philosopher.
In fact, I would go so far as to say that we should feel lucky to have been blessed by its presence here.
Imagine that we have been chosen, us lowly HA posters, to receive such wisdom & insight.
It leaves us bcs it feels we are still too stupid & unacculturated to be able to understand this gift it has given us.

You are certainly right about one thing Chip.
There are ideas, as well as people, who are extremely evil.

Badger40 on April 30, 2010 at 9:59 AM

Communist filth really should not belittle people this way. The irony is too rich.

MadisonConservative on April 30, 2010 at 8:18 AM

Right-wing simpletons who know nothing but stereotypes and memorized talking points really should not label people ‘Commie’.

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 10:39 AM

And how did that agenda work out for them?
How did that agenda work out for Lenin, Castro, Chavez, Kim Jong ill,?

You mean the agenda of ‘equality’ that they spouted for PR and didn’t really give a cr@p about, or the agenda of tyranny that they actually stuck to? (worked out dandy for THEM I suppose…everyone else not so much).

But I suppose you couldn’t tell the difference because you’re as dense as a lead brick. They’re no different from the crowd in DC in that they blab about ‘equality’ and ‘fairness’ and ‘job creation’, etc…and only care for themselves. A pseudo-Communist is as phony as a pseudo-Capitalist.

Thing is…Communism and to a lesser degree socialism are doomed to fail on any real scale because almost nobody really believes in them. The fatcat tools who parrot Marxism have as little intention of sharing their toys as the rich man who Jesus challenged. All but the most idealistic young people who SAY they believe in it would go batsh!t insane if they actually had to put their money where their mouth is.

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 10:46 AM

Of course, Dark-Star couldn’t answer that, and I wanted to add that Ideas like that can be evil along with certain people.
Chip on April 30, 2010 at 9:28 AM

Listen Chip- Red-Star hasn’t gotten all the details fleshed out yet.
This is a work in progress.
It’s not for you & I to judge the mind of such a brilliant philosopher.
In fact, I would go so far as to say that we should feel lucky to have been blessed by its presence here.
Imagine that we have been chosen, us lowly HA posters, to receive such wisdom & insight.
It leaves us bcs it feels we are still too stupid & unacculturated to be able to understand this gift it has given us.
You are certainly right about one thing Chip.
There are ideas, as well as people, who are extremely evil.
Badger40 on April 30, 2010 at 9:59 AM

LMAO.
Yes, of course we should cut her/him? Some well-deserved slack – after all, it’s only been around 160 years or so that they’ve been kicking around the whole national Socialism idea, maybe they need another 160 to get it ready for prime time.

Chip on April 30, 2010 at 10:50 AM

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 10:46 AM

Wow! Kind of early in the morning to be spewing the petty insults.
But I can appreciate that when you have no credible argument, one has to fall back on that.

Do you realize that you sound like a Statist?

If that’s the case, maybe you can explain how Obama’s version of Statism will work when every other version has failed?

Chip on April 30, 2010 at 11:00 AM

Right-wing simpletons who know nothing but stereotypes and memorized talking points really should not label people ‘Commie’.

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 10:39 AM

When you’re spouting Marxism, and people recognize it as such, you really should not be quibbling about labels. Communism is Marxism in practice. Marxism on paper is a model, nothing more.

And people ranting about oligarchs should hesitate before whining about stereotypes, and they certainly should refrain from mentioning talking points while blithering about “obscene profits”.

MadisonConservative on April 30, 2010 at 11:01 AM

Thing is…Communism and to a lesser degree socialism are doomed to fail on any real scale because almost nobody really believes in them.

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 10:46 AM

And there it is.

“Communism could work, if people only could do exactly what I told them to do, and think the way I think.”

Yeah, I’m pretty sure Lenin thought the same way.

MadisonConservative on April 30, 2010 at 11:03 AM

All but the most idealistic young people who SAY they believe in it would go batsh!t insane if they actually had to put their money where their mouth is.

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 10:46 AM

That’s because it’s kinda stupid, something they’d soon realize once it’s implemented.

An ideology should be based on the world as it really is as opposed to the world as we wish it could be. Accept and embrace that people are more motivated by their own needs and desires than the desires and needs of their fellow man and you have a chance of getting a system that will work and use those motivations towards positive ends. Pretend that equality is achievable, and you start a war you can’t win.

Esthier on April 30, 2010 at 11:07 AM

“Communism could work, if people only could do exactly what I told them to do, and think the way I think.”

Yeah, I’m pretty sure Lenin thought the same way.

MadisonConservative on April 30, 2010 at 11:03 AM

There remains the problem of the unbelievers though…what to do with them? Are there any examples in history?

Inanemergencydial on April 30, 2010 at 11:17 AM

Wow. Dark-Shadows, the Marxist jackass, came back for more? He’s nothing if not stubbornly ignorant.

nico on April 30, 2010 at 12:08 PM

Mao and Joe Stalin had a cure for the unbeliever problem – they killed them outright or starved them to death. Purges and induced famine. Communism, anyone? How about that little escapade by Pol Pot? North Korea?

LarryG on April 30, 2010 at 12:13 PM

Mao and Joe Stalin had a cure for the unbeliever problem – they killed them outright or starved them to death. Purges and induced famine. Communism, anyone? How about that little escapade by Pol Pot? North Korea?

LarryG on April 30, 2010 at 12:13 PM

But, if Pol Pot was just given the time to flesh his ideas out a little I’m sure he and Dark-Shadows could have avoided the torture rooms and the killing fields.

Sigh. If only we “right-wing simpletons” didn’t stand in the way of progress.

nico on April 30, 2010 at 12:20 PM

Thing is…Communism and to a lesser degree socialism are doomed to fail on any real scale because almost nobody really believes in them. The fatcat tools who parrot Marxism have as little intention of sharing their toys as the rich man who Jesus challenged. All but the most idealistic young people who SAY they believe in it would go batsh!t insane if they actually had to put their money where their mouth is.

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 10:46 AM

Right. And voting on someone’s maximum salary is doomed to fail for similar reasons.

The truth is that no arbitrary limit will provide the flexibility necessary to determine what constitutes “fair” employee compensation. Would you cap movie star wealth as well? What about professional athletes? Or are we just talking about those mean old “obscene” profiteers in the financial sector?

The truth of the matter is that goods and services are worth ONLY ONE THING: whatever someone is willing to pay for them. That is a fundamental axiom. Government can bend that and distort it for a time, but it usually ends poorly for all concerned.

Your entirely arbitrary moral pronouncements are irrelevant.

TheUnrepentantGeek on April 30, 2010 at 12:37 PM

Great horney toads! I leave for a few hours and the barfight is still going on!
unclesmrgol on April 29, 2010 at 8:24 PM

*Breaks chair over unclesmrgol’s back*

But, if Pol Pot was just given the ti-

nico on April 30, 2010 at 12:20 PM

*Hurls Nico out of the front plate glass window onto the street – in slow motion*

Heralder on April 30, 2010 at 12:43 PM

“Communism could work, if people only would do exactly what they were supposed to, and think the way they were supposed to.”

MadisonConservative on April 30, 2010 at 11:03 AM

FTFY.

The latter half is the bigger problem, btw, since it is human nature to be selfish…and partly a holdover from the days when a certain degree of selfishness was a good idea to stay alive.

Thus, Lenin had no more chance of success than he did of going to the moon by flapping his arms.

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 1:18 PM

Right. And voting on someone’s maximum salary is doomed to fail for similar reasons.

Exactly, which is why I never bothered with the fine details.

Your entirely arbitrary moral pronouncements are irrelevant.

TheUnrepentantGeek on April 30, 2010 at 12:37 PM

Ditto for everyone else on the Internet, Einstein.

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 1:20 PM

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 1:18 PM

If you want to prove yourself so useful to man-kind, then kindly flesh out your implementation plan for Marxist theories right here.
Please tell us how we can convince our fellow man to give up everything for the collective.
We are looking to you.
Go ahead.

Badger40 on April 30, 2010 at 1:24 PM

If you want to prove yourself so useful to man-kind, to waste your words on empty-headed wingnuts who will only mock you, whatever you say, then kindly flesh out your implementation plan for Marxist theories right here.
Please tell us how we can convince our fellow man to give up everything for the collective. provide us with more statements to misquote, twist, and apply right-wing stereotypes to.
We are looking to you.
Go ahead.

Badger40 on April 30, 2010 at 1:24 PM

What you’re really saying.

My plan will never be implemented in RL for reasons I’ve repeatedly stated. Thus there’s no point in working on anything but the most basic theory.

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 1:30 PM

*Hurls Nico out of the front plate glass window onto the street – in slow motion*

Heralder on April 30, 2010 at 12:43 PM

*enters room on horseback through plate glass window*

Badger40 on April 30, 2010 at 1:31 PM

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 1:18 PM

How will Obama’s version of Statism will work when every other version has failed?

Chip on April 30, 2010 at 1:31 PM

How will Obama’s version of Statism will work when every other version has failed?

Chip on April 30, 2010 at 1:31 PM

It won’t. But you knew that already, and so does everyone on HA minus loons like Dave and happyfeet.

Your attempt to paint me as an Obamabot is utterly patheticl stick to crayons if that’s the best you can do.

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 1:35 PM

“Communism could work, if people only would do exactly what they were supposed to, and think the way they were supposed to.”
MadisonConservative on April 30, 2010 at 11:03 AM

FTFY.
The latter half is the bigger problem, btw, since it is human nature to be selfish…and partly a holdover from the days when a certain degree of selfishness was a good idea to stay alive.
Thus, Lenin had no more chance of success than he did of going to the moon by flapping his arms.
Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 1:18 PM

So, you are saying that the application of Force is necessary in order for Statism to work?

Because if people are selfish and don’t see “The Greater good”, the government has to compel people to be that way, else the system won’t work?

Chip on April 30, 2010 at 1:36 PM

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 1:18 PM

You just said the same f**king thing I did, but removed the possessives in order that you could make it appear that you don’t think you should be the leader of a communist utopia.

…which you do. Blithely rambling about “do what you’re supposed to do” in a model situation implies that you believe you know what everyone should do. Hence, you believe yourself fit to lead.

So. Did. Lenin.

MadisonConservative on April 30, 2010 at 1:40 PM

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 1:35 PM

Then what are you?

Are you in the Democratic party? A group that is National & Socialist?

Chip on April 30, 2010 at 1:40 PM

So, you are saying that the application of Force is necessary in order for Statism to work?

The application of some level of force (why the capital F btw?) is necessary for any form of civilization.

Obviously, you’ll need more force when the majority of the population doesn’t like the leaders’ idea of what constitutes civilization. And that level is enough force that things get very ugly indeed…

At some point there either has to be a compromise with the population’s will, or one must resort to too much ‘stick’ and too little ‘carrot’. Not something I’d care to do.

Unfortunately we may get a taste of that if Obama eventually backs up his elitist nonsense with force.

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 1:40 PM

My plan will never be implemented in RL for reasons I’ve repeatedly stated. Thus there’s no point in working on anything but the most basic theory.

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 1:30 PM

Why would you open your mouth in the 1st place, then?
And it’s interesting how you feel you are the only one wise enough to be able to evaluate who is twisting things around here.
And you are obviously in the position to slap labels upon us bcs you posess the knowledge that is necessary to weed out the gun-toting hill billies from the right wing wingnuts to the sagely wise Marxist theorists like yourself.
If you think you are ba!!sy enough to spew such rediculous ‘theories’ out here in the 1st place, then you ought to have the ba!!s to back it up w/ some real meat & potatoes solutions on why your ‘plan’ would work.
You keep telling us on here how Marxism has been perverted by those like Stalin & Mao,& that it could work if people really wanted it to, but you’re not giving us any reason to consider why Marxism would really work with anyone else at the helm.
Utopian nonsense based upon the assumption of a perfect man-kind.
Which is your response as to why it won’t work, so forget it.
You have been the one calling names around here & you sir, are full of horse$hit.
Your ‘big words’ & ‘clever ideas’ are nothing more than the greenhorn trying to look like a bad-a$$ in front of the average Joe.
And when you can’t get your point across, you act like the ‘dude’ & insult the petty peasant.
You are lower than the afterbirth of a bovine, sir.

Badger40 on April 30, 2010 at 1:41 PM

Are you in the Democratic party? A group that is National & Socialist?

Chip on April 30, 2010 at 1:40 PM

Hardly; I last registered ‘Independent’.

(although people will likely ignore that and call me one anyway…)

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 1:42 PM

Exactly, which is why I never bothered with the fine details.

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 1:35 PM

Listen, Dip-Sh*t, the fact that the thought of voting on the limitations of someone else’s income popped into your head and didn’t immediately get ruled out as utterly moronic proves what a mental midget you are. The fact that you would even go so far as to post it on the internet proves that you’ve vastly over-rated your candle power.

Arrogant ignorance! Ain’t it grand!

Who gives a crap that you didn’t “bother with the fine details”?

nico on April 30, 2010 at 1:43 PM

which you do. Blithely rambling about “do what you’re supposed to do” in a model situation implies that you believe you know what everyone should do. Hence, you believe yourself fit to lead.

So. Did. Lenin.

MadisonConservative on April 30, 2010 at 1:40 PM

Nicely put.
But Red-Star is too intelligent to understand this.
Only we lowly peasants get it.

Badger40 on April 30, 2010 at 1:44 PM

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 1:40 PM

So, you are saying that the application of force is necessary in order for Statism to work?

Better now?

So is that what you are arguing?

Chip on April 30, 2010 at 1:46 PM

Hardly; I last registered ‘Independent’.

(although people will likely ignore that and call me one anyway…)

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 1:42 PM

This explains a lot.

The fact that you would even go so far as to post it on the internet proves that you’ve vastly over-rated your candle power.
Arrogant ignorance! Ain’t it grand!

Who gives a crap that you didn’t “bother with the fine details”?

nico on April 30, 2010 at 1:43 PM

LMAO!
And people like that think arrogant arrogance is really superior intelligence.
I’ve dealt w/ these people before.
They think they know everything & they know nothing.
But they spend a lot of words & time telling the rest of us everything they don’t know.
Priceless.

Badger40 on April 30, 2010 at 1:47 PM

Priceless.

Badger40 on April 30, 2010 at 1:47 PM

This guy is a stump who thinks he’s a flower.

It’s comical.

nico on April 30, 2010 at 1:51 PM

The fact that you would even go so far as to post it on the internet proves that you’ve vastly over-rated your candle power.
Arrogant ignorance! Ain’t it grand!

nico on April 30, 2010 at 1:43 PM

Posting a legitimate response to a legitimate question is arrogant ignorance to you?

Wow, another insight into the corkscrew-like thought processes of the right.

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 1:52 PM

Obviously, you’ll need more force when the majority of the population doesn’t like the leaders’ idea of what constitutes civilization. And that level is enough force that things get very ugly indeed…

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 1:40 PM

Wow. You really are a tyrant in waiting. Spooky.

MadisonConservative on April 30, 2010 at 1:53 PM

Posting a legitimate response to a legitimate question is arrogant ignorance to you?

Wow, another insight into the corkscrew-like thought processes of the right.

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 1:52 PM

And it just keeps rolling.

And, voting to cap another person’s income is a legitimate response to something? Anything?

What a freakin’ rube.

nico on April 30, 2010 at 1:54 PM

Wow, another insight into the corkscrew-like thought processes of the right.

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 1:52 PM

Give us more prose worthy of Shakespeare.
We just love your insightful jabs!

Badger40 on April 30, 2010 at 1:54 PM

(although people will likely ignore that and call me one anyway…)

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 1:42 PM

I won’t. I’m well aware that the Democrats are too far right for someone of your ilk.

MadisonConservative on April 30, 2010 at 1:54 PM

Wow. You really are a tyrant in waiting. Spooky.

MadisonConservative on April 30, 2010 at 1:53 PM

Didn’t bother to read the rest, or is your attention span too short for that?

At some point there either has to be a compromise with the population’s will, or one must resort to too much ’stick’ and too little ‘carrot’. Not something I’d care to do.

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 1:56 PM

Give us more prose worthy of Shakespeare.
We just love your insightful jabs!

Badger40 on April 30, 2010 at 1:54 PM

How about you try some reading material besides hunting magazines and right-wing blogs? Read a classic novel a month and watch your vocabulary improve.

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 1:57 PM

Read a classic novel a month and watch your vocabulary improve.

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 1:57 PM

It takes you a month to read a novel? Boy, you are a brainiac.

nico on April 30, 2010 at 1:59 PM

Obviously, you’ll need more force when the majority of the population doesn’t like the leaders’ idea of what constitutes civilization. And that level is enough force that things get very ugly indeed…

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 1:40 PM
Wow. You really are a tyrant in waiting. Spooky.

MadisonConservative on April 30, 2010 at 1:53 PM

I read that & about fell off my chair.
Give people enough rope….

And, voting to cap another person’s income is a legitimate response to something? Anything?

nico on April 30, 2010 at 1:54 PM

Why it opened its mouth in the 1st place is pretty revealing.
And then turns around & says the details aren’t fleshed out yet, but still perpetuates that somehow these Marxist ways are a good idea, in theory.
This lunacy boggles my gun-owning hill billy right wingnut mind!

Badger40 on April 30, 2010 at 1:59 PM

It takes you a month to read a novel? Boy, you are a brainiac.

nico on April 30, 2010 at 1:59 PM

That’s a recommended minimum, dumb$hit wingnut.

But now you’re just playing stupid for snark purposes; not even a true dittohead would be able to fail reading comprehension THAT badly.

I read that & about fell off my chair.
Give people enough rope….

And they’ll watch the opposition tie themselves in a logical knot. See previous post.

Why it opened its mouth in the 1st place is pretty revealing.

Yes, it’s revealing that I hoped to have a sensible discussion about a theoretical possibility. Instead I got nothing but knee-jerk reactions, insults, and parroted talking points.

I will remember not to even discuss an academic possibility on HA that doesn’t trigger the Limbaugh response.

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 2:03 PM

Exactly, which is why I never bothered with the fine details.

Oh. So you just enjoy bloviating about the wonders of ideas that you know won’t work?

Ditto for everyone else on the Internet, Einstein.

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 1:20 PM

Which is why I prefer reasoned arguments as a foundation for policy rather than adolescent mewling about how “unfair” it is that some people get paid a lot.

Give it a shot some time, Oppenheimer.

TheUnrepentantGeek on April 30, 2010 at 2:04 PM

Obviously, you’ll need more force when the majority of the population doesn’t like the leaders’ idea of what constitutes civilization. And that level is enough force that things get very ugly indeed…
At some point there either has to be a compromise with the population’s will, or one must resort to too much ’stick’ and too little ‘carrot’. Not something I’d care to do.
Unfortunately we may get a taste of that if Obama eventually backs up his elitist nonsense with force.
Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 1:40 PM

Do you understand that the application of force is the antithesis of Liberty?

Chip on April 30, 2010 at 2:05 PM

How about you try some reading material besides hunting magazines and right-wing blogs? Read a classic novel a month and watch your vocabulary improve.

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 1:57 PM

LOL!
You have no idea who you are talking to.
I read a lot of material, but never have read hunting-mags.
I read geo-scientific & various science journals on a regular basis, + history books from all periods & authors (whether they are ‘right’ or ‘left’ wing) + many other things in regards to agriculture, scientific & political.
I’m am very well versed in a lot of things.
But you go ahead & act like the ‘dude’ & keep spewing your bigoted talking points about me.
If there is ever anyone has accused me of that knows me, one thing they will never be able to say about me is that I am not broadly & well read.
And pray tell what do you consider a ‘classic’ novel?
Marx?
Your idea of what is classic may differ from mine.
You are still full of hor$e$hit, & still a prime candidate for a bovine-afterbirth look-alike.
Foolish, foolish wannabe intellectual.

Badger40 on April 30, 2010 at 2:05 PM

I will remember not to even discuss an academic possibility on HA that doesn’t trigger the Limbaugh response.

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 2:03 PM

It takes some serious chutzpah to say stupid stuff on the Internet and then act surprised when you’re called out for it.

TheUnrepentantGeek on April 30, 2010 at 2:06 PM

It takes you a month to read a novel? Boy, you are a brainiac.

nico on April 30, 2010 at 1:59 PM

That’s a recommended minimum, dumb$hit wingnut.

But now you’re just playing stupid for snark purposes; not even a true dittohead would be able to fail reading comprehension THAT badly.

Oooh. A recommended minimum. LMAO. Why thank you, Miss Marxist Librarian.

nico on April 30, 2010 at 2:08 PM

I will remember not to even discuss an academic possibility on HA that doesn’t trigger the Limbaugh response.

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 2:03 PM

You call the fruitless excercise you’ve been engaged in for 2 days “academic”? I do not think you know what that word means. Being a proponent of a failed ideology, yes…Engaging in an academic pursuit? Hardly.

kingsjester on April 30, 2010 at 2:08 PM

Unfortunately we may get a taste of that if Obama eventually backs up his elitist nonsense with force.
Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 1:40 PM

Do you understand that the application of force is the antithesis of Liberty?

Chip on April 30, 2010 at 2:08 PM

Do you understand that the application of force is the antithesis of Liberty?

Chip on April 30, 2010 at 2:05 PM

Do you understand that ‘Liberty’ does not mean “do whatever the hell you want, where, how, and when you want to?”

You’re idolizing freedom to a degree that the anarchists do!

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 2:09 PM

This guy HAS to go down in the HA annals as one of the biggest jackasses to grace a 2-day thread.

Priceless.

nico on April 30, 2010 at 2:10 PM

You call the fruitless excercise you’ve been engaged in for 2 days “academic”? I do not think you know what that word means. Being a proponent of a failed ideology, yes…Engaging in an academic pursuit? Hardly.

kingsjester on April 30, 2010 at 2:08 PM

I’m not sure if he thinks rehashing a debate about first principles that went stale 200 years ago is really “academic” or if he’s just being contrarian so that he doesn’t have to feel bad about being “one of those stupid wingnuts” his friends or family dislike so much.

TheUnrepentantGeek on April 30, 2010 at 2:11 PM

theoretical possibility
Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 2:03 PM

Is that all you have to offer here?
Theoretical poosibilities, that when they have been attempted ‘theoretically’ have inadvertantly caused the deaths of millions of people.
How can anyne want to philisophically discuss ideas that have caused the misery of billions of people so casually?
Elitist crap comes out of your hole & when we respond to you w/ real life examples of what these ‘theories’ have done to actual human beings, you insult our intelligence by calling us ‘ring wingnuts’, Limbaugh lovers,etc & hold yourself up as a shining example of some ‘super intelligent’ version of man-kind?
You are still full of hor$ehit.

Badger40 on April 30, 2010 at 2:11 PM

Do you understand that the application of force is the antithesis of Liberty?

Chip on April 30, 2010 at 2:05 PM

Do you understand that ‘Liberty’ does not mean “do whatever the hell you want, where, how, and when you want to?”

You’re idolizing freedom to a degree that the anarchists do!

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 2:09 PM

Where did I do that?

When Obama has taken things as far as he can go within Constitutional’ limitations, how is he going to proceed?

The Democratic National Socialist Party has already laid the foundation for going after free-speech – with that be the first area of his attention?

Chip on April 30, 2010 at 2:13 PM

if he’s just being contrarian so that he doesn’t have to feel bad about being “one of those stupid wingnuts” his friends or family dislike so much.

TheUnrepentantGeek on April 30, 2010 at 2:11 PM

My family is mostly center-right to varying degrees, although I can say they’d have no use for the right-wing snarkmeisters on this thread.

I differ from my parents on only a handful of issues; the apple didn’t fall far from the tree.

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 2:14 PM

It takes some serious chutzpah mental illness to say stupid stuff on the Internet and then act surprised when you’re called out for it.

TheUnrepentantGeek on April 30, 2010 at 2:06 PM

It has no freaking clue how absurd everything it’s been saying on this thread really is.
It then says that nothing we say matters bcs we’re all Limbaugh loving, gun-owning, hill billy right-wingnuts.
I could $hit my pants, this is so funny.

Badger40 on April 30, 2010 at 2:14 PM

At some point there either has to be a compromise with the population’s will…

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 1:56 PM

Oh, how gracious of you. Make the government listen to the people a little bit. You’re so benevolent.

MadisonConservative on April 30, 2010 at 2:15 PM

My family is mostly center-right to varying degrees, although I can say they’d have no use for the right-wing snarkmeisters on this thread.
I differ from my parents on only a handful of issues; the apple didn’t fall far from the tree.
Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 2:14 PM

Center-right? If your parents’ political philosophy is like yours, then you do not know what that term means either.

kingsjester on April 30, 2010 at 2:16 PM

Do you understand that ‘Liberty’ does not mean “do whatever the hell you want, where, how, and when you want to?”
Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 2:09 PM

Oh, you mean like crossing the border and staying here illegally?

Chip on April 30, 2010 at 2:16 PM

I differ from my parents on only a handful of issues; the apple lunatic didn’t fall flee far from the tree asylum.

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 2:14 PM

All better.

nico on April 30, 2010 at 2:17 PM

When Obama has taken things as far as he can go within Constitutional’ limitations, how is he going to proceed?

The Democratic National Socialist Party has already laid the foundation for going after free-speech – with that be the first area of his attention?

Anyone’s guess at this point.

I don’t see him having the spine to order the use of force on anything but protests that everyone already knows are totally harmless.*

Then again I’m hardly confident of the right to back up their bluster and bullcr@p with hot lead. If the police forces are paring down their presence because they know nothing is going to happen…that doesn’t exactly speak volumes for their threat potential.

All I know for sure at this point is that our nation is likely to fall off the log it’s been walking on. Wether we fall to the left or the right only time will tell.

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 2:17 PM

Oh, you mean like crossing the border and staying here illegally?

Chip on April 30, 2010 at 2:16 PM

Bingo.

To hear the left weep and wail, that’s the jackboot of force on the neck of Liberty.

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 2:18 PM

Center-right? If your parents’ political philosophy is like yours, then you do not know what that term means either.

kingsjester on April 30, 2010 at 2:16 PM

It’s the closest term I can describe us at the moment. My apologies if it’s a bit inexact.

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 2:19 PM

You’re idolizing freedom to a degree that the anarchists do!

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 2:09 PM

So if the feds force us to make a lower wage, that is civilization at its finest & that those of us who oppose forceful measures to limit our productivity & offronts to our freedom (by violating the Constitution regularly) are anarchists?

although I can say they’d have no use for the right-wing snarkmeisters on this thread.

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 2:14 PM

But you do?
You’re a left-wing snarkmeister. We have no use for you on any thread here at HA.
We welcome real debate, not theoristic academic philosophical crap w/ no redeeming value to it other than to spark off a wave of defenders who are worried about the real state of this nation & where ideas like yours take it.
Your blather is like sitting around wondering what it’d be like to kill your family-oh you wouldn’t flesh out the details, you just want to sit around & ‘discuss’ its merits.
You are a lunatic.
Anyone who can say that depriving people of their ‘freedoms’ is theoretically a good thing & then turn around & tell us we’re anarchists, gun-toting hill billies & Limbaugh citers, hunting-magazine readers, right wingnuts, ill-read etc. is a nutcase.

Badger40 on April 30, 2010 at 2:20 PM

It’s the closest term I can describe us at the moment. My apologies if it’s a bit inexact.

Wow. You are still describing your family as a political unit? Making you what? 20? 22?

Why don’t you wait until you have some effing experience before you start voting a cap on what other people can make through the strength of their efforts?

nico on April 30, 2010 at 2:22 PM

Oh, how gracious of you. Make the government listen to the people a little bit. You’re so benevolent.

MadisonConservative on April 30, 2010 at 2:15 PM

It’s not like our founders cared about the rights of the minority getting infringed upon by the majority.
You gotta convince people that this stuff is good for them.
Bcs when you’re too free, you’re an anarchist.
Guess I’m only twisting the words bcs that surely isn’t what it meant there.

Badger40 on April 30, 2010 at 2:23 PM

Why don’t you wait until you have some effing experience before you start voting a cap on what other people can make through the strength of their efforts?

nico on April 30, 2010 at 2:22 PM

Yeah…I get the feeling he’s never been in a situation where he’s been on his own and had the choice to work as hard as he wanted for the life he wants.

MadisonConservative on April 30, 2010 at 2:25 PM

When Obama has taken things as far as he can go within Constitutional’ limitations, how is he going to proceed?
The Democratic National Socialist Party has already laid the foundation for going after free-speech – with that be the first area of his attention?

Anyone’s guess at this point.
I don’t see him having the spine to order the use of force on anything but protests that everyone already knows are totally harmless.*
Then again I’m hardly confident of the right to back up their bluster and bullcr@p with hot lead. If the police forces are paring down their presence because they know nothing is going to happen…that doesn’t exactly speak volumes for their threat potential.
All I know for sure at this point is that our nation is likely to fall off the log it’s been walking on. Wether we fall to the left or the right only time will tell.
Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 2:17 PM

Umm, you can’t be serous about that, can you?

The fact is that the Left – the direction of Statism in all in many splendid forms – is the venue of the application of force.

The larger the government gets, the smaller the individual becomes.

Chip on April 30, 2010 at 2:26 PM

If the police forces are paring down their presence because they know nothing is going to happen…that doesn’t exactly speak volumes for their threat potential.

Dark-Star on April 30, 2010 at 2:17 PM

What are you referring to here?
RIFs in police foreces across the nation? Or somewhere in particular?

Badger40 on April 30, 2010 at 2:26 PM

Anyone who can say that depriving people of their ‘freedoms’ is theoretically a good thing & then turn around & tell us we’re anarchists, gun-toting hill billies & Limbaugh citers, hunting-magazine readers, right wingnuts, ill-read etc. is a nutcase.

Badger40 on April 30, 2010 at 2:20 PM

I subscribe to National Review, am a former marine, own 4 shotguns, and am currently reading: “An Empire of Their Own: How the Jews Invented Hollywood” by Neal Gabler.

I guess I just suck.

nico on April 30, 2010 at 2:27 PM

Yeah…I get the feeling he’s never been in a situation where he’s been on his own and had the choice to work as hard as he wanted for the life he wants.

MadisonConservative on April 30, 2010 at 2:25 PM

Academic elitist wannabe intellectualist.
That’s what I’m getting vibes of.
Reads the ‘classics’ at home in his armchair, all the while improving his vocabulary with such gems as Limbaugh (wahwahwah), hill-billy, right-wingnuts, [insert any DailyKos vitriol].
Uses his increased knowledge & vocabulary to then lecture us on the real values of Marxism.

Badger40 on April 30, 2010 at 2:31 PM

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