Another Pelosi Easter egg in ObamaCare: IRS mandate on business
posted at 10:55 am on April 29, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
Remember this?
Cato’s Chris Edwards has found another of Nancy Pelosi’s surprises in ObamaCare, and this one’s a doozy. We have already noted the strange assignment of health-insurance approval to the IRS, an agency with no expertise in the field whatsoever. Now it appears that the IRS will have to hire a lot more people to track an avalanche of paperwork, too:
Most people know about the individual mandate in the new health care bill, but the bill contained another mandate that could be far more costly.
A few wording changes to the tax code’s section 6041 regarding 1099 reporting were slipped into the 2000-page health legislation. The changes will force millions of businesses to issue hundreds of millions, perhaps billions, of additional IRS Form 1099s every year. It appears to be a costly, anti-business nightmare.
Under current law, businesses are required to issue 1099s in a limited set of situations, such as when paying outside consultants. The health care bill includes a vast expansion in this information reporting requirement in an attempt to raise revenue for an increasingly rapacious Congress.
This comes from claims routinely made by Congress that businesses dodge their tax liabilities through fraud. Even if one accepts that premise, the cost of collection to both the IRS and the economy eventually meets a point of diminishing returns, if you’ll pardon the pun. Where does that point lie? I’d guess well above the threshold set by the new law, emphasis mine:
The 2010 Health Care Act adds “amounts in consideration for property” (Code Sec. 6041(a) as amended by 2010 Health Care Act §9006(b)(1)) and “gross proceeds” (Code Sec. 6041(a) as amended by 2010 Health Care Act §9006(b)(2)) to the pre-2010 Health Care Act categories of payments for which an information return to IRS will be required if the $600 aggregate payment threshold is met in a tax year for any one payee. Thus, Congress says that for payments made after 2011, the term “payments” includes gross proceeds paid in consideration for property or services.
That means any time a business pays any one entity $600 or more in a year, they will have to create a 1099 to file with the IRS. That means that the businesses have to get all of the tax information for every vendor, provide separate accounting for every payee, and then send the forms to both the IRS and the payees at the end of every year — as the payees do the same with their vendors, and so on. Edwards puts the scope in context:
For the $14 trillion U.S. economy, that’s a hell of a lot of 1099s. When a business buys a $1,000 used car, it will have to gather information on the seller and mail 1099s to the seller and the IRS. When a small shop owner pays her rent, she will have to send a 1099 to the landlord and IRS. Recipients of the vast flood of these forms will have to match them with existing accounting records. There will be huge numbers of errors and mismatches, which will probably generate many costly battles with the IRS. …
Private transactions are the core of a market economy, and the source of America’s growth and prosperity. Now the federal government is imposing a vast new web of red tape on perhaps billions of these growth-generating private exchanges.
And they did it as part of a health-care bill. Instead of directing capital towards growth-stimulating efforts, Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats just buried the private sector in an avalanche of compliance costs.
Update: Attorney and HA reader Meric1837 sends this clarifying note:
What you didn’t explicitly say in it is the big change is that businesses have to file 1099s with other businesses. Before you didn’t have to file with corporate entities. I had to read the CATO story to get that out of it, but that’s the killer. The line about “And for the first time, 1099s are to be sent to corporations” should be quoted, highlighted, and made clear. Not everyone in the comments seem to understand that because 1099s are required for a wide range of transactions but it’s the change to inter-corporation transactions that will cause the explosion in compliance costs. It’s pretty technical, but for small businesses, technicality matters.









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The System…..is working….
ted c on April 29, 2010 at 10:58 AM
Yay! See, wingnuts? This is how government “helps” the economy.
The Democrats “saved” “health care!”
Bow down and be grateful, America!
Good Lt on April 29, 2010 at 10:59 AM
heck of a job Nazi….errrrr NANCY!
SDarchitect on April 29, 2010 at 11:01 AM
It’s all about gathering information on the American people, similar to the Stasi, as well as controlling people & business. There will be so many failures to comply — completely inadvertent — that the IRS will be able to come in and either pursue criminal or civil charges, or force a government friendly “settlement” on the person or business.
Not outright take over of business, which would be socialist, but control of private business, which is fascist.
rbj on April 29, 2010 at 11:01 AM
This is how they’ll justify the 16,000 new IRS agents.
eaglewingz08 on April 29, 2010 at 11:02 AM
Smart power at its best!
truetexan on April 29, 2010 at 11:03 AM
Must See TV:Dems Honor Mitt Romney with an Attack Ad
dnlchisholm on April 29, 2010 at 11:03 AM
Good thing they passed that bill to see what was in it.
DrAllecon on April 29, 2010 at 11:04 AM
ummm… Businesses already have this $600 threshold to file 1099s. What’s new here? Either this post is screwed up, or I don’t understand what it says. (no jokes please)
faraway on April 29, 2010 at 11:05 AM
can’t hire more IRS if there is no funding
Hellpig on April 29, 2010 at 11:06 AM
Good god! Repeal it! That’s the only way to save this country from a depression.
AUINSC on April 29, 2010 at 11:06 AM
Just another reason why this coming November, and 2012 are so important to the future of our Republic!
GFW on April 29, 2010 at 11:06 AM
OK, would any Democrats reading this like to jump in and explain how this anti-business nuclear weapon helps provide millions of people with healthcare insurance???
Aitch748 on April 29, 2010 at 11:06 AM
The 0bama regime and his progressive party is at war with American business – this is just another shot.
They don’t just want single-payer for healthcare – they want single payer everything.
Rebar on April 29, 2010 at 11:08 AM
Of course the cost for this massive red tape nightmare will be passed onto the consumer … making everything even more costly.
People will simply not be able to afford anything but bare subsistence. Many businesses will bite the dust … unemployment will skyrocket (to use a favorite Obama term).
Progressivism in action.
darwin on April 29, 2010 at 11:10 AM
It is true that Democrats think that all businesses make profit through fraud and why is that…. it is because only criminals think like criminals. Timmy ‘the tax cheat’ – need I say more….
uber-con on April 29, 2010 at 11:10 AM
It’s saying if you buy $600 of product from Staples, you need to send them and Uncle Sam a 1099 to record that economic activity.
ConstantSorrow on April 29, 2010 at 11:11 AM
SHUT UP, YOU RACIST.
Does that help?
Good Lt on April 29, 2010 at 11:11 AM
Ummm, that is not an Easter egg in that punchbowl.
barnone on April 29, 2010 at 11:12 AM
How is this environmentally friendly or green?….
PatriotRider on April 29, 2010 at 11:12 AM
Businesses will now break down payments into $599 installments.
darwin on April 29, 2010 at 11:13 AM
In the name of all that is good and kind, would you PLEASE find another picture of Pelosi to use? The lady behind her…I don’t know, but it creeps me out.
varnson on April 29, 2010 at 11:13 AM
Because democrats are doing it.
darwin on April 29, 2010 at 11:13 AM
The adults are in charge!
ladyingray on April 29, 2010 at 11:14 AM
…more like the chocolate bar in the pool…Caddyshack…
PatriotRider on April 29, 2010 at 11:14 AM
If we spend $600 at Staples on supplies (who doesn’t?), does this thing mean we send Staples a 1099?
EconomicNeocon on April 29, 2010 at 11:14 AM
As ConstantSorrow says, it’s not the threshold ($600) that changed. It’s the type of transaction that can trigger the condition. They basically removed all options so that all transactions, not just a subset, that met the threshold need 1099s.
It’s a nightmare regulatory practice.
Scott H on April 29, 2010 at 11:14 AM
Anybody who has a small business knows that the paper work and taxes is a real pain in the butt and wastes a huge amount of uncompensated time. You just know that Pelosi and Obama don’t have a clue what real working people face nor do they care. I hate these creeps.
Blake on April 29, 2010 at 11:14 AM
I know! She looks like a Vulcan who missed her seven year mating ritual.
darwin on April 29, 2010 at 11:15 AM
That’s Leonard Nimoy.
ConstantSorrow on April 29, 2010 at 11:15 AM
So if my husband’s little two person business buys a refrigerator from Sears, he will have to research Sears and fill out a form and then send his info to Sears?
So that’s why they needed shotguns.
Lily on April 29, 2010 at 11:15 AM
Follow this to the logical conclusion. If your utility companies are for-profit you would send them a 1099. How about your local grocer? How about your local gas station?
Total joke!
cacpa on April 29, 2010 at 11:15 AM
If you are in any way a business, the answer is yes. I’m not sure if private citizens need to do this.
Scott H on April 29, 2010 at 11:15 AM
It’s time to stop accepting orders from socialist scum. Businesses should just point blank refuse to comply with this. Let them prosecute us all – the IRS will collapse under the weight. CLoward and Piven these Marxist basturds right back in their faces!
Sharke on April 29, 2010 at 11:17 AM
Just say ‘thank you’, you ungrateful bastards.
Midas on April 29, 2010 at 11:17 AM
Wonder if that includes charities. I don’t see that it specifically excludes them. So say if my company makes a donation of items or cash valued at more than $600 to Goodwill, Salvation Army, my kids school, a church yard sale, etc., does my business then have to 1099 them? It may not be taxable, but this puts the IRS in the driver’s seat to make that determination. Bottom line is you still have to do the paperwork.
If so, this will deter that sort of giving as well.
wordsmithy2009 on April 29, 2010 at 11:17 AM
I just paid over $600 for some work done to my home. Does that mean the contractor has to send me a form?
darwin on April 29, 2010 at 11:18 AM
And the economy is supposed to recover with these types of National Socialist schemes percolating in the wings?
Here’s a good slogan for the Democratic National Communists: We screwed it up, so only We know how to fix it.
Chip on April 29, 2010 at 11:18 AM
I don’t think those 16,000 new IRS agents are going to be enough.
mgman on April 29, 2010 at 11:20 AM
Related parody: Democrats Introduce 12,000-Page Bill to Solve Problems Caused by Previously-Passed 2,500-Page Bill
Mervis Winter on April 29, 2010 at 11:20 AM
So, I was thinking about starting a home business, making lotions, candles, stuff like that – just something to keep me busy when the twins go to school in the Fall. Am I understanding this correctly – if over the course of the year, I buy $600 worth of raw materials from the local craft store, I’d have to send them a 1099? That doesn’t make much sense, seeing how I’d be a smaller business entity than anyone I was buying from. It also seems to discourage loyalty – I’d hit up a variety of places to avoid tripping the $600 limit if I had to, which also means I might not always get a good deal.
Or, I might just shelve the idea all together. I don’t want a lot of hassle, I just want to be able to have a little fun and make a little spending money.
Anna on April 29, 2010 at 11:21 AM
So now congress has to file a 1099 for the amount of liquor they buy on the average airline flight?
Mr Snuggle Bunny on April 29, 2010 at 11:21 AM
Correct me if I’m wrong, but does this mean over $600. per year?
sicoit on April 29, 2010 at 11:22 AM
It means you have to send them one.
lorien1973 on April 29, 2010 at 11:22 AM
And one to the government. A summary form, probably.
(forgot)
lorien1973 on April 29, 2010 at 11:23 AM
And if every business in the United States collectively (they like that concept) refused to do this???
…that’s what I’m hoping for. One big giant push back of defiance!
katy on April 29, 2010 at 11:23 AM
This is exactly how the BATF operates now with regards to firearms dealers. The amount of paperwork that is required to actually sell a gun is enormous and error prone. The BATF preys on dealers who make clerical errors and issues huge fines for each error.
Johnnyreb on April 29, 2010 at 11:23 AM
I should add that I’m also hoping that Ehrlich gets re-elected here in MD. This state is already quite small business unfriendly due to O’Malley, this will just make things worse.
Anna on April 29, 2010 at 11:23 AM
Saw this coming a mile away. Surprised the threshold is $600 though, figured it would be lower.
1099 abuse is rampant. It’s how illegals get paid (not sure how those companies are going to figure their way out of that) and it’s how tax dodging private citizens get out of paying taxes.
Owning a few businesses and one being a roofing business in the past, I know for a fact the construction industry relies heavily on subcontractor fraud to shave costs. When this comes to pass, expect commercial construction costs to skyrocket.
ButterflyDragon on April 29, 2010 at 11:23 AM
Good news for paper companies.
Are they Democratic donors?
AZCoyote on April 29, 2010 at 11:24 AM
Oh F^&K…….
Yes, if I read this right.
sonofdy on April 29, 2010 at 11:24 AM
Nor do they have the room…
http://dailycaller.com/2010/04/29/federal-landlords-look-for-office-space-to-host-ever-increasing-obama-health-care-staff/
katy on April 29, 2010 at 11:25 AM
Yeah. Businesses are already required to send a 1099 to people they pay over $600, unless that business is incorporated (and you have their FEIN). I assume this removes the “unless” requirement. You just have to send forms out to everyone now, instead.
It’s silly and superfluous as any incorporated business is just going to throw them away upon receipt, cuz they aren’t necessary for anything.
lorien1973 on April 29, 2010 at 11:25 AM
Currently, you need a W-9 from payees for payments over $600 for things like commercial rent and consulting services. I’m not sure about thresholds for 1099s.
Anyway, it’s to the advantage of whomever is making payments to report that they’ve been made so the $ come off their bottom line. I don’t wee why we need more layers of paperwork – unless they have something else in mind for the transaction – like additional taxes.
forest on April 29, 2010 at 11:26 AM
I don’t disagree with any criticisms already registered, but I want to offer some criticism of the GOP.
I understand that this was complex legislation, some of it slapped together at the last minute. But I don’t understand why GOP House and Senate staffs didn’t carve this f***ing thing up and dissect it. Let’s see, the GOP has 40 senators and, say, 170 representatives, 210 in all. So 210 staffs couldn’t divide up the 2,500 or so pages (say, 12 to 15 pages an office) for careful scrutiny and discussion?
The Dems have no excuse, but the GOP should have rooted out this kind of thing before enactment. This will be an enormously burdensome reporting requirement. The compliance costs will be enormous. We’ll never know how much it would have cost in disapproval, but I bet it would have been worth something. Small business will hate this. And the sense that the federal goverment is truly becoming Big Brother is overwhelming.
Oh well. Put it in the pile for November. But I still don’t understand why the GOP didn’t uncover this kind of thing before.
BuckeyeSam on April 29, 2010 at 11:26 AM
Sure, sure…it’s ok for the feds to require business to perform this onerous, pointless task…but how dare Arizona ask people for identification!!!!
atlgal on April 29, 2010 at 11:26 AM
What? I have to send them one? WTF? I guess under the table cash payments are going to be pretty popular in the future.
darwin on April 29, 2010 at 11:26 AM
Well, you see it helps to, er, um, identify those companies that, um, um, may employ people, but are not, um, complying with the healthcare mandates for their, um, employees by making, um, er, other companies responsible for, um, reporting those they do business with. Yeah, yeah, reporting your clients to the IRS…yeah, that’s it.
/libspeak
wordsmithy2009 on April 29, 2010 at 11:27 AM
Ain’t BIG GUB’MINT wondeful?
Fletch54 on April 29, 2010 at 11:27 AM
Thats just some of it.
fourdeucer on April 29, 2010 at 11:27 AM
I think I was a little hasty in my earlier post. We should all suspend judgment, at least until crr6 gets here to explain to us why this is all perfectly fair and reasonable. I’m sure her extensive entrepreneurial background will offer us a level of insight we would otherwise have missed.
Sharke on April 29, 2010 at 11:28 AM
This is the beginning of the new economy. The Black Market Economy.
katy on April 29, 2010 at 11:28 AM
Yeah, I guess. Somehow I doubt this rule applies to individuals, though. It’d be impossible to manage.
Normally the person who writes the check sends the 1099. Not the recipient. The 1099′s idea is to keep independent contractors honest in their income reporting. As you have to file the 1099′s with the government as well.
lorien1973 on April 29, 2010 at 11:29 AM
I just paid over $600 for some work done to my home. Does that mean the contractor has to send me a form?
darwin on April 29, 2010 at 11:18 AM
If you are going to deduct the cost of having the work done then I guess you will have to get a 1099 and send it to him, the irs and keep a copy for your records.
What a deal, I wonder if the jerks that wrote the law have stock in companies that make the 1099′s ??????
BILLIONS of them.
ColdWarrior57 on April 29, 2010 at 11:29 AM
100,000 new IRS employees and government union members?
Does anyone out there think that our economy can withstand the constant assault by our government?
GaltBlvnAtty on April 29, 2010 at 11:29 AM
heh..heh..that’s exactly what I was thinking.
sicoit on April 29, 2010 at 11:29 AM
I’m not surprised by this. If you want to gain control over the private economy, then you need to know what every one is doing in that economy.
It doesn’t matter that it’s impossible to make sense of or have enough information to efficiently control it.
The market distortions and unintended consequences of stealing your liberty will be used to justify even more control over your economic life. Making you poorer and less self sufficient is a feature, not a bug.
RadClown on April 29, 2010 at 11:30 AM
Headaches and red tape (for small business) helps speed your inevitable transition to working for the government. The sooner your present employer gives up, and locks his doors, the sooner you can get on with your new regulatory duties. Have a nice day.
RBMN on April 29, 2010 at 11:31 AM
I was just curious, I’m yet to see any mention on here about the ever growing oil slick off the Gulf of Mexico.
It is happening, right? Not something made up by the ‘lamestream media’ is it?
dr_duke09 on April 29, 2010 at 11:31 AM
–Michael Medved, Bill Bennett and the rest of the Salem Comm gang.
james23 on April 29, 2010 at 11:32 AM
No more free coffee in the office.
journeyintothewhirlwind on April 29, 2010 at 11:33 AM
Do we need to fill out a 1099 for the IRS? FICA? the County? the State? Fire district?
I have already sent them more than $600 this year.
barnone on April 29, 2010 at 11:33 AM
That is completely insane – they are requiring that ALL private transactions be recorded with the government. I could MAYBE understand this in the context of labor – hiring independent contractors etc, but for the purchase of goods?
holdfast on April 29, 2010 at 11:34 AM
What happens if you spend $600 on 1099 forms? Send one to NanZi, one to Dingy, and one to B+.
I taped a copy of that photo to the scarecrow in the garden. It scared the birds away, but the plants all started dying.
GnuBreed on April 29, 2010 at 11:34 AM
For sole proprietors and individuals, their Tax Identification Numbers are their social security numbers.
Won’t it be awesome to have millions of forms floating around with you SS number on them? What could go wrong?
And if they don’t have the number and form a business needs to do tax withholding on the payment. I think we’re getting to the bottom of things here.
forest on April 29, 2010 at 11:34 AM
I. WILL. NOT. COMPLY.
Come put me in the reeducation camp now if you want, you fascists.
turfmann on April 29, 2010 at 11:34 AM
They had to pass the bill to find out what was in it.
Lily on April 29, 2010 at 11:34 AM
It was probably eco-terrorists that did this so no, you won’t see it much of it until the commies need it to sell the “Green Energy” agenda.
Rigs don’t just explode.
katy on April 29, 2010 at 11:34 AM
No but if you were a business you would have to send him the form
Ann on April 29, 2010 at 11:35 AM
Is this a chance to swamp the IRS?
fluffy on April 29, 2010 at 11:35 AM
+100
katy on April 29, 2010 at 11:35 AM
Accountant’s Retirment Act – cha ching!
Ann on April 29, 2010 at 11:36 AM
For those interested;
* estimated 4200 barrels a day of oil being pumped into the ocean
* Oil slick estimated to be 20 – 30 miles away from the Louisianna coast
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100429/ap_on_bi_ge/us_louisiana_oil_rig_explosion
dr_duke09 on April 29, 2010 at 11:36 AM
“But I still don’t understand why the GOP didn’t uncover this kind of thing before.”
It may well have been in the
fix” package that came out 2 days prior to the “vote”
mgman on April 29, 2010 at 11:37 AM
I’d say this is just a pay off to intuit and other accounting software providers. To make this change would require a forced upgrade on all of these programs; as they currently comply with current 1099 laws.
lorien1973 on April 29, 2010 at 11:39 AM
I don’t think anyone is gonna rally around “companies have to send out another piece of paper” LOL.
lorien1973 on April 29, 2010 at 11:39 AM
Cash transactions are on the up, at least here in New York. Everyone I know who’s in business tells me that they’re doing as much cash business as possible. I’m having more new clients ask me if they can skip the sales tax by paying cash. You attack people’s livelihoods, they’ll simply do what they can to fight back.
Sharke on April 29, 2010 at 11:40 AM
I was doing some non-profit work in Eastern Europe a few years ago and when I bought products or services I often had to pay a third more if I wanted an official receipt.
ConstantSorrow on April 29, 2010 at 11:40 AM
Who was it that said; “When they come for you, aim for the face because they are probably wearing body armor.”?
Oh yeah that was G. Gordon Liddy.
That may be a tad extreme but, I think there will be a peaceful tax rebellion just around the corner.
“RIGHT PEOPLE AINT GONNA TAKE IT NO MO!”
TheSitRep on April 29, 2010 at 11:44 AM
No. This is exactly what they’re tackling by changing the law. They’ve closed the loop. No business is going to eat the cost of labor. They’re going to figure out a way to claim the expense.
Basically this change throws everybody under the bus.
ButterflyDragon on April 29, 2010 at 11:45 AM
Excuse me, but WHAT is that thing behind Pelosi? Is that a ringer they brought in to make Pelosi look passable?
D2Boston on April 29, 2010 at 11:48 AM
I have no confidence in our citizenry to make the necessary INFORMED decisions. Which is what the demoncrats count on. I am so disillusioned.
screwauger on April 29, 2010 at 11:48 AM
Think of the Obamacare bill as a bag. Obama, Pelosi and Reid say it is a bag of candy, and it is free. We should all be GRATEFUL they are giving us this bag of candy.
But beyond generalizations, they don’t tell you much about the candy. In fact, they actively CONCEAL what is actually in the bag. San Fran Nan goes so far as to tell us we have to wait until after they give us the bag of candy to see what kind of candy is in the bag.
Now we are opening the bag, and there is damned little candy in it. But there are plenty of bills and turds. So what little candy is there isn’t free, and it is befouled with (insert Levin’s favorite vulgarity).
Who could have predicted it? I know I’m stunned.
novaculus on April 29, 2010 at 11:49 AM
And they did it as part of a health-care bill.
See also: The Takeover of the Student Loan industry. In the same bill as well!!!
This and the use of reconciliation is why the Senate should Filibuster until the end of the session. America’s socialist party has no shame.
joeindc44 on April 29, 2010 at 11:49 AM
Probably a pre-cursor to the VAT.
If they can track all the transactions, they can TAX all the transactions.
Vancomycin on April 29, 2010 at 11:51 AM
Ah, that reminds me…
*calls broker*
Midas on April 29, 2010 at 11:54 AM
Literally what I logged in to type. This is setting up the VAT which taxes everything down the pipeline from production to consumer. How can they tax it if they can’t “see” it?
acleaver on April 29, 2010 at 11:54 AM
RE: Post photo of Queen Nancy
Why is Nancy Pelosi hanging out with Perry Farrell?
forest on April 29, 2010 at 11:55 AM
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