Video: Orszag explains how ObamaCare imposes rationing
posted at 8:48 am on April 27, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
Not that any of this comes as a surprise to those who paid attention to the ObamaCare bill, of course. I wrote about the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB) twice in December, first when the CBO scored the bill as a $130 billion deficit reduction, and the second time just before the passage of ObamaCare by the Senate. In both posts, I noted how the IPAB was set up specifically as a rationing system, which ObamaCare advocates denied, but which none other than OMB Director Peter Orszag confirms in this interview from earlier this month, caught by Naked Emperor News for Breitbart TV:
If anything, Orszag might be underestimating the difficulty in changing the IPAB’s decisions on rationing. The bill required a supermajority of 67 votes in the Senate to override the IPAB, which made Jim DeMint irate and prompted a big “I told you so” from Sarah Palin. As I wrote at the time, based on information from a Capitol Hill source:
The bill sets up a supermajority threshold of 67 votes to bring accountability to [IPAB] decisions, and the rule on being in or out of order can get waived at 60 votes. However, as this battle shows, even getting to 60 is almost an impossibility, let alone 67. Clearly [Harry] Reid wants to put accountability out of reach with these radical propositions.
ObamaCare is a rationing system, and the IPAB will be one of the key drivers for that rationing. If you don’t believe me, just listen to Orszag.
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Well, the video has been removed from Blip.tv… so if you’ve sent it to anyone, they will not be able to see it. The only way to get this message out is to send it from Breitbart, or Hot Air. FYI
ooonaughtykitty on April 27, 2010 at 11:19 AM
And by “inexplicable rationalizations” you mean “failure to pay premiums” and “lying on your application about pre-existing conditions.”
You really are a fool who eats up Democrat talking points like it’s the elixir of life.
uknowmorethanme on April 27, 2010 at 11:19 AM
I am pushing that solution with her. You know, people who work 2 jobs dread that solution.
What I was shocked about, and again I note nobody is commenting on the real issue, is that she went through the proper channels and got turned down for bc.
*blink*
What a state policy. How nuts is that.
AnninCA on April 27, 2010 at 11:19 AM
I disagree. Why the hell should I pay to bailout MA, as an example, because RomneyCare is devastating the state. Leave my state alone! We’ll fix it ourselves.
ladyingray on April 27, 2010 at 11:20 AM
Y’know, when I read a lot of the arguments in this thread, I’m agreeing with AnnInCA more than I’m disagreeing.
What we have in this country doesn’t work very well, it’s got a lot of points of friction, we have some health insurers whose underwriting practices are indefensible, and we’ve allowed a system to develop where pretty much any kind of preexisting or chronic condition almost down to a hangnail renders you uninsurable outside a large group plan.
But Obamacare throws out the baby with the bath water.
JEM on April 27, 2010 at 11:20 AM
Well, I don’t know who “they” are, but if I’m reading you correctly, “they” are dropping coverage of people, not denying claims. So which is it? They are not the same thing.
Aquateen Hungerforce on April 27, 2010 at 11:21 AM
Maybe she should just stop having sex then.
ladyingray on April 27, 2010 at 11:22 AM
Get ready.
I’m about to “share” here.
Post 1 on Wellpoint, the gem in the private insurance industry for profits.
http://www.insideindianabusiness.com/newsitem.asp?id=34698
Oh my, even the AMA doesn’t like them.
AnninCA on April 27, 2010 at 11:23 AM
–If the coding was done wrong by the doctor, it can be denied. And you said that non-payment and falsification of the application were the only two ways people can be denied coverage. There are more.
Jimbo3 on April 27, 2010 at 11:23 AM
As usual you responded with evasive generalities when you responded at all.
DarkCurrent on April 27, 2010 at 11:25 AM
I strongly favor free markets, but I object to the use of the word “ration” as a scare tactic against socialized medicine. I would far, far prefer “rationed” socialized medicine than the removal of the caps on spending that the Obamacare forced on the insurance companies. And by the way, couldn’t one call those caps “rationing”.
There are much better arguments against Obamacare, than this meaningless scare tactic.
thuja on April 27, 2010 at 11:25 AM
–If your plan requires pre-approval, the patient will normally have to pay for the service out of pocket.
Jimbo3 on April 27, 2010 at 11:25 AM
Whoa….Wellpoint defends outrageous hikes.
From ABC, no less:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fire-health-insurance-rate-hikes-wellpoint-court-defend/story?id=9912290
AnninCA on April 27, 2010 at 11:25 AM
Since the AMA loves ObamaCare, this is only a plus for Wellpoint.
ladyingray on April 27, 2010 at 11:26 AM
So, the IAPB is now more powerful than Congress? Power and control…that’s what ObamaCare is all about.
d1carter on April 27, 2010 at 11:27 AM
Back in the 90s, SCOTUS heard a case where a person’s health insurance was outright canceled by the insurer, though the person hadn’t reached his maximum dollar amount of coverage.
SCOTUS ruled in favor of the insurance company–a government imposition on contracts.
Remember now, liberals love that big-government thing.
Now they have more of it. When the rationing does kick in, it’s going to be bigger and worse than what they call ‘rationing’ now by insurance companies.
I’m amazed how the Left is just fine with all the ugly details that are coming out about this law. Face it, you libs as we’ve been trying to tell you all along: It’s a BAD law! It doesn’t fix a single thing; it doesn’t even reach its stated goals. It’s so flawed there are going to be bills and Congressional battles to ‘fix’ it. If it was so great in the first place, it shouldn’t need fixing, should it?
And now it’s considered ‘derogatory’ to call it ObamaCare? Now why is that the case, if this law is so wonderful?
Liam on April 27, 2010 at 11:27 AM
Whoa, the Heartland protests…..Indiana protests, are you ready? 136% increase in premiums.
Wellpoint has a lock on thttp://www.wishtv.com/dpp/health/Protesters_rally_against_WellPoint_20090922he entire state.
AnninCA on April 27, 2010 at 11:27 AM
Yes, and what I said is true. You seem to be claiming that non-coverage for things specifically designed not to be covered constitutes some kind of “denied coverage,” a truly mind-boggling thought. You know, my HCI doesn’t pay for my gas, I guess they are denying me coverage!
Aquateen Hungerforce on April 27, 2010 at 11:28 AM
Ah… the genius of that. If it fails at the state level, let’s make take it national!
I realized you were an idiot the time I spent a hour teaching you how to quote comments, but I really didn’t realize how big an idiot.
DarkCurrent on April 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM
Well, well…….this may explain those high profits, eh?
AnninCA on April 27, 2010 at 11:30 AM
It’s really very easy to understand:
Instead of “lifetime caps” on individuals, there will be a government “annual cap” on health care expenses dictated by the current budget. The DEATH PANELS will decide whether you get your health care based on how “worth it” they think you are.
You would know all this if you had bothered to READ THE BILL!!!
(Better not get sick, AnninCA: you are now a drain on the Federal budget, and your demands must be weighed against those of Big Labor, Big Business, Democrat Re-Election Slush Funds, Enviro-Wackos, etc. And you are a known CO2 emitter.)
landlines on April 27, 2010 at 11:30 AM
Now, I’ve officially “hijacked” the thread. LOL*
Until now, I was actually discussing.
Want more?
AnninCA on April 27, 2010 at 11:30 AM
What is going on with Obamacare is well beyond your intellectual ability.
Americannodash on April 27, 2010 at 11:32 AM
That’s a terrible story. What makes you think a “Medicare for All” bureaucrat would not have made the same decision as Wellpoint?
Aquateen Hungerforce on April 27, 2010 at 11:32 AM
http://worldofdtcmarketing.com/files/b8fb7024c453c1d9a876e763f6cbc81c-997.html
Awwww…..they are raking in record profits, but it’s your DOCTOR’S fault. :)
AnninCA on April 27, 2010 at 11:35 AM
http://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/case/price-fixing-case-will-cost-wellpoint-10-million-to.html?ref=rss
Oh, look. Wellpoint settles with NY over price-fixing with Cuomo.
AnninCA on April 27, 2010 at 11:37 AM
More? *hehe
6,000 more stories to share. :)
AnninCA on April 27, 2010 at 11:39 AM
When Granny’s sent home with some pills in a plastic bag
Hurrah! Hurrah!
Obama will give her a hearty high five then
Hurrah! Hurrah!
The Emanuels will cheer, the Kevorkians will shout
The eugenicists they will all turn out
And the old folks will all be dead by Christmas time next year!
Get ready for the Ezekiel Emanuel Jubilee
Hurrah! Hurrah!
He’ll give Herr Obama three times three
Hurrah! Hurrah!
The Doctor of Life and Death degree is ready now
To place upon Herr Obama’s Godly brow
And he will feel so happy and gay
When Pallbearers carry Grandma and Grandpa to the funeral home
Cheshire Cat on April 27, 2010 at 11:39 AM
Round about the cauldron go
In the poisoned entrails throw
Fillet of Kevorkian snake
In the cauldron boil and bake
Eye of Frank and toe of Ezekiel frog
Wool of kosbat and tongue of Mengele dog
Red State democrats hide and blind-bureaucrat sting
Chris Matthew’s tingling leg and White House far left wing
Maw of ravening tax shark
Root of Pelosi hemlock digged in the dark
Cheshire Cat on April 27, 2010 at 11:42 AM
What’s your beef with WellPoint? Sounds like it is something personal. Or is this company the new target of Organizing for America?
My sister has worked for WellPoint for 17 years. It has been very good to her, supporting her through a serious chronic illness and disability, allowing her to work part-time until she could return to fulltime, giving her generous raises and bonuses, and moving her to other positions that were less stressful (her illness is exacerbated by stress.) Now she is terrified that her job will be eliminated because of demagogues like you who are unfairly attacking the company because it is successful. HBer illness is getting worse because of this new stress. She has a lot of her retirement savings in WellPoint stock too. She is 55 and single, with no kids to support her when she gets old.
Why do you want my sister to lose her job and her savings?
rockmom on April 27, 2010 at 11:43 AM
You seem to have missed the very basis of your own complaints: Inneffective government. Ponder that before advocating ever more government control.
Resolute on April 27, 2010 at 11:43 AM
AnninCA, please address this directly. It’s a cornerstone.
rogerb on April 27, 2010 at 11:44 AM
What is being revealed today assures us all that it must be repealed starting today. There is no need to wait any longer. The sooner it happens the better for all of us in the end. We have democrat congress members who are unfamiliar with our U.S. Constitution. They must be voted out of office and strripped of their benefits. Crime and corruption should not pay while an elected official, it should be prosecuted accordingly.
Americannodash on April 27, 2010 at 11:44 AM
Of course, Andrew Cuomo never attacks a company unfairly. And innocent companies never settle with a powerful state AG to avoid spending millions on litigation.
rockmom on April 27, 2010 at 11:45 AM
The insurance commissioner in California is elected. Almost all of them have been liberal Democrats, going back several decades. Are you suggesting that a liberal Democrat was bought by insurance companies?
rockmom on April 27, 2010 at 11:48 AM
Not if the physician/hospital is responsible for getting the pre-approval.
ladyingray on April 27, 2010 at 11:49 AM
Heh. I remember that. She still can’t do them half the time.
ladyingray on April 27, 2010 at 11:52 AM
Want more?
Or should we switch to Blue Cross now?
AnninCA on April 27, 2010 at 11:53 AM
O/T…
Wonder why there’s no AZ story today? It’s the big news, actually.
AnninCA on April 27, 2010 at 11:54 AM
I wish I had BC right now…
ladyingray on April 27, 2010 at 11:55 AM
You can cherry pick anecdotes all day.
But rather than waste our time with that, why don’t you tell us as specifically as possible what your ideal solution is?
Specifically.
DarkCurrent on April 27, 2010 at 11:58 AM
http://www.boston.com/business/healthcare/articles/2010/03/01/group_sues_anthem_blue_cross_over_policy_changes/
Oh look, it’s not just Wellpoint.
AnninCA on April 27, 2010 at 11:59 AM
http://www.boston.com/business/healthcare/articles/2010/03/01/group_sues_anthem_blue_cross_over_policy_changes/
Ah, here comes the boot!
AnninCA on April 27, 2010 at 12:00 PM
Please address ladyingray’s 11:22am “Maybe she should just stop having sex” comment.
rogerb on April 27, 2010 at 12:01 PM
Ah yes, and here’s the now infamous 39% increase that catapulted HCR for Obama.
http://blogs.findlaw.com/law_and_life/2010/03/anthem-blue-cross-sued-by-consumer-watchdog.html
AnninCA on April 27, 2010 at 12:02 PM
Ann doesn’t believe in personal responsibility like paying for your own doctor visits, or paying for your own prescriptions, or going to the County clinic, or not having sex…she wants the government to pay for this woman to be able to have sex.
ladyingray on April 27, 2010 at 12:03 PM
Brave New World. Loving democrats that hate the rule of law, disposing of nuisance citizens…
Inanemergencydial on April 27, 2010 at 12:04 PM
You lost me. BC has an obligation to give customers the type of coverage they want at the price they want? Yeesh.
Are you one of those HCI is a “right” types?
Aquateen Hungerforce on April 27, 2010 at 12:05 PM
Explain how the state of MA is going to be able to afford RomneyCare with the courts refusing to allow the insurance companies to increase premiums due to increased healthcare costs? Won’t this result in fewer claims being paid? Won’t this create even more rationing of care?
ladyingray on April 27, 2010 at 12:05 PM
Sex is a God-given instinct. I simply don’t even relate to those who actually suggest otherwise.
It’s called a drive for a reason.
And that has virtually NOTHING to do with my own reaction to Medicare, which refused a woman a basic prescription for birth control.
And I’ve not yet seen a reasonable response to that outrage. It should not be hard. After all, it’s the essence of government control.
Unbelievable.
But it’s very clear and discouraging that the right isn’t one whit more sensible than the left.
Both sides rather like the control, I guess.
*blech* to both sides.
AnninCA on April 27, 2010 at 12:05 PM
She is a liberal to the bone, trying to convince you that she is “independent” or “moderate”.
*LOL
ladyingray on April 27, 2010 at 12:06 PM
*blech* is my response every time I see your name tagged under what can only be an insincere, purposefully misleading, idiotic quote.
STFU nazi.
Inanemergencydial on April 27, 2010 at 12:07 PM
Folks, I officially hijacked the thread for real. I’m not even reading your responses at this stage, other than one.
I’m just posting story after story that supports what I’ve tried to paraphrase about the insurance company practices that led to a virtual uprising by the public in the election.
Today, nobody likes Obamacare. But don’t make the mistake that means they liked the status quo.
No, people are simply terribly disappointed with the outcome.
We need REAL solutions.
AnninCA on April 27, 2010 at 12:08 PM
The first private insurance policy I had didn’t cover birth control – and I was married. I had to go to the County Health Department or pay for it myself. Your friend is no better than me. She can pay for it herself also.
ladyingray on April 27, 2010 at 12:08 PM
Pray tell. What are your REAL solutions?
ladyingray on April 27, 2010 at 12:09 PM
You’re forgetting the Golden Rule of Anecdotes, Ann: they’re ONLY valid and worth considering if one is using them to support the popular opinion.
And that goes for both sides!
Dark-Star on April 27, 2010 at 12:09 PM
Speaking of granny being sent home with a plastic bag of pills–well, scratch the pills.Already, in the ER granny and gramps are given about 7 minutes of time and left to find their own way back to the parking lot with only a form asking for an evaluation of their treatment there. However, the return envelope does have a stamp on it so that’s 44 cents of savings(however it may be included in the bill?). The only time this treatment changes is if you might possibly drop dead in the hallway and that really, really looks bad–so someone might help out. At least this was my experience with a sprained foot last week. So now I’m told that it’s going to get worse? Is that possible?
jeanie on April 27, 2010 at 12:09 PM
And your nonsense isn’t any type of a real solution.
No, we’re not going to return to an era when people bite down on a bullet and ask their wife to pull out the bullet. LOL*
Jeesh*, what a bunch of goofballs.
AnninCA on April 27, 2010 at 12:10 PM
Are you sure? Her friend might be a liberal in incapable of doing something on her own.
gwelf on April 27, 2010 at 12:10 PM
I love the libs response to this – which seems to be “hey, insurance companies can deny you coverage now, so the fact that gov’t is going to be rationing care and denying coverage is no big deal.”
Ummm, o.k. How does this absolve you all and your boss, Obama, for the blatant lies that the gov’t would NOT RATION HEALTH CARE?
Also, in what world do you trust government to make better and more efficient decisions than the market? Your response appears to be – better the gov’t make these decisions than the free market, b/c we trust the gov’t as the benevolent, loving, caring, wonderful, wise and generous benefactor that is always has been and always will be.
Are you serious? Do you really believe that health care rationing will be better under the gov’t beauracracy than under the free market? What evidence is there of this being true in any situation?
The rationalization for why obamacare was necissary and will somehow be good is really, really, really inconsistent and silly.
Monkeytoe on April 27, 2010 at 12:10 PM
What’s unbelievable is that you can easily come up with anecdotes like this yet still think a public option would be better than private.
At 10:30 I asked you why you thought government could ration care more efficiently and fairly than the private sector. That was one of the many specific questions you didn’t address.
DarkCurrent on April 27, 2010 at 12:11 PM
Which the GOP has provided (several of). And this thread is littered with many suggestions about how to make things better.
Screaming that things are bad and pushing for a government provided ‘solution’ isn’t the only way to go about this.
gwelf on April 27, 2010 at 12:11 PM
Ass. You really are a moron aren’t you Ann? Why do you believe it is the gov’t's job to take care of you?
Monkeytoe on April 27, 2010 at 12:12 PM
Sorry. I thought that, since she can’t afford birth control, this was a financial discussion. Let me rephrase:
Please address ladyingray’s 11:22am “Maybe she should just stop having sex” comment (begin edit) as it relates to your friend’s financial/insurance difficulties (end edit).
rogerb on April 27, 2010 at 12:12 PM
FIFY
DarkCurrent on April 27, 2010 at 12:13 PM
+1
ladyingray on April 27, 2010 at 12:13 PM
Shall we explore Blue Shield?
About 5,000 articles on them.
AnninCA on April 27, 2010 at 12:15 PM
Thank you.
ladyingray on April 27, 2010 at 12:15 PM
Shall we have your REAL solutions?
ladyingray on April 27, 2010 at 12:16 PM
might as well abandon the thread to Arianna HuffintoninCA to see how many consecutive posts it can make.
LOL*
Inanemergencydial on April 27, 2010 at 12:18 PM
She works 2 jobs and works with her child nightly on his reading like nobody else I’ve ever met.
This is the type of remark that earns right-wingers the well-deserved reputation of being “mean.”
I don’t think everyone who can’t afford to go to a doctor is “trash.”
And I don’t respect any party or group who suggests that’s the case.
If that makes me a liberal, so be it.
I respect real people, for real efforts, and I listen to what’s really going on in their lives. This woman loathes taking handouts. She is the epitome of someone who should have taken handouts, and she gave to the local charity for gifts for kids. She refused to take a single gift.
She felt bad for those who had less. I had to talk like mad to get her to understand that she and her son were very worthy of those gifts.
So bite your tongue. Quit being mean.
AnninCA on April 27, 2010 at 12:19 PM
Again, please address ladyingray’s 11:22am “Maybe she should just stop having sex” comment (begin edit) as it relates to your friend’s financial/insurance difficulties (end edit).
rogerb on April 27, 2010 at 12:20 PM
What part of my response did you not understand?
And what’s up with you right-wingers not liking sex, anyway?
That baffles me, frankly.
AnninCA on April 27, 2010 at 12:22 PM
Your the one who originally painted her as helpless and clueless.
gwelf on April 27, 2010 at 12:22 PM
Can she afford a box of condoms?
DarkCurrent on April 27, 2010 at 12:24 PM
Who said “right-wingers” don’t like sex? We just choose to be personally responsible for our “drive”.
What’s up with you left-wingers not liking personal responsibility, anyway?
That baffles me, frankly.
ladyingray on April 27, 2010 at 12:25 PM
Awwww*
See, another direct question. However, you used up your chips.
Nope, not going there with you, bud.
Of course, I have an answer.
But alas, you blew real conversation potential.
Ditto for Lady.
She flirts.
And then she does the same.
Both of you go to the corner and talk to each other.
AnninCA on April 27, 2010 at 12:28 PM
You didn’t respond as it related to the conversation, specifically her financial concerns over your anthropological concerns. Now that we’re back on topic, can you think of a solution that you could introduce within the next ten minutes and that she could employ today which empowers her and immediately solves her “birth control is too expensive” problem?
rogerb on April 27, 2010 at 12:31 PM
Some of our trolls seem to be slipping out of character a tad. Sensing agression?
jeanie on April 27, 2010 at 12:31 PM
disingenuous blathering fool.
I really have a hard time believing you’re not a Democrat.
DarkCurrent on April 27, 2010 at 12:31 PM
–You know that most companies are required by law to make reasonable accomodations to people with serious health problems and other disability-like issues under the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990: http://www.eeoc.gov/policy/docs/accommodation.html
Jimbo3 on April 27, 2010 at 12:33 PM
–My insurance plans have always put that responsibility on the patient. Almost all do.
Jimbo3 on April 27, 2010 at 12:35 PM
I know this is off topic, but why nothing about the Arizona immigration law, protests, etc?
Seems to me HA would be inviting 1,000′s of posts with such an important and HOT topic.
Ed? AP? Anybody?
Sweet_Thang on April 27, 2010 at 12:36 PM
Maybe we can get Ann to drop the F-bomb again so she’ll be banned at long last.
Liam on April 27, 2010 at 12:36 PM
“Flirts”?????
ladyingray on April 27, 2010 at 12:38 PM
You see, AnninCA is a concern troll and when you confront her with reality she doesn’t like it.
gwelf on April 27, 2010 at 12:40 PM
–Think about how much less fun this would be if some of us were banned. You’d all be echo chambers of each other. This site would get dull pretty quickly. Be careful of what you ask for.
Jimbo3 on April 27, 2010 at 12:43 PM
Dull? Repetitive maybe, but not dull. Circular backpatting has a certain kind of charm to it…
Dark-Star on April 27, 2010 at 12:50 PM
Yeah, conversing with insincere agitators is an enriching experience.
Inanemergencydial on April 27, 2010 at 12:50 PM
AnninCA -
That’s alot of smarm.
Now make a LOGICALLY VALID argument for govt-run healthcare over private insurance considering these facts:
FACT 1: Govt healthcare denies MORE CLAIMS than private insurers. (see page 4 of the doc.)
FACT 2: Govt healthcare costs MORE PER PERSON than private insurers.
IOW: Govt-run healthcare DENIES MORE CLAIMS and COSTS MORE than private insurers.
Anytime now.
rvastar on April 27, 2010 at 12:52 PM
I’m not sold on ObamaCare because of its high costs (doubtless higher than the projections) and Rube Goldberg structure. Still, I think Ann is right to point out the misdeeds of some major insurers.
I have an Assurant health policy. Just recently I learned that Assurant has engaged in the same rescission practices as Wellpoint. As one example, Assurant “targeted HIV-positive policyholders for rescission” and ended up paying “millions of dollars in settlements.”
http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2010/04/22/wellpoint-recissions-reuters/
As I understand it, state laws do not allow a policy to be rescinded after one or two years of coverage (it varies by state), but for those first one or two years you are effectively at the mercy of the company.
They do not cancel your policy *only* for nonpayment or undisclosed preexisting conditions. They will cancel on almost any pretext if your medical problem is deemed too costly. Both Assurant and Wellpoint operated on the principle that their customers had no effective legal recourse. They miscalculated and lost in court, but who knows how many other companies are getting away with the same practices?
ObamaCare is a mess, but let’s not pretend the status quo is working well. It’s not.
sauropod on April 27, 2010 at 12:54 PM
Indeed. But we’re really up a tree now…the present solution makes the original problem look like heaven, and is being painted as such. -.-
Dark-Star on April 27, 2010 at 12:56 PM
I tend to agree, but the exhilaration at seeing it happen would more than compensate on a short-term basis. And there are always more trolls.
DarkCurrent on April 27, 2010 at 12:57 PM
Hopefully, you won’t ever be unconscious.
ladyingray on April 27, 2010 at 1:00 PM
Yes, trolls are easily found.
ladyingray on April 27, 2010 at 1:03 PM
Actually, Jim, it’s not a debate with someone who comes here only to muck up the place, cause frustration by obfuscation, changing the subject, and all else the trolls do. For them, coming here is basically a blood-sport.
While my intolerance for liberals finds you a pain sometimes, at least you have a brain. I think you’re wrong about your beliefs, which is fair from your side, too, about my views.
Most trolls here are pains just for its own sake. Or they’re nuts, like AnninCA seems. Getting those people banned, or to leave on their own, would enhance HA. By the same token (NOT being racist with that word), more libs with intelligence would be enjoyable. Maybe with such liberals we can all come to a common ground and solve the problems facing America.
While I disagree with you about 99% of the time, you’re not someone I would call a troll.
Liam on April 27, 2010 at 1:04 PM
Still baffles me how Orszag could land a hottie like Bianna Golodryga.
pain train on April 27, 2010 at 1:04 PM
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