James Carville’s polling firm: Absolutely no bounce whatsoever from ObamaCare

posted at 6:11 pm on April 27, 2010 by Allahpundit

I’m with Karl on this. As gratifying as it is to see the idiotic nutroots predictions about a post-ObamaCare surge in enthusiasm proved wrong, this all but guarantees yet another mind-numbing O-Care talking-points national tour for The One. All they have to do is change the script from “It’s only been a week!” to “It’s only been a month!” and they’re good to go.

We still do not know how this story ends. We could be at the beginning of a new, six-month chapter with voters growing more invested in the country’s current course and shifting their thinking about the issues and stakes. Or we could be locked into this current chapter as a final one full of angry citizens determined to cast their votes against Washington, the elites, Democrats and government. There is some evidence the former is possible, if the president and Democrats throw themselves behind emergent trends, though there is even more evidence for the latter ending.

Health care’s passage did not produce even a point rise in the president’s approval rating or affection for the Democratic Congress. Virtually every key tracking measure in April’s poll has remained unchanged, including the Democrats’ continued weakness on handling of the economy. Both parties are equally reviled, reflected in their lowest ratings in history, while voters want to punish those in power – for the partisan bickering, bailing out the undeserving, government spending, the deficit, and the endless gridlock over health care while people struggled to survive the jobs crisis. With independents even more conservative and Republican-leaning in this survey, the congressional battle in 2010 looks like a dead-heat at best – a 12-point swing in this poll from 2008.

The new lefty spin via David Corn: If they hadn’t passed O-Care, Democratic enthusiasm would be even worse than it is now. Which is a nifty argument insofar as it’s completely unprovable. But here’s something new from Gallup worth considering. I ask you — how much worse could it be?

enthus

“Very enthusiastic” voters aren’t a perfect proxy for likely voters, but if you were wondering why The One is suddenly cutting videos to rally his base, now you know. To put this in perspective for you, compare the numbers for this year and 1994:

enthus2

Note to Gallup: Next time you poll this, make sure to provide crosstabs on how things have changed, or not changed, since the health-care law that saved America passed last month. There’s bloggy gold in them thar hills. Exit question: When will support for repealing O-Care finally hit 60 percent among likely voters? Over/under is six weeks.


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Crash and burn, baby.

Fletch54 on April 27, 2010 at 6:14 PM

If David Corn says it, believe the opposite.

d1carter on April 27, 2010 at 6:15 PM

Of course it didn’t. It was a bad idea. It was unpopular. The only people who supported it were in the tank anyway.

Merovign on April 27, 2010 at 6:15 PM

It went from the Great Depression to a Jobs Crisis.

ButterflyDragon on April 27, 2010 at 6:16 PM

The new lefty spin via David Corn: If they hadn’t passed O-Care, Democratic enthusiasm would be even worse than it is now. Which is a nifty argument insofar as it’s completely unprovable.

Nothing is quantifiable to these people. It’s all lollipops and rainbows.

You can’t make zealots like David Corn or Ezra Klein look at metrics rationally they would defend Obama if he nuked the White House.

tetriskid on April 27, 2010 at 6:17 PM

My goodness.

Terrye on April 27, 2010 at 6:18 PM

He’ll get a BOUNCE in 2012 … When we bounce his azz back to Chicago!

Tony737 on April 27, 2010 at 6:18 PM

Look at that conservative to liberal split. 80 seats or bust!!! make 94 look like a love tap!!

MyImamToldMeToDoIt on April 27, 2010 at 6:20 PM

It’s weird that his numbers wouldn’t go up from cramming a bill most of the country hates down our throats in true Chicago fashion.

BadgerHawk on April 27, 2010 at 6:22 PM

Waterloo!

Vigilante on April 27, 2010 at 6:23 PM

Here we go trying to apply logic to insane individuals.

If they could go forward after Scott Brown’s win in Mass. they don’t care about anything.

Stephanie on April 27, 2010 at 6:26 PM

But didn’t everyone hear? The Tea Party is manufactured Astroturf. Some smart lady at one of those paper thingies said so so it must be true. \sarc

andy85719 on April 27, 2010 at 6:27 PM

Forced purchase not popular?

Inanemergencydial on April 27, 2010 at 6:27 PM

Whatever side you were on, there was something very unseemly about the Dems celebrating their partisan jam-down. I think that turned a lot of people off.

RBMN on April 27, 2010 at 6:27 PM

Tony737 on April 27, 2010 at 6:18 PM

ha ha ha

sonnyspats1 on April 27, 2010 at 6:28 PM

This doesn’t matter because Obama doesn’t care. He’s physically told us he’d rather shove legislation through during a single term instead of central-governing for two. There is no reading between the lines when he says that.
 
Watch for “family” or “health” excuses reasons right before the big 2012 campaign cycle to allow him to step down without being voted out.

rogerb on April 27, 2010 at 6:28 PM

The bounce is coming.

SouthernGent on April 27, 2010 at 6:28 PM

He’ll get a BOUNCE in 2012 … When we bounce his azz back to Chicago!

I like your way of thinkin’ lol

golfmann on April 27, 2010 at 6:29 PM

“Or we could be locked into this current chapter as a final one full of angry citizens determined to cast their votes against Washington, the elites, Democrats and government.”

You just might be on to something there, Champ…

Seven Percent Solution on April 27, 2010 at 6:29 PM

The new lefty spin via David Corn: If they hadn’t passed O-Care, Democratic enthusiasm would be even worse than it is now.

He means that Obamacare has created or saved several points’ worth of Democratic enthusiasm.

Emperor Norton on April 27, 2010 at 6:31 PM

SerpentHead is awish’n!!

canopfor on April 27, 2010 at 6:32 PM

Heh heh heh

gophergirl on April 27, 2010 at 6:33 PM

this all but guarantees yet another mind-numbing O-Care talking-points national tour for The One.

Yes, but (channeling Martha Stewart) that’s a good thing. Better he’s on the road gabbling away than in DC doing even more to destroy the country.

Rosmerta on April 27, 2010 at 6:34 PM

No wonder they’ve invented a new crisis.

JammieWearingFool on April 27, 2010 at 6:35 PM

It’s weird that his numbers wouldn’t go up from cramming a bill most of the country hates down our throats in true Chicago fashion.

BadgerHawk on April 27, 2010 at 6:22 PM

I know right? This might be some kind of right wing deal, those darn righties must have infiltrated Carville’s propaganda arm polling business.

JusDreamin on April 27, 2010 at 6:35 PM

He’ll get a BOUNCE in 2012 … When we bounce his azz back to Chicago!

Tony737 on April 27, 2010 at 6:18 PM

Tony737:H*ll yes,and an Amen!:)

canopfor on April 27, 2010 at 6:35 PM

Obama is like Silly Putty. Made for children, stretchy on the truth, only absorbs information if it is on a paper and will bounce high at the end of its term!

upinak on April 27, 2010 at 6:36 PM

Ran into an old neighbor in Wal Mart today; we lived next door to one another for years, our kids played together and we had a really good relationship. We sold during the housing boom and moved a few miles away. Well, lo and behold, she’s unemployed, boyfriend’s unemployed and God Bless her son he is 21 and working 2 jobs and going to community college. She mentioned our National case of B.O. She is not pleased… AT ALL.

Oh, did I mention she’s black, too?

Key West Reader on April 27, 2010 at 6:37 PM

Speaking of bouncing,

AC/DC – Big Balls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YUuyzQDmjY

canopfor on April 27, 2010 at 6:37 PM

Obama is like Silly Putty. Made for children, stretchy on the truth, only absorbs information if it is on a paper and will bounce high at the end of its term!

upinak on April 27, 2010 at 6:36 PM

Now there’s a thread winner and a QOTD!!!!

Key West Reader on April 27, 2010 at 6:38 PM

Selling Out the American People, just not paying off like it used to ;)

Dr Evil on April 27, 2010 at 6:38 PM

No wonder they’ve invented a new crisis.

JammieWearingFool on April 27, 2010 at 6:35 PM

They try to reinvent the wheel.

upinak on April 27, 2010 at 6:38 PM

Not yet another tour for the TOTUS !!

J_Crater on April 27, 2010 at 6:39 PM

Tony737 on April 27, 2010 at 6:18 PM

That would be good.
Better would be to jail
Best would be to jail after impeachment prior to 2012.

chemman on April 27, 2010 at 6:39 PM

Watch for “family” or “health” excuses reasons right before the big 2012 campaign cycle to allow him to step down without being voted out.

rogerb on April 27, 2010 at 6:28 PM

I’ll take “feigned illness” for $100, Alex!

Key West Reader on April 27, 2010 at 6:40 PM

If they hadn’t passed O-Care, Democratic enthusiasm would be even worse than it is now.

Obama’s campaign slogan for 2012:

“If it weren’t for me things would suck even worse.”

Dee2008 on April 27, 2010 at 6:41 PM

I’ll take “feigned illness” for $100, Alex!

Key West Reader on April 27, 2010 at 6:40 PM

Cancer is the most lied about illness there is.

upinak on April 27, 2010 at 6:41 PM

Is it too early to p*ss on his ashes, or at least on a photo of BHO?

madmonkphotog on April 27, 2010 at 6:41 PM

Obama is like Silly Putty. Made for children, stretchy on the truth, only absorbs information if it is on a paper and will bounce high at the end of its term!

upinak on April 27, 2010 at 6:36 PM

And makes one hell of a mess when not contained.

tru2tx on April 27, 2010 at 6:42 PM

If they hadn’t passed O-Care, Democratic enthusiasm would be even worse than it is now.

And if they hadn’t passed the stimulus, unemployment would be over 8%………

Vashta.Nerada on April 27, 2010 at 6:46 PM

upinak on April 27, 2010 at 6:41 PM

I’m thinking along the lines of Male PMS, man caused migraines, post precedential stress disorder, teleprompter disease. Something light, easy and feminine in nature.

::evil snicker:::

Key West Reader on April 27, 2010 at 6:46 PM

In other words the American citizens are not as stupid as you thought we were dems

unseen on April 27, 2010 at 6:46 PM

Carville must be a racist.

Dingbat63 on April 27, 2010 at 6:47 PM

tru2tx on April 27, 2010 at 6:42 PM

okay so:

Obama is like Silly Putty. Made for children, stretchy on the truth, only absorbs information if it is on a paper, makes a hell of a mess when not in it’s egg shaped bubble container and will bounce high at the end of its term!

upinak on April 27, 2010 at 6:47 PM

God Bless her son he is 21 and working 2 jobs and going to community college. She mentioned our National case of B.O. She is not pleased… AT ALL.

Oh, did I mention she’s black, too?

Key West Reader on April 27, 2010 at 6:37 PM

Key West Reader:I still say,that a lot of A/Americans were
hoping that Obama was going to put them on
easy street,as in,elect me,and I’ll help you
and so far,Team Obama has let them down!

And,I still say that BackLash is com’n!!:)

Exhibit”A”
================

Obama Is Going To Pay For My Gas And Mortgage!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

canopfor on April 27, 2010 at 6:47 PM

The new lefty spin via David Corn

Easy, stomach!

(Runs to bathroom)

Del Dolemonte on April 27, 2010 at 6:48 PM

All they have to do is change the script from “It’s only been a week!” to “It’s only been a month!” and they’re good to go.

Yeah. I hear people saying, “It’s only been a little over a year. Give the guy a chance!”

Um…. no. He’s only made things worse. This juvenile administration is a nightmare – bubble gum snapping teenagers who need to stay in Mom’s basement or preferably Daley’s military controlled provincial hell hole.

As far as the health care debacle goes I guess they were hoping for that “dead cat bounce.” It’s a trading term that refers to shorts covering. It means nothing in terms of legislation that was DOA.

Cody1991 on April 27, 2010 at 6:50 PM

The truth does have it’s effect. Even the Obama-commie can’t lie his way out of it anymore.

tarpon on April 27, 2010 at 6:50 PM

All they have to do is change the script from “It’s only been a week!” to “It’s only been a month!” and they’re good to go.

With same results. Pinocchio in Chief has been found out and the country goes “lala…cadence…la, la…cadence….I…la,la…we, lalalalalal”

NO one hears a word he says. He is a Liar. Period.

Schadenfreude on April 27, 2010 at 6:50 PM

I really don’t think the current occupant in the White House really gives a damn about polls or a bounce. He has the power, and he’s going to use it to whatever end he has in mind (crr6 swoons at the thought of Obama crushing opposition to his Marxist agenda).

darwin on April 27, 2010 at 6:51 PM

ALL SYSTEMS NORMAL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE BOW OF THE LIBEAL TITANIC,THAT IS UNDER THE WATER
IS NORMAL,PLEASE RETURN TO YOUR DEMOCRAT STATEROOMS!!
(snark).

canopfor on April 27, 2010 at 6:52 PM

One reason why no one believes a word this nauseating Liar in Chief says.

Schadenfreude on April 27, 2010 at 6:54 PM

Ugh,thats Liberal,not Libeal!crap.

canopfor on April 27, 2010 at 6:56 PM

Obama Is Going To Pay For My Gas And Mortgage!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36×8rTb3jI

canopfor on April 27, 2010 at 6:47 PM

LOL! Who could ever forget our dear Peggy Joseph. But, my neighbor is just a hard working single mom, her mom was a teacher and her grandmother also lived with them till she passed. Her son was a gem, straight A student, played football and he’s trudging along.

I think there are a lot more folks in our Country who just want to work hard, earn a decent living and be left alone.

Obama was a lie, is a lie and will always be a lie. In the great words of The Who: “We Won’t Be Fooled Again”!

Key West Reader on April 27, 2010 at 6:57 PM

One reason why no one believes a word this nauseating Liar in Chief says.

Schadenfreude on April 27, 2010 at 6:54 PM

All those stupid white folks. Must be Gibbs’ extended family.

Cody1991 on April 27, 2010 at 6:58 PM

One reason why no one believes a word this nauseating Liar in Chief says.

Schadenfreude on April 27, 2010 at 6:54 PM

OMG, look at the sweetie in the read sweater. She’s just looking. Nobody is smiling.

I wonder who was holding up the signs:

“Clap Now”
“Stand Up”
“Clap Now”
“Make a Woot Sound”
“Lady in the third row, faint now”

/what a fuggin fraud.

Key West Reader on April 27, 2010 at 7:00 PM

Obama was a lie, is a lie and will always be a lie. In the great words of The Who: “We Won’t Be Fooled Again”!

Key West Reader on April 27, 2010 at 6:57 PM

I dunno. Remember how that little ditty ended?
“Meet the new boss – same as the old boss…”

ROCnPhilly on April 27, 2010 at 7:01 PM

upinak on April 27, 2010 at 6:47 PM

Perfect!

;^)

tru2tx on April 27, 2010 at 7:01 PM

One reason why no one believes a word this nauseating Liar in Chief says.

Schadenfreude on April 27, 2010 at 6:54 PM

Schadenfreude: Yup,seeding the audience,and its apparent
Obama is making sure,there are no hecklers!!

Transparency my *ss!:)

canopfor on April 27, 2010 at 7:02 PM

I dunno. Remember how that little ditty ended?
“Meet the new boss – same as the old boss…”

ROCnPhilly on April 27, 2010 at 7:01 PM

Oh, of course. But this time, I think our campaign slogan should not be “Hope” or “Change” but “Now We Know”

Key West Reader on April 27, 2010 at 7:04 PM

He’ll get a BOUNCE in 2012 … When we bounce his azz back to Chicago!

Tony737 on April 27, 2010 at 6:18 PM

Best comment of the day, any blog. Hahaha.

jdflorida on April 27, 2010 at 7:05 PM

I think there are a lot more folks in our Country who just want to work hard, earn a decent living and be left alone.

Obama was a lie, is a lie and will always be a lie. In the great words of The Who: “We Won’t Be Fooled Again”!

Key West Reader on April 27, 2010 at 6:57 PM

Key West Reader: Forgive me if I painted your neighbour in
the wrong light,ahem,—————-:)

canopfor on April 27, 2010 at 7:09 PM

I love how liberals are wondering why they aren’t getting a bounce from passing a bill America hates.

Chuck Schick on April 27, 2010 at 7:10 PM

By popular demand
===================================

Wont Get Fooled Again -The Who

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp6-wG5LLqE

canopfor on April 27, 2010 at 7:11 PM

Obama’s campaign slogan for 2012:

“If it weren’t for me things would suck even worse.”

Dee2008 on April 27, 2010 at 6:41 PM

You’re joking(I think), but I’ve been saying that for months. His 2012 campaign will be one for the ages. It’ll literally be him claiming that everything would’ve been worse had he not been President and that electing a Republican will be a return to the era of George W. Bush.

Doughboy on April 27, 2010 at 7:24 PM

canopfor on April 27, 2010 at 7:11 PM

canopfor – Maybe the “1″ has a “Loss of Control”
Van Halen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iotqohL6E5w

yoda on April 27, 2010 at 7:26 PM

George W. Bush.

Doughboy on April 27, 2010 at 7:24 PM

Miss Me Yet?

upinak on April 27, 2010 at 7:26 PM

I predict a 9 seat pick up in the Senate and a 90 seat pick up in the House. This will be a tsunami, an earthquake of historical proportions. But the electoral tsunami will not end on November 2, 2010. Why? Because Obama will still be in office and he will still be the pathetic, lying, lightning rod with which to rally the faithful to the polls. In 2012, it will still be horrible for the Dems with the Repubs picking up an additional 8 seats in the Senate and another 15 in the House. The tsunami will continue…

WordsMatter on April 27, 2010 at 7:29 PM

I love how liberals are wondering why they aren’t getting a bounce from passing a bill America hates.

Chuck Schick on April 27, 2010 at 7:10 PM

Yeah, what happened to that 10 points overnight if teh bill gets passed. What did he get besides a dead cat bounce of one maybe two points.

bluemarlin on April 27, 2010 at 7:40 PM

Corn’s spin is worthy of Global warming logic.

rob verdi on April 27, 2010 at 7:50 PM

November can’t come soon enough!

Exit question: Hey Barry! Where’s that 10 point bump, Billy Bob said you’d get?

GarandFan on April 27, 2010 at 7:53 PM

Miss Me Yet?

upinak on April 27, 2010 at 7:26 PM

upinak: Yup,and I hope its a tad warmer in your neck of the
sticks,er woods I mean!:)

canopfor on April 27, 2010 at 7:54 PM

canopfor on April 27, 2010 at 7:11 PM
==================================
canopfor – Maybe the “1″ has a “Loss of Control”
Van Halen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iotqohL6E5w

yoda on April 27, 2010 at 7:26 PM

yoda: Ooh thats a good one,and in November,this will be
the tune Leftys will be singing!!
================================================

Jamie’s Crying – Van Halen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDzgj00_fRk

canopfor on April 27, 2010 at 7:59 PM

Jamie’s Crying – Van Halen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDzgj00_fRk
canopfor on April 27, 2010 at 7:59 PM

Oooooh, that was good.
James is a Snake
Al Wison

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd82HxYyHZg

yoda on April 27, 2010 at 8:11 PM

These polls need to be broken down (SEGREGATED) into the appropriate ethnic groups or THEY ARE RAAACISSSSSSSSSSSSST!!!!!

Cybergeezer on April 27, 2010 at 8:17 PM

“I’m with Karl on this. As gratifying as it is to see the idiotic nutroots predictions about a post-ObamaCare surge in enthusiasm proved wrong, this all but guarantees yet another mind-numbing O-Care talking-points national tour for The One. All they have to do is change the script from “It’s only been a week!” to “It’s only been a month!” and they’re good to go.”

..Allah, WE WANT THIS PANTLOAD TO TREK ABOUT THE COUNTRY SCREAMING ABOUT HIS G*DDAMN HEALTH CARE!

WE WANT IT! WE WANT IT! WE WANT IT!

..sorry to raise my voice, but that would be the best thing in the whole wide world because every time that idiot flaps them lips about health care (or anything) you hear the gurgling sound of his poll nunmbers disappearing down the toilet bowl.

The War Planner on April 27, 2010 at 8:25 PM

You’re joking(I think), but I’ve been saying that for months. His 2012 campaign will be one for the ages. It’ll literally be him claiming that everything would’ve been worse had he not been President and that electing a Republican will be a return to the era of George W. Bush.

Doughboy on April 27, 2010 at 7:24 PM

..oh boy! I am laying in a supply of beer and gettin’ the popcorn ready. Hope to God that the 2010 bloodbath is just a warm-up for THE PANTLOAD’s exodus.

The War Planner on April 27, 2010 at 8:29 PM

You can only blow so much smoke up people’s ass before they start figuring out where they are gettin’ the gas pains from.

Cybergeezer on April 27, 2010 at 8:47 PM

I would say November will be a bloodbath but I would probably be arrested for inciting violence.

Also,

There’s bloggy gold in them thar hills.

Has AP been spending time the South? I thought he hated it.

HellCat on April 27, 2010 at 9:19 PM

Thud

Philly on April 27, 2010 at 9:20 PM

Everyone’s figured out that free healthcare will cost them an arm and two legs!

TN Mom on April 27, 2010 at 10:21 PM

1994 was a very good year.

2010 will be a better year.

Let’s keep this ENTHUSIASM till November!

Steve Z on April 27, 2010 at 10:52 PM

Health care’s passage did not produce even a point rise in the president’s approval rating

It wasn’t an approval rating stimulus bill, it was an approval rating *stabilization* bill.

edshepp on April 27, 2010 at 11:55 PM

Oooooh, that was good.
James is a Snake
Al Wison

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd82HxYyHZg

yoda on April 27, 2010 at 8:11 PM

yoda: I haven’t heard that one in a long time,love the
picture of Lady Liberty on the record!!:)

canopfor on April 28, 2010 at 1:06 AM

Which is a nifty argument insofar as it’s completely unprovable.

It’s about how much enthusiasm has been “created or saved”.

Squiggy on April 28, 2010 at 6:25 AM

yoda: I haven’t heard that one in a long time,love the
picture of Lady Liberty on the record!!:)

canopfor on April 28, 2010 at 1:06 AM

When are going to join us?

yoda on April 28, 2010 at 7:20 AM

, this all but guarantees yet another mind-numbing O-Care talking-points national tour for The One.

Thank you James Carville! When we get the next mind-numbing tour, we’ll get more sound bites from The One we can use against him when the sky DOES start falling (…and it’s already beginning to fall!)

olesparkie on April 28, 2010 at 7:43 AM

The new lefty spin via David Corn: If they hadn’t passed O-Care, Democratic enthusiasm would be even worse than it is now.

heh. Saw that one coming after the last poll a few days ago. :) Enthusiasm has been “saved or created” my friends.

Onus on April 28, 2010 at 9:23 AM