Glenn Beck: Remember last week when it was wrong to call your opponents Nazis?

posted at 8:02 pm on April 27, 2010 by Allahpundit

Ace made this same point earlier, but has the left ever claimed that it’s flatly wrong to kick the word “Nazi” around? It’s wrong to kick it at them, but when it comes to you, they’ll happily play hacky sack with it all the live-long day. In fact, among our thoughtful professional pundit class, the main challenge these days when writing about the right is whether to go the full Godwin or stop just short with some similar pejorative. Eugene Robinson was content to label Arizona’s law a racist abomination but Richard Cohen got more creative in calling it the “Anglos’ last stand.” Bolder still was Linda Greenhouse, who upped the ante with an apartheid analogy in her analysis of what turned out to be the wrong version of the bill. (Ahem.) With the bar set that high, can Frank Rich clear it on Sunday? If he does, he’ll be the Dick Fosbury of bottom-feeding left-wing demagogues.

Beck addresses the Arizona bill at around 12 minutes in so skip ahead if that’s what you’re interested in. Incidentally, consider this latest round of Nazi smear-mongering an exclamation point on the “epistemic closure” debate that’s been roiling righty blogs. In all the hand-wringing over why (and whether) some conservatives have retreated into an ideological cocoon, little has been said about the fact that the cocoon is one of the few places they can go without having their motives questioned. Cocooning’s still a bad idea on balance, I think, but if someone decides after the umpteen-thousandth ironic “sieg heil!” from the other side that they’re better off detaching completely, I won’t throw stones.

Update: A lefty commenter notes that Glenn Beck, of all people, is no stranger to comparing his opponents to totalitarians. Indeed, but the media read on Beck is that he’s a frothing-at-the-mouth pied piper of incendiary hyperbole. Too bad for him that he’s a right-wing libertarian; if he ever makes the philosophical journey leftward, he could have his own NYT column.



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So no one minds SaltySam’s hysterical Nazi comparison.

I suppose that’s a fitting cap to a thread on hypocrisy.

G’night.

crr6 on April 27, 2010 at 9:16 PM

I’m quite happy with comparisons. We, like the other side, truly understand that to ignore history is to repeat it. As for the comparisons, they’ll either be valid or invalid, and the sharp debaters will show how the comparison is invalid when directed at them — or they’ll have some form of epiphany and change their position.

Now, to the argument at hand:

The bad ways in which this new law can be used are obvious — which is why Arizona’s Governoress is attempting to find ways to use it properly. When there are so many ways to abuse it (e.g., illegal alien woman see hit-and-run, tells police, and she is deported as a result of her potential testimony because the defense attorney has good connections), it’s hard not to make the comparison to “Papers, please…”.

In Germany, those laws were designed to marginalize one segment of society — a Jew could no longer depend upon the police to protect them — in fact, quite the opposite.

That is certainly the intent of this law as its supporters will gladly admit — to push out the illegal aliens, just as the German laws were originally designed to push out the Jew — to make them want to go elsewhere.

We know (and, if we don’t know, we hope) that, when that doesn’t work, we will not take it to the next level — by imprisoning the illegals we catch and making them free through work.

Better is Lincoln’s philosophy with respect to immigrants:

I am not a Know-Nothing. That is certain. How could I be? How can any one who abhors the oppression of negroes, be in favor or degrading classes of white people? Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that “all men are created equal.” We now practically read it “all men are created equal, except negroes” When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read “all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.” When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty — to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy [sic].

Know-Nothing:

The Know Nothing movement was a nativist American political movement of the 1840s and 1850s. It was empowered by popular fears that the country was being overwhelmed by German and Irish Catholic immigrants, who were often regarded as hostile to Anglo-Saxon values and controlled by the Pope in Rome. Mainly active from 1854 to 1856, it strove to curb immigration and naturalization, though its efforts met with little success.

Republicans, in spite of the party’s overall pro-immigration stance through its history, have turned the world topsy-turvey. Up until fairly recently, most Asians who naturalized became Republicans precisely because the Republicans had opposed the Alien Exclusion Acts while the Democrats had promulgated the Chinese Exclusion Act, the Scott Act, the Geary Act — all designed to limit or prevent immigration and citizenship of people of Asian descent.

Nowadays that isn’t the case, because, from an immigration standpoint, the two parties have essentially changed sides. That’s why most of our children are Democrats; they remember the history, but they also remember which side the toast is buttered on. For a party whose emphasis is historically upon individual rights, we sure can be dunderheaded at times.

If you wonder why the Irish are Democrats, you merely have to examine the history surrounding the Civil War — by all rights, they should be Republicans.

unclesmrgol on April 27, 2010 at 9:17 PM

ccr6 is an anomaly. She is going to be a burden on society one way or another. I suggest she find an occupation that doesn’t require a lot of common sense… I got it, how about a toll booth attendant on an abandoned thoroughfare? It would seem to meet or better yet be just about your intelectual speed, and the bonus is that you get to keep all the fees collected at said toll booth as your daily paycheck.

You really need to quit pretending you’re a law student with a 4.0 GPA. No realtime aspiring law student would be commenting here at HotAir as often as you do and still have time to prepare for tomorrows classes. An aspiring law student would be studying. BTW, just so you know, Wikipedia doesn’t hand out diplomas.

Americannodash on April 27, 2010 at 9:17 PM

Hate speech of the left

But when Jesse Jackson explicitly likened the proposals of the new majority to Nazism and apartheid — “If this were Germany, we would call it fascism. If this were South Africa, we would call it racism” — there wasn’t even a ripple of disapproval. Julianne Malveaux, a radio host and USA Today columnist, caught no flak when she prayed aloud for the death of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. “I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do, of heart disease,” she snarled on PBS.
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“What you have now” — this is left-wing activist and actress Janeane Garofalo, analyzing the Republican Party during an appearance at the 92d Street Y in New York this year — “is people that are closet racists, misogynists, homophobes, and people who love . . . the politics of exclusion identifying as conservative.” That was apparently enough to win her a guest-host slot on CNN’s “Crossfire,” where she offered this thoughtful critique of the Patriot Act: “It is in fact a conspiracy of the 43d Reich.”
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http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2003/12/28/hate_speech_of_the_left/

canopfor on April 27, 2010 at 9:20 PM

Sarah Palin was just on Hannity beating Obama like a rented mule, talking about how he is dividing America, while we should be working as a family to solve our problems.

Allah, once again the “Hot Chick” has made your job a snap.

bw222 on April 27, 2010 at 9:21 PM

So no one minds SaltySam’s hysterical Nazi comparison.

I suppose that’s a fitting cap to a thread on hypocrisy.

G’night.

crr6 on April 27, 2010 at 9:16 PM

Durbin’s slander was simply a rhetorical bridge too far, but for both the man and his party there are no regrets and no apology. Not one senior Democrat has condemned Durbin’s statement. Not one Democratic senator has asked for a caucus meeting.

TheBigOldDog on April 27, 2010 at 9:21 PM

“If he does, he’ll be the Dick Fosbury of bottom-feeding left-wing demagogues.”

You’re good, AP. Very good.

NebCon on April 27, 2010 at 9:21 PM

So They Call you a NAZI?
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1623851/posts

canopfor on April 27, 2010 at 9:22 PM

Allah, once again the “Hot Chick” has made your job a snap.

bw222 on April 27, 2010 at 9:21 PM

He’s busy changing over from his sockpuppet crr6 to his other anonymous identity. Give him a few minutes.

thomasaur on April 27, 2010 at 9:22 PM

And of course the percentage is based on grades, but if the grades are inflated, that means everyone’s grades are inflated and thus that doesn’t affect who is in the top 10%.

Well there you go you figured it out. It doesn’t matter if everyone’s grade got inflated because it still meant that Obama’s would’ve been inflated. You presented the 10% as some sort of bulwark against artificial inflation, thereby proof positively establishing Obama as a wicked smart Harvard Law dude. I was merely trying to point that out. I’m glad you and I could finally resolve this little issue. And I look forward to you saying I’m full of poop in the future.

Apologize, and admit you were wrong. Go ahead.

No. See above.

Weight of Glory on April 27, 2010 at 9:24 PM

If you keep feeding it, it will keep scratching at the door.

Merovign on April 27, 2010 at 9:11 PM

I keep pissing on it. Seems to like it.

Saltysam on April 27, 2010 at 9:27 PM

Why is the story that Glenn Beck detailed yesterday not plastered all over every front page in America??

Obama/Gore/Goldman Sachs are getting ready to impose a $10 TRILLION dollar climate tax on America through CCX/Cap&Tax. They and others in Obummers admin are potentially going to reap 100′s of billions of dollars in profits on this scheme.

Watch this clip from Beck yesterday. (If you are truly limited on time, forward to 14 minutes, although 7:45 – 8:40 is very important too):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQitjq2CXS0

It ends before he unveils the “middle” guy who facilitated the funding/founding of the Chicago Climate Exchange. Gee, who could be from Chicago AND heavily involved with Goldman Sachs?? Hint, he also goes by the name Barry.

THAT is what we should be concentrating on.

painesright on April 27, 2010 at 9:32 PM

I’ve seen a few trolls in my time, but that has to be one of the most incompetent, fear-motivated exits I’ve ever seen.

Saltysam on April 27, 2010 at 9:33 PM

NAZI this. NAZI that. What crr6 and liberals in general willfully misunderstand is that the NAZIs had a lot power and did a lot of things. It’s possible to compare many things to something the NAZIs did and be correct. Referring to any person or method as NAZI-like without an explanation is really just a lazy ad hominem attack.

I have watched Glenn Beck from time to time and when I have seen him, he has taken the time to explain how the method or philosophy is akin to those of the NAZIs. Most of the time, he seems to note than many of the NAZI propaganda methods and techniques were learned elsewhere and they worked.

The raw number of times a person says NAZI is irrelevant if the point made is valid. If it’s just name calling, call them on it.

ROCnPhilly on April 27, 2010 at 9:33 PM

I’ve seen a few trolls in my time, but that has to be one of the most incompetent, fear-motivated exits I’ve ever seen.

Saltysam on April 27, 2010 at 9:33 PM

We/You hit crr6 with reason, and a request for proofs.
It scampers away.
Mouse-like.
Every time.

massrighty on April 27, 2010 at 9:35 PM

ROCnPhilly on April 27, 2010 at 9:33 PM

It’s not that simple. Look at Mein Kampf (Hitler’s autobiography) and the ideas that percolated through his head before he ever had the power to mold Germany. In particular, be aware that Henry Ford played a great role in shaping Hitler’s viewpoint toward the Jews.

It’s the underlying philosophy as well as the techniques used by the Nazis which bear scrutiny.

unclesmrgol on April 27, 2010 at 9:41 PM

What Hitler has to say about all this.

Rebar on April 27, 2010 at 8:36 PM

Rebar:lol,that was good!:)

canopfor on April 27, 2010 at 9:43 PM

massrighty on April 27, 2010 at 9:35 PM

She/He/It just moved over to the Obama DOJ Thread where the future law degree can be put to work. How many times can you say “unconstitutional”?

Cindy Munford on April 27, 2010 at 9:45 PM

THAT is what we should be concentrating on.

painesright on April 27, 2010 at 9:32 PM

Exactly…
Feint 1: Finance reform
Feint 2: Stir up emotion and chaos about AZ and amnesty

Then blast thru with Cap and Trade, which would be the largest transfer of taxpayer money to one political party and their cronies in the history of the world.

Inanemergencydial on April 27, 2010 at 9:47 PM

canopfor on April 27, 2010 at 8:46 PM
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holy cow

cmsinaz on April 27, 2010 at 8:48 PM

cmsinaz:)

canopfor on April 27, 2010 at 9:48 PM

“Too bad for him that he’s a right-wing libertarian; if he ever makes the philosophical journey leftward, he could have his own NYT column.”

LOL!! PRICELESS! That’s a great ‘quote of the day’.

gocatholic on April 27, 2010 at 9:50 PM

To Spread The Wealth, by force of the State, is a [national] socialist idea.

Nanny with a swastika, if you will.

The wetdream of all Utopian, crypto-marxist, anarcho-syndicalist fools and tools.

Who then call any who oppose their Statist usurpation of power “fascists”.

And preen themselves as “anti-fascists” (in Europe, especially) as they then utilize the same strongarm tactics as the Brownshirts to maintain their (initially linguistic, and ultimately literal) coup d’etat.

Beware the well-meaning, but always tyrannical promoters of the State.

They want your liberty and your money.

And sometimes your life.

profitsbeard on April 27, 2010 at 9:50 PM

Even as prescient an observer of politics and the human condition as George Orwell never anticipated the depravity of his fellow travelers in the seamy world of lefty journalism. If he had, he would have known that there would be no need for a ‘Ministry of Truth’ to revise history for the ‘benefit’ of the masses. The BBC, the New York Times, MSNBC, ad infinitum, do all that for the West without prompting by their governmental masters.

Knott Buyinit on April 27, 2010 at 9:52 PM

I’ve seen a few trolls in my time, but that has to be one of the most incompetent, fear-motivated exits I’ve ever seen.

Saltysam on April 27, 2010 at 9:33 PM

SaltySam:Somehow,tee-hee,you offended crr6!!:)

canopfor on April 27, 2010 at 9:53 PM

He’s busy changing over from his sockpuppet crr6 to his other anonymous identity. Give him a few minutes.

thomasaur on April 27, 2010 at 9:22 PM

The Race Card coming online in 5,4,3,2……

jimmy2shoes on April 27, 2010 at 10:06 PM

You’re lucky you were born in the last century

crr6 on April 27, 2010 at 8:24 PM

And you weren’t? Thanks for admitting it.

Del Dolemonte on April 27, 2010 at 10:10 PM

There simply weren’t people on the left who had the same level of visibility and prominence within the party as Beck who made Nazi analogies during Bush’s presidency. And even if there were, they certainly didn’t do it with anywhere near the same frequency as Beck. It’s basically a feature of his show.

crr6 on April 27, 2010 at 8:28 PM

You’re funny. A liar, but funny.

You’ll make a fine lawyer. After all, they’re respected by about as many people as journalists and politicians are.

Del Dolemonte on April 27, 2010 at 10:20 PM

I point out that a prominent leader of the “Tea Party” movement compares the administration to totalitarians frequently, and you link to some British TV station.

Weak.

crr6 on April 27, 2010 at 8:58 PM

Says the “legal student” drone who “responded” to my evidence that Sarah Palin wrote her own book by claiming I was wrong…by linking to some local San Diego TV station news anchor (who is married to a dumb jock NFL player to boot) as “proof” that she didn’t write her own book.

Yep, you’ll make a fine lawyer. For the Democrat Party.

Del Dolemonte on April 27, 2010 at 10:29 PM

There simply weren’t people on the left who had the same level of visibility and prominence within the party as Beck who made Nazi analogies during Bush’s presidency. And even if there were, they certainly didn’t do it with anywhere near the same frequency as Beck. It’s basically a feature of his show.

crr6 on April 27, 2010 at 8:28 PM

The little lilly white trust fund baby was not even alive long enough to have any historical perspective about his own ideological brethren.

Come back to us when you actually have a FICO score above 700 and have worked somewhere besides your academia poindexter cocoon.

ClassicCon on April 27, 2010 at 10:34 PM

It’s the underlying philosophy as well as the techniques used by the Nazis which bear scrutiny.

unclesmrgol on April 27, 2010 at 9:41 PM

True. I agree. My point was that to say something, anything is NAZI-like without saying how it is NAZI-like is wasted breath and is usually just a lazy ad hominem attack. Method, etc… were just examples. You could say something was very Henry Ford-like and mean something positive or negative, without a clear what and how, it’s meaningless.

ROCnPhilly on April 27, 2010 at 10:37 PM

Cohen has to be one of the most racist writers in the country.

His twisted projection of his own self hatred belongs in the Guinness book of world records.

Speakup on April 27, 2010 at 10:38 PM

That is certainly the intent of this law as its supporters will gladly admit — to push out the illegal aliens, just as the German laws were originally designed to push out the Jew — to make them want to go elsewhere.
unclesmrgol on April 27, 2010 at 9:17 PM

Unc, I enjoy a lot of your posts. Even this one, even though this part is a big letdown.

I have a hard time swallowing your argument, mainly because you are making the comparison to NAZI Germany by leaving out a fundamental difference, and it is no small technicality.

If we are to give your suggestion a credible shot at parity, you must concede that NAZI Germany did not make a distinction between Jewish alien and Jewish citizen. This is a monumental difference.

To make the comparison of Jew in NAZI Germany to illegal alien in the US for what was otherwise a well presented warning , is way off the mark. To go this far is to paint the act of breaking the law equitable to the heritage of Hispanic descent.

Unfair, unnecessary, and just plain wrong.

The people of Arizona are fed up with the federal government ignoring their constitutional border mandate. The intent of the new law is to empower law enforcement to actually enforce the existing ones, which I think, even you believe are fair and just.

Saltysam on April 27, 2010 at 10:46 PM

The D.C. Federales, who WILL NOT secure our borders, in effect hate the country enough to want to see it swept away by an increasing tide of sneering scofflaws, medical moochers, legal leeches, school swindlers, patronage parasites, and their anchor baby dependents.

Whose de facto invasion is being aided by entrenched cousin enablers, and by a witless cadre of homegrown useful idiots encouraging the ongoing, aggressive dissolution of AmeriKKKa.

As a way to humble this arrogant, unilateral hyper-power.

A big, lawless narco-terror Bloc, formerly-known-as-the United States, seems to be their goal.
Why?

Because the Hispanic people stole this land first.

And it therefore should rightfully be returned to the control of the first wave of European invaders, from Spain, not ceded to anyone who came later.

And this irrational idiocy passes for a serious argument by the La Raza Leftoids.

And, to oppose the undermining and erosion and ultimate ending of America, is to be villified as a Nativist Nazi Numbnut.

By those who essentially do not like the country and wish it to disappear.

Such Candyland cretins need to live in Mexico, or Iran, or Venezuela, or Pakistan, or Lebanon, before they let their unicorn Utopian bilge fantasies of “social justice” and “one world living in peace” dismantle and destroy this last best hope of humanity.

profitsbeard on April 27, 2010 at 11:30 PM

Immune Deficiency

Our inner cities are tumors and we have a leader determined to metastasize the problem. (The Chicago connection is never noticed.)

Our southern border has been a oozing wound for decades and we can neither seal off the invasion or agree on the amount of inconvenience or pain some innocents may suffer for the good of the body of our nation.

Every breath spent on the pathetic image of the Third Reich diverts us from the robust respiration we need for measures more analogous to the falling Roman Empire.

C’mon guys.

Should we be proving that we are not Nazis or should they be proving that they are not destroying us?

IlikedAUH2O on April 27, 2010 at 11:45 PM

crr6 will indeed make a splendid, POS, lefty, scumbag lawyer.

pfamis on April 28, 2010 at 12:41 AM

crr6 will indeed make a splendid, POS, lefty, scumbag lawyer.

pfamis on April 28, 2010 at 12:41 AM

Too high to aim for that chump.

Saltysam on April 28, 2010 at 1:04 AM

unclesmrgol, while I usually enjoy your posts I would have to say you need to stop smoking or drinking whatever you ingested before your last few posts.

There is no comparison between this law and the ones the nazi’s put into place. If it wasn’t late I would point out how your post is based on a house of cards and really little more than a smear.

I live in AZ and support this law 100%. Lies and slander by those on the left and some allegedly on the right will not change that.

Hard Right on April 28, 2010 at 4:45 AM

Too bad for him that he’s a right-wing libertarian; if he ever makes the philosophical journey leftward, he could have his own NYT column.

His faith in God will prevent that left turn. Your lack of faith practically guarantees it.

SKYFOX on April 28, 2010 at 8:54 AM

Can we all just start with the premise: They are here Illegally? If the Fed had been doing it’s job none of this would be necessary.

All the crap about “their” civil rights is just that crap, they are here illegally, they are breaking the law. As to the profiling this is nothing more than propaganda. Of course they will have to profile, how could you not as the majority of the problem is with people of Hispanic persuasion.

Is this profiling? Let’s say I’m a white male 200 pounds, brown hair and a beard, wearing jeans and a blue shirt. I’m sitting in a Starbucks and in comes the police who are looking for someone who just robbed a store in the area and who just so happens to fit my description to a T. They ask me to step outside for questioning. Is that profiling, damn right it is. Is it wrong, no. It may be an inconvenience for me but if I’m innocent I have nothing to worry about. Are their opportunities for abuse with this law, yes but that doesn’t change the fact that something has to be done.

It’s time for responsible immigration reform and that has to start after the borders are sealed up. How did we ever allow it to become OK for law breaking NON citizens to have the same rights, if not more than citizens?

New Patriot on April 28, 2010 at 10:02 AM

Don’t like Beck…but this was good.

LtE126 on April 28, 2010 at 10:19 AM

Let ask a tough question, that only the Hot Air crowd can answer.

“How much $$$ is paid to the Illegals via welfare?”

MSGTAS on April 28, 2010 at 11:13 AM

I would have more worries about the Left and its strange views of what National Socialism is, if they could actually for a coherent view of how National Socialism differs from good, old fashioned Nationalism as seen in the Law of Nations and from standard Socialism and why the divisions within the socialist mindset had stark problems between the Second and Third Internationale in regards to the given precepts of socialism.

Without being able to differntiate in meaningful ways between these concepts, there is a Leftist conflation of Nationalism with National Socialism which does not exist for those working under the Law of Nations concept of Nation States. Also there is a complete mis-understanding of the rationale from the old hard line socialists in why it is counter-productive to soften capitalism, or to hinder its rapacious nature as it is a much better system than any preceding it and that in trying to ‘reform’ or ‘evolve’ your way to socialism you instead create a regressive form of capitalism known as State Capitalism which is authoritarian in outlook and totalitarian in its cast.

Instead the Hodge-Podge of pro-authority, everything in the Nation should be run from DC becomes a Luddite Tyranny that has no interest in the preservation of capitalism, the Nation State and undermines the concept of the rule of law to twist it into the Law of Rules. As ‘international law’ is held up as a beacon, and then disregarded in its use on anything other than warfare, it is also an anti-Nation State formulation of thought (to the degree one can say that it has a formulation as it is more a chaotic jumble of impulses rather than a rigorous outlook on the Nature of Man, the creation of our own law and the order that we create called Nations).

If the modern Left truly believed and supported international law as the means for orderly work between Nations, then they would not support ‘Open Borders’ but the orderly process of Nation States to look after their own and not allow individuals to corrode the international system via their actions. Instead it is excused for a grab-bag of reasons that is a rationalization of a position, not a complete and coherent outlook on the system of Nation States and the role citizens have in that order of Nation States. Such recognition would also discover that even the International Declaration of Human Rights has a final clause which says that citizen may not go abrogate the treaty… which means when you do, you forfeit your appeal to that as an underpinning for your lawlessness. Far be it from me to point out that it is not just US law but Mexican law that is being broken, plus multiple areas of international law that are being broken which, in previous eras, were a harbinger of open warfare between Nation States.

Luckily those on the Left feel only the need to read their own inchoate works that see the State as the benefactor and caretaker for everyone. Don’t mind the whip it uses to make you feel good… or the shackles you place upon yourself to receive such benevolent whipping as it can provide.

ajacksonian on April 28, 2010 at 11:14 AM

Beck nails it. Every point. The guy’s as goofy as a 3-dollar bill, but he nailed this one.

GoodSamaritan on April 28, 2010 at 11:56 AM

Mexicans aren’t a race (neither are muslims) so we can’t be racist for enacting perfectly legitimate laws to regulate the border and the presence of people in this country who are here illegally. For each of these liberal/progressive pro illegal immigration propagandist reporters, I have a couple of queries (and I don’t mean Overbite, Maddows, or Cooper) for you: Do you have locks on your homes’ doors, windows, garages and/or alarm systems? If so why are you acting in such a racist manner to keep out undocumented owners, lessees, occupants of your home?
Do you have locks on your automobiles? Do you have windows and car alarms? Again, why are you acting in a racist way towards undocumented owners, drivers, passengers for your automobiles?
Do you use passwords for your email or work accounts? If so why are you acting in such a racist manner towards undocumented readers of those accounts?
If some undocumented individual entered your home, auto, workplace, email accounts, would you demand to see their identification? If so, why would you act in such a racist and unamerican manner towards such individuals?
Why do you even have walls on your homes or businesses, since such structures are racist and unamerican?
Lastly, why do you automatically assume that laws approved by seventy percent of the population and a majority of minority citizens will be enforced in a racist manner? Isn’t that a racist belief held by you about your fellow Americans?

eaglewingz08 on April 28, 2010 at 1:39 PM

I also want to know why you don’t call national socialists of the United States (the democrap party and its adjuncts) nazis? After all, they are for national socialist policies. So if the national socialist shoe fits, then you should call them what they are, rather than vilifying non national socialists-conservatives-republicans by that epithet.

eaglewingz08 on April 28, 2010 at 1:41 PM

True. I agree. My point was that to say something, anything is NAZI-like without saying how it is NAZI-like is wasted breath and is usually just a lazy ad hominem attack. Method, etc… were just examples. You could say something was very Henry Ford-like and mean something positive or negative, without a clear what and how, it’s meaningless.

ROCnPhilly on April 27, 2010 at 10:37 PM

Whole-heartedly agree.

unclesmrgol on April 28, 2010 at 3:12 PM

If we are to give your suggestion a credible shot at parity, you must concede that NAZI Germany did not make a distinction between Jewish alien and Jewish citizen. This is a monumental difference.

Saltysam on April 27, 2010 at 10:46 PM

Interesting point.

There is one way in which you are wrong, but not in any way useful to me — the Nazis were religious about leaving foreign citizens alone. The rules for the Kristallnacht indicated that no foreign citizens were to be detained, assaulted, or their property broken. The harassment and assaults were reserved for Germans or for people in lands administered by the Reich.

To make the comparison of Jew in NAZI Germany to illegal alien in the US for what was otherwise a well presented warning , is way off the mark. To go this far is to paint the act of breaking the law equitable to the heritage of Hispanic descent.

No, not way off the mark. One first makes something illegal, and then prosecutes/persecutes people for being in the illegal class.

The Nazis had a nativist view — and that view did not include the Jews. Not just Jewish breakers of common law — ALL Jews.

The AZ law inforces a nativist view — and that view does not include “illegal aliens”. Not just illegal alien breakers of common law — ALL illegal aliens.

So, how did the concept of “illegal alien” originate? You can go circular and say it’s because they broke a law — but why is the law there? It is not a law of which Lincoln would approve — its a law designed to discriminate.

That said, I’ve previously commented that I believe the law in AZ to be Constitutional — although I wish it hadn’t been passed.

unclesmrgol on April 28, 2010 at 3:40 PM

unclesmrgol, while I usually enjoy your posts I would have to say you need to stop smoking or drinking whatever you ingested before your last few posts.

Boston Baked Beans. They were Boston Baked Beans.

There is no comparison between this law and the ones the nazi’s put into place. If it wasn’t late I would point out how your post is based on a house of cards and really little more than a smear.

Ah, but there is. First you make something illegal, then you criminalize it (the two are distinct), and then you punish the criminals with the full force of the law.

The main difference is that the Nazis eventually withdrew the facade of the rule of law with respect to the Jews — I doubt we’ll do that for illegal aliens.

I live in AZ and support this law 100%. Lies and slander by those on the left and some allegedly on the right will not change that.

Hard Right on April 28, 2010 at 4:45 AM

That is your privilege. Again, I think the law is Constitutional, but I would have done it differently, given that I believe in free immigration. The people who run afoul of the justice system and are aliens (legal or illegal) should be deported. The way the law is written at present, it offers opportunity for abuse, and that stress point is what its opponents will offer to the Court.

unclesmrgol on April 28, 2010 at 3:47 PM

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