Correction: The actual Arizona immigration bill
posted at 6:01 pm on April 24, 2010 by Allahpundit
Via Arizona Economics, no wonder I couldn’t find the provision in the bill ordering citizens to carry their papers at all times: Turns out I was reading the wrong version. The one I linked yesterday was drafted by the state senate, but the one that actually made it through both chambers and onto the governor’s desk is this one. Apologies for the error.
Although now that I’ve skimmed the enacted version, I’m not sure it requires citizens to carry papers either.
B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY OF A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE, WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON, EXCEPT IF THE DETERMINATION MAY HINDER OR OBSTRUCT AN INVESTIGATION. ANY PERSON WHO IS ARRESTED SHALL HAVE THE PERSON’S IMMIGRATION STATUS DETERMINED BEFORE THE PERSON IS RELEASED. THE PERSON’S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c). A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE MAY NOT SOLELY CONSIDER RACE, COLOR OR NATIONAL ORIGIN IN IMPLEMENTING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS SUBSECTION EXCEPT TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY THE UNITED STATES OR ARIZONA CONSTITUTION. A PERSON IS PRESUMED TO NOT BE AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IF THE PERSON PROVIDES TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR AGENCY ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:
1. A VALID ARIZONA DRIVER LICENSE.
2. A VALID ARIZONA NONOPERATING IDENTIFICATION LICENSE.
3. A VALID TRIBAL ENROLLMENT CARD OR OTHER FORM OF TRIBAL IDENTIFICATION.
4. IF THE ENTITY REQUIRES PROOF OF LEGAL PRESENCE IN THE UNITED STATES BEFORE ISSUANCE, ANY VALID UNITED STATES FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT ISSUED IDENTIFICATION.
The “reasonable suspicion” requirement is still there (see yesterday’s post for more on that) but this version specifies that there have to be independent grounds for suspicion beyond race. Also new is the list of documents that someone can present to create a presumption that they’re here legally, although it’s unclear to me how that’ll work in practice. If you’re pulled over on suspicion of being illegal for whatever reason and you produce an Arizona driver’s license, does the cop then let you go (probably, in most cases) or does he get to hold you while he tries to come up with further evidence to overcome the presumption? Another open question — and this is the key for civil libertarians — is whether “reasonable suspicion” can be formed simply by virtue of the fact that the suspect isn’t carrying one of the ID types listed. If so, then cops could theoretically start pulling people aside on the sidewalk and hauling them in if they don’t produce their “papers.” I don’t read this section that way; it sounds like “reasonable suspicion” must exist before any “reasonable attempt” to verify the suspect’s immigration status is made. But if I’m misreading it and “reasonable suspicion” is satisfied if the suspect is guilty of nothing more than being Latino and forgetting his driver’s license at home, then they’re going to have a Category Five legal and political clusterfark on their hands when the first American citizens of Hispanic descent are mistakenly arrested.
There’s another section about ID later on:
A. IN ADDITION TO ANY VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW, A PERSON IS GUILTY OF WILLFUL FAILURE TO COMPLETE OR CARRY AN ALIEN REGISTRATION DOCUMENT IF THE PERSON IS IN VIOLATION OF 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1304(e) OR 1306(a).
Translation: If you’re here legally and you’re caught without your “papers,” i.e. your green card, you’re going to be fined. Obviously, though, this section doesn’t apply to citizens, and the carry requirement is already part of federal law. All this does is make it a crime under Arizona law too.
The more I think about it, the more I think this law is little more than a bargaining chip Arizona’s using to make the feds get serious about enforcement. They surely realize they’ll have no end of headaches from passing this thing, but no matter how much it backfires, they’ll still get to point at Washington and say, “You drove us to these desperate measures!” — which will put that much more pressure on Congress to seal the border when it finally takes up a new amnesty bill. Newly minted immigration hardliner John McCain is already playing that angle to the hilt, which means it’s open season for the rest of the Republican caucus to follow suit. I just hope The Artist Formerly Known as Maverick is prepared for damage control if/when Arizona cops start arresting American citizens. Won’t be pretty.









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Grayzel on April 25, 2010 at 2:59 PM
Thank you very much. I learn from all you guys, too. Even crr6.
I can’t remember the French philosopher, but they said something like “No man is a fool, in that I may learn from him”.
Though, it must be said, there are some who test that sentiment…
Ragspierre on April 25, 2010 at 3:05 PM
I am in the middle of moving my office home (economy stupid) which involves moving our library and finally organizing our books. You and others were a great break.
Grayzel on April 25, 2010 at 3:16 PM
Grayzel on April 25, 2010 at 3:16 PM
Moving… (distant look bespeaks terrible memories of past horrors)
My condolences. Hope it is over soon.
Ragspierre on April 25, 2010 at 3:23 PM
Moving is the easy part. The hard part is me having to lay off 5 good people when I know there is no hope for them to find employment. We hang on as long as possible but the work was just not there.
Grayzel on April 25, 2010 at 3:46 PM
Sorry should have read “hung”
Grayzel on April 25, 2010 at 3:47 PM
Yet another bill Odummy did not read before opening his mouth.
jdkchem on April 25, 2010 at 3:50 PM
I have written about this dilemma before, in a prior thread weeks ago, if not a month ago. Pennsylvania has the problem of farmers hiring them for the crops. It’s kinda funny when either I drive or I am a passenger, they pop up like daisies in the middle of corn fields b/c they think I am a “Federale” (spell it in Spanish). That I’m out to get them because of my looks.
I had no clue that the Federal government hired Latinos to hit on illegal Latinos. In PR is hard too, b/c of the Dominican Republic, China, and Mexico (the least). Families with high income hire Dominican ladies to be nannies, and to clean houses. I don’t consider that slavery, I have to clear this up. Dominicanos are the most wonderful people from other countries I have met (including Venezuelans!).
And I still stand along Arizona, because this is out of control, border states have to follow suit IMMEDIATELY pending O’s intercession to break the law and bypass (again)the US Constitution that he “knows so much about.”
ProudPalinFan on April 25, 2010 at 3:50 PM
Another thing, VERY IMPORTANT, that I don’t know if it has been mentioned:
THERE ARE ILLEGALS THAT REFUSE TO LEARN ENGLISH BECAUSE THEY EXPECT US TO LEARN SPANISH. They won’t blend.
ProudPalinFan on April 25, 2010 at 3:54 PM
It begins, driving while
blackbrown.Thank you, Mr. Johnson. Republicans and conservatives alike would do well to pay attention to your harbinger call.
The Race Card on April 25, 2010 at 3:55 PM
The sad part is that illegal immigrants cost legal immigrants both economic and political power. They drain resources and services that those who come legally here for.
Amnesty only fuels competition for jobs that others who are here legally cant get. Its not the average American who gets hurt by illegal immigration but the immigrants themselves who have to compete with those who want to break the law to get an advantage.
William Amos on April 25, 2010 at 3:56 PM
not much assimilation occurring imho when most things here are in both english and spanish…
cmsinaz on April 25, 2010 at 4:02 PM
I heard one poll quoted that 60% of the hispanics favor this bill…
cmsinaz on April 25, 2010 at 4:03 PM
The Race Card on April 25, 2010 at 3:55 PM
Did you miss the part about operating a commercial vehicle, Sparky…?
See, when you operate a commercial vehicle, you are prone to get stopped. LEOs don’t need a pretext; they have the right to check your log, bills of lading, etc. Period.
When they have what we call the “short word” (OPEN v. CLOSED) up in front of the weigh station, that means you are LIKELY to be called in for a little show and tell when you cross the scales.
In one of my previous incarnations, I hauled OVER-DIMENSIONAL goodies, so I know about all this.
It sounds like the officers found something that was hinkey about the guy’s papers.
OR they were abusing their office.
Either way, this is NOT what you suggest.
Ragspierre on April 25, 2010 at 4:09 PM
A representative at U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) returned 3TV’s calls after researching the incident and she said this was standard operating procedure.
The agents needed to verify Abdon was in the country legally and it is not uncommon to ask for someone’s birth certificate. She also said this has nothing to do with the proposed bill or racial profiling.
Hey, Race… You need to reload and try another.
Ragspierre on April 25, 2010 at 4:24 PM
Doesn’t this mean the officer would have to stop the citizen for doing something wrong first (i.e. speeding). In other words, they can’t pull someone over on suspicion of being there illegally, but they can pull them over for speeding and then try and ascertain whether or not they’re in the country legally. The concern then, would be that Latinos will get racially profiled and be more likely to get pulled over for speeding than other motorists. A legitimate concern, hence the Governor’s executive order.
Heywood U. Reedmore on April 25, 2010 at 4:28 PM
Oh, and for everyone’s benefit…I mean to save time and loss of credibility…
Charles Johnson is not a credible source of information.
by Alicia E. Barrón
azfamily.com
Posted on April 21, 2010 at 5:04 PM
Updated Thursday, Apr 22 at 3:21 PM
See…???
Ragspierre on April 25, 2010 at 4:29 PM
WHich is why the left argues this as a racial issue rather than an economic one.
The GOP sucks when it comes time to argue successfully an issue. They left the left beat them to the punch.
William Amos on April 25, 2010 at 4:31 PM
Correct. Racial profiling is illegal, therefore it would be considered an unlawful contact.
ButterflyDragon on April 25, 2010 at 4:44 PM
It’s a losing battle. Short of our country’s economy collapsing or strafing illegals crossing the border they’re going to keep coming.
Not like everybody over here doesn’t want them here. There are millions of fellow Hispanics, Liberals, politicians and businessmen who do.
Also, you’re going to have a lot of Hispanic Americans pulled over and hassled because of the way they look. Then there’s the others who don’t even look Hispanic. Joe Cop will just have another justification to pull over anyone because he’s bored or pi$$ed off at his wife.
Dr. ZhivBlago on April 25, 2010 at 4:50 PM
http://hindenblog1.blogspot.com/2010/04/burn-johnson-beclowns-himself-on.html
From the blog that nobody reads…
Ragspierre on April 25, 2010 at 4:54 PM
My, my, Mr. The Race Card 24×7, have you now sunk so low as to link to the stark raving mad Charles “Anthony Fremont” Johnson who sees racism and Nazis and little green men behind every tree and under his bed ? Yes you have.
On the matter of a driver handcuffed and forced to show Birth Certificate, I would like to see a certain Indonesian Imbecile in the White House, not to name any names, handcuffed and forced to show a Birth Certificate. And no, I don’t mean some “Certification” nonsense that does not even list a hospital name, nor a doctors name.
MB4 on April 25, 2010 at 5:24 PM
The Race Card 24×7 race-centric belief system:
1) All roads start with race.
2) All roads end with race.
3) The Sun revolves around race.
4) The moon revolves around race.
5) The stars revolve around race.
6) If The Race Card does not obsess about race 24×7, the orbital stability of the Earth will become unbalanced and we will all fall into the sun.
MB4 on April 25, 2010 at 5:29 PM
The Race Card is the most rapid-fire all purpose ad hominem and vapid weapon of smear, mass deception AND DEVERSION ever conceived by man. It is a weapon under which weak minds are servilely crouched [that's Thomas Jefferson lingo] and can be fired with the greatest of ease by even the most intellectually and integrity challenged, and in fact, was designed especially for use by them. It is void of justice. It is void of liberty. It needs no footing in rationality. It is, in plain and clear fact, similar to a lynching. It has no expiration date. It doesn’t even appear to have a half life. There are those who theorize that it may continue to exist indefinitely in some form even after time itself has come to an end.
MB4 on April 25, 2010 at 5:30 PM
All
workrace and noplaybalance makesJackThe Race Card adull boya tiresome bore.MB4 on April 25, 2010 at 5:33 PM
And what do you do when you are bored or pi$$ed off at your wife? Beat her some more?
MB4 on April 25, 2010 at 5:38 PM
The Race Card is the last refuge of scoundrels.
MB4 on April 25, 2010 at 5:39 PM
Just reading on MSM that a group of ‘activists’ have requested that Obalmy stop this law by refusing to allow federal enforcement support. Also that Sharpton has offerred to organize some kind of support mechanism–a man in search of relevance methinks. Interesting theory here though–Obalmy telling fed not to enforce federal immigration laws. A first I would think.
jeanie on April 25, 2010 at 6:01 PM
Oh, please…whatever spirits control THE ONE…
LET IT BE…!!!
That would about do it…
Ragspierre on April 25, 2010 at 6:15 PM
And last time I checked, the Hispanic culture is considered “white”. If they are just a cultural subset of the “white” or “Caucasian” “race” (a term which scientifically has no bearing any longer and is only used by those with ulterior motives) then how can it be ‘racial profiling’ considering that the only people who are racists are white according libtards like The Race Card?
Wolftech on April 25, 2010 at 6:27 PM
The funny thing is, everything that Crr6 spouts now, I and my friend spouted in law school. As I stated before, like all young’ns that have never experienced the world, he thinks he knows everything. And by everything, he is able to regurgitate what his liberal professor said in class. And he thinks it is original or intelligent thinking. I don’t really blame this on him, most of us were like that in school. If he doesn’t learn after he gets out and attempts to practice law, then it will be his fault and he will deserve to be pitied.
Monkeytoe on April 25, 2010 at 6:32 PM
I can see there has been a lot of response and opinion on this issue. I can tell you from experience, twenty years of it, that this law is in trouble coming out of the gate. Although the tried to write it cutely, the fact is that having to carry your papers and provide ID or even talk to a police officer when you are not subject to an investigation is already settled law. This I know.
Here are my posts about it.
http://truthandcommonsense.com/2010/04/24/arizona-takes-one-step-closer-to-your-papers-please-typical-example-of-treating-a-symptom-and-not-the-disease/
http://truthandcommonsense.com/2010/04/25/telling-the-story-of-blue-haired-club-footed-midgets-and-stopping-a-known-drug-dealers/
My point through all of this is that illegal immigration is not the disease, it is the symptom of the disease as I say here-
“So, what is the disease that keeps the boils popping up? Remember the rule- “Chase the offender not the offense.” What is the offender here? Simple- money. The illegals come here to make money taking jobs we won’t take for the wages offered. It is a boon to them and a relief to us. The politicians see illegals as a way to insure their return to power in D.C. which of course makes them rich. Businesses want illegals to work for them because they cost less to employ. The government, especially the Social Security department, likes the idea of having seven and a half percent sent into their coffers under a fake social security number. If they didn’t, would they not immediately notify the employer?
It is and always has been about the money.”
Can it be solved? Sure and fairly simply if you want to bad enough. The solution, in my opinion, is listed in the second post. Simply put, cut off the money and services, enact an aggressive guest worker program with limits and enforce the border by making sure the illegals have no reason to come here.
The Arizona law is the typical political “out” that politicians do to avoid making the hard decisions. They will pass this law that will get chewed up in court and will be able to either blame the police for overreacting or the courts for failing to do the right thing. Either way, the politicians can go around saying they did something when they didn’t.
I feel for the poor officer, still unknown, who will make a stop, make a detention or an arrest and will be picked out of the hundreds of similar acts to be the poster boy lawsuit that is surely to come.
With all of that said, ask yourself if you are really comfortable with the police demanding from people “their papers” and then ask yourself if a renewed call for a national ID card is not far behind. The left will argue if it is good for Hispanics, it would only be fair for everybody to have the same requirement.
This is bad law.
archer52 on April 25, 2010 at 6:33 PM
indeed
cmsinaz on April 25, 2010 at 6:38 PM
Guess I’m gonna plan an Arizona vacation!
The most law abiding state in America!
Just bring your I.D, the same one you need to drive,to get money out of your account,to purchase a home,car,,..just about anything!
Legal immigration ROCKS!
Illegal aliens cost Americans millions!!
christene on April 25, 2010 at 6:51 PM
I read a lot of stuff like that when the Patriot Act was passed. I was more than slightly chary about it, too. But I watched and waited.
On balance, the Patriot Act has been a pretty good law. We have had the courts do what they do well when they work, and stand as watchman over abuses. We have had our law enforcement folk are in a generally principled way, which they tend to do.
Maybe we should watch and see how this law works in real life. That is what federal judges will be HIGHLY disposed to do, since they are required to give considerable deference to a state’s exercise of its PLENARY police powers.
Ragspierre on April 25, 2010 at 6:53 PM
Confucius said it better.
If I am walking with two other men, each of them will serve as my teacher. I will pick out the good points of the one and imitate them, and the bad points of the other and correct them in myself.
MB4 on April 25, 2010 at 6:53 PM
MB4 on April 25, 2010 at 6:53 PM
Good one! That goes in the file.
Ragspierre on April 25, 2010 at 6:55 PM
Arizonians are saying to the Obama administration -
Lead us [properly], follow us, or get the Hell out of our way.
MB4 on April 25, 2010 at 6:57 PM
You are absolutely right. The left & the immigration rinos consistently, purposefully ignore words that don’t advance the agenda (conflating illegal and legal immigration most of all). FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT is something that has been hammered out over 40 years of arrests, laws, and court cases, and this law doesn’t change that one iota. After that burden is met, then the additional burden of REASONABLE SUSPICION is required before immigration status is determined.
motionview on April 25, 2010 at 7:21 PM
Rags and the other legal posers loitering at HA being schooled by a lowly law student. Embarrassing and pathetic. Rags, check the comments at your blog. What do you think? Anybody reading that derivative POS?
dakine on April 25, 2010 at 7:31 PM
I dunno. In The Race Card’s world much is possible.
MB4 on April 25, 2010 at 7:39 PM
Please… If I was a scoundrel, I would be insulted…
/s
Khun Joe on April 25, 2010 at 7:54 PM
If the Feds and employers did their jobs and obeyed existing laws, this would not be necessary.
The Feds are supposed to be deporting people as they are found to be illegals. They don’t. They release them. The employers are supposed to be checking for valid identification before they hire anyone. They are suppose to report those who do not have valid id’s. They don’t.
Until people stop hiring the illegals the flow will continue. I stopped using any companies who cannot provide proof of citizenship of their workers a long time ago.
Sporty1946 on April 25, 2010 at 7:55 PM
FIFY…
Khun Joe on April 25, 2010 at 7:55 PM
Excuse me, but why is having to show your ID on the street any worse then the circus we are put through when we go through security to enter a federal building or get on an airplane? I am not hispanic, but every time I go through a stupid metal detector at a security point or to get on an airplane, the thing goes off, and I get patted down. Why is that not against my rights? Just saying, people, if you want our Country to be safe, quit your bellyaching! If you are hear legally, then you should have nothing to hide.
Susanboo on April 25, 2010 at 8:01 PM
Not to mention the hundreds, if not thousands of lives that are lost due to their DUI’s, drug running and a variety of other violent crimes they commit.
Sporty1946 on April 25, 2010 at 8:03 PM
John Hinderaker writes a good commentary on the media’s “polarizing” selectivity.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/04/026151.php
onlineanalyst on April 25, 2010 at 8:31 PM
hear = here! obviously did not preview!
Susanboo on April 25, 2010 at 8:34 PM
More calm, clear-eyed debate from the left:
“The Arizona of 2010 is the Alabama of 1963″
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-creamer/the-arizona-of-2010-is-th_b_551062.html
Django on April 25, 2010 at 8:39 PM
“La Raza”.
Johan Klaus on April 25, 2010 at 8:53 PM
susanboo-
yes and no. Yes in that if you chose not to go through the hassle you don’t have to fly. It’s not like you are driving to the market and the cops stop you and ask you to perform the same tasks. The increased security was also added because of an event. illegal immigration is a multi-level issue, but not a direct threat to security (outside the crime and terrorism issue). It has been with us since the take over of that part of America by us. In the 1920′s Americans had another crisis with Mexican illegals and used marijuana use as a reason to send them back. Like I said, it can be solved, if everyone is willing to do so. The feds don’t enforce the laws because the politicians on BOTH sides want the votes. The states don’t do as much as they can because THEY like the income, labor and votes. The Hispanic caucus is going to dominate the elections in the future and which side gets the most votes from them could win the majority of the elections for the next twenty years. (Think how the black vote goes 90% or better for democrats.)
In addition, you issue about having nothing to hide is like saying you have to prove your innocence before the government. It is the other way and should stay that way.
Just my opinion
archer52 on April 25, 2010 at 9:03 PM
Someone just sent me this
http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=qO9Xyer7GTY
Its very disturbing
macncheez on April 25, 2010 at 9:28 PM
Someone just sent me this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO9Xyer7GTY&feature=player_embedded
Its disturbing
macncheez on April 25, 2010 at 9:30 PM
OOOOPPPPPSSSS
Sorry
double clicky
macncheez on April 25, 2010 at 9:31 PM
Quick vote
Will Arizona’s new immigration law survive the expected legal challenges?
Read Related Articles
This is not a scientific poll
No
53%
62562
Yes
47%
554
on cnn website now
congma on April 25, 2010 at 9:33 PM
LOL Communist News Network can only muster a 53% Yes vote with all the demagoguery they’ve plastered their airwaves with the last 24 hours?
The Arizona state law is nothing more than the federal codes copied over.
ButterflyDragon on April 25, 2010 at 10:01 PM
Math is hard ;-)
macncheez on April 25, 2010 at 10:05 PM
Liar.
You ride my jock well. Your diligence is duly noted. But please, leave a little room for the rest.
The Race Card on April 25, 2010 at 10:10 PM
archer52, I just read the posts you linked at 6:33 pm. The second post in particular lays out a commonsense set of interlocking steps to solve the illegal immigration problem. Yet these steps do not require American citizens to give up even more of their essential liberties, like the ‘show me your papers’ laws do.
I recommend HA readers check out his post, and I thank him for his LEO service to his community.
GnuBreed on April 25, 2010 at 10:12 PM
If you were literate, you’d be dangerous.
The Race Card on April 25, 2010 at 10:13 PM
Quick vote
Will Arizona’s new immigration law survive the expected legal challenges?
Read Related Articles
This is not a scientific poll
No
53%
66063
Yes
47%
58792
sorry, missing numbers.
congma on April 25, 2010 at 10:34 PM
You mean Americans of Mexican, or in a broader sense Latino descent … ?
Of those I know, that came here legally … 60% sounds kinda low.
AZ_Redneck on April 25, 2010 at 11:39 PM
We have had court challenges on every law we have passed regarding illegal immigration. Pass. Pass. Pass.
The previous legislation, like this one was modeled after federal legislation. If the ‘legal test’ is applied it will move along just fine. Throw in the Marxist activist judge some where along the line … it will fail.
The way the left is talking out here … might be settled in the streets.
AZ_Redneck on April 25, 2010 at 11:45 PM
Wow! Just a quick search on the web, and listening to all the hype on the cable-news channels makes it clear that the open-boarders lobby and the libs are going full throat with the theme that the new-Arizona law allows the police to patrol the streets and demand “papers” from anyone who is “brown.” Now this would be unconstitutional on it’s face because ALL law enforcement officers need probable cause to detain you no matter what you are doing. Any policeman who detained a person because they “looked like an illegal” would have any evidence they got thrown out of court and that officer would not be in for long career.
Why did Arizona demand that suspects detained for other suspicions provide proof of citizenship? Because U.S. law demands it:
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=d0a33a4107083210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=d0a33a4107083210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD
“What The Law Says
Section 264 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) states, “Every alien in the United States . . . shall be issued a certificate of alien registration or an alien registration receipt card in such form and manner and at such time as shall be prescribed under regulations . . .” It also says, “Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him . . .. Any alien who fails to comply with [these provisions] shall be guilty of a misdemeanor…” The specific requirements and procedures for applying to renew an expiring green card are contained in the Code of Federal Regulations [CFR] at 8 CFR section 264.5.”
It is amazing how far these criminals and their enablers will go to break our laws.
shorebird on April 25, 2010 at 11:52 PM
If you didn’t spend so much of your brain power thinking about race, you might develop something useful to the world.
MB4 on April 26, 2010 at 12:13 AM
Because our skin is brown you dummy.
True_King on April 26, 2010 at 12:16 AM
Caucasians can be fairly dark. Italians, Spanish, Indians. My maternal grandmother was called a “Black Norwegian”.
MB4 on April 26, 2010 at 12:21 AM
Let me ask you something. What is the difference between my remarks in response to what I perceive to be racially-antagonistic comments and your response to what you perceive to be racially-whiny comments?
You comment about race as much as anybody. Now, please, STFU and make some room down there.
The Race Card on April 26, 2010 at 1:49 AM
OK, I’ll take the bait. What, praytell, “useful” something have you developed for the world? Take as much space as you need.
The Race Card on April 26, 2010 at 1:51 AM
Will Arizona’s New Laws Hold up in Federal Court?
(Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer.)
Opponents of Arizona’s attempts to protect its citizens argue, in part, that the Arizona law is “pre-empted” by federal law.
However, the Supreme Court has ruled:
When the text of a pre-emption clause is susceptible of more than one plausible reading, courts ordinarily “accept the reading that disfavors pre-emption.” Bates v. Dow Agrosciences LLC, 544 U. S. 431, 449 (2005).
And the ultra-liberal Ninth Circuit upheld a 2007 Arizona law mandating that employers in the state use the E-Verify system to ensure that they’re hiring legal workers. The Court threw out the pre-emption challenge. But it also threw out a challenge on the basis that the law might lead to unsavory police activities, saying:
If and when the statute is enforced, and the factual background is developed, other challenges to the 13066 CPLC v. NAPOLITANO Act as applied in any particular instance or manner will not be controlled by our decision.
The new law will probably find a similar reception in the courts. It will be upheld.
- Polipundit
MB4 on April 26, 2010 at 1:52 AM
It wasn’t meant as bait. You really have such a chip on your shoulder. Doesn’t it get awfully heavy after a while?
I have made quite a number of computer programs run far faster than they previously did. Some of them were for the government. I pulled someone who was drowning out of a fast moving river once. None of that effected the whole world of course, but someone does a little here, someone does a little there, and it adds up.
But, of course, as they say, “Above all else do no harm”.
MB4 on April 26, 2010 at 2:01 AM
The difference is that you consider almost everything to be racially-antagonistic comments and I only percieve the most incessantly racially-whiny comments to be racially-whiny comments. Hope that clears things up.
No I don’t.
There you go again, getting all upset.
MB4 on April 26, 2010 at 2:05 AM
Just because you only concern yourself with comments of mine that are about race does not mean I always take that bent. Also, you are wholly unwilling to acknowledge that I am always responding to another person’s comments or remarks.
You have disdain for my disgust with bigotry and connontations thereof but no problem with the numerous racially-charged remarks and actions about which I consistently complain.
Awww cuddlebug, don’t worry. I’m not mad at you.
I’ll agree with you on that and call it a day. You really only consider one aspect of my thousands and thousands of comments.
The Race Card on April 26, 2010 at 2:12 AM
If you can pull yourself away from a thread that you can turn into one about race long enough to look at the Quote of the Day thread, where I have been spending most of my time here on Hotair, go over and take a look there. I just gave you a shout-out. I hope you like it.
MB4 on April 26, 2010 at 2:22 AM
Well you do certainly do seem to be consistently and constantly complaining, that’s for sure.
MB4 on April 26, 2010 at 2:24 AM
You’re right, I smack down bigots often. The racist, homophobic, religious bigotry and other expressions of prejudice are fairly common at my favorite site.
Too bad you’re one of the typically wussified conservatives who sits back and endures or enjoys the racial-antagonism that is becoming a platform bullet point.
I wonder if you’re one of the multitudes who actually emailed photos of witch doctors and watermelon patches on the White House lawn. I wonder if you’re one of the ones who condoned the sign by Dave Robertson.
I wonder why if neither of the above statements is true why you would have so much a problem with me speaking up against such ugly, racial-rhetoric. Instead you get mad because I dare to speak vigorously against racial, ethnic, religious and sexual bigotry.
The Race Card on April 26, 2010 at 3:00 AM
RE “The Race Card on April 26, 2010 at 3:00 AM”
How many straw-men are allowed in a single post?
I mean, there has to be a limit, right?
shorebird on April 26, 2010 at 3:13 AM
What in Sam Hill is a black man doing in there? You mean… its not just whites who object to this issue? well now… I’ll be danged.
johnnyU on April 26, 2010 at 4:49 AM
Gosh they didn’t seem to have any problem with the abortion/Obamacare executive order.
I guess killing an innocent is less important than enforcing national border laws.
Don L on April 26, 2010 at 5:10 AM
how infuriating, pundits on the tv shows this am pushing this meme of cops going to stop you JUST because you look hispanic….I wish they would read the bill and get a clue instead of pushing this tripe
cmsinaz on April 26, 2010 at 8:04 AM
I bet you know it when you see it, too.
Saltysam on April 26, 2010 at 8:47 AM
I wonder how many land owners, business owners, teachers, police officers, construction workers, health care workers, parents, firefighters and other Arizona citizens with last names like Vasquez, Rodriguez, and Ramirez, or with any shade of “brown skin”, get ignored by the white-liberal-media when their comments contradict the edicts of the white-liberal-ruling-class?
It seems we live in an age when those that make claims that they know bigotry when they see it under every nuanced subtlety have a shameless blind spot for unbridled sanctimony.
Saltysam on April 26, 2010 at 9:23 AM
Those who wallow in their victimhood and see bigots around every corner will rail against massive oppression that exists, mostly, in their own minds. It cannot be a joyful way to pass through life. The weight of their hatred is a heavy burden but I don’t feel sorry for them. Their personal purgatory is of their own making. They can unmake it but they choose not to. They are happier in their misery because they believe that misery is someone else’s fault.
SKYFOX on April 26, 2010 at 9:57 AM
Some people here I noticed have blown this off as a concern.
As a North Dakotan here there ARE illegal Canadians here.
Right down the road, in fact.
Now they have been fighting deportation (they run a business here, not very well, I might add, but they aren’t loafers).
I would say that WA state has more to worry about from illegal Canadian immigration than we do.
Doesn’t anyone remember some Arabic man (or men) getting arrested on one of the ferries about a bomb or something to that order?
He was coming FROM CANADA.
Don’t you all think that terrorists can’t figure out they can get across another border?
And there are illegal Canadians coming to ND to work.
I’ve known of more than just a few.
Badger40 on April 26, 2010 at 10:16 AM
Yeah, I remember your strong defense of Palin’s sexist critics. My my, what a typical, lilly white hypocrite you are.
Cracks me up to read little white kids cowering behind the human shield of minority racism to give yourself political ammo. You really must be a new level of douche to co-op another race’s true suffering simply so you can score political points. For Christ’s sake, you pieces of filth libs have exploited the black community for their guaranteed votes, but not even that is enough.
I am picturing you right now with your shaved pubic hair glued to your head, sodomizing yourself with a David Duke branded marital aid screaming “Violate my civil liberties!”
ClassicCon on April 26, 2010 at 10:56 AM
The Race Card. Hot Air’s own version of fake but accurate.
Wolftech on April 26, 2010 at 11:09 AM
fastestslug on April 26, 2010 at 11:43 AM
ONCE AGAIN (for the logically-impaired):
1. The Constitution is a CONTRACT.
2. If you are not a Citizen, you are NOT a party to the Contract.
“ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS”, aka “INVADERS” have NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!!!! They have not agreed with the Constitution, have not agreed to protect or defend it (and thus have not agreed to defend US Citizens’ rights), and have not agreed to provide any benefits whatsoever to the USA. They have already violated our sovereignty and have already violated and shown contempt for our laws.
ILLEGAL MEANS ILLEGAL!!!
landlines on April 26, 2010 at 12:36 PM
But wait…HA’s resident Atticus Finch, Rags, has conclusively determined that this law is ironclad in its constitutionality. The legal opinion of this towering intellect surely supersedes the fact that numerous experts and commentators of all political stripes have seriously questioned the constitutionality of this statute…no?
dakine on April 26, 2010 at 12:37 PM
I know I feel better knowing landlines knows a lot more than Judge Andrew Napolitano.
fastestslug on April 26, 2010 at 12:38 PM
The Supremes have held otherwise regarding certain provisions of the Constitution (due process clause, etc.). Nonetheless, there are serious constitutional issues surrounding the fact that this statute may violate certain constitutional rights of US CITIZENS. You get that, right?
dakine on April 26, 2010 at 12:43 PM
This deserves a good fisking, so here it is…
The comment about ccr6 “schooling” anybody here is so objectively false, it is an apparent lie. Here is why:
1. in the exchange, ccr6 was exposed as a liar; that is, they said something DEMONSTRABLY false, which was repudiated by simply posting what they had earlier written;
2. in the exchange, Heart Of Atlanta was cited by ccr6 as a case law predicate for the proposition that Obamacare’s mandate is constitutional…that the Court compelled the hotelier in that case to commit commerce. This was later admitted by ccr6 to be total BS;
3. in the exchange, ccr6 was reduced to ad hominem sputtering and typical liberal name-calling…signaling his/her defeat in the area of rational argument.
As respects my blog, I have to thank dakine for The Blog Nobody Reads (TM) line. I will use it like Seinfeld’s “The Show About Nothing” statement.
“Anybody reading that derivative POS?” Let’s take that apart; most blogs…as most newspaper articles…are “derivative” in that they do not involve totally novel content, but report and/or comment on something already known. One exception is Doctor Zero, who posts entirely original writing…some of the best and most solidly conservative commentary on the internet. I am very proud and honored that Dr. Zero links to my humble blog, as does Doug Ross (another of the BIGS in the blogosphere).
But even on my blog (which does derive both subject and content from various sources), you will find novel, original content, as well–
http://hindenblog1.blogspot.com/2010/04/burn-johnson-beclowns-himself-on.html
which I think is the first…maybe the only…story on Johnson’s lie. (Maybe this isn’t news…)
http://hindenblog1.blogspot.com/2010/04/burn-lisa-jackson-is-danger-to-america.html
which reveals…for the first time I know of…Lisa Jackson (EPA administrator) believes a lie at least as MAD as the one about the CIA inventing AIDS to kill black people. (Why does Obama surround himself with people who believe outrageous racial lies?)
http://hindenblog1.blogspot.com/2010/04/humanity-parable-of-my-neighbors.html
which is totally original, and notes that…if the Left was really afraid of TEA Parties…the Left would not call the TEA Party names. (What if TEA Party people were devout Muslims…hmmmm?)
I started the blog in March. I write because I need to. Readership would be wonderful, but I’m not doing too badly for a very “baby blogger”.
“POS” is not a rational criticism; it is potty
mouthpenkeyboard bomb-throwing. I know there are perfectly valid criticisms one could make, and I would welcome them.So, we have an excellent demonstration from crr6, dakine, and Race. They represent the collective well and authentically here. They lie, call names, assert pure crap, and propagate disinformation.
Ragspierre on April 26, 2010 at 12:53 PM
How about we watch and see? Or you provide any legally sound argument why it is “unconstitutional” before it has been implemented?
Ragspierre on April 26, 2010 at 12:55 PM
You used to be all about enforcement and anti-illegal immigration AP. Now you scour to see if there’s anything there to call the people on that side of the argument racists and/or some kind of fascists who want to take away other people’s civil liberties. What about those people who have to deal with the escalating tactics of the Mexican drug cartels? What do Americans do about Mexicans who will cross the border and kidnap your family members? Why are Americans who just want to have the laws enforced forced to prove they have no ulterior motives other than simply protecting their property and “own” civil rights?
Sultry Beauty on April 26, 2010 at 1:05 PM
You must feel like Custer. He was surrounded by all those Indians and you are surrounded by all those bigots. I’ll bet most of your coworkers are bigots; your teachers in school were mostly bigots; if you fly on a plane the pilot, co-pilot and most of the stewardesses are probably bigots; the police are practically all bigots; even your mailman is probably a bigot. How do you stand it?
MB4 on April 26, 2010 at 1:05 PM
And, apropos Atticus Finch, please read (and note the date)…
http://hindenblog1.blogspot.com/2010/04/crash-josh-marshall-let-me-introduce.html
Ragspierre on April 26, 2010 at 1:07 PM
I am not mad at you, not at all.
Amused, now that’s very much another matter.
MB4 on April 26, 2010 at 1:09 PM
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