Video: Arizona governor signs controversial immigration bill; Update: Corrected
posted at 5:47 pm on April 23, 2010 by Allahpundit
Between this and The One’s baffling new amnesty push, looks like we’re headed for a full-blown immigration clusterfark just in time for the midterms. Sweet! Obama will use this to mobilize Latinos against the GOP’s nativistically nativist nativism and the GOP will use it as an object lesson in why Congress needs to ratchet border enforcement waaaay up so that states don’t have to take this into their own hands. Let’s get it on.
Here’s the text of the bill, by the way; the important stuff is on page 1. If statutory language isn’t your thing, try the legislative fact sheet instead. The media is telling me that this bill will do all sorts of draconian things, like require citizens to carry proof of citizenship at all times. After skimming the bill, I can’t find it. I think this is the money section:
B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE, WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE PERSON’S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).
The alarmist theory, I guess, is that merely being Latino will be treated as “reasonable suspicion” and that if you don’t have a driver’s license or birth certificate with you when the cop asks for it, then it’s to jail you’ll be going. I don’t read it that way; Brewer said at today’s ceremony that she won’t tolerate racial profiling and issued an executive order authorizing the state police board to develop standards for “reasonable suspicion.” Article 8, Section F of the bill (on page 2) seems to say that cops can’t be prevented from checking your status, but that doesn’t mean “carry papers or go to jail.” It means they can run your name through a computer to confirm whether you’re here legally and no left-leaning municipal authority can stop them. There may be something in the bill requiring immigrants to keep proof of legal status with them, but I honestly can’t find it. Can anyone help?
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Update (2/25): Mea culpa — looks like I was reading the wrong version of the bill. You’ll find my thoughts on the final version here.
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Like your driver’s license? Credit cards? The law says they have to have it on them at all times, but common sense dictates otherwise? Is that it?
Akzed on April 24, 2010 at 10:12 AM
I sincerely, hope this motivates the Federal Government to become responsible, and carry out its responsibility, “We the People” bestowed upon them.
But, My Hats off to Arizona for taking the lead to take the action the Federal Government is required to do. Arizona, has become our front door, and the Federal Government allowed a private citizen to be killed while trying to close the door.
When will the Government take on its responsibility to protect U.S. from invasion of those not authorized to be here in the first place. Maybe, they will take action after the Census, the enumeration of U.S., legal and illegal, by legal and illegal counters.
MSGTAS on April 24, 2010 at 10:18 AM
Oh you authoritarians…when will you learn that the police are not to be trusted?
ernesto on April 24, 2010 at 10:55 AM
With the current regime in ppwer, it will take Hugo Chavez & his new BFF, Mahmoud Ama-need-a-dinner-jacket, lining our border with a newly formed Iranian Quds Force-trained Venezualan Revolutionary Guard.
NightmareOnKStreet on April 24, 2010 at 11:01 AM
sorry- I must’ve hit the submit button too soon…
With our current regime in power, it will take Hugo Chavez & his new BFF, Mahmoud Ama-need-a-dinner-jacket, lining our border with the newly formed Iranian Quds Force-trained Venezualan Revolutionary Guard. Then a few days to squeeze in the inevitable WH Beer Summit… Between golf, hoops, teleprompter practice & the daily dismanteling of capitalism, it may take weeks to find an opening…
NightmareOnKStreet on April 24, 2010 at 11:16 AM
Why are Dear Leader and others upset about AZ adopting a law that is closer to Mexico’s immigration and visitor laws than ours? Isn’t it a tip of the hat from AZ to its neighbor? I say we all just cut to the chase and adopt Mexico’s laws and enforce them.
InTheBellyoftheBeast on April 24, 2010 at 11:24 AM
Either it’s open borders or it’s not.
If so, we should annex Mexico and clean the place up.
If not, keep them in their own country until they migrate legally.
Do you support anarchy? Now Mexico is threatening Arizona. Why doesn’t Guatemala threaten Mexico for it’s own harsh border enforcement down south?
scotash on April 24, 2010 at 11:26 AM
For now, “the Government” is Barry Obama. He believes the US is founded on a flawed concept and is historically guilty of all manner of ills that only he can correct via fundamental transformation. The reduction of our economic and military and world political power to ashes is part of that transformation and repentance for past sins. Opening the floodgates to illegals is another part. The answer to your question “when” is never as long as this preening, self-important, walking coliform bacteria smear is President.
SKYFOX on April 24, 2010 at 11:27 AM
However this turns out it was refreshing to see the AZ governer give Obama the finger and sign the bill. I am glad to see some goverment entity taking the problem seriously for a change.
duff65 on April 24, 2010 at 11:43 AM
I’m an Arizonan.
They call us a ‘purple state’ with all the SoCal libs fleeing their mess for our relatively reasonable cost of living.
With this bill, we are proving that we’ve had enough and will take care of our own. Watch the corrupt media descend and curn-up false reports of abuse and racism.
We’ll need all of your support turning this thing around.
It’s time to stand-up.
jimmer on April 24, 2010 at 11:59 AM
“Authoritarian” is a bit strong (although it’s much weaker than some of the words your side often uses to smear liberals), but ernesto raises a good question. You guys proclaim to be for “limited government”, but in this thread most of you support one of the most grossly intrusive laws I’ve seen in years. And you’re all for giving the government a great deal of deference to enforce it “reasonably”, even though the potential for abuse is huge. Looks like you’re only for “limited government” and “civil liberties” when it involves your economic policy preferences.
crr6 on April 24, 2010 at 11:59 AM
We like when the government intrudes into the lives of criminals.
Buddahpundit on April 24, 2010 at 12:15 PM
the troll spaketh.
ted c on April 24, 2010 at 12:16 PM
<blockquote“Authoritarian” is a bit strong (although it’s much weaker than some of the words your side often uses to smear liberals), but ernesto raises a good question. You guys proclaim to be for “limited government”, but in this thread most of you support one of the most grossly intrusive laws I’ve seen in years. And you’re all for giving the government a great deal of deference to enforce it “reasonably”, even though the potential for abuse is huge. Looks like you’re only for “limited government” and “civil liberties” when it involves your economic policy preferences.
crr6 on April 24, 2010 at 11:59 AM
Is a desire not to be raped or murdered considered a “civil liberty” in your daddy funded college classroom?
Nice way to spin it, but last time I checked it was actually in the constitution that the government was to protect the citizens. Thanks to people like you however, the Federal government has been allowed to ignore the problem and the cost of a few American lives is quite ok with your side as long as it means importing a new voter demographic.
Sorry it had to come to this, but your side not only allowed, it encouraged this real crisis.
Let me see…take my chances with a potential dirty cop vs. proven criminal illegal aliens.
Once again, it is cute getting lectures from 18-year-olds whose only life experience is through a hollywood lense.
ClassicCon on April 24, 2010 at 12:18 PM
So you’re fine with racial profiling and infringements on civil liberties because….illegal immigration is a big problem. Gotcha.
That’s fine, but just don’t lecture the rest of us on “civil liberties”, “limited government” or “following the letter of the Constituton”. You’ve made it abundantly clear you don’t care about any of those things.
crr6 on April 24, 2010 at 12:23 PM
Or, anyone who is of Hispanic descent and/or speaks Spanish. Constitutional protections don’t count for them ;)
crr6 on April 24, 2010 at 12:24 PM
I frankly think that anyone who considers this battle “sweet” has a real problem.
good grief.
AnninCA on April 24, 2010 at 12:27 PM
crr6 on April 24, 2010 at 12:24 PM
Who was there protecting Mr. Krentz’s right to live?
Illegal Immigrants are here illegally. They are not American citizens. Therefore, they have no claim to Constitutional protection. On top of that, all they are to Obama is a potential new voting base to get him and the rest of your idols re-elected. So a Hispanic citizen gets pulled over and has to show their Driver’s License and Proof of Insurance. So does every other American citizen when they are pulled over. Grow up and get over it.
kingsjester on April 24, 2010 at 12:33 PM
Constitutional protections extend to Americans of any descent. You want them to extend to illegals. That’s stupid and violates the letter and spirit of the Constitution.
SKYFOX on April 24, 2010 at 12:33 PM
Well, a couple things.
1) You know this that Hispanics who are here legally will be negatively impacted by this law. That’s the whole point. Law enforcement officers in Arizona now have a virtually unqualified right to hassle people. Not just illegal immigrants. But anyone.
2) The 14th amendment due process clause applies to persons, not citizens. Before you opine on the “letter and spirit” of the Constitution, perhaps you should read it.
crr6 on April 24, 2010 at 12:46 PM
The committed communist “crr6″ is playing from the Alinsky book. It has no regard for the US, it’s sovereignty or it’s people. It feels a mass, unfettered illegal invasion is very helpful in destroying what’s left of the United States.
darwin on April 24, 2010 at 12:47 PM
From Yick Wo v. Hopkins (1886)
crr6 on April 24, 2010 at 12:51 PM
Yeah? Maybe before you “opine”, you should read it as well. It tasks the government with protecting the US and it’s citizens … something it’s failed to do. Arizona, as well as all other states have an obligation to protect their citizens when it becomes evident that the federal government has abdicated it’s responsibility to do so.
As is typical with all communists … destroying what’s left of the US is priority over the actual rights and well being of citizens of this country.
darwin on April 24, 2010 at 12:51 PM
Yes, here we go. In the absence of any ability to articulate any thought … the communist crr6 reverts to it’s old standby of quoting others.
darwin on April 24, 2010 at 12:53 PM
Yeah, when I make a claim about the Constitution I…you know…back it up with evidence. You guys just make sh*t up.
crr6 on April 24, 2010 at 12:54 PM
BRAVO Governor Jan Brewer!!!
Thank you for having the courage to enforce the laws that protect us!
wren on April 24, 2010 at 12:56 PM
You wipe your ass with the Constitution. The only time you pay any attention to it is when you can use it to advance the communist agenda of killing off the United States.
Get bent.
darwin on April 24, 2010 at 12:56 PM
You’re adorable. He’s like a little wingnut action figure. When you push the right button, he squeaks “you’re a communist!”.
crr6 on April 24, 2010 at 1:03 PM
At least you’re consistent … you’ve never denied the charge, not once. Very telling.
Of course, all anyone has to do is read your comments to see that your loyalties lie somewhere other than to the United States.
darwin on April 24, 2010 at 1:07 PM
lol.
crr6 on April 24, 2010 at 1:08 PM
The fourteenth Amendment is not a suicide pact. It does not say that criminals (illegal aliens are criminals, no matter what you think of them) may not be dealt with by our police and courts, only that resident non-citizens are sujbect to the same laws, access to attorneys, rules of evidence, etc. as apply to citizens. It does not confer citizenship on illegal aliens.
SKYFOX on April 24, 2010 at 1:10 PM
See what I mean?
darwin on April 24, 2010 at 1:12 PM
According to the communist crr6 … what it does do is confer extraordinary rights to illegal aliens.
darwin on April 24, 2010 at 1:13 PM
heh.
Right, but they have to be given due process. This law almost certainly violates the due process clause. If you don’t know why, look up the “void for vagueness” line of cases.
I know. The privileges and immunities clause only applies to citizens, but the due process and equal protection clauses apply to anyone within our borders. I’m not saying they should be able to vote, get welfare benefits etc….those are all privileges that go along with citizenship. But they are entitled to due process, and this law violates that. Simply because they’re here illegally doesn’t give us free license to treat them like animals.
crr6 on April 24, 2010 at 1:14 PM
Time to conscript all mexicans, put them to work building a wall on the southern border and when it is finished throw them off to the south.
Problem solved.
Inanemergencydial on April 24, 2010 at 1:16 PM
Since it is clearly unconstitutional then it will be struck down, problem solved more Americans die. Cute, you care more about the civil liberties of criminal invaders than the lives of American citizens? Don’t worry, I am sure there will be plenty of illegals for your parents to hire to do work around your all white neighborhood.
At this point, it is against the law to enter this country illegally. How exactly does that get enforced, since your side blocks every attempt to enforce this law. Is the only way to enforce this law is to wait until a criminal alien commits a crime?
ClassicCon on April 24, 2010 at 1:16 PM
You’re the only one implying that the Arizona law will treat them “like animals”. Typical communist … trying to reframe the debate.
darwin on April 24, 2010 at 1:17 PM
Unless it’s changed, and/or unless the governor ensures that police departments have stricter guidelines to enforce it with, yeah, it will almost certainly be struck down.
Our Constitution wasn’t designed to be void simply because we have an illegal immigration crisis, just as I’m sure you would agree it wasn’t meant to be void simply because we have a health care crisis. And this law will violate the due process rights of plenty of American citizens as well, not just illegal immigrants.
crr6 on April 24, 2010 at 1:21 PM
Simply because they’re here illegally doesn’t give us free license to treat them like animals.
crr6 on April 24, 2010 at 1:14 PM
How is making them produce a Drivers’ License and Proof of Insurance treating them like an animal? Huh. I’ve been treated like an animal and didn’t even know it.
Hold on, princess. I’m going to get you on the phone with Mr. Krentz’s son. You can explain to him why the illegals have a right to be here.
kingsjester on April 24, 2010 at 1:23 PM
So according to you immigration laws are one of those phony laws that are unenforceable?
ClassicCon on April 24, 2010 at 1:25 PM
Hmmm … that’s odd, maybe that’s why it gave the federal government authority over immigration … so there wouldn’t be an illegal alien invasion.
Since the federal government has ignored it’s reponsibilities … and endangered not only the lives of citizens, but their livelihoods as well, Arizona’s primary task of protecting is citizens should trump any frivolous lawsuit.
darwin on April 24, 2010 at 1:27 PM
Careful! You might make the twag throw a doily at the TV!
Inanemergencydial on April 24, 2010 at 1:27 PM
I’m assuming you believe the Health Care Bill is unconstitutional. Would you sympathize with the argument: “We shouldn’t strike down this bill even though it’s unconstitutional because if we do, more Americans will die due to the lack of access to health insurance”?
I’m guessing no.
crr6 on April 24, 2010 at 1:28 PM
Stupid comparison. More people will die because of ObamaCare. Prior to ObamaCare, anyone … including illegals received life saving treatment based on a physicians recommendations. Now, people will be at the mercy of fat, corrupt, incompetent bureaucrats.
Man, now I know why you quote everyone and anything. When you comment on your own it comes out sounding pretty darn stupid.
darwin on April 24, 2010 at 1:32 PM
So AZ will not be a ‘sanctuary state ” anymore
But wasn’t the concept of ‘sanctuary state or city’ a violation of the law to begin with ?
That means AZ doesn’t want to violate the law anymore
And that is a big problem
macncheez on April 24, 2010 at 1:33 PM
LOL!
Glassify the region south of the Rio Grande with radioactive cobalt. That will keep them out.
Inanemergencydial on April 24, 2010 at 1:35 PM
So you are saying using the police powers of the state to confiscate part of my livelihood to support another citizen is in the constitution
but…
using the police powers of the state to enforce immigration laws is unconstitutional…
Again, name one way that you support enforcing immigration laws.
ClassicCon on April 24, 2010 at 1:36 PM
The trolls must assume that all Arizona cops are white supremacist or something.
Many cops in Arizona are of Hispanic origin, many are of Native American origin.
You can bet that the vast majority of cops, no matter their origin, are today cheering this signed bill. Cops in Arizona need appropriate tools to catch criminals, as do cops in every state. Give them the damn tools! That’s all this bill is about.
You watch, ordinary citizens going about their daily business are not going to be harassed just because of this law. But now, say 16 people who show up on foot in the middle of nowhere at a desert gas station looking for convenience-store food might now get asked for their drivers’ licenses.
Edouard on April 24, 2010 at 1:37 PM
Answer the question. Would you sympathize with that argument? You should, because you’re essentially making the same argument.
crr6 on April 24, 2010 at 1:40 PM
Communists are cuteist when they make demands.
Inanemergencydial on April 24, 2010 at 1:45 PM
I wouldn’t sympathize, because as I showed already they are not even close to the same argument.
Now, how about you answer my question.
ClassicCon on April 24, 2010 at 1:52 PM
What is there about when you don’t respect out laws and our sovereignty, you’re not respecting us, that’s so hard to understand?
Speakup on April 24, 2010 at 1:56 PM
I guess all of us white people should start whining whenever we are asked to show an ID since in being asked we are being treated like animals.
Rose on April 24, 2010 at 1:56 PM
How so, hypocrite?
crr6 on April 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM
In each example, you’re advocating the government doing something unconstitutional, because you think it will “save lives”. How are they different?
crr6 on April 24, 2010 at 1:58 PM
Its a target rich environment, no English, no drivers license, no insurance, someone else’s SS#?
Tough call, buh-bye.
Speakup on April 24, 2010 at 2:10 PM
We should ALL protest in loud voices everytime the mean cashiers in grocery stores make us produce our original credit card when we want to pay with a credit card ?
Why do they need our credit card ? Its so inconvenient to carry the darn thing everywhere.
macncheez on April 24, 2010 at 2:20 PM
The salient term is illegal.
Mason on April 24, 2010 at 2:26 PM
It would be analogous if rather than you walking up to the cashier in a grocery store, the cashier stopped you randomly on the street and asked for your credit card. And then if you don’t have it, she’d take you down to the station for a few hours to “sort things out”.
I’m sure you’d be perfectly fine with that.
crr6 on April 24, 2010 at 2:50 PM
Yeah, if you’re ever stopped on the street by a police officer and asked for your papers for no apparent reason (other than being a certain race, or speaking a certain language), you should complain. It’s odd that you find that proposition novel.
crr6 on April 24, 2010 at 2:56 PM
I will come to the conclusion that Arizona’s law has gone too far if Mexicans illegally in the U.S. are treated anywhere near as badly as the Mexicans treat those who come up across their southern border into their country illegally. Mexicans are among the worlds biggest racists.
MB4 on April 24, 2010 at 3:08 PM
Racism Rears Its Ugly Head in Mexico
During the much-publicized Minuteman Project in Arizona last March, Fox’s arrogant comments and dismissive attitude didn’t win him too many fans north of the border. Then in May, while making yet another speech about how America couldn’t function without illegal immigrants from Mexico, Fox managed to insult African Americans in the process. He claimed that illegals do the work that “not even black people want to do,” implying that African Americans make up the lowest rungs of society.
About a month later came the unveiling of Mexico’s latest series of postage stamps, featuring none other than a black character like something out of a minstrel show. Needless to say, Fox found himself on the defensive yet again — with good reason.
It turns out that racism in Mexico, both against blacks and dark-skinned indigenous Indians, has a long history. Mexico’s colonial past has left its mark on modern-day society. Prejudice toward “pureblood” Indians from those who are “mixed-blood” (Spanish and Indian) is rife. Almost uniformly, people who are darker-skinned and of Indian descent make up the peasantry and working classes, while lighter-skinned, Spanish-descent Mexicans are in the ruling elite. Fox himself comes from that background, as his appearance makes evident.
This inequality may explain in part why the majority of immigrants coming into the United States fall into the darker-skinned category. Beyond the failure of the Mexican government to sustain a decent economy, darker-skinned Mexicans have a difficult time getting work because of job discrimination. According to the Web site IndigenousPeople.net, “sixty percent of Indians over 12 years of age are already unemployed, and of those who work, most earn less than the minimum wage of about $2.50 a day.” The same story notes that Mexico City’s top restaurants don’t allow patrons to bring along Indian domestic workers for fear of tarnishing their business image.
MB4 on April 24, 2010 at 3:17 PM
privilege of complexion
The Race Card on April 24, 2010 at 3:21 PM
Racist Mexican Gangs “Ethnic Cleansing” Blacks In L.A.
Latino thugs indiscriminately murder blacks regardless of gang membership, genocidal purge aligns with radical Aztlan theology.
Racist Mexican gangs are indiscriminately targeting blacks who aren’t even involved in gang culture, as part of an orchestrated ethnic cleansing program that is forcing black people to flee Los Angeles. The culprit of the carnage is the radical Neo-Nazi liberation theology known as La Raza, which calls for the extermination of all races in America besides Latinos, and is being bankrolled by some of the biggest Globalists in the U.S.
A story carried on the liberal website Alternet, charts an explosion in brutal murders of blacks by Hispanic street gangs in L.A. Far from being gang on gang violence, the Latinos are targeting innocent blacks in accordance with a concerted ethnic cleansing campaign that seeks to eradicate all blacks from Hispanic neighborhoods.
MB4 on April 24, 2010 at 3:27 PM
crr6, if 500,000 people where I lived were illegal middle aged white women causing problems I would see why. Maybe the legal law abiding mexican americans should be less tolerant towards their illegal neighbors.
Rose on April 24, 2010 at 3:30 PM
The Race Card race-centric belief system:
1) All roads start with race.
2) All roads end with race.
3) The Sun revolves around race.
4) The moon revolves around race.
5) The stars revolve around race.
6) If The Race Card does not obsess about race 24×7, the orbital stability of the Earth will become unbalanced and we will all fall into the sun.
MB4 on April 24, 2010 at 3:35 PM
Oh yeah, you’re the one who ________ ____________.
You know whom I see on every blog thread about race complaining about race? You.
The Race Card on April 24, 2010 at 3:37 PM
You did not just link to prison planet…
Sir or madam, put the tinfoil hat down, and back away slowly.
ernesto on April 24, 2010 at 3:50 PM
I think MB4′s post pretty much has you pegged.
BigWyo on April 24, 2010 at 3:52 PM
I seldom even comment about race and about half the time I do it’s complaining about you complaining obsessively about race.
Be honest now, and admit, at least to your private self, that my “The Race Card race-centric belief system” fits you like a tailor made glove.
MB4 on April 24, 2010 at 4:00 PM
You should not be so quick to judge a book by it’s cover. Remember Martin Luther King’s words.
MB4 on April 24, 2010 at 4:05 PM
We should all give The Race Card credit for picking a fitting name anyway. Truth in advertising award material.
MB4 on April 24, 2010 at 4:10 PM
“Illegal alien” is not a race, idiots.
Parity is important in a civil society:
If the citizens of Arizona were faced with a growing and uncontrollable influx of Irish illegal aliens that were; causing problems to the school system; skyrocketing cost of health insurance; overloading the prisons; pressuring future relative incomes of the poor and middle classes to trend below a rising standard of living; threatening life and safety; and destroying the value of private property (of which many of the names attached to those titles have names like Vasquez and Hernandez), while the circus clowns in Washington smile and pat each other on the back in their dereliction of duty in regards to an INTERNATIONAL border…
…then when Officer Rodriguez asks for positive identification when confronted with a person that he perceives as quite possibly NOT a citizen of the US, he would be serving to protect and preserve the peace of the citizens of Arizona.
Asking that police officer to dance around a legal straight jacket to determine what tipped him off is ridiculous. That completely circumvents the bottom line. He, as well as the entire legal apparatus, is not empowered to arrest and deport a US citizen, simply because he “looked” Irish.
Duh.
Saltysam on April 24, 2010 at 4:18 PM
If I have my credit card with me , it won’t be a problem for me
Now someone who has a stolen credit card, will need the help of LaRaza and the local Mexican government agency
macncheez on April 24, 2010 at 4:25 PM
I have health insurance, it won’t be a problem for me.
; )
crr6 on April 24, 2010 at 4:32 PM
Don’t you have illegals to smuggle across the border or something?
darwin on April 24, 2010 at 4:56 PM
Wow, look everyone! The wingnut action figure has a new line!
*Pokes darwin again*
crr6 on April 24, 2010 at 5:02 PM
But what exactly does Officer Rodriguez perceive that would lead him to determine someone is of reasonably suspicious legal status? A thick mustache? Hearing spoken spanish? Dirty jeans? What?
ernesto on April 24, 2010 at 5:05 PM
Wow … a funny communist! Hey, seriously … the test will be whether you remain commited to the democrat (aka communist) party at the end of Obama’s term. By then, it will be blatantly obvious that the democrat party disappeared many moons ago. If you still stick with the democrats, at least be honest enough to admit you’re a communist. If you decide being a communist isn’t really where it’s at well, we never hold a grudge.
darwin on April 24, 2010 at 5:21 PM
And this is where you are in error. It does neither. You may not like it or think it “fair”, but there is due process.
The last line is typical lazy lefty emotional caulking trying to hold a failed argument together.
ray on April 24, 2010 at 5:22 PM
C’mon, I lived in a border town. It was pretty obvious who was an American or in the US legally vs not.
darwin on April 24, 2010 at 5:25 PM
Good point. Give commie crr6 time to find a quote of someone saying the opposite.
darwin on April 24, 2010 at 5:27 PM
Easy, intellectual lightweight…good thing you picked a profession already flooded with douchebags because it is obvious you won’t stick out.
I answered your question. Is their any charitable police force that I can go to protect me from invading criminal aliens? Or am I forced to rely on your federal government for protection. Exactly. Now quit being a little bitch and answer mine.
Oh and as an aside, my conservative wife treated a boy with cancer at the local “migrant worker” clinic for three years. Guess how much the family had to pay.
Name one thing you or your lilly white family has done as the caring non-hypocritical liberal that you are.
ClassicCon on April 24, 2010 at 5:33 PM
Sounds like ernesto would be perfect for the Arizona police force…sign him up!
Since crr6 won’t answer I was ask the other resident millennial representative. Name one police action that you would support to enforce immigration laws.
ClassicCon on April 24, 2010 at 5:38 PM
Well I haven’t…but i DO live in a place with lots of foreign language speaking, dark skinned, poor DOCUMENTED immigrants…if you were a police officer walking down the street, how would YOU assess reasonable suspicion?? Would an American born Puerto Rican get harassed in that instance? How could you design such a suspicion that didn’t ensnare innocent Americans and legal immigrants minding their own business?
Workplace inspections and a damn near militarized border. But none of this “reasonable suspicion of illegal status” BS…that’s an invitation to harass Americans and legal immigrants who look poor and hispanic.
ernesto on April 24, 2010 at 5:42 PM
Read, Ernie, read!
My comment covered your stupid question.
Saltysam on April 24, 2010 at 5:59 PM
No it doesn’t.
ernesto on April 24, 2010 at 6:04 PM
Documented? One doesn’t normally receive permission to enter the country for any length of time without a means of support … whether it be a job or relatives. Secondly, many documented workers speak english to a reasonable degree.
No one is supposed to get a green card just to come live in the US for a while. There should be a valid reason.
I also think it’s hysterical the way you and others continue to say they’re “dark skinned”. Yeah, they are … so what?
We’re not just talking about a few thousand illegals here, we’re talking millions. It’s a serious problem and one of the factors in rising health care costs and many cities and towns bust their budgets because of the illegal populations.
Exactly what do you propose we do? Reward their behavior by granting them citizenship? Why aren’t we be looking at the root of the problem? Countries with mostly socialist and communist governments are creating the problems that encourages people to flee. The answer is not in the US absorbing everyone, the answer is fixing the countries they left.
darwin on April 24, 2010 at 6:19 PM
Wow this law makes it great to have white skin. If someone with dark pigment jumps in front of me at a checkout line all I have to do is call the police and tell them he is a suspected illegal. This is cool!
Decider on April 24, 2010 at 6:28 PM
Wow, that’s pretty racist, coming from a liberal even. But I’m not surprised, liberals are inherently racist anyway.
darwin on April 24, 2010 at 6:33 PM
Then you admit that you have no idea how the hell anyone’s suppose to determine reasonable suspicion? That its really just about harassing anyone who looks hispanic for identification? Are you so willing to institute Stazi-style policing so long as you feel safe?
I’m perfectly fine with militarizing the border. I don’t think anyone and everyone has an inherent right to come here. But as a hispanic American, born to American parents, I would find it truly an affront to my rights to get stopped on ‘reasonable suspicion of illegal status’. American’s don’t have to submit to “let me see your papers” just because they fit a completely amorphous description.
Its the jackbooted authoritarian nature of this particular enforcement measure thats got me pissed, not that illegals are being targeted. Its that I could be targeted, so long as my jeans were dirty enough and I got surveilled standing on a corner at which day laborers congregate.
ernesto on April 24, 2010 at 6:40 PM
crr6 on April 24, 2010 at 6:43 PM
Hmmm … no, I didn’t “admit” that. Sounds like you’re blowing things way out of proportion. I don’t care if you’re Hispanic, and I don’t care if you’re so worried that a cop might stop you you’re about to pee in your pants.
What you should be worried about is the enormous burden and cost millions of illegals are having on this country.
As for me, I have an olive complexion and my wife always says I look like a Palestinian. I have no idea … I was adopted. You, ernesto … have nothing to worry about.
darwin on April 24, 2010 at 6:49 PM
Is this all a lawyer does? Cites previous cases? I want to be a lawyer. I thought lawyers had to make compelling arguments … you know, convince the jury, the judge that they’re right … that justice is on their side.
Hell, cite cases, quote people and charge $300 an hour. Not bad.
darwin on April 24, 2010 at 6:54 PM
LOL, yeah buddy. You need to make your argument based on some sort of authority which means…citing cases. The court doesn’t give a cr*p how compelling your argument is if it isn’t based on any law.
crr6 on April 24, 2010 at 6:57 PM
Thread winner.
Darwin, you’re a bit of a tool. Ignorantly throwing around the term “communist” in every post at anybody with a different point of view from your very narrow one reminds me of the ridiculous moonbats on Kos and elsewhere who refer to every conservative they run across as a raging Nazi. You don’t appear to be very bright either.
dakine on April 24, 2010 at 6:58 PM
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