It’s on: “Everybody Draw Mohammed Day” set for May 20th
posted at 9:50 pm on April 23, 2010 by Allahpundit
Someone at Dan Savage’s blog started it, then Michael Moynihan at Reason picked it up, now I feel obliged to help push it out there. Says Moynihan:
I will be employing my tremendous skill as an illustrator, of course, and expect that my colleagues will do the same. If they refuse, they will be declared weak-kneed, namby-pamby, quisling infidels and will be shamed on this blog (Though such idle threats rarely work these days; perhaps I could threaten them with a painful death, which seems to do the trick). If readers would like to show their solidarity, please email your Mohammad masterpieces to me here: mmoynihan at reason.com. The best ones will be published on Hit & Run, which, along with the concomitant death threat, is reward enough.
Cue the predictable media squealing that “you’ll only antagonize them!” Antagonism, actually, is an idea straight out of the Hirsi Ali playbook: Her point to Anderson Cooper in the clip I posted earlier was that only by sharing the risk of retaliation for blasphemy can the public help protect her, Parker, Stone and other insolent infidels. If each threat produces more blasphemers than it silences, then threats suddenly become counterproductive. Or at least, they do to rational minds. (A flaw in the theory?)
While you mull your contribution, here’s an interview Ben Shapiro did with Comedy Central honcho Doug Herzog last year, in which Herzog seems to say that they probably shouldn’t have censored the depiction of Mohammed in “South Park” a few years ago. Funny how a few new threats can get people to reconsider.
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I believe in spanking, yes.
Connie on April 24, 2010 at 1:34 AM
Um, wow. Did you read that at all? Said nothing about spanking. DEATH.
“For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death . . . ”
Narutoboy on April 24, 2010 at 1:36 AM
الذهاب ضربة نفسك
macncheez on April 24, 2010 at 1:38 AM
Most assuredly I knew what I was saying. REFORM!
Connie on April 24, 2010 at 1:39 AM
It’s so irrational to scream at us that drawing Muhammed’s portrait is blasphemy. Is he a man or a god?
I’m going to participate on 5/20. I thought for a second that perhaps my rendition would portray him with his 6 yr old bride, but that would be too unsettling.
itsnotaboutme on April 24, 2010 at 1:40 AM
Do you believe that the Qur’an should be recited by American children?
Connie on April 24, 2010 at 1:41 AM
And, do you think Islam is compatible with the Bill of Rights and the Constitution?
Connie on April 24, 2010 at 1:43 AM
Why are you evading the quote?
“For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death . . . ”
That is from the Bible. Just a minute ago, you said that you’re not truly a Muslim if you don’t follow the teachings. So I guess you’re not truly a Christian if you don’t follow that teaching. And before you give the weasel answer of, “that doesn’t apply today,” think about what you would be saying: It doesn’t apply now, but it did then. So in that day it was OK to be put to death for cursing your parents. OK, gotcha.
Narutoboy on April 24, 2010 at 1:48 AM
Your best defense is to claim that it’s not supposed to be taken literally. Of course, that would be BS, but it’s better than just flat out ignoring it.
Narutoboy on April 24, 2010 at 1:50 AM
I didn’t evade the quote. You are misinterpreting it, which we are all used to. Do Christians put people to death because of that quote?
Connie on April 24, 2010 at 1:52 AM
I preempted your excuse.
“Your best defense is to claim that it’s not supposed to be taken literally. Of course, that would be BS, but it’s better than just flat out ignoring it.
Narutoboy on April 24, 2010 at 1:50 AM”
Narutoboy on April 24, 2010 at 1:53 AM
Answer me.
Connie on April 24, 2010 at 1:53 AM
But Connie, please tell me how you got “spanking” out of the word “death.” This should be good.
Narutoboy on April 24, 2010 at 1:54 AM
Then answer that.
Connie on April 24, 2010 at 1:54 AM
Islam is, in clear fact, antithetical to the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. It is incompatible with decency itself. It is a vile and open sore on the face of humanity.
Tav on April 24, 2010 at 1:56 AM
The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.
PC will kill us all.
Schadenfreude on April 24, 2010 at 1:57 AM
No, most Christians today do not follow the extreme parts of the Bible. But according to you, you’re not a true Muslim if you don’t follow what is taught in Koran. So shouldn’t that apply to Christians?
I don’t know why it’s so hard to admit that the Bible has SOME crazy, violent, extreme teachings. It does…No, that doesn’t mean Christians are following those particular one’s, but they’re still there.
Narutoboy on April 24, 2010 at 1:58 AM
First of all, yes, you are guessing and that’s about it.
Second, the quote you are referencing seems to be something of a broader Mosaic law (it’s not in the Ten Commandments). Christianity views Christ (and His love) as a completion of the Law… there’s nothing in Christianity that says that children must be killed for cursing their parents. Perhaps you want to take up your concerns with those practicing the law as Moses did…
MeatHeadinCA on April 24, 2010 at 1:59 AM
This Narutoboy is clearly more useless than a potted plant as at least a potted plant gives off oxygen.
KentAllard on April 24, 2010 at 1:59 AM
In Narutoboy’s case PC must stand for Perforated Cranium.
CrusaderRabbit on April 24, 2010 at 2:02 AM
Nice inclusion of irrelevant facts (“not in the ten commandments.”) Your point of mentioning that besides taking up space that you can’t fill with an argument? IT’S IN THE BIBLE! That’s the point. That is the book that Christians follow and live their life by. So, yes, it is in Christianity.
Narutoboy on April 24, 2010 at 2:02 AM
Narutoboy on April 24, 2010 at 1:58 AM
Christianity, in and of itself, is peaceful. Christ was peaceful. Muhammed was not.
Connie on April 24, 2010 at 2:03 AM
Is there anybody here that can debate the issue intelligently, or do we just have the bottom of the barrel tonight?
Most of the teachings on how to live are peaceful, yes. Not all though. But let’s not pretend that the Bible itself is a book of piece. It describes violence and brutality cover to cover.
Narutoboy on April 24, 2010 at 2:05 AM
Yes… Sodomy is also mentioned in the Bible. I believe incest as well… There are also some genealogies. There are a lot of things in the Bible and not all of them are commandments to Christians on how to live their lives.
MeatHeadinCA on April 24, 2010 at 2:06 AM
And this is debating the issue intelligently? Clearly not.
MeatHeadinCA on April 24, 2010 at 2:06 AM
Narutoboy is nothing but a clinging pest
Some say he’s really OBL’s goat just trying to do his best
It’s plain for all to see that he’s incoherent night and day
Same old silly stuff and nonsense he does so proudly display
Cheshire Cat on April 24, 2010 at 2:07 AM
I’m not just talking about what’s mentioned. You can’t tell the difference between something that’s mentioned and an instruction or description of what would/should take place if a child should do that?
Narutoboy on April 24, 2010 at 2:07 AM
Answer two questions.
Was Jesus Christ peaceful?
Was Muhammad a warlord?
Connie on April 24, 2010 at 2:08 AM
Sure there is a difference between mentioning sodomy and mentioning that children that cuss their parents out should be put to death; however, it is ignorant to assume or argue that all of the laws mentioned in the Bible apply to all Christians. I never made this claim… did anyone?
MeatHeadinCA on April 24, 2010 at 2:09 AM
It’s 2 a.m. where
Connie on April 24, 2010 at 2:09 AM
1. Not all the time.
2. If the book describes him as a warlord, then I guess so.
Narutoboy on April 24, 2010 at 2:11 AM
It’s 2 a.m. where I am. I’m out for the night (with my Toshiba laptop and its jumping cursor).
Connie on April 24, 2010 at 2:11 AM
If Narutoboy had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn’t. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn’t be. And what it wouldn’t be, it would. You see?
Cheshire Cat on April 24, 2010 at 2:11 AM
yeah
MeatHeadinCA on April 24, 2010 at 2:13 AM
Give it up Connie. You can’t cure stupid.
Murphy9 on April 24, 2010 at 2:13 AM
In other news… Polanski might be coming home soon! ;-)
MeatHeadinCA on April 24, 2010 at 2:15 AM
I wasn’t debating anybody there. I asked a question. The part you conveniently left out of your quote was the debate argument.
It’s ignorant to assume that you or anyone else has the ability to decide what does and doesn’t count in the Bible.
Narutoboy on April 24, 2010 at 2:16 AM
Stupid is reading a quote about death and then address it as if it was talking about spanking.
Narutoboy on April 24, 2010 at 2:17 AM
Several people have already spanked you tonight; how many more spankings do you want? Kinky! I wonder if Mohammad liked to be spanked?
HalJordan on April 24, 2010 at 2:20 AM
Well, at least you admit you weren’t debating anyone.
I would disagree.
1) Any person that uses the Bible as some sort of reference is going to have to decide what “counts.” Historically, it all counts. One then uses their core principles on what each thing counts for.
2) As I’m sure you are aware, there are people that spend their whole lives trying to determine what “counts” in the Bible. Pastors, Priests, Theologians, &c… Are they wrong for doing this?
MeatHeadinCA on April 24, 2010 at 2:21 AM
Wow, give me a break.
Ortzinator on April 24, 2010 at 2:21 AM
Are you sure you it’s not ignorant for you to decide what is and isn’t stupid?
MeatHeadinCA on April 24, 2010 at 2:22 AM
I think I know Narutoboy’s answer to this… but I might be surprised.
MeatHeadinCA on April 24, 2010 at 2:22 AM
I didn’t have to admit anything. It’s common sense that me asking the question whether or not anyone could intelligently debate the issue…wasn’t apart of my debate.
Ask Connie if they’re wrong. She just got finished saying that you’re not a true Muslim if you don’t believe what’s in the Koran. What I posted is in the Bible, and I’m sure she doesn’t believe that part.
Narutoboy on April 24, 2010 at 2:24 AM
I don’t know about my own ignorance… but I am getting tired.
MeatHeadinCA on April 24, 2010 at 2:24 AM
You’re either blind or just dumb. Seriously.
How about you explain it then. How do you get “spanking” from the word “death?” Go ahead.
Narutoboy on April 24, 2010 at 2:26 AM
You are becoming more and more unhinged. Seriously.
HalJordan on April 24, 2010 at 2:29 AM
Do you even know what the word means?
Narutoboy on April 24, 2010 at 2:30 AM
Yes, of course, because you weren’t debating … therefore you had no debate.
I can’t speak for Connie, but I personally believe that among ancient cultures, there were severe punishments for disrespecting parents. As far as whether or not it’s “Christian,” well, Christians have to believe that this is a historical fact, but since they are Christians, whether they believe this is how they should live their life or not may depend on how they view God’s love. The basics for Christian doctrine are pretty clearly laid out by Jesus himself. Now, if a Christian did not follow one of the commandments of Jesus, then clearly they aren’t being a very good Christian.
The question that Connie has not raised is, what’s the difference between Jesus and Mohamed? Once we have that answered, we can ask, is one a good follower of the Prophet Mohamed if they veer from his teachings?
I’ve already said that a Christian is clearly out of line if they veer from Jesus’s teachings… so what about a Muslim?
MeatHeadinCA on April 24, 2010 at 2:31 AM
I never claimed one got the word spanking from death.
MeatHeadinCA on April 24, 2010 at 2:31 AM
Christians are to live their lives based on the example that Christ set for them… Are Muslims to live their lives based on how Mohamed lived his life?
MeatHeadinCA on April 24, 2010 at 2:34 AM
unhinged
HalJordan on April 24, 2010 at 2:34 AM
And here I thought you were going to show us this.
MeatHeadinCA on April 24, 2010 at 2:36 AM
Quote please?
Connie on April 24, 2010 at 2:36 AM
You seem to have a very superficial grasp of Christianity.
To your knowledge, did Christianity begin in the Old Testament or the New Testament?
Do you understand the difference between Mosaic law and Christianity?
Do you understand that Christianity REPLACED Mosaic/Levitical law because Christ fulfilled the law by becoming the perfect sacrifice? There was no need to follow the OT rituals after the resurrection. How often do you find people (Christians) offering burnt sacrifices after Jesus death and resurrection? None. Just as you don’t find them adhering to the strict dietary regulations or any of the other laws found in the book of Leviticus regarding “cleanliness” or sores, leprosy, circumcision, etc.
And also, could you tell me where your quote comes from?
citrus on April 24, 2010 at 2:36 AM
Don’t know. Not a Muslim. And I have no interest in finding that out. I don’t care for either of the two books. They were both written by man and man alone. My point is that you can’t ignore the extreme parts of the Bible and just highlight what’s in the Koran.
Narutoboy on April 24, 2010 at 2:37 AM
Show me the exact passage in the Bible that instructs this.
What I know is that Christians follow the teachings of the Bible, and those don’t begin in the New Testament.
Narutoboy on April 24, 2010 at 2:40 AM
Please don’t misquote me.
Connie on April 24, 2010 at 2:41 AM
Of course we can’t turn a blind eye to either one. The question is, must these Biblical or Koranic phrases impact the walk of a good follower of each respective religion/faith? You say you don’t care, but we should care about such things. Certain ideologies are worse than others not simply because their ideological text contain distasteful ideas … but how these ideas apply to followers of said ideology.
MeatHeadinCA on April 24, 2010 at 2:41 AM
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
You are very mindbogglingly dense.
HalJordan on April 24, 2010 at 2:42 AM
It’s on the second page. You didn’t personally say it, but you agreed with it.
Narutoboy on April 24, 2010 at 2:42 AM
OK, guys… I’m out. Nighty night.
MeatHeadinCA on April 24, 2010 at 2:44 AM
And there lies your problem.
Connie on April 24, 2010 at 2:45 AM
You’ve already acknowledged that what’s in the Bible and what should “count” is based on somebody’s interpretation. That means any distasteful idea in the Bible (and there are plenty) can apply to someone if that particular reader feels it does.
Narutoboy on April 24, 2010 at 2:47 AM
Connie on April 24, 2010 at 2:47 AM
Knowing that has nothing to do with what this discussion has been about. And what are you talking about a misquote? You did in fact agree with exactly what I was saying you did.
And I’m still waiting for you or someone else to explain how you got “spanking” from the word “death.”
Narutoboy on April 24, 2010 at 2:50 AM
2Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Basil Fawlty on April 24, 2010 at 3:11 AM
Er … I may be poking my nose where it isn’t wanted, macncheez, but Aleph is a very smart fellow, and one of us. His sarc is very well done.
OldEnglish on April 24, 2010 at 4:27 AM
I know
I was waiting for Aleph
but no poem this time
*sigh*
macncheez on April 24, 2010 at 5:06 AM
I have waited for this. Oh yes I have, oh yes I have. Moreover I will draw my work of art in pig fat and then sweeten it with a few drops of rum.
Sherman1864 on April 24, 2010 at 5:23 AM
Narutoboy
You’re missing one very important point here. The Bible is a book written by men about God, which is why it’s open to interpretation (and then there’s the fact that the New Testament, the teachings of Jesus, were intended to supersede the Old). The Koran, on the other hand, is the specific word of their God according to Muslims. Hence, every single word and command in it is to be followed accordingly.
Jay Mac on April 24, 2010 at 6:13 AM
I’m all in……wonder what our Caliph will say if he hears about it.?
PappyD61 on April 24, 2010 at 6:56 AM
Looks like it will make some islamic heads explode..
the_nile on April 24, 2010 at 7:04 AM
The sad irony of your comment is that non-christians will be judged by the Old Testament laws.
Those that have responded by faith in the Good News of Jesus Christ have been judged already and have been found perfect in standing before God.
As to your rant about killing disobedient children–that law was never praticed. As for getting spanking from a death penalty–would you rather parents kill their children?
Oh, wait … Roe v. Wade.
davidk on April 24, 2010 at 7:08 AM
Admitted ignorance, with the goal of perpetual ignorance.
Oh goody, Narutoboy. Can you take up some more comment space with your ignorant ramblings?
Grace_is_sufficient on April 24, 2010 at 7:30 AM
Technically, Christians follow Christ, and Christ does not appear in the Old Testament. It is a reasonable assumption to say that the Old Testament is full of old rituals used by the Jews, as well as genealogies, historically accounts, etc, stuff that should not be taken out of its original historical context.
So, it is also somewhat reasonable (its late, and while I am Catholic I know I am kind of, well, over simplifying it) but Christians specifically follow the teachings of Christ. While this doesn’t mean we don’t include some of the OT (like the ten commandments), there tends to be, well, more of a focus on what He said (beatitudes, love thy neighbor, etc.)
Thats a really simplistic generalization, but naruto you seem to be way off in your assertions.
To give you an idea of the differences between Muslims and Christians, to harken back to my theology teacher at USD (Catholic School i briefly went to, the teacher was a Lutheran interestingly enough), and he said that Christians believe in the word of God (first and foremost). We hold God “accountable” by the the things that He has said to us.
Those that believe in Islam believe in the will of God, and they are called out to do the things God says. There is no arguing with God’s will, and no “accountability.”
I’m hoping I helped point out some of the differences you seem to be confusing.
Mind you, its freaking late, so if it doesnt make any sense, thats why!
Vortaine on April 24, 2010 at 7:33 AM
I’m perfectly willing to draw Mo. Should I also draw Larry and Curly?
jeanie on April 24, 2010 at 7:44 AM
Out of fear or retribution the government will give up every ones names.
tomas on April 24, 2010 at 8:09 AM
WAY ahead of you
http://www.youtube.com/user/frednoname1#p/u/0/mmJvACIdt4E
sonofdy on April 24, 2010 at 8:19 AM
Back in the late 90′s the media had no problem with dung on a painting of the virgin Mary. Free speech! I’m in.
faol on April 24, 2010 at 8:28 AM
Pork ‘em.
This is too good to pass up.
Cybergeezer on April 24, 2010 at 8:33 AM
Muck Fohammed!
5u93rm4n on April 24, 2010 at 8:38 AM
I don’t have the skills, but if someone is inspired, I’d portray Mohammed as the Satan from Dante’s Divine Comedy: Hell – bound in ice, chewing up the damned who come within his sphere – women, children, gays, and anyone else that offends his delicate sensibilities.
Mommynator on April 24, 2010 at 8:39 AM
They screwed that one up already; NEXT?
Cybergeezer on April 24, 2010 at 8:41 AM
I’ll try to do Obama as Moohammed.
Think that’ll piss off everybody?
In fact, every Democrat in Congress would make a nice image of Moohammed.
Yea, I know somebody will do Bush, but they’re F’d up anyway.
Cybergeezer on April 24, 2010 at 8:46 AM
Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary would make good images, since NOBODY knows what Mooohammed looks like anyway.
Cybergeezer on April 24, 2010 at 8:47 AM
I’m going one step further – I drawing AND having it put on a Tee shirt to wear that day!
AusTex girl on April 24, 2010 at 8:55 AM
It would seem you know nothing. I don’t know many people of any faith who profess to follow certain tenants as written in their holy book. We humans are not perfect either. The problem a lot of people have with Muslims is two-fold. 1 – It is ok to lie to an infidel, even under oath. 2 – The goal of bring forth the caliphate by either converting or killing all infidels.
You can quibble all you want about whether Christians do this or that, believe this or that, or not. I don’t care what you’re faith is or isn’t – but defending a Muslim for any reason is liberal insanity as you’ll be first on the list of those to be executed. OK, maybe second behind Trey and Matt.
jackal40 on April 24, 2010 at 9:03 AM
Love to help, but I can’t draw. :(
Can I write a saucy limerick instead?
AZCoyote on April 24, 2010 at 9:06 AM
the Bible gives historical context to a time and space in the ME. It contains plenty of violence, wars, demands, commands, etc; But, through the Enlightenment it has become less of a literal interpretation then a guide, particularly with the advent of the New Testament. Your attempt at a philosophical argument is silly. On the other hand, the Quran, which also follows Biblical themes, has become a code for living which must be followed or punishment surely follows, ie apostasy, blasphemy, and a myriad of other religious laws. There is a big difference between a literal interpretation of a Hadith which is prevalent in Islamic societies and a chapter or verse from the Bible which no longer is taken literally. That is the big difference between the Judaic religions and Islam.
elclynn on April 24, 2010 at 9:08 AM
I’m in. Nothing disrespectful, mind you. Maybe as a fish or something.
BrideOfRove on April 24, 2010 at 9:13 AM
Cartoon Day should be fun.
elclynn on April 24, 2010 at 9:18 AM
Naruto, I know it is easy to fall on the argument comparing the Bible to the Qur’an, but that is a flawed line of thinking.
Violence in the Bible is descriptive, that is, it tells a story, or relates a moral.
Violence in the Qur’an is prescriptive, that is, it is commanded.
Moreover, violence in the Qur’an is related to the Sira, that is, violent passages, known as surat (verses), and ayat (chapters), were related to him in Medina, after al-Hijrah, while non violent passages are mainly revealed to him in Mecca. In Mecca, Muhammad (Peanut Butter Be Upon Him) had very little influence and ability to rise to prominence. After al-Hijrah, Muhammad garnered power and influence in Medina, providing him with the opportunity to make war on those he saw as unacceptable, i.e. non-Muslims.
Another source of violent inspiration in Islam is the Ahadith (sayings of the Prophet). For example, in Sahih Bukhari, Book 25 (or it may be 85, I just woke up), Muhammad states plainly that whoever changes his religion must be killed. Plain and simple.
One needn’t look very far to find the scholastic support for these things. Islamic jurists over the centuries have concurred on the points I’ve just made. One need only look at things such as the Tafsir al-Jalalayn, and a handful of other sources to see that prescriptive violence is a noticeable and influential part of Islamic jurisprudence.
blatantblue on April 24, 2010 at 9:19 AM
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