Add another exposed doomsday mistake to IPCC’s failures

posted at 2:20 pm on April 22, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

It’s hard to believe that it’s been more than a month since the latest example of intellectual collapse at the IPCC.  Now added to the fraudulent claims about Amazon rain forests, African crop harvests, and Himalayan glaciers comes the exposure of a very large error in the UN body’s warnings about flooding in Bangladesh.  Turns out that the scientists screeching about the cataclysmic effects of sea-level rises forgot to consider sedimentary deposits (via Yid with Lid):

Scientists in Bangladesh posed a fresh challenge to the UN’s top climate change panel Thursday, saying its doomsday forecasts for the country in the body’s landmark 2007 report were overblown.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), already under fire for errors in the 2007 report, had said a one-metre (three-foot) rise in sea levels would flood 17 percent of Bangladesh and create 20 million refugees by 2050.

The claim helped create a widespread consensus that the low-lying country was on the “front line” of climate change, but a new study argues the IPCC ignored the role sediment plays in countering sea level rises. …

But IPCC’s prediction did not take into account the one billion tonnes of sediment carried by Himalayan rivers into Bangladesh every year, which are crucial in countering rises in sea levels, the study funded by the Asian Development Bank said.

“Sediments have been shaping Bangladesh’s coast for thousands of years,” said Maminul Haque Sarker, director of the Dhaka-based Center for Environment and Geographic Information Services (CEGIS), who led research for the study.

Even if the sea level rises that far — a claim which is itself greeted with increasing skepticism — most of the coastline for Bangladesh won’t be affected.  The study concludes that sedimentary deposits would rise in the same proportion as sea levels, providing protection for almost all of the coastline.

The IPCC’s response?  Chair Rajendra Pachauri claims that one mistake shouldn’t shake anyone’s confidence in the theory of anthropogenic global warming. Unfortunately, he’s not referring to this error, but one exposed previously:

According to Pachauri, the glacier mistakes should not be allowed to detract from the fact that the IPCC’s conclusions overall are “robust and they are reliable”.

“One single error doesn’t take anything away from the major findings of the report. The fact is that the glaciers are melting,” he said.

The glacier claim wasn’t an “error”; it was a claim based on nothing at all other than speculation in an interview, and it was even misquoted. That’s hardly the only error discovered in the IPCC’s claims and in the AGW industry over the last few months, either:

Pachauri continues to insist that the emperor wears clothes at the IPCC, when he’s been naked for months.

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Pachauri continues to insist that the emperor wears clothes at the IPCC, when he’s been naked for months.

Global warming should have given him a tan at least. Start white is soooooo out of fashion!

upinak on April 22, 2010 at 2:22 PM

Move along. Nothing to see here. The science is settled.

mwdiver on April 22, 2010 at 2:27 PM

I can’t believe how incompetent the climate changers are. This makes the whole science field look bad across the board. If this is the rate of failure to be expected from “experts” in the science community, I would sure hate to see what a mediocre scientist would look like.

portlandon on April 22, 2010 at 2:30 PM

That dude seriously needs to get a haircut. He looks like a street bum with a clean suit on.

Johnnyreb on April 22, 2010 at 2:31 PM

The Silver Lining of the Health Care Cloud Over Mitt Romney

dnlchisholm on April 22, 2010 at 2:24 PM

Mitt Romney’s Presidential hopes will be completely under water by 2012!!! (atleast it was climate related).

portlandon on April 22, 2010 at 2:31 PM

Maybe the IPCC would like to tell us what they think is true, it would save a lot of time.

tarpon on April 22, 2010 at 2:35 PM

Why let the facts get in the way of our pre-determined scientific conclusions…

PatriotRider on April 22, 2010 at 2:36 PM

They are teh smartest people in teh universes!

John the Libertarian on April 22, 2010 at 2:38 PM

These aren’t mistakes… they’re too numerous. These activists simply do not care what the science says, they are simply in search of narrative that can sell their agenda. Rest assured, whatever paper global warming alarmists publish tomorrow will have the same level of quality, attention to detail, and cautious predictions as IPCC AR4 (2007).

theCork on April 22, 2010 at 2:38 PM

You folks shouldn’t criticize the IPCC. This science has benn voted on, therefore it is official. No fair testing hypotheses, reviewing fraudulent data and such…..

Vashta.Nerada on April 22, 2010 at 2:38 PM

“There are some who say that the Global Warming Theory is absolutely perfect, but should be completely disregarded because of one tiny error.”

In the first place: No. Of course there isn’t anyone who says that.

And in the second place: Wait. Why the Hell are we even listening to these jackasses AT ALL?

logis on April 22, 2010 at 2:39 PM

But IPCC’s prediction did not take into account the one billion tonnes of sediment carried by Himalayan rivers into Bangladesh every year

Almost equivalent to the amount of excrement that algore excretes whenever he opens his mouth.

VibrioCocci on April 22, 2010 at 2:39 PM

Hey ya’ll….HAPPY EARTH DAY! I’m fixin to go outside, put on my fig leaves, drink some wine and dance around praising mother gaia! Tonight we’re going to sit by the fire, leaving all of our lights off of course and sing a rousing chorus of Kumbaya! Have a great earth day! Gaia be praised!/sarc from he!!!

sicoit on April 22, 2010 at 2:39 PM

This comes on the heels of the Secretary of State’s office declaring that global warming caused by man is irrefutable and there is no factual information to suggest otherwise. Of course, Secretary Clinton’s history of unable to ever tell the truth rivals Obama’s in their total misconception of reality.

volsense on April 22, 2010 at 2:44 PM

HAPPY EARTH DAY!
sicoit on April 22, 2010 at 2:39 PM

Happy Lenin’s birthday!

theCork on April 22, 2010 at 2:44 PM

Happy Lenin’s birthday!

theCork on April 22, 2010 at 2:44 PM

Oh goody! More wine….more wine….the party is just gettin started! wOOt!

sicoit on April 22, 2010 at 2:47 PM

Bat Boy Is Source of U.N. Panel’s Report on Climate Change: http://optoons.blogspot.com/2010/01/bat-boy-is-source-of-un-panels-report.html

Mervis Winter on April 22, 2010 at 2:50 PM

A group of volunteers has been reviewing every reference citation in IPCC 4. Of around 20,000 references, over 5,000 were not peer reviewed to IPCC standards. Of the rest of the references, many were peer reviewed by ‘the circle jerk method’ of the same group reviewing each others papers.

I’m sure glad the science is settled.

GnuBreed on April 22, 2010 at 2:52 PM

Patrick J. Michaels:

Then, as the IPCC’s high-powered spin engine unspooled, it became clear that the entire 2007 report the EPA indirectly relied upon was a mess. Its absurd claim that the Himalayan glaciers could disappear in 25 years (they are hundreds of feet thick, and melting would take hundreds of years), it admitted, was in error. The author responsible for the chapter on Asian climate, Murari Lal, finally ’fessed up that it was there to goad India, which derives water from these ice fields, into agreeing to emissions reductions.

They started at the political result they wanted and fabricated backward ’til they got the “science”.

If you can’t tell science from politics, or politics from science, you shouldn’t be doing either.

Fortunately, this kind of fraud looks like it derail the Warming Tax. Maybe that’s why all the VAT-talk.

Noel on April 22, 2010 at 2:53 PM

Why is the left so anti-science?

patriette on April 22, 2010 at 2:53 PM

The Silver Lining of the Health Care Cloud Over Mitt Romney

dnlchisholm on April 22, 2010 at 2:24 PM

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the_nile on April 22, 2010 at 2:53 PM

The IPCC is just another vehicle for the UN cash cow that intends to bleed robust economies in the name of international concern.

Note how much money for UN Haiti relief went to UN overhead and how little actually went to Haiti’s relief.

onlineanalyst on April 22, 2010 at 2:58 PM

I never realized the Geico caveman was so into climate change…

D2Boston on April 22, 2010 at 2:58 PM

…many were peer reviewed by ‘the circle jerk method’ of the same group reviewing each others papers.
GnuBreed on April 22, 2010 at 2:52 PM

On second thought, maybe we should be glad they refuse to let anyone see their “data.”

logis on April 22, 2010 at 2:59 PM

I’m fixin to go outside, put on my fig leaves, drink some wine and dance around praising mother gaia!

sicoit on April 22, 2010 at 2:39 PM

Take pictures after you start drinking.

VibrioCocci on April 22, 2010 at 2:59 PM

Is there a collective term for a large number of errors?

Perhaps an “arrogance” of errors?
a “hauteur” of errors?

tomg51 on April 22, 2010 at 3:01 PM

Good thing that only the climate change skeptics are the ones stoking fears.

jukin on April 22, 2010 at 3:04 PM

They started at the political result they wanted and fabricated backward ’til they got the “science”.

Noel on April 22, 2010 at 2:53 PM

Just so. Apologists continue to claim these are minor errors. Yet each error favors the global warming narrative.

It’s like catching an embezzling bookkeeper who claims that each irregularity is a simple mistake. Yet each mistake involves your money being transferred to his bank account.

theCork on April 22, 2010 at 3:05 PM

In other news: The EPA continues their “save mother earth” quest from the ungrateful deniers.

meMC on April 22, 2010 at 3:06 PM

And for your HAPPY EARTH DAY enjoyment, my gift to ya’ll
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George Carlin (RIP) on Saving The Planet! wOOt!

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sicoit on April 22, 2010 at 3:08 PM

Maybe the IPCC would like to tell us what they think is true, it would save a lot of time.

tarpon on April 22, 2010 at 2:35 PM

Only by accident is any of the IPCC work true. When you shape the evidence to fit the conclusion you’ve already drawn, you aren’t interested in the truth.

docdave on April 22, 2010 at 3:09 PM

Is there a collective term for a large number of errors?

Lies?

meMC on April 22, 2010 at 3:09 PM

Is there a collective term for a large number of errors?

Perhaps an “arrogance” of errors?
a “hauteur” of errors?

tomg51 on April 22, 2010 at 3:01 PM

A pretense of errors.

theCork on April 22, 2010 at 3:10 PM

These are not errors. These are lies and fabrications. When do these guys face a fraud inquiry? Surely they have gained from screaming the “sky is falling” by winning jobs, status, and cash for more lies studies.

doufree on April 22, 2010 at 3:11 PM

That dude seriously needs to get a haircut. He looks like a street bum with a clean suit on.

Johnnyreb on April 22, 2010 at 2:31 PM

I think he’s the old cliche of the scraggly bum carrying the “end is near” sandwich board. He got promoted.

Buddahpundit on April 22, 2010 at 3:14 PM

UN IPCC Chief: We just make crap up but don’t let that dissuade you from believing us.

darwin on April 22, 2010 at 3:17 PM

Here in the Midwest we call climate change Spring, Summer, Fall and Winter. The railroad engineer is a total asshat!!

elclynn on April 22, 2010 at 3:17 PM

Here in the Midwest we call climate change Spring, Summer, Fall and Winter. The UN railroad engineer heading the IPCC and the settled science is more concerned by overly long growing seasons then anything else. UN scientists have caused the deaths of millions of African babies under the age of five.

elclynn on April 22, 2010 at 3:21 PM

I feel pretty
Oh so pretty
I feel pretty, and witty, and briiiight…

–Rajendra Pachauri

Bat Chain Puller on April 22, 2010 at 3:24 PM

The final review panels (politicians)just wrote what they wanted regardless of the “science” that had been presented.

tim c on April 22, 2010 at 3:35 PM

sicoit on April 22, 2010 at 2:39 PM

LOL. I’m going to fire up by 90,000BTU gas grill, slap a big piece of beef on that sucker till it gets good and smokey, fire up the oven to fix some salty fries, and then take a ride out in the country in my V8 SUV.

Oh, and a cigar will be nice too.

BacaDog on April 22, 2010 at 3:37 PM

This is one of the best examples of how they get things wrong. They ignore factors that could have significant effects, even when those factors are shown to happen by their own models.

exception on April 22, 2010 at 3:37 PM

Happy Earth Day!!

vcferlita on April 22, 2010 at 3:37 PM

As one of the bloggers on MM’s site said “My husband calls earth day FREE FART DAY”! H/T Rightwingmom heh.heh

sicoit on April 22, 2010 at 3:44 PM

To celebrate Earth Day, the Media Research Center (MRC) has compiled a collection of twenty years of advocacy, not journalism, on global warming.

MRC twenty years of advocacy, not journalism, on global warming

VibrioCocci on April 22, 2010 at 3:48 PM

Denial is a river in…Bangladesh.

When people claim that a 1-meter rise in sea level would flood out 17% of Bangladesh, have they ever considered what happens between high and low tide? Is 17% of that country really in an intertidal zone, or salt marshes? Isn’t that country frequently hit by tropical cyclones, and people tend not to live in storm-surge areas?

Oh, by the way, if sea levels are rising by (maybe) 2 millimeters per year, a 1-meter rise in sea level would take 500 years!

The Bangladeshis are probably more worried about the next high tide 6 hours from now…

Steve Z on April 22, 2010 at 3:48 PM

Truth has always been a roadblock when there’s money to be made and power to be transferred to the state. Better to ignore the truth, and when that stops working, claim it changes nothing.

SKYFOX on April 22, 2010 at 3:49 PM

people tend not to live in storm-surge areas?

Unfortunately, I hear they live anywhere, and others will move in after river island inhabitants are washed away.

tomg51 on April 22, 2010 at 3:57 PM

Ed,

There is another “doomsday mistake” to add to your list. See wattsupwiththat.com for the latest on the Irish Oak Trees used by Michael Mann to try and recreate what failed and was exposed in the original MBH98 Hockey Stick paper.

Turns out, the Oaks were dying from Sudden Oak Death and not from climate change. Thankfully, Doug Keenan won his FOI request, and now this data has been exposed as Yet Another Climate Change scam.

Nothing stands up to reality with these folks. They are just scammers working backwards to create “science.”

JeffB. on April 22, 2010 at 3:57 PM

But, but, but………………….Global Warming made that volcano in Iceland erupt!!

iurockhead on April 22, 2010 at 4:12 PM

JeffB. on April 22, 2010 at 3:57 PM

Thanx for this linky
It makes a tragic read , with such rot at the core .
And NO one is even apologizing for the scam.
Maybe oakland can help us …..
oaaaaakkkkkllllaaaannndddd….where art thou
;-)

macncheez on April 22, 2010 at 4:12 PM

This comes on the heels of the Secretary of State’s office declaring that global warming caused by man is irrefutable and there is no factual information to suggest otherwise. Of course, Secretary Clinton’s history of unable to ever tell the truth rivals Obama’s in their total misconception of reality.

volsense on April 22, 2010 at 2:44 PM

AGW has gone well beyond science or fact and into religious territory. AWG is now a political and secular religious fact and no amount of truth will change that.
The frosting on the cake was the britts finding CRU pure as the driven snow making this:

# University of East Anglia e-mails that exposed data destruction, attempts to hide contradictory data, and conspiracies to sabotage the work of skeptical scientists
# The East Anglia CRU threw out their raw data, undermining any effort to check their work
# NOAA/GHCN “homogenization” falsified climate declines into increases
# East Anglia CRU’s below-standard computer modeling

irrelevant.

Ragamuffin on April 22, 2010 at 4:14 PM

Ed,

This is a great collection and summarization of all of the issues. You may want to create an extended article that you update with new information that can be used as a reference for people. It should have links to the original sources (which the HA articles you link to above provide) with summaries of the issues and the orthodoxies they challenge.

And don’t be afraid of linking to arguments from different perspectives. They sometimes make for good science reading. More often than not, they provide a window into true moonbattery as they wrap themselves around the axle trying to justify bad science.

Good work. Thanks for staying on top of this.

nukemhill on April 22, 2010 at 4:24 PM

New test standard: If IPCC says it, there’s a 97% chance the opposite is true.

BTW, there’s no such thing as sea level. The actual level of the ocean, measured from the center of the earth, varies by as much as 100 feet depending where the measurement is taken. Sea level, as a item, is more a reference to the mean level if all activity would stop long enough to take the measurement.

In short – sea level is an artificial construct.

platypus on April 22, 2010 at 4:25 PM

According to Pachauri, the glacier mistakes should not be allowed to detract from the fact that the IPCC’s conclusions overall are “robust and they are reliable”.

Is that chicken still alive? I figured it should be just about dead by now.

UltimateBob on April 22, 2010 at 4:36 PM

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Introducing The Daily Caller’s Offset-Offset Program

Each time your neighbor buys a carbon offset, you offset it.

the_nile on April 22, 2010 at 5:07 PM

In the end, they will simply deem AGW to be true.

BobMbx on April 22, 2010 at 5:09 PM

The silence continues to be deafening in response to the actual science that says the volume of ice has been increasing at the poles.

slug on April 22, 2010 at 5:16 PM

The more they try to defend it,
the bigger idiots they look like:

.

“Tom Smitheringale became the 4th junk scientist in 4 years who had to be rescued at the North Pole before freezing to death.”
“Smitheringale wanted to prove the world was warming. Now he’s another alarmist with frostbite.”

ANOTHER Frost-Bitten Junk Scientist Rescued Before Freezing to Death

mrt721 on April 22, 2010 at 5:38 PM

Has there ever been a sadder Erf Day? (sniff!)

ya2daup on April 22, 2010 at 5:38 PM

I never realized the Geico caveman was so into climate change…

D2Boston on April 22, 2010 at 2:58 PM

Climate science: it’s so easy this caveman can screw it up.

ya2daup on April 22, 2010 at 5:41 PM

Ed,

While your list of exaggerations, irrelevancies, and non-issues grows, the scientific evidence continues to mount.

oakland on April 22, 2010 at 5:42 PM

the volume of ice has been increasing at the poles

Reference, please.

oakland on April 22, 2010 at 5:43 PM

You folks shouldn’t criticize the IPCC. This science has benn voted on, therefore it is official. No fair testing hypotheses, reviewing fraudulent data and such…..

Vashta.Nerada on April 22, 2010 at 2:38 PM

Unfortunately, Truth is singularly autocratic and immune to public opinion. It persists even when the vote is 100% against it!

(PS – Yes, I know you were being sarcastic…)

landlines on April 22, 2010 at 5:52 PM

Ed,

While your list of exaggerations, irrelevancies, and non-issues grows, the scientific evidence continues to mount.

oakland on April 22, 2010 at 5:42 PM

Apparently Troll Oakland didn’t notice that the article he linked actually debunks his pet theory religious belief.

landlines on April 22, 2010 at 5:57 PM

Ed,

While your list of exaggerations, irrelevancies, and non-issues grows, the scientific evidence continues to mount.

oakland on April 22, 2010 at 5:42 PM

Yeah, its hard to believe that anything but man could have an effect on the chemistry of the earth. /s

brtex on April 22, 2010 at 5:59 PM

Reference, please.

oakland on April 22, 2010 at 5:43 PM

Here

darwin on April 22, 2010 at 6:00 PM

oakland … environmental communist.

darwin on April 22, 2010 at 6:04 PM

Maybe oakland can help us …..
oaaaaakkkkkllllaaaannndddd….where art thou
;-)

macncheez on April 22, 2010 at 4:12 PM

I knew it

oakland on April 22, 2010 at 5:42 PM

macncheez on April 22, 2010 at 6:15 PM

the volume of ice has been increasing at the poles

Reference, please.

oakland on April 22, 2010 at 5:43 PM

How timely:

Earth gives us an Earth Day present: Arctic sea ice is highest for this date in 8 years

theCork on April 22, 2010 at 6:24 PM

The arctic is SAVED, Oakland! What an Earth Day gift! Aren’t you happy?

theCork on April 22, 2010 at 6:29 PM

Ed,

While your list of exaggerations, irrelevancies, and non-issues grows, the scientific evidence continues to mount.

oakland on April 22, 2010 at 5:42 PM

I would be interested in knowing where you think all those oceanic-derived carbonate sediments, that are spread all over the globe, were derived from over the last 2.5 billion years.

Then please address the problem those same sediments might be causing as they weather, in the mountainous uplifts, and deliver carbonate radicals back into the seas. How would you suggest that cycle be stopped?

After you address those two issues we can get into the natural carbonate cycle in earth history.

Yoop on April 22, 2010 at 6:37 PM

“The science is settled,” -average leftist moron.

Akzed on April 22, 2010 at 6:39 PM

While your list of exaggerations, irrelevancies, and non-issues grows, the scientific evidence continues to mount. oakland on April 22, 2010 at 5:42 PM

It sure does!!!

Akzed on April 22, 2010 at 6:41 PM

Darwin and Cork,

If you are interested in the long term trend, look here.

oakland on April 22, 2010 at 7:05 PM

After you address those two issues we can get into the natural carbonate cycle in earth history.

I’m talking about the present trends, Yoop. Did you read the article I referenced?

oakland on April 22, 2010 at 7:07 PM

Akzed,
Nothing wrong with skeptics and skepticism…is there? Which of those 700 articles impressed you the most?

oakland on April 22, 2010 at 7:13 PM

Oakland: Actually the long term volume of ice at the poles, which is what you challenged is here:
Global Sea Ice Extent from 1979

Notice it’s up to average (zero). What are we supposed to be panicking about again? Are we supposed to scream while we’re panicking?

theCork on April 22, 2010 at 7:16 PM

Oakland: Actually the long term volume of ice at the poles, which is what you challenged is here:
Global Sea Ice Extent from 1979

I haven’t challenged anything. Just look at the science. The graph you cite seems to support the article I referenced quite closely. Look at the anomalies on the graph of yours.

oakland on April 22, 2010 at 7:21 PM

I’m talking about the present trends, Yoop. Did you read the article I referenced?

oakland on April 22, 2010 at 7:07 PM

I did , and I doubt the veracity of any such report that involves serious geochemical studies by EPA geochemists. My guess is the scientists that produced those findings are not well based in geochemistry of ocean systems at all. That belief is based on a long history of dealing with their output.

Also, the article is only dealing with less than 0.032% of the total history of carbonate sedimentation and carbon dioxide levels in the planets present and past oceans.

Yoop on April 22, 2010 at 7:22 PM

I did , and I doubt the veracity of any such report that involves serious geochemical studies by EPA geochemists.

So, you basically don’t trust the scientists who performed the study. Do you have any references that would contradict this study, and from scientists that you do trust?

oakland on April 22, 2010 at 7:25 PM

Look at the anomalies on the graph of yours.

I have. We are darn near average right now. The Antarctic increased while the Arctic decreased, and the Arctic has recovered quickly since 2007.

Should we also be wee-weeing our pants while we’re panicking about this lack of significant change over 30+ years?

theCork on April 22, 2010 at 7:29 PM

I have. We are darn near average right now. The Antarctic increased while the Arctic decreased, and the Arctic has recovered quickly since 2007

Not if you look carefully at your graph. Again, note the anomalies. They are in red, at the bottom of the graph. While you do, note the 20-year trend in the anomalies.

oakland on April 22, 2010 at 7:33 PM

Not if you look carefully at your graph. Again, note the anomalies. They are in red, at the bottom of the graph. While you do, note the 20-year trend in the anomalies.

oakland on April 22, 2010 at 7:33 PM

I’ve been looking at the anomalies all along. Why would I look at a 20 year trend? Why not 3? Or 11? Or 30? I’ll just use average, thanks.

theCork on April 22, 2010 at 7:46 PM

Darwin and Cork,

If you are interested in the long term trend, look here.

oakland on April 22, 2010 at 7:05 PM

What long term trend? Data is only 30 years old. You can’t establish a long term trend from that. Secondly, measurement of Arctic ice began at the end of a three decade cooling period … so the intial baseline is skewed towards abnormally thick ice. Get it?

You ignore the fact that ice isn’t going away … it’s actually coming back. You grasp at straws with wild rationalizations as to why we shouldn’t believe what our own eyes are telling us.

The reality is there is no man made climate change, you’re a cultist and very close to becoming a climate communist.

darwin on April 22, 2010 at 7:59 PM

…you’re a cultist and very close to becoming a climate communist.

darwin on April 22, 2010 at 7:59 PM

He is actually a mission-poster who only shows up in threads that involve GW and plays the same game every time.

He ask for references and links from others while avoiding addressing questions directed to him by other posters. (Note his avoidance of my questions at 6:37PM.)

His game is to not answer questions while redirecting the effort to attempt to force others to do work addressing his issues.

He is not willing to be educated, not willing to accept actual facts. It’s all a game, and he is worth no further effort except to belittle his child-like approach to real discourse. His redirects are tedious.

He really, also, should learn what the term anomaly implies, in a scientific sense. It’s interesting that he refers to his issues as anomalous.

We are not dealing with the sharpest mission poster, just one of the more dedicated.

Yoop on April 22, 2010 at 8:28 PM

He is not willing to be educated, not willing to accept actual facts. It’s all a game, and he is worth no further effort except to belittle his child-like approach to real discourse. His redirects are tedious.

He really, also, should learn what the term anomaly implies, in a scientific sense. It’s interesting that he refers to his issues as anomalous.

You still haven’t answered my question, Yoop.

Also, if you want to know what I meant by anomalous, look at the graph to which I was referring when I used that term. What is your definition of the term, in reference to its use on the graph?

oakland on April 22, 2010 at 8:45 PM

What long term trend? Data is only 30 years old. You can’t establish a long term trend from that. Secondly, measurement of Arctic ice began at the end of a three decade cooling period … so the intial baseline is skewed towards abnormally thick ice. Get it?

If you have data from further back(i.e., from when the ice was less thick), throw it out here. I would be interested in seeing it.

Long term would mean, in my thinking, more than the last several years. Since the graph is only for a couple of decades, one must consider the entire length of time represented by such, rather than just the last several years. Maybe you could look at the graph and give me your take on it; what do you think the long term trend is?

oakland on April 22, 2010 at 8:49 PM

One mistake? A NASA contractor made one mistake and a Mars lander hit the atmosphere and was destroyed. Damn metric units.

Pelayo on April 22, 2010 at 8:56 PM

You still haven’t answered my question, Yoop.

oakland on April 22, 2010 at 8:45 PM

You make that statement while still ignoring the questions I ask you to address prior to that, even after being reminded that you haven’t addressed them.

You just proved my point about your intentions.

Yoop on April 22, 2010 at 9:00 PM

You make that statement while still ignoring the questions I ask you to address prior to that, even after being reminded that you haven’t addressed them.

You just proved my point about your intentions.

I responded to your questions. Maybe you can explain the relevance of your questions to the present-day concerns regarding the drop on the pH of the oceans, making them less basic than they have been for the last 800,000 years. If you would like to relate this to the carbon cycle and carbonate sedimentation, I am all ears. You hint that you are schooled in the matter, and I would like to know the relevance to the issue I cited.

Again, I would like you to answer my question that I posed regarding your skepticism of the work of the scientists who did the study.

oakland on April 22, 2010 at 9:07 PM

Here’s another reminder, oakland:

I would be interested in knowing where you think all those oceanic-derived carbonate sediments, that are spread all over the globe, were derived from over the last 2.5 billion years.

Then please address the problem those same sediments might be causing as they weather, in the mountainous uplifts, and deliver carbonate radicals back into the seas. How would you suggest that cycle be stopped?

After you address those two issues we can get into the natural carbonate cycle in earth history.

Yoop on April 22, 2010 at 6:37 PM

I’ll just keep reminding you, until you address the very real impact these processes represent.

Go ahead, game it again.

Yoop on April 22, 2010 at 9:08 PM

I responded to your questions.

oakland on April 22, 2010 at 9:07 PM

Your response was one of your typical non-responses, and was a redirect.

Prove the past history has no implications for the present claims. Go ahead, prove it.

I rarely sink to personal descriptive terms, but you, sir, are an a$$, and just playing games.

Yoop on April 22, 2010 at 9:14 PM

I’ll just keep reminding you, until you address the very real impact these processes represent.

Go ahead, game it again.

I guess you aren’t going to show the relevance of your questions to the issue raised by the article, nor are you going to school me in the carbon sedimentation process as I requested.

Nothing further to discuss. G’nite.

oakland on April 22, 2010 at 9:19 PM

In the end, they will simply deem AGW to be true.

BobMbx on April 22, 2010 at 5:09 PM

That’s pretty much what they already have done!

Sharr on April 22, 2010 at 11:17 PM

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