What closing of the conservative mind?
posted at 11:27 am on April 21, 2010 by Karl
Libertarian-ish blogger Julian Sanchez recently wrote a post about the supposed closing of the conservative mind that got a lot of blog buzz. The ensuing back-and-forth discussed the conservative base, conservative policy wonks, and conservative political leaders. However, the most quoted part of Sanchez’s piece was holistic:
One of the more striking features of the contemporary conservative movement is the extent to which it has been moving toward epistemic closure. Reality is defined by a multimedia array of interconnected and cross promoting conservative blogs, radio programs, magazines, and of course, Fox News. Whatever conflicts with that reality can be dismissed out of hand because it comes from the liberal media, and is therefore ipso facto not to be trusted. (How do you know they’re liberal? Well, they disagree with the conservative media!) This epistemic closure can be a source of solidarity and energy, but it also renders the conservative media ecosystem fragile.
As Power Line’s Scott Johnson notes, in this discussion, the claim is assumed and the focus is on explaining it. But what evidence is there to support it?
Republicans tend to be more informed about the news than Democrats, even after adjusting for demographics. The regular audience of Fox News is about as informed as the the regular audience of CNN or network news generally. The regular audience of Rush Limbaugh is more informed than all of the above, as well as the audiences of cable news, online news, news magazines, C-SPAN and the PBS NewsHour.
The reason why Limbaugh listeners rank that high can be demonstrated by looking at his broadcast from Monday (the day I started writing this). Limbaugh did commentary on fmr. Pres. Clinton’s exploitation of the anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing to paint Tea Partiers and other Obama critics as a potentially violent fringe that endangers the country. His sources included: an Associated Press story on Clinton’s comments; an ABC News story reporting Clinton’s reply to Limbaugh’s earlier response; an Associated Press story on a Pew poll showing 80% of Americans lack trust in the federal government; and a WSJ op-ed by Debra Burlingame.
Limbaugh also did commentary on the claims made by TIME Magazine columnist Joe Klein and New York Magazine columnist John Heilemann, that Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and Limbaugh were “rub[bing] right up close to being seditious.” Limbaugh aired: audio of their accusations; audio of Hillary Clinton defending the right to dissent (when practiced by the Left); and a piece by Byron York documenting that while Heilemann claimed that referring to the Obama “regime” has connotations of tyranny, Heilemann had himself used the term on various occasions, as had Chris Matthews (the host of the show on which Heilemann was appearing).
Limbaugh also did a piece on the Obama administration’s coincidentally-timed suit against Goldman Sachs, based on articles from the Los Angeles Times and the New York Post, along with a blog post from Sweetness & Light, which in turn was based on a Bloomberg report and a Washington Examiner column. Limbaugh’s “stack of stuff” for the day included: a Rasmussen poll; two stories from the Los Angeles Times; one from the New York Times; one from the Associated Press; and two pieces from the UK’s unabashedly left-leaning Guardian. If Limbaugh is trying to keep his listeners from being exposed to a diversity of reporting and opinion, he is failing miserably.
With the exception of Fox News (a big fish in the small pond of cable news viewership), the same general pattern can be found across right-leaning media, which lack the resources and institutions to produce original reporting. The notion that conservative outlets and audiences dismiss the left-leaning establishment media is absurd. To the contrary, conservatives arguably are too focused on dissecting establishment journalism, at the expense of developing their own resources, institutions and stories.
Of course, right-leaning media break some stories, like the outrageous behavior of Pres. Obama’s allies at ACORN, or that Pres. Obama’s “green jobs” czar was a 9/11 Truther. When they do, the reaction of outlets like the New York Times is so pathetic that ombudsman Clark Hoyt warned the paper risked looking “clueless or, worse, partisan itself.” (Too late, Clark.) Relatedly, the NYT has become interested in reporting on the likely pitfalls of ObamaCare — heavily covered by right-leaning media — only after it was signed into law. Some might call these disconnects evidence of epistemic closure on the Left — suppressing stories until they either cannot be ignored or cannot harm the political agenda of the NYT’s editorial board. But do not look for those spilling crocodile tears over the closed-mindedness of the Right to notice it.
Indeed, Sanchez, Jonathan Chait and others addressing this topic apparently operate from the assumption that (with the possible exception of parts of the MSNBC schedule) that the establishment media does not lean Left. There is a wealth of data, from sources spanning the ideological spectrum, showing that the national press corps overwhelmingly favors Democrats and that the public views the national press corps as favoring Democrats. Public opinion is not always correct, even on questions like media bias, which are to some degree in the eye of the beholder. However, the fact that people like Chait do not seriously consider the point says as much about epistemic closure on the Left as such people have to say about the phenomenon on the Right.
Megan McArdle, even while arguing that epistemic closure is more of a problem on the Right, suggests that the marginalization of conservatives by the cultural elite fuels it:
The point is that when one group has privilege, and the other doesn’t, the response isn’t symmetrical, a fact that the dominant group tends to spend a lot of time remarking upon. The out-group is angrier and prizes its group identity–”conservative”–over weaker affiliations like “journalist” or “sociologist.” The angrier the out-group gets, the more uncomfortable and hostile the dominant group gets … which, of course, makes the out-group even angrier.
The dominant majority further reinforces the effect because membership of “journalist” or “sociologist” comes to be defined by “not having a strong allegiance to groups such as ‘conservative.’” Which further weakens conservative ties to those professional identities.
That’s why you have black newspapers, and Jewish magazines, and Irish arts centers, but no “Bland: The Magazine of the American White Middle Class.” The dominant group doesn’t enforce its group identity the way the out-group does. It doesn’t have to. It gets to decide what constitute the acceptable modes of behavior, sources of authority, and ways of knowing. The privileged group doesn’t need its own institution specifically devoted to advancing its interests. All it needs is a sigh, and a sneer.
It will come as no surprise that the response to McArdle from people like Andrew Sullivan and Jonathan Bernstein was, in essence, a sigh and a sneer — making no attempt to engage the sociological point McArdle argues. Conor Friedersdorf was more polite, though by restricting himself to opinion journalism, he fails to address the structural problems with the core, news-gathering side of journalism.
To put this all in context, consider some recent history. In 2004, the New York Times assigned a reporter to cover “conservative forces in religion, politics, law, business and the media.” This year, the Washington Post hired Dave Weigel to do the same. By their own actions, the nation’s two most-influential newspapers tacitly admit that to them, conservatives are The Others. The Sullivans and Bernsteins of the world apparently do not grasp it, because thery are so, er, open-minded. Such people may lack the perspective to judge whose minds are more closed.
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Update: Sanchez responds by e-mail:
Apologies for not directing this straight to the author, but you might note to your writer Karl that I go out of my way to acknowledge, for several paragraphs, that mainstream journalists are mostly leftists, that this inevitably exerts some influence on coverage, and that the attempt to build conservative news outlets is (in principle) a reasonable strategy for introducing a corrective. I think the effort has misfired in important ways, but it’s a little odd to read a position I’ve explicitly (& almost tediously) disavowed ascribed to me. I’m happy to spar over things I actually believe, though.
Sanchez’s original blog post is the first link in this piece. I recommend that people read the whole thing. But you will not find the “several paragraphs” about establishment media bias, which is why his snark (“How do you know they’re liberal? Well, they disagree with the conservative media!”) struck me as dismissive of the issue of establishment media bias. Sanchez may have stated such beliefs elsewhere, in which case I am glad to correct the record.
Taking him at his word, I merely note that his e-mail does not substantively address my main objection to his thesis, which is that — contrary to his bare assertion — conservative media spends a great deal of time presenting and responding substantively to establishment journalism. Although I used a day of Limbaugh to demonstrate the point, I could have as easily sucked up and used HotAir as an example. Allahpundit and Ed do a tremendous amount of substantive response to establishment news reporting and opinion journalism every day, under tight deadlines. Alternately touted and mocked as RINO candy-asses, these two were originally hired by no less than Michelle Malkin, and were retained as valuable assets by Salem Communications. Just another non-example of the epistemic closure on the Right.
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No need, I already got the point Bishop was making.
I was just making a joke in the same vein, i.e the sycophantic state security apparatus never sleeps.
Difficultas_Est_Imperium on May 19, 2013 at 9:16 PM
Hey! This must be the first Sunday show appearance for a hobbit!
PD Quig on May 19, 2013 at 9:21 PM
Uranus.
My job takes me into the homes of anonymous people, and over the past 4+ years I have been amazed to see more than a few who literally had O’bama Shrines not only in their living rooms, but more frequently in their bedrooms. And these were all folks who are white.
Never saw that before, even with JFK or Reagan. To these fools, O’bama is The Pope.
Del Dolemonte on May 19, 2013 at 9:29 PM
to me he’s the Dope.
And there is no hope from that dope.
dmacleo on May 19, 2013 at 10:06 PM
The only hack here is HotAirLib.
Here’s Karl
In twitter comments Karl regrets that be didn’t cite the source of his information as a note and not a primary source.
In other words he still stands by his reporting. Just like the linked NRO story states.
gwelf on May 19, 2013 at 10:48 PM
Dealing with the Obama administration is much like catching a 3-4 year old child in an obvious lie.
landlines on May 19, 2013 at 11:17 PM
Weird.
workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 11:34 PM
Babe, if they put your brain on a razor blade it’d look like a BB rollin’ down a four lane highway…..
Long John Baldry, Mar Y Sol
Tenwheeler on May 19, 2013 at 11:49 PM
“WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?” “IT’S NOT RELEVANT”! “I DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT”. “WE ARE ALL UNFETTERED”. “IT MAY HAVE BEEN WRONG BUT IT WASN’T ILLEGAL”.
OBAMA’S LEGACY
inspectorudy on May 19, 2013 at 11:56 PM
And the big point… “Why were we working off notes?”
Because the White House didn’t allow copies of the e-mails to be distributed…
It was a limited release of some data with large restrictions… the way Obama plays everything. And a few people could see it for just a bit, but they couldn’t have a copy.
Why not let them have copies if they could see them?
Because letting them have a copy would get accurate quotes of course; and that wouldn’t be acceptable.
gekkobear on May 20, 2013 at 12:01 AM
Tea Partiers aren’t anti America. They advocate sticking with American ideas like those expressed in the Constitution. If they’re anti-American, then so was James Madison.
They probably represent a majority of the people who remember why America is different than most nations, and what gives individual Americans the ability to improve their lot in life.
A big central government can’t supply happiness or success. Heck, it can’t even supply toilet paper.
hawksruleva on May 20, 2013 at 12:37 AM
Its a good thing that I ate supper several hours ago because I would have puked my guts out after watching the horses ASS David Gregory on NBC’s hoax Sunday show. He’s another Chapstick addict. The only thing he did was chap his lips kissing Obama’s ASS for the whole show.
I know the answer to my own question but how in the hell can anybody with at least half a brain take this $h!t from Obama’s minions seriously
hamradio on May 20, 2013 at 1:01 AM
Because, you know, that targeting strategy could never be used against causes you favor.
ctwelve on May 20, 2013 at 2:07 AM
An idiot wrapped up in a moron !!!
hamradio on May 20, 2013 at 3:35 AM
Nice!
totherightofthem on May 20, 2013 at 7:08 AM
I’m guessing you stand ready to take a little more from him, though, right?
Go towel off. Your fear permeates the room.
totherightofthem on May 20, 2013 at 7:28 AM
Me guess, all the evils in the universe are the republicans fault. There can be no government big enough to counter all the ills that republicans do.
racquetballer on May 20, 2013 at 7:53 AM
I didn’t think the WH could do worse than Carney or Rice….until this clown…
easyt65 on May 20, 2013 at 8:12 AM
There is an achilles heel with Banghazi.It is where was zero when the terror types attacked.They can’t and won’t answer that one question,they will have to lie.
rodguy911 on May 20, 2013 at 8:14 AM
Release the kracken! Or, at least Obama’s transcripts from Harvard.
racquetballer on May 20, 2013 at 8:50 AM
First, this is to cover the fact two days of emails are still missing THE FIRST TWO DAYS! What is on them? Oh yeah, the really bad stuff.
Second- A sign your administration is in trouble is when it sends out the some intern looking fellow who is back from a college break!
It’s like “Dude, I don’t know what is going on, but these guys from the White House grabbed me on my way to the beach with my board and put this suit on me. They said if I keep repeating the same line over and over, they would take me to Subway afterward for a footlong! I mean who could say no! Knarly!”
Put “Biff” back in the closet and get someone who thinks they have future in politics worth risking to show up.
Right now the equation appears to be: Rats=sinking ship= get the F out!
just saying…
archer52 on May 20, 2013 at 8:54 AM
“The Law is Irrelevant.”
Words mean something!
When miller, head of the IRS, kept being asked over and over ‘don’t you think Congress needed to know what you know – about the scandals – the last time you appeared before us’ he repeated over and over ‘I answered the questions you asked.’ He implied he had no obligation to tell them anything, & it wasn’t his fault they ased the wrong questions. It was technical legalese BS – carefully chosen words to avoid answering their question while insisting to them that his misleading Congress was not wrong because he never technically lied.
When Strong used these 4 words he declared to the world what many of us already knew – the Constitution & U.S. Laws mean NOTHING to this President & his administration! His oath of office meant nothing, his vow to defend & uphold the Constitution & rule of law meant nothing. He declared his war on both of them before he was elected, vowing to fundamentally change the U.S. if elected. By using these 4 words, Strong identified this adminsitration – this President – as an ENEMY OF THE STATE who has intentionally violated the Constitution & law repeatedly…and a declaration that they have no intention of stopping.
easyt65 on May 20, 2013 at 9:02 AM
Back to Bill Clinton, and “is” .
Is it a lie or not.
A lie is a lie.
Is lie.
Is.
APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 20, 2013 at 9:32 AM
I’ve seen this once before,..
My grandmother was born in the 1890′s, raised two seperate sets of kids, one through the depression, outlived three husbands..
and kept till her dying day an FDR shrine, with portrait, candles, flower vases, little plaques..
I never understood why?.. but as an under 10 child never asked about it.
I can say without reservation, I loved Ronald Maximous Reagan, he was MY preside4nt. I voted for him, served under him as my CIC, and died a little bit inside the day he passed away. I’d lost my father all over again in a way…. but that’s my point, to me he was like a loved family member.
Never, did I have a shrine in my home about him, not a picture on the wall, no candles, no daily prayers for his soul.
Because all to many democrats aren’t looking for a hero.. but a demigod. Someone more than human who reaches them on a level we reserve for God only.. them.. he IS GOD.
I lost an uncle recently, didn’t go to his funeral, was not welcome. we were estranged, because of an argument over Reagan back almost 20 years ago.. He was stunned I was a republican, and he being a WW II vet, informed me, I was unAmerican, and almost a traitor because I wasn’t in the little guy’s FDR party..
It got ugly, and later when I said, let’s put our politics aside, and just be family..
he slammed the door in my face..
This is what we’re dealing with, their party is their church, the president of that party, God..
and apostates are to be shunned..
mark81150 on May 20, 2013 at 9:36 AM
HotAirLib,
Stand still we are trying to pee in your face and you keep moving and dodgeing and the subject change drill.
Face the pee.
awk
APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 20, 2013 at 9:37 AM
haha it is always fun to say this to lefties when dealing with them in person – shuts them up every time I’ve done it! :)
Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 9:41 AM
This is an administration in full retreat, and an agenda that is finished.
Progressives that have to resort to intimidation tactics support the contention that they are devoid of any future without the ability to suppress the truth.
itsspideyman on May 20, 2013 at 9:53 AM
Living Colour – “Cult Of Personality”
Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 9:53 AM
You’re comments lately have been cracking me up – good job! :)
Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 9:55 AM
Same here. To continue your thought, I NEVER thought to put up a shrine to him. I considered (and I’m sure he felt the same way) him my equal, a man I could look in the eye and shake his hand with pride.
But that’s the nature of America, and one of its special properties, the thought that all under the eyes of God are created equal.
itsspideyman on May 20, 2013 at 9:57 AM
Hal from the comments being laughed at, seems clearly in the if a democrat does it, it’s legal camp.. and if they have to break some eggs (citizens lives) so be it… he he he..
nice.. so political persecution is permissible..
as long as a liberal does it..
Clearest confession of fascism yet from it.
mark81150 on May 20, 2013 at 9:58 AM
…as you cite a conspiracy about the Republicans doctoring emails that can be debunked by the shining crystal administration releases the actual emails that shows that the Republicans doctored emails.
It’s funny that nobody on your side felt they had to wear the tinfoil hat for the “vast right-wing conspiracy” during the Clinton administration. Back then “conspiracy” wasn’t the commit-able word that it becomes today through the standard pattern of lib’s changing rules and what is and what isn’t politic.
Axeman on May 20, 2013 at 10:02 AM
Exactly.. you never got the feeling he felt superior to you, that were you to meet in a tavern or park, he’d shake your hand and talk to you, and actually care about your opinion.. on a purely neighborly man to man way.
I cannot see any president since,.. well maybe George Bush,.. to have that quality..
every democrat has the Adlie Stevenson edgey.. “what the hell do you want” attitude towards the little guy. LBJ had an ability to ACT like he cared, but he didn’t..
Obama is the worst of that subspecies..
The born to be King and rule you all mentality.. like it was some great favor you’re allowed to even exist on the same planet.. I knew in my gut, he was toxic, when an aide of his remarked, he was the only president not awed by the Oval Office.. that he put his feet on the desk carved from the timber of the HMS Resolute..
That kind of blind hubris.. entitlement leaves you speechless..
Mr. Reagan never set foot in that office without his suit jacket on, and insisted his staff do the same.. as did both Bush’s.
and Obama puts his feet on the desk.. as if it were carved just for him personally. Unbelievable.
mark81150 on May 20, 2013 at 10:12 AM
Burt Prelutsky, a former lib/911-conservative, once wrote that he realized that libs don’t like each over that much, either. Their main communal bond is banding against the hated conservative. If you break that bond, you’re nothing to these people. No amount of agreement to lib causes saved Burt or Bernie Goldberg from being pushed further and further to the right.
Axeman on May 20, 2013 at 10:15 AM
The e-mails were doctored but the birth certificate wasn’t.
BWAHAHAHAHA
Bevan on May 20, 2013 at 10:19 AM
This sort of idolization reminds me of much communist history I have read & searched over & over again.
The times & events are so eerily similar in many, many ways.
People are afraid of Liberty.
And I admit, being free & being responsible for your own decisions, yourself, & your family & community is hard.
It is exactly why Liberty never really does last in society.
Bcs people are mostly scared of life & they do everything they can to avoid living it free.
Being a slave is much easier.
Badger40 on May 20, 2013 at 10:49 AM
Well put, and thank you for your service.
itsspideyman on May 20, 2013 at 10:53 AM
Agreed Badger. Freedom is not for the faint-hearted. It takes no small amount of courage.
itsspideyman on May 20, 2013 at 10:57 AM
Jonathan Karl has apologized. He understands his reporting was flawed and the result was that he misrepresented the emails. – both in substance and in context.
verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 11:45 AM
Oh so that makes all his other biased reporting OK. I see.
Now, when do we hear OBama’s giant a$$ apology for really fracking this country up?
Badger40 on May 20, 2013 at 12:31 PM
He apologized for not clearly stating that his source for the email was a note of the email (since the email was not available) and not the email itself. None of the relevant issues his reporting has raised have changed. Karl hasn’t backed off at all of his reporting and it’s statements.
gwelf on May 20, 2013 at 12:36 PM
Of course, he/she/it could have realized that if it paid attention.
It is so pathetic when these apologists keep doubling down.
Badger40 on May 20, 2013 at 12:41 PM
Their foolish haste to defend their Messiah provides good comedy for us non-Kool Aid drinkers, though. :)
As a reminder, this is Karl’s apology. Reading it, embarrassingly mistaken losers like verbaloser obviously do not understand what “in substance” means…
Jonathan Karl: “Clearly, I regret the email was quoted incorrectly and I regret that it’s become a distraction from the story, which still entirely stands. I should have been clearer about the attribution. We updated our story immediately.”
Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 12:56 PM
Intellectually dishonest leftards like Shallow HAL and verbaloser are like people who mystifyingly believe that pointing out an opponent’s typo overshadows & invalidates what they are disagreeing with, no matter how factual its content may be…
Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 1:03 PM
So your side railing that capitalism is bad, and the military is awful, and we shouldn’t have borders, and the Constitution is outdated and useless isn’t anti-American?
You’re not up on American history are you?
gekkobear on May 20, 2013 at 1:11 PM
Pretty rich that you offer this when you’re coming from a place where the foundation of your accusations is nothing more than hypothetical speculations, suggestions of ‘meanings’, suspicions based based on imagined conversations and scenarios.
The real problem you and others pushing the false Benghazi narrative have to deal with, it that this burst of attention is in fact that…some attention.
And largely the conclusion rational folks reach when in fact seeing all this ‘evidence’, is that there’s nothing to it. They see it for exactly what it is – a political attack machine.
But as we’ve seen this week…you can shift the narrative on a dime. Example would be on the legit IRS issue…we’ve gone from ‘This is an outrage that the President must have known about all along! Don’t believe he was in the dark here!!’ –
to….’It’s an outrage the President didn’t know about this and was in the dark! How could he be so aloof!’.
Ha.
verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 1:53 PM
ROFL@you & your lack of reading comprehension!
Jonathan Karl: “Clearly, I regret the email was quoted incorrectly and I regret that it’s become a distraction from the story, which still entirely stands. I should have been clearer about the attribution. We updated our story immediately.”
Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 1:56 PM
HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 6:30 PM
Listen up, TweezerLips. Think of it this way, HAPOS – eventually, there WILL be another Republican Administration. The law is ALL about prescedent. Now, imagine it the other way round and kindly STFU.
PJ Emeritus on May 20, 2013 at 2:09 PM
http://patdollard.com/2013/05/flashback-hillary-clinton-fired-from-watergate-investigation-for-lying-unethical-behavior-conspiracy-to-violate-the-constitution/
HILLARY IS TOTALLY TRUSTWORTHY…RIGHT?!
The now-retired general counsel and chief of staff of the House Judiciary Committee, who supervised Hillary when she worked on the Watergate investigation, says Hillary’s history of lies and unethical behavior goes back farther – and goes much deeper – than anyone realizes.
Jerry Zeifman, a lifelong Democrat, supervised the work of 27-year-old Hillary Rodham on the committee. Hillary got a job working on the investigation at the behest of her former law professor, Burke Marshall, who was also Sen. Ted Kennedy’s chief counsel in the Chappaquiddick affair. When the investigation was over, Zeifman fired Hillary from the committee staff and refused to give her a letter of recommendation – one of only three people who earned that dubious distinction in Zeifman’s 17-year career.
Why?
“Because she was a liar,” Zeifman said in an interview last week. “She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality.”
“As soon as the impeachment resolutions were introduced by (then-House Minority Leader Gerald) Ford, and they were referred to the House Judiciary Committee, the first thing Douglas did was hire himself a lawyer,” Zeifman said.
The Judiciary Committee allowed Douglas to keep counsel, thus establishing the precedent. Zeifman says he told Hillary that all the documents establishing this fact were in the Judiciary Committee’s public files. So what did Hillary do?
“Hillary then removed all the Douglas files to the offices where she was located, which at that time was secured and inaccessible to the public,” Zeifman said. Hillary then proceeded to write a legal brief arguing there was no precedent for the right to representation by counsel during an impeachment proceeding – as if the Douglas case had never occurred.
The brief was so fraudulent and ridiculous, Zeifman believes Hillary would have been disbarred if she had submitted it to a judge.
** Eric Holder was also caught hiding files when he worked to get the terrorist group FALN a pardon (which they did not want/did not ask for).
easyt65 on May 20, 2013 at 2:09 PM
verb. seriously … come on man. do you just not read stuff you cite before doing your victory laps?
rightmind on May 20, 2013 at 2:13 PM
Get out the ChapStick. Your lips are chapped from kissing @$$
hamradio on May 20, 2013 at 2:14 PM
You were merely being rhetorical, right? :)
Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 2:18 PM
What do you see his ‘story’ to be?
verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 2:20 PM
I don’t think a lack of reading comprehension was the problem.
I think the troll was simply lying about what Karl said. The trolls here lie like dogs, just like their favorite politicians.
Also, you saved me the trouble of digging up that quote from Karl.
farsighted on May 20, 2013 at 2:27 PM
If you want me to consider you more than just a common, everyday, typical partisan hack, go read Karl’s story, give a report proving that you accurately understood it, and define exactly what he meant by “a distraction” from story he claims “still entirely stands.”
Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 2:32 PM
Sure…we can end this on your cop-out and deflection.
verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 2:34 PM
Instead of getting off of your lazy butt to demonstrate to me that I am not talking to pure retard a la non-nonpartisan, you chose to personally attack me, showing that you don’t care that I consider you a partisan hack, which just goes to prove that I am 100% justified in calling you, “verbaloser”!
I am done with you for now, little pinata :)
Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 2:51 PM
Have you heard of a thing called a “Bivens suit”?
You might get familiar with it. Because a lot of people are going to get hit with a lot of these suits very soon.
You think not issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples is an EP violation. Well, even more than that, is applying IRS rules and regulatory scrutiny to conservative and not liberal groups. There isn’t even a rational basis for doing it.
alwaysfiredup on May 20, 2013 at 2:52 PM
In one sense, you are giving the ever-lazy verbaloser more credit here than I, as lying takes effort. IOW, I don’t believe verbaloser even has the brain energy required to create a lie! :)
Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 2:55 PM
You feel ‘personally attacked’?
Zowz.
Um…well, I apologize for…um…attacking you, so…ah…personally.
verbaluce on May 20, 2013 at 3:01 PM
For those who didn’t read the OP…
About Karl’s version of the emails…
No one in the media had the actual emails. All they had were notes taken by people who were allowed to take a look at the emails for a couple/few hours. Emails only some people were only allowed to review as part of a deal the GOP made with the WH to allow the Brennan nomination to proceed.
And here is the difference between what Karl reported and the actual email. An email only released by the WH after pressured to do so by reports based on notes taken by people who got only a relatively brief glimpse of them.
In Clintonian fashion the WH, and its troll corps, would have us believe this makes all of the difference in the world, just like what your definition of “is” is does.
Keep in mind Karl was working from the only source he had, someone else’s notes. And that was because the WH refused to release the emails. He has apologized for not getting the quote exactly right. How could he without access to the original emails?
However, he has not apologized for the content of his report because, after finally getting access to the emails, he thinks his reporting still accurately reflects what was in the emails.
In fact, Karl’s reporting forced the WH to release emails they had refused to release for many months. Apparently that is what it took to get the most transparent WH ever to release what it should have released long ago. Good job Karl.
Now where are the emails from the previous 67 hours?
farsighted on May 20, 2013 at 3:06 PM
I didn’t say, “feel”, did I? That is your word, which is completely expected from a dishonest leftard like you.
Instead of spending your time trying to give me a good reason to believe you were worthy of my time, you tried to make the conservation into one about my ‘motives’, which, to your apparent chagrin, does fall under the definition of “personal attack.”
If you don’t agree, that’s ok – you can argue with yourself about it, little pinata! :)
Anti-Control on May 20, 2013 at 3:19 PM
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