Tea Party Express endorses Democrat in Idaho

posted at 8:48 am on April 21, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Vaughn Ward wonders when the Tea Party Express passed him by.  The Republican challenger to Blue Dog Democrat Rep. Walt Minnick in Idaho figured to at least have a shot at an endorsement to switch the seat from a vote for Nancy Pelosi and Democratic control of the House.  Instead, the Tea Party Express endorsed Minnick, and left a lot of head-scratching behind in Idaho afterward:

When the Tea Party Express last week endorsed Idaho Rep. Walt Minnick — the only Democrat to receive the backing of the conservative grassroots group — one of his Republican challengers said he was simply baffled to learn the news, considering Minnick’s past votes that line up with Democrats on bailouts, the estate tax and Guantanamo Bay.

“He voted for Nancy Pelosi. I mean all these things — I’m like, ‘Wait a minute. This is the guy you guys want to get behind nationally?’” said Republican Vaughn Ward, an active Marine Corps reserve officer whose candidacy for Minnick’s seat was endorsed by Sarah Palin.

His initial shock, Ward told The Daily Caller during an interview Tuesday, turned to frustration upon learning from Tea Party groups in Idaho — who he said have not endorsed candidates in the race yet — that the Tea Party Express didn’t consult them before the endorsement of the Democrat. …

Sal Russo, a strategist with Tea Party Express, said the group did reach out to a number of groups and activists, many of whom support Minnick. Democrats who “are willing to stand up to Pelosi and Reid” should get support from Tea Party organizations “to encourage others” to act similarly, he said.

“When you find someone willing to stand up, you got to stand up with him,” Russo said.

The strategist said he wouldn’t be surprised to see the group add another Democrat or two to the list. “It can’t be a one-party issue. Fiscal responsibility has to be embedded in both parties,” he said.

Tea Party groups from around the country have positioned themselves outside of the Republican Party, demanding accountability from GOP leadership before supporting Republicans. They have also made the point Russo notes here, that both parties need to have fiscal discipline in order for the US to end the spending spree that is sending us careening towards bankruptcy. In that sense, Minnick might be the one Democrat to support. While his party pushed a Porkulus bill that cost $830 billion and didn’t stimulate anything, Minnick proposed a $170 billion version that eliminated all of the pork and had self-termination clauses that returned unspent money after recovery began. He voted against Porkulus, cap-and-trade, and ObamaCare.

On the other hand, Minnick voted for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker, and would certainly do so again in 2011 — and that makes a big difference. The Republicans aren’t guaranteed to win a majority, after all, and they need every seat they can get to take control of the House. Without a Republican majority, Pelosi will once again control the agenda and will continue to pursue her hard-Left, nanny-state, big spending legislation. A vote for Minnick makes that more likely rather than less, which puts the Tea Party efforts at least a little more at risk.

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rootbaga: I appreciate your frustration – as well as your admiration for Minnick as a true conservative. However, the question remains: If Democratic Minnick is elected come November, does that help or hurt our effort to ‘take back the House’?

alwyr on April 21, 2010 at 12:47 PM

I was talking with a very conservative friend in Boise, a Republican, who thinks Minnick is a pretty good guy, but has the misfortune of being a Democrat in a very bad year for the Ds. Of the two Republican candidates, one is an former Marine endorsed by Sarah Palin, and the other is an immigration attorney. While my friend hasn’t met the Marine, he got a very bad vibe from the attorney. Perhaps TPE had the same reaction?

Regarding Minnick’s vote for Pelosi, yes, he has to be accountable for that, but his otherwise excellent voting record should count for something. His alternative stimulus was a very good potential compromise. If he promised not to vote for Madame Botox if the Ds retain a majority next year…?

But, as has been said, it’s just a bad year to be a Democrat, even for a conservative one.

irishspy on April 21, 2010 at 12:54 PM

does that help or hurt our effort to ‘take back the House’?

alwyr on April 21, 2010 at 12:47 PM

Who is “our”?

james23 on April 21, 2010 at 12:54 PM

Without a Republican majority, Pelosi will once again control the agenda and will continue to pursue her hard-Left, nanny-state, big spending legislation.

Tea Party people can support whoever they feel represents them. But they must understand the background. Anyone who doesn’t understand the above statement is doomed to counteract their own efforts. And all we have is to go back to them after the fact and tell them, thanks for making it impossible to do the things you wanted us to do. Have a nice generation.

Sultry Beauty on April 21, 2010 at 12:55 PM

As one of Walt Minnicks constituents, I would like to point out that he hasn’t been too bad for a Democrat. He reminds me a bit of what Democrats used to be like, and he certainly isn’t a wild-eyed lunatic like Alan Grayson. Yeah, he’s voted the wrong way on some things, but he has voted the right way on a lot of huge issues. His staff (both in ID and DC) have been very pleasant to work with and they listen when someone calls. I have corresponded with him several times and he always replies. Having said all that, would I vote for him? Probably not, but that is not a reflection on him, it’s a reflection on the Democrat party as a whole. Yeah, the ID GOP does treat us grassroots conservatives with contempt, but that’s the norm all over the GOP. Either way, I think we’ll be okay in ID, but I fear for the rest of the country.

jdawg on April 21, 2010 at 1:02 PM

I wan enthusiastic about the Tea Party when it was a venue to express frustration and a way to make voices heard. If they are going into the business of endorsing candidates, then i am not interested. I ignore endorsements.

bopbottle on April 21, 2010 at 1:07 PM

I merely posed the question: If Democratic Minnick is elected come November, does that help or hurt our effort to ‘take back the House’?

james23 asks the snarky question “Who is “our”?

James, the phrase take back the House by definition can only refer to the party which currently does not control the House. While this concept is difficult to diagram, I’ll nevertheless use very simple words which even you should be able to understand: We will never ‘take back the House’ by voting for Democratic candidates What part of the previous sentence is beyond your comprehension?

alwyr on April 21, 2010 at 1:07 PM

The Tea Party Express may have been in Idaho long enough to notice that the Idaho Republican Party is completely controlled by RINOs and is 1,000 times more hostile to conservatives and the Tea Party than they are toward Democrats opponents. The Idaho GOP routinely undermines new, fresh conservative candidates both in the Primary and in the General if they beat the establishment RINO in the Primary.

rootabaga on April 21, 2010 at 9:54 AM

The national party is no different, of course. This is why it behooves conservatives and tea partiers to keep some distance between themselves and the party.
If I lived in Idaho, I’d probably vote for this R Ward, who looks pretty good. But I completely understand why the TPE may have wanted to look for an opportunity to endorse a sane Democrat.

james23 on April 21, 2010 at 1:08 PM

alwyr on April 21, 2010 at 1:07 PM

Hey Perry Mason, give the attitude a rest. Yes, of course by “our” you did mean “the GOP’s.” And in your own special way you do help make the point that the TPE’s top mission is NOT, nor should it be, to return RINOs to power. That is Mike Steele’s mission.

james23 on April 21, 2010 at 1:14 PM

The Idaho Republican RINO establishment intends to take the seat back that they GAVE to Minnick, and the Idaho people have had it with them overruling the electorate.

That’s the story in a nutshell.

rootabaga on April 21, 2010 at 12:01 PM

What a fu*king idiot. You’re going to give Crazy Aunt Nancy two more votes of support because you are engaged in a tit-for-tat with the Idaho GOP RINOs?

That’s a special kind of stupid. Reminds me of the Illinois conservatives who are inclined to elect a complete liberal clown in here because they hate the RINO Mark Kirk that the GOP nominated, never mind that there was no other choice on the ballot among the single-digit also-rans.

This is even stupider: you have an actual conservative to vote for, and instead you’ll vote for a Democrat who has never denied Pelosi a vote that she needed.

Jaibones on April 21, 2010 at 1:19 PM

I don’t think so — not this year. There is too much at stake. There may indeed be plenty of decent Democrats out there who would support our agenda, but Nanzi knows how to twist arms and get votes. Possibly when she’s out of power and we have a majority back we could start endorsing more fiscally conservative Dems, but at this point, I would say it’s risky. We’re doing good just to get the Republicans to straighten up and fly right.

NoLeftTurn on April 21, 2010 at 1:24 PM

Damn – a lot of people on this blog seem to think the Tea Parties are in some kind of “servitude” to the Republican Party and the GOP has a right to somehow count on … nay, DEMAND that Tea Party folks vote for them.

HondaV65 on April 21, 2010 at 12:29 PM

Its a GOP blog, Honda, not a conservative blog. That would certainly explain the poll results, and the blogging. GOP=/=conservative, necessarily.

You guys need to energize RINO voters to go out and get RINO’s elected – Tea Party wants REAL Conservatives who have the guts to do what needs to be done. Well, at least mine does.

HondaV65 on April 21, 2010 at 12:38 PM

I liked the suggeestion someone else made above, where the TP instead of endorsing one for each race, may give the seal of approval to any candidate who is on board with TP principles, even if it means more than one candidate in a race gets the seal of approval, and in some races (most, in my locality) none would.

james23 on April 21, 2010 at 1:28 PM

Why do I get the sneaking suspicion that the Tea Partiers have succumbed to “conservative guilt” (much the same way whites have “white guilt” over the threat of racism charges)? It is almost like they want to “prove themselves” to not be affiliated with either party. We have nothing to prove but our principles. Stand by them or count me out of the Tea Party.

PrincipledPilgrim on April 21, 2010 at 1:33 PM

james, all I know is either the Republicans or the Democrats become the majority party come November. There is no other possible outcome.

I have no doubt (from what I’ve read on this post) that Minnick is a very good man, and under other circumstances would be worthy of his constituents’ vote. He probably still is.

However, he IS a Democrat, so on the day after election when the totals are being reported to the House, Minnick (D) Idaho appears in the Democratic column. So, instead of of the Republican party flipping the required 40 Democratic seats to gain control, it “flips” 39.

Unfortunately, if that were to happen (and every seat is critical) we’ve not only lost the battle to the Democrats – we’ve lost the war. We’re not getting a 2d chance, so don’t look to 2012.

BTW: I do apologize for my attitude – It’s pretty easy to get worked up over this – with soooooo much at stake!

alwyr on April 21, 2010 at 1:35 PM

Tea Party Express is the new RNC — throwing its weight around in places it ought not to.

unclesmrgol on April 21, 2010 at 1:40 PM

–SEIU is a union and does things that are not election- or politically-related. What do the Tea Parties do that are not election- or politically-related?

Jimbo3 on April 21, 2010 at 12:02 PM

You make less sense than usual with this one. Try again.

angryed on April 21, 2010 at 1:50 PM

Who is “our”?

james23 on April 21, 2010 at 12:54 PM

Conservatives.

holygoat on April 21, 2010 at 1:56 PM

BTW I just went to the http://www.teapartyexpress.org website and can find no record of any endorsements, so where exactly is this information coming from? The Daily Caller article list one person stating they did, but I can find no official announcement of any endorsements by them.

JeffinSac on April 21, 2010 at 10:19 AM

It would look like the endorsement is the fact he made their heroes list. I found this on CNN.

The Tea Party Express, which just wrapped up their three week, 47-city “Just Vote Them Out!” bus tour, listed 13 Democrats on their “Tea Party Targets” list and 13 Republicans plus Minnick on their “Tea Party Heroes” list.

ButterflyDragon on April 21, 2010 at 1:56 PM

I don’t think so — not this year. There is too much at stake. There may indeed be plenty of decent Democrats out there who would support our agenda, but Nanzi knows how to twist arms and get votes. Possibly when she’s out of power and we have a majority back we could start endorsing more fiscally conservative Dems, but at this point, I would say it’s risky. We’re doing good just to get the Republicans to straighten up and fly right.

NoLeftTurn on April 21, 2010 at 1:24 PM

Which is why I’ll most likely vote for a good solid GOP instead of Minnick. If it weren’t for the fact that the Dems are made up mostly of nutjob, certifiable (i.e., Alan Grayson), socialists it might be different. There’s too much at stake here.

Tea Party Express is the new RNC — throwing its weight around in places it ought not to.

unclesmrgol on April 21, 2010 at 1:40 PM

Ummm, whatever. That comment makes no sense whatsoever.

jdawg on April 21, 2010 at 2:00 PM

He voted against Porkulus, cap-and-trade, and ObamaCare.

Okay. He gets a head nod for that.

On the other hand, Minnick voted for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker, and would certainly do so again in 2011 — and that makes a big difference.

Disqualified.

Honestly he was probably only protecting himself when he voted with the people. The facts that ONE he hasn’t left the democratic party after their true agenda was revealed. And TWO that he considers a liar like Pelosi in any way qualified to be Speaker. Prove that there really are no moderate Democrats and there is no reason to pretend otherwise.

Tea Party I know you don’t want to be stuck with Republicans if they go back to big spending but Democrats are just not to be trusted. Ever.

The only real option is to trust Republicans one more time. Give them a chance to show they’ve changed. Because we know for a fact that Democrats are too corrupt and their agenda is too dangerous to give any license at all.

At least when Republicans do it they do it slow enough to stop it.

Dem’s MO is do it so fast nobody has time to stop them.

petunia on April 21, 2010 at 2:09 PM

alwyr on April 21, 2010 at 1:35 PM

That sounds well and good … but how does a GOP majority in Congress keep this nation from going bankrupt?

Is the GOP going to reform entitlements? There’s some good folks in the GOP – like Paul Ryan, who want to do that. Paul Ryan wants to phase out Social Security for anyone under 55 and move them to private programs. I’m all for it but …

Is RINO Scott Brown gonna vote for that? Will Susan Collins? Will Olympia Snowe? What about Joe Cao?

Do you think they will go on record early for reforming entitlements and stick by their pledge when the opinion polls fall out on them?

I don’t.

So you cannot make a connection between electing a GOP majority and putting this nation back on track to avoid bankruptcy..

Now – you CAN say that the GOP is the lesser of two evils – to which I respond … “Why does anyone care?”

The nation is on track to go bankrupt – no if’s, and’s, or but’s. The entitlements have already been created to ensure this nation will fail. It will fail very quickly if we leave it to the Democrats, who will continue to install new unfunded entitlements along with their friends in the GOP like Scott Brown – who voted for Pork II.

Or the nation will fail “slowly” under the GOP – who will refuse to pass any further entitlements – but who won’t reform the ones that are already going to bury us.

So we do have a choice – fail quickly under the Dems – or fail slowly under the GOP.

I’m not so sure quick failure isn’t the best option here!

Don’t take this as an endorsement of the Dems – it’s actually a condemnation of RINO’s and weak kneed Republicans. I support Jim DeMint’s efforts to purge the party of moderates. We need fighters right now. We don’t need any more Scott Browns.

HondaV65 on April 21, 2010 at 2:11 PM

Why do I get the sneaking suspicion that the Tea Partiers have succumbed to “conservative guilt” (much the same way whites have “white guilt” over the threat of racism charges)? It is almost like they want to “prove themselves” to not be affiliated with either party. We have nothing to prove but our principles. Stand by them or count me out of the Tea Party.

PrincipledPilgrim on April 21, 2010 at 1:33 PM

I hope you are wrong. Someone should present this idea to the TeaParty and see what they say.

petunia on April 21, 2010 at 2:12 PM

Or the nation will fail “slowly” under the GOP – who will refuse to pass any further entitlements – but who won’t reform the ones that are already going to bury us.

So we do have a choice – fail quickly under the Dems – or fail slowly under the GOP.

I’m not so sure quick failure isn’t the best option here!

Don’t take this as an endorsement of the Dems – it’s actually a condemnation of RINO’s and weak kneed Republicans. I support Jim DeMint’s efforts to purge the party of moderates. We need fighters right now. We don’t need any more Scott Browns.

HondaV65 on April 21, 2010 at 2:11 PM

I was thinking like that a couple of weeks ago. Maybe we do need to completely fail so we can rebuild from the bottom up on correct principles.

But really that isn’t going to happen. Even if we fail there will still be the same old two parties.

The only way is to take over one of the parties. The way Progressives took over the Dems.

And it is happening.

I reserve the right to go back to your way of thinking however. I’m not at all sure what we should be doing.

And I am not nearly as impatient with “Rinos” as you are.

petunia on April 21, 2010 at 2:16 PM

holygoat

Vaughn Ward is one of two Republicans running in the Primary, and he is the darling of the Idaho RINO establishment. Raul Labrador is running against Vaughn Ward in the Republican Primary for the Congressional seat.

As ASimpleDad said, the RINO establishment in Idaho doesn’t just pick crappy candidates, they use the police power of the state and the judges, lawyers and officials they own to harrass, intimidate, smear, bankrupt or otherwise destroy anyone who cross them. So while it might be an amusing spectator sport for the rest of you, for people in Idaho it ain’t just beanbags.

rootabaga on April 21, 2010 at 2:18 PM

Jaibones
Oh, so you’re supporting Raul Labrador against Vaughn Ward in the Republican Primary? Is that what you mean by there being a “real” conservative? Or are you just observing from afar?

rootabaga on April 21, 2010 at 2:24 PM

The last true conservative Democrat was Zell Miller, all the others are imposters.

moonsbreath on April 21, 2010 at 2:42 PM

If a Democrat is willing to go on the record that they adhere to (at least a very large portion of) the Tea Party’s fundamental platform, then I think it may be ok to to at least consider support them. The same applies to Republicans.

Having said all that though, extreme care should be taken not to dilute the power of Tea Party to enact needed change through votes in Congress.

As we’ve seen, the power of the pressure brought to bear on Democrats by Pelosi and Reid, et al, must be a factor in deciding to support a Democrat over a Republican because as a gross rule of thumb a Republican in Congress is better than a Democrat – sometimes maybe not by much, but in aggregate, by enough.

DrDeano on April 21, 2010 at 2:43 PM

If Minnick actually opposes his party’s leadership, then maybe he should do what Lieberman did and go Independent. The truth is at this point, the leadership of the Democratic party is comprised of people like Obama, Pelosi and Reid..as long as they are running things, no, the Tea Party should not endorse them. In fact sometimes they might be better off not officially supporting anyone.

Terrye on April 21, 2010 at 2:53 PM

Is that what you mean by there being a “real” conservative? Or are you just observing from afar?

rootabaga on April 21, 2010 at 2:24 PM

B – observing from way, way afar. On the other hand, we have the definitive RINO vs. Liberal Senate race in Illinois with Mark Kirk. Kirk makes Charlie Crist look like Jim DeMint, but let’s face it – general elections are almost always an either/or proposition.

I campaigned loud and loud for the conservative alternative to Mark Kirk, but the candidates who ran against him sucked, had no funding (thanks, Cornyn, you scumbag), and campaigned like they had just been born on Christmas day. No one had ever heard of them and they did nothing to change that.

So Kirk won. And now we have a 50/50 RINO against an automatic leftist from the Chicago School – an unqualified, know-nothing punk who will vote with the left fringe of the Senate automatically.

So I’ll vote for Kirk, whom I despise. And on the major issues, he’ll vote almost always with the party. Except sometimes. And on that sometimes day, we’ll all wail and gnash our teeth and scream about RINOs and how did he get this seat?! But I know how.

Jaibones on April 21, 2010 at 2:57 PM

As ASimpleDad said, the RINO establishment in Idaho doesn’t just pick crappy candidates, they use the police power of the state and the judges, lawyers and officials they own to harrass, intimidate, smear, bankrupt or otherwise destroy anyone who cross them. So while it might be an amusing spectator sport for the rest of you, for people in Idaho it ain’t just beanbags.

rootabaga on April 21, 2010 at 2:18 PM

This strikes me as a cop out. It really does, when conservatives have people they like to vote for, they take the credit…when they don’t like the choices, they blame the fabled RINOs. Maybe conservatives in Idaho should get more involved in the process instead of just blaming other people. In fact, I am getting more and more tired of the whole RINO label. Who gets to decides who that is? And if you really don’t like the RINO then how can voting for a Democrat be an alternative?

Terrye on April 21, 2010 at 2:58 PM

Republicans=Corruptocrats=Democrats

Keep your eye on the ball folks. The parties love to divide us. Put the best person in. If they perform badly, vote ‘em out.
The partisan crap takes our attention away from the true bogeyman, unbridled deficit spending and the theft of American’s money by the banks.

riverrat10k on April 21, 2010 at 3:03 PM

I campaigned loud and loud for the conservative alternative to Mark Kirk, but the candidates who ran against him sucked, had no funding (thanks, Cornyn, you scumbag),

I think it is also a matter of giving the money to people they believe can or will win. They make mistakes, {as in Florida when they jumped in to soon}, but that is the problem in primaries. If they pick a Republican and give him money to run against another Republican, that is not good…but then again people without resources need money to get noticed.

Terrye on April 21, 2010 at 3:03 PM

Keep your eye on the ball folks. The parties love to divide us. Put the best person in. If they perform badly, vote ‘em out.
The partisan crap takes our attention away from the true bogeyman, unbridled deficit spending and the theft of American’s money by the banks.

riverrat10k on April 21, 2010 at 3:03 PM

Yeah yeah, sure. I read something like this and I wonder if people even know how our system works. We do not have a parliamentary system. The party that has the most seats, sets the agenda. If the Republicans controlled the Congress, something like Obamacare would not even come up for a vote.

I do think that excessive partisanship can be detrimental and it is getting worse all the time, however, it is part of our system.

Terrye on April 21, 2010 at 3:06 PM

The partisan crap takes our attention away from the true bogeyman, unbridled deficit spending and the theft of American’s money by the banks.

riverrat10k on April 21, 2010 at 3:03 PM

“Partisan crap” happens to be extremely applicable here because the Democrats have never been fiscal conservatives.
At least not since FDR’s day.

Jenfidel on April 21, 2010 at 3:10 PM

Republicans=Corruptocrats=Democrats
riverrat10k on April 21, 2010 at 3:03 PM

Sorry, but I don’t happen to subscribe to your view that Republicans are “corruptocrats.”

We have some good men and women in the GOP.
I’m proud to vote straight ticket Republican.

Jenfidel on April 21, 2010 at 3:12 PM

This strikes me as a cop out. It really does, when conservatives have people they like to vote for, they take the credit…when they don’t like the choices, they blame the fabled RINOs. Maybe conservatives in Idaho should get more involved in the process instead of just blaming other people. In fact, I am getting more and more tired of the whole RINO label. Who gets to decides who that is? And if you really don’t like the RINO then how can voting for a Democrat be an alternative?

Terrye on April 21, 2010 at 2:58 PM

What’s a cop out? We are voting for a Democrat because the Republicans here are crap. Fine, the Republican Party here is pure Republican, let’s drop the RINO thing. They believe that our wise leaders know better for us than we do, you are saying that is the Republican way? They intimidate us with scare tactics (seriously people here will tell me ‘I support you 100%, but I have family to feed, so I can’t get involved’). I guess that is the Republican party. So you are right Terrye, no more excuses from me, they are part of the Republican party, so I am disgusted with the Republican party. I’m voting for Walt because I am against abusive government. I won’t cop out and say ‘Well, I’ll give the Republicans another chance because….’, that would just be a cop out too, wouldn’t it? So I have made up my mind, thanks to all here.

ASimpleDad on April 21, 2010 at 3:12 PM

They intimidate us with scare tactics (seriously people here will tell me ‘I support you 100%, but I have family to feed, so I can’t get involved’).

What are you talking about?
To whom are you referring?

I’m voting for Walt because I am against abusive government.

There’s no way that Major Vaughn Ward could be part of “abusive government” if he’s not the incumbent and would be new to Congress!

I won’t cop out and say ‘Well, I’ll give the Republicans another chance because….’, that would just be a cop out too, wouldn’t it?

ASimpleDad on April 21, 2010 at 3:12 PM

Of course it wouldn’t be a “cop out!”
Republicans have better ideas and values that are in line with the Tea Party and vote more often for legislation that honors our Constitution and Founding Fathers and documents.
BTW, how old are you?
The expression “cop out” goes back to the 1960′s.

Jenfidel on April 21, 2010 at 3:25 PM

Republicans=Corruptocrats=Democrats
riverrat10k on April 21, 2010 at 3:03 PM
Sorry, but I don’t happen to subscribe to your view that Republicans are “corruptocrats.”

We have some good men and women in the GOP.
I’m proud to vote straight ticket Republican.

Jenfidel on April 21, 2010 at 3:12 PM

Ok, y’all, I get the point. And I tend to vote Republican, BTW.
But I am disgusted with the overall culture of corruption in DC. It is the fault of the electorate in not paying enough attention and reining in the abuses promulgated by both parties. Goldman Sachs is a huge contributor to BOTH parties, for example.
I became politically aware during the Watergate trials. Watched the POTUS lie, on camera, on a daily basis. Bush 1, “read my lips, no new taxes”. Clinton, “depends on what your definition of is is”. Honestly, the country seems to work best with an adversarial relationship between the executive and legislative branches. Fewer laws get passed overall, and the ones that do have at least been bashed pretty hard from both sides, allowing the electorate to actually see the conflicts involved.
All this said, I would like to see a Rep. house in ’10. Followed by an Obama eviction in ’12, with the possibility of losing the house back. Keepin’ ‘em fighting keeps ‘em from passing. Just my 2 krugerrands.

riverrat10k on April 21, 2010 at 3:25 PM

On the other hand, Minnick voted for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker

Just how relevant is that? Is that a kind of courtesy thing, that most of not all republicans take part in?

ernesto on April 21, 2010 at 3:28 PM

Vaughn Ward is one of two Republicans running in the Primary, and he is the darling of the Idaho RINO establishment. Raul Labrador is running against Vaughn Ward in the Republican Primary for the Congressional seat.

As ASimpleDad said, the RINO establishment in Idaho doesn’t just pick crappy candidates, they use the police power of the state and the judges, lawyers and officials they own to harrass, intimidate, smear, bankrupt or otherwise destroy anyone who cross them. So while it might be an amusing spectator sport for the rest of you, for people in Idaho it ain’t just beanbags.

rootabaga on April 21, 2010 at 2:18 PM

If what you say about Vaughn Ward and the Idaho GOP is true, why would Sarah Palin, who’s fought corruption in the GOP in AK, endorse Vaughn Ward?
BTW, are you aware that this “RINO,” that you practically accuse of being corrupt before he even is elected, is a decorated veteran?

Jenfidel on April 21, 2010 at 3:31 PM

Just how relevant is that? Is that a kind of courtesy thing, that most of not all republicans take part in?

ernesto on April 21, 2010 at 3:28 PM

Minnick’s a Democrat, not a Republican.
Voting for Nancy was a done deal.

Jenfidel on April 21, 2010 at 3:31 PM

But I am disgusted with the overall culture of corruption in DC.

Washington, D.C. is currently in the control of the Democrats, at least the White House, House and Senate and the Precedent and his Cabinet and staff are from Democrat croney-controlled Chicago.

Republicans, overall, are not corrupt.
If you want to make lists of which party has the most people in jail, under indictment, impeached or facing ethics charges, I guarantee you the Democrats will win that contest.

It is the fault of the electorate in not paying enough attention and reining in the abuses promulgated by both parties.

Maybe, but…so what? Let’s clean it up starting now.
Bug your friends, too. Tell them to read up and get educated on the issues and to stop getting their political opinions from the MSM.

Goldman Sachs is a huge contributor to BOTH parties, for example.

So, what?
Which administration has been sweeter to Goldman, though, than Obama’s?

I became politically aware during the Watergate trials. Watched the POTUS lie, on camera, on a daily basis.

Nixon was never on trial and the only wrongdoing he was ever known to have committed was the cover-up.
Watergate was a bloodless coup from the Left, using the MSM as the “assassin.”

Bush 1, “read my lips, no new taxes”.

President Bush 41 got overridden by a Democrat-controlled Congress.

Clinton, “depends on what your definition of is is”.

Don’t get me started on Slick Willie!

Honestly, the country seems to work best with an adversarial relationship between the executive and legislative branches.

This is an old and popular “theory” that I’ve never liked.
Usually, it means gridlock, which is the best we can hope for until we can vote Maobama out.

All this said, I would like to see a Rep. house in ‘10. Followed by an Obama eviction in ‘12, with the possibility of losing the house back. Keepin’ ‘em fighting keeps ‘em from passing. Just my 2 krugerrands.

riverrat10k on April 21, 2010 at 3:25 PM

Why kruger rands? You South African?

I agree with you, but I don’t want to keep them “fighting;” I want to keep them honest and standing for the Constitution.

I do hope you’re aware that are there are fundamental differences in ideology, values and goals between the 2 political parties that make them profoundly different(and which make Democrats more prone to be both corrupt and Socialist).

Jenfidel on April 21, 2010 at 3:44 PM

Have we STILL not learned that elections have consequences? I’d take a majority RINO’s as opposed a Democrat majority.

Onus on April 21, 2010 at 3:46 PM

Republican Guilt. The media says Republicans are bad, so I have to prove that I am not with them all the time.

PrezHussein on April 21, 2010 at 3:51 PM

Jenfidel on April 21, 2010 at 3:44 PM

I think we are on the same side on most issues Jen.

I just don’t see Republicans as having a much bigger halo than Dems, but I do agree, at this point in our history, that we are probably better off electing them rather than members of the Donkey party.

Nixon was as corrupt as they come, but not the worst POTUS we have had. Pretty stupid though, when the election was in the bag anyway.

I am still rather upset at the abusive spending under Bush II when the Repubs. had the house. Of course, it didn’t improve when the Dems. regained in ’06. *sigh*
What’s a fiscal conservative to do?

Sincerely; have a good evening!

riverrat10k on April 21, 2010 at 4:02 PM

BTW, are you aware that this “RINO,” that you practically accuse of being corrupt before he even is elected, is a decorated veteran?

Jenfidel

I said nothing whatsoever about Vaughn Ward except that he is the candidate the Idaho RINO GOP establishment has chosen. What I have said is that the Idaho GOP establishment is a tight knit group of elitist RINO bullies who are more hostile to conservatives and the Tea Party than they are to Democrats. They are NOT conservative, they do NOT believe in fiscal responsibility or liberty. They have a long history of engineering mid-term resignations so they can appoint RINOs who can later run as incumbents. Their track record sucks on many levels.

As for Sarah Palin’s endorsements, she endorsed the Mother-of-all-RINOs, John McCain, as well as Al Gore’s former campaign manager, Rick Perry, and I’m sure she’ll endorse other RINO in addition to some good conservatives. She isn’t the second coming of Christ, nor is she infallible, as much as I admire her.

As far as being a decorated veteran, many good veterans make terrible elected officials. These are a few who come to mind:
John McCain, Jack Murtha, Jim Webb, John Kerry

If you know something about Vaughn Ward, his Republican Primary opponent or Walt Minnick that persuades me to believe Mr. Ward is a terrific, rock-ribbed conservative dynamo, rather than a former McCain campaigner, please share it.

rootabaga on April 21, 2010 at 4:10 PM

Sure screw over Idaho , it is such a tiny state out of habit half the news clowns say Iowa anyway . Sal Russo was hired by the RINOs to hijack the TP and he has provided a snappy comeback to Chris Matthews . WE in Idaho use old catalogs instead of TP anyway and say may a pox be upon both your chickens .

borntoraisehogs on April 21, 2010 at 4:32 PM

If you know something about Vaughn Ward, his Republican Primary opponent or Walt Minnick that persuades me to believe Mr. Ward is a terrific, rock-ribbed conservative dynamo, rather than a former McCain campaigner, please share it.

rootabaga on April 21, 2010 at 4:10 PM
Here’s his website:
Vaughn Ward
From his platform, he looks like a terrific, rock-ribbed Conservative dynamo to me and not like a RINO, although I’m still not sure how you’re defining that.

BTW, I’ll take your word for it that the Idaho GOP has problems if you’ll take my word for it that Texans are pretty happy with Governor Rick Perry and don’t regard him to be a RINO.
He’s standing up for TX and against Maobama’s Statism.
(We forgive him for once being a Democrat and heading up Algore’s campaign in TX.)

Jenfidel on April 21, 2010 at 4:34 PM

Nixon was as corrupt as they come, but not the worst POTUS we have had. Pretty stupid though, when the election was in the bag anyway.

Did the Left ever prove that Nixon was corrupt?
I don’t think so.
As for the ’72 election and doings of C.R.E.E.P., there’s no reason to believe that Nixon knew what the Watergate crew were up to, really.

I am still rather upset at the abusive spending under Bush II when the Repubs. had the house. Of course, it didn’t improve when the Dems. regained in ‘06. *sigh*
What’s a fiscal conservative to do?

I know what you mean and Bush 43 should have known better.
I’m a staunch fiscal Conservative myself, as well as a Constitutionalist, i.e. if the Constitution doesn’t mention it as a federal duty, it shouldn’t get funded!
I guess even the GOP thought we could afford rich programs like Medicare Rx drugs and NCLB. (Mistake!)

Sincerely; have a good evening!

riverrat10k on April 21, 2010 at 4:02 PM

To you, too, and try to look on the GOP a little more kindly…!

Jenfidel on April 21, 2010 at 4:44 PM

Jenfidel
Oh, you read the candidate’s website! I never would have thought of that. Now I feel much better about his credentials, and the Idaho RINO GOP establishment.

rootabaga on April 21, 2010 at 4:45 PM

The point is to get (hopefully) decent representatives who will listen to the People and not to engage in corrupt politics and outrageous taxation regardless of what party they say they belong to.

Then, after one or two terms even if they perform admirably vote them out and put someone just as good or even better in there. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Dr. ZhivBlago on April 21, 2010 at 4:47 PM

Jenfidel,
Did you read Mr. Ward’s Republican opponent’s website http://labrador4idaho.com/ How conservative did he sound according to himself? More or less than Vaughn Ward sounds according to himself?
How conservative does Walt Minnick sound according to himself? http://waltminnick.com/ He says he’s “Right for Idaho”, so he must be.

rootabaga on April 21, 2010 at 4:49 PM

Nixon was as corrupt as they come, but not the worst POTUS we have had. Pretty stupid though, when the election was in the bag anyway.

I don’t think Nixon was corrupt. I think he had a paranoid streak that got him into trouble, but I honestly do not think he was a crook.

Terrye on April 21, 2010 at 5:06 PM

Honda v65 You pose such questions as “how will a Republican majority keep this country form going bankrupt”? Honda, hang onto your hat…WE ARE ALREADY BANKRUPT!!! In the last 413 days, Democrats have increased our long term debt by $13+ trillion. We cannot sustain this debt level

Please go back to Kos where they will no doubt welcome your inanities.

alwyr on April 21, 2010 at 5:07 PM

I am still rather upset at the abusive spending under Bush II when the Repubs. had the house. Of course, it didn’t improve when the Dems. regained in ‘06. *sigh*
What’s a fiscal conservative to do?

Bush was downright stingy compared to the Democrats. In fact every time he did veto a spending bill they over rode it. All you have to do is look at the level of spending to see the difference. And the truth is Bush had to deal with a lot. Reagan was not a fiscal conservative by today’s standards, but I think most conservatives admire him. It is often times a matter of balance, of realistic choices.

Terrye on April 21, 2010 at 5:08 PM

said nothing whatsoever about Vaughn Ward except that he is the candidate the Idaho RINO GOP establishment has chosen.

rootabaga:

And what does that even mean? It is not as if people can not make a difference, look at Rubio in Florida, look at Brown in Mass…maybe the problem in Idaho is not with the socalled establishment, maybe it is the average people. After all, if you don’t like the choices come up with someone better..don’t vote for the guy with a D behind his name and then complain about a lack of conservative choices.

Terrye on April 21, 2010 at 5:12 PM

Nixon was as corrupt as they come, but not the worst POTUS we have had. Pretty stupid though, when the election was in the bag anyway.

Uhm … Nixon didn’t order the breakin. Nixon didn’t know about the break in until after it happened. Nixon’s guilt was in covering up the break in.

HondaV65 on April 21, 2010 at 5:30 PM

Terrye on April 21, 2010 at 5:08 PM

Three words …

PRESCRIPTION DRUG PLAN

and one more …

“UNFUNDED”

HondaV65 on April 21, 2010 at 5:31 PM

If the Tea Party blindly endorses every Republican, it loses its leverage and the GOP will continue supporting and funding RINOs over conservatives.

The Tea Party may have meant this endorsement as a “shot across the bow.”

bw222 on April 21, 2010 at 5:36 PM

Honda v65 You pose such questions as “how will a Republican majority keep this country form going bankrupt”? Honda, hang onto your hat…WE ARE ALREADY BANKRUPT!!! In the last 413 days, Democrats have increased our long term debt by $13+ trillion. We cannot sustain this debt level

Please go back to Kos where they will no doubt welcome your inanities.

alwyr on April 21, 2010 at 5:07 PM

I’m not a KOS type.

And no – we aren’t bankrupt “technically”.

When I say bankrupt I’m using it to actually say “fail” … or … “in default”.

When I say bankrupt – I’m talking depression. Sorry for not being more clear on that.

Now, I stand by that which I writ – that Dems will cause the nation to fail “fast”.

And the GOP, unless co-opted by the people … will only cause the nation to fail … “less fast”.

Tell me why you disagree with this. Tell me why you think the GOP will actually reform entitlements. Tell me how people like Scott Brown, Olympia Snowe, Joe Cao, Susan Collins, etc – will vote reform entitlements.

I’m all ears.

HondaV65 on April 21, 2010 at 5:36 PM

HondaV65: Please keep living in your ideal world. I have said previously it is imperative that ‘Republicans’ take back the House in 2010. If they don’t, then as far as I’m concerned we’re fuc%ed as a nation – because 2012 will be too late.

Control of the House is determined by one factor and one factor alone – On the day after the election when a roll call is taken in the House, the only salient question is: How many people do we have in this chamber with an ‘R” behind their name(s) and how many with a ‘D’?

It’s not a matter of who will/will not ‘vote for entitlements’. We don’t have the luxury of waiting for the answer to that question right now.

If we don’t gain control of the House in November (i.e. get more ‘Republicans’ voted into office than Democrats), then all of your concerns ab’t Scott Brown, O. Snow, etc., are rendered moot.

PLEASE THINK AHEAD!!! We absolutely need to take control of the House in 2010, and it doesn’t matter if that control is gained through squishy RINOs or the most stalwart conservatives in the Republican camp. Above all else, WE NEED CONTROL!!! We’ll take care of squishy Republicans in 2012

alwyr on April 21, 2010 at 6:11 PM

I can’t imagine, in this Congress, a Dem is going to be to the right of any GOP in the House, even RINOs. Not on legislation that matters. They will vote with their party, or Nancy will strongarm them like she did Stupak. Even Leiberman caved.

I agree with alwyr, we need to vote in the GOP this November. Numbers are most important this year.

YehuditTX on April 21, 2010 at 6:56 PM

PS Having said that, vote for the Republican who can

win

, even if he is more squishy than you would prefer. Numbers numbers numbers. We can’t afford purity.

There is also the psychological impact of the House filling up with a huge GOP block and overwhelming the Dems, so soon after the 2006-2008 bloodbath. That really sends a message, even if a few of the individuals are less pure than some would like.

YehuditTX on April 21, 2010 at 7:00 PM

Minnick ran as a democrat because he knew that he was not conservative enough to win a republican primary in Idaho. Although I have not had disagreements with his voting record, I will not give him my vote because he joined himself with a party he does not agree with for the sake of taking advantage of anti-Bush sentiment last election.

spudmom on April 21, 2010 at 8:43 PM

Did you read Mr. Ward’s Republican opponent’s website http://labrador4idaho.com/ How conservative did he sound according to himself? More or less than Vaughn Ward sounds according to himself?

His stand on the issues sounds the same as Ward’s, except that he doesn’t stand for “No Amnesty” and “Secure Borders.”
Curiously, he has an Hispanic name, but he’s a nice looking guy.

How conservative does Walt Minnick sound according to himself? http://waltminnick.com/ He says he’s “Right for Idaho”, so he must be.

rootabaga on April 21, 2010 at 4:49 PM

Minnick can’t be that conservative: he’s a Democrat!
So, he’s actually “Left for Idaho.”
Betcha he’s got some Liberal views like pro-abortion and/or anti-2nd Amendment.
There’s a reason he’s not a Republican.
No Conservative worthy of the name would ever vote for Pelosi for SotH.

Jenfidel on April 21, 2010 at 10:06 PM

Minnick ran as a democrat because he knew that he was not conservative enough to win a republican primary in Idaho. Although I have not had disagreements with his voting record, I will not give him my vote because he joined himself with a party he does not agree with for the sake of taking advantage of anti-Bush sentiment last election.

spudmom on April 21, 2010 at 8:43 PM

Thanks for sharing, spudmom!
This sounds like the most accurate assessment of the situation I’ve heard on this thread all day.

Jenfidel on April 21, 2010 at 10:07 PM

Dude, you people have no clue about Idaho Republicans. They believe they are BETTER than the people that vote for them, and they let us know it. They do not need to listen to you, you need to listen to them. They do not need to follow the laws, they make the laws! And if you don’t like it, what are you going to do, vote Democrat? Come on, they say, this is Idaho. We own Idaho, and we own you. Guess what? That attitude caused a backlash, and defeating that form of government arrogance that has forgotten it serves the people is exactly what the Tea Party is about. So come up here and you will see, Minnick is way better than the other options. Minnick is the first Democrat I have ever voted for.

ASimpleDad

I live in Boise myself, and well we had Larry Craig, tap tap tap. I can think of more than a few Republicans who are less fiscally conservative than Minnick.

I would have no problem voting for Minnick too, and for those here who seem to think he is some closet liberal, a lot of the Dems here are really pissed at him for not being a liberal.

Minnick can’t be that conservative: he’s a Democrat!
So, he’s actually “Left for Idaho.”
Betcha he’s got some Liberal views like pro-abortion and/or anti-2nd Amendment.
There’s a reason he’s not a Republican.
No Conservative worthy of the name would ever vote for Pelosi for SotH.

Jenfidel

Social conservatives gave us Jimmy Carter, and he is probably the most socially conservative President we have ever had.

I can see why he had be a Dem in previous elections, the intermountain western states had been tending more Dem in the past years, partly from Californians moving inland, and partly as a reaction against evangelicals and mormons using politics as a vehicle for social change via bigger government.

Even California got behind Ronald Reagan and Gerald Ford, while conservatives got behind such jokes as Carter and LBJ.

Obama is doing his best to push traditional small government Republicans and libertarians into opposing Obama luckily. Western states have tilted against Obama faster than anyone else back when the GOP had been actually more for small government and conservatives voted Dem out of social values

firepilot on April 21, 2010 at 10:30 PM

I live in Boise myself, and well we had Larry Craig, tap tap tap.

Has Craig ever been found guilty of any actual misconduct, though?
And yet, he stepped down anyway.

I can think of more than a few Republicans who are less fiscally conservative than Minnick.

Like whom, for example?

Social conservatives gave us Jimmy Carter, and he is probably the most socially conservative President we have ever had.

Who cares whether or not he was a social conservative?!
He was a financial and foreign policy Liberal and a disaster for both!

evangelicals and mormons using politics as a vehicle for social change via bigger government.

I have no idea what you’re talking about here.
The Left/Democrats are the ones who’ve made Big Government bigger with their entitlement programs.

Even California got behind Ronald Reagan and Gerald Ford,

Reagan was a (very good) Governor of CA, while Gerald Ford lost his election bid.

while conservatives got behind such jokes as Carter and LBJ.

No Conservative with any sense would ever vote for Carter or LBJ.
LBJ, with his welfare programs, Great Society and Medicare, put the last pieces of Big, Huge Government in place after the fine start in that direction made by FDR.
The last good Democrat President was Harry Truman.

conservatives voted Dem out of social values

firepilot on April 21, 2010 at 10:30 PM

The last time Conservatives voted Dem out of social values was before Roe v. Wade passed.
Abortion has been the defining issue of the Democrat Party ever since.

Jenfidel on April 21, 2010 at 11:22 PM

Minnick beat Sali in 2008 by 4500 votes. Guess where those votes came from? That cesspool called Boise. Boise is to Idaho what Minnesota is to the United States.

Minnick has voted with the demratf**ks 70% of the time. It wont be too long before he’s another Stupak.

csdeven on April 22, 2010 at 5:25 AM

If the story that The tea Party Express endorsed a Democrat is true, they are either infiltrators, or screwed up big time.

Assuming A. that you wish to endorse financially conservative candidates, and B. that you can not find a suitable member of the GOP, find a third party candidate.

The only good democrat, is an unelected democrat.

Slowburn on April 22, 2010 at 8:44 AM

Idaho Tea Party is a good example of asslice whores. So this “Democrap Blue Ball” is their choice…yea…. they are all teabaggers…it’s why I have not joined…

charmingtail on April 22, 2010 at 12:42 PM

The Tea Party is not a third Party. It stands for specific ideals. Specifically, Stop Taxing U.S. into oblivion. Government personnel need to be responsible individuals, realize who they actually work for, and cease controlling and practice more cooperation with those who hired them.

Therefore, the Tea Party should support any political figure, from any party, that will support the Tea Party’s goals.

MSGTAS on April 23, 2010 at 11:15 AM

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