Clinton adviser: Reno had the goods on Clinton over Waco
posted at 1:36 pm on April 20, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
Bill Clinton has spent the last couple of days alleging that Tea Party protesters remind him of Timothy McVeigh, who killed over 160 people in the worst case of domestic terrorism on April 19th, 1995, in Oklahoma City. Dick Morris, a one-time political adviser to the former President turned opponent, tells Sean Hannity that Clinton may want to reflect on his own responsibilities for that attack. Morris says that Clinton personally told him that Janet Reno’s appointment to a second term as Attorney General was to keep her quiet about the Waco disaster in 1993 that McVeigh claimed as his inspiration (via Yid with Lid and HAP):
I find this less than compelling for a couple of reasons. First, Morris doesn’t have the best reputation for credibility, and this story relies entirely on his recollection. Morris doesn’t even know the “big secret.” Second, Clinton had already won the last election he would ever contest — so what was the danger in kicking Reno out?
Next, I’m not sure there really is much of a secret about the Waco raid and the dozens of people killed in it. Clearly the Clinton administration botched it, and Reno took the responsibility for the entire debacle shortly afterward. If it turned out that Clinton had personally ordered the final assault on the compound, it would have certainly put him in a bad political situation — but after the election, it wouldn’t have mattered anyway. Congress didn’t impeach Reno for it when she took the blame, and they wouldn’t have impeached Clinton for it either, although he did get impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice on an unrelated matter later.
Most importantly, though, I dislike the idea of giving McVeigh any credibility by suggesting that Clinton holds some responsibility for Oklahoma City by pushing McVeigh to violence. It’s as appalling as Clinton blaming Rush Limbaugh for the exact same thing, and it’s as objectionable as Clinton suggesting in a pre-emptive manner that Tea Parties will be responsible for any acts of violence later. That shifts the blame away from the individuals who commit terrorist acts and onto those who get victimized by them, at least indirectly. McVeigh is the one responsible for his actions, not Clinton or Reno, and that holds true for Osama bin Laden, Ted Kaczynski, and Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, too.









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Dick Morris is such an attention whore.
Ward Cleaver on April 20, 2010 at 1:39 PM
Clinton probably reappointed Jonathan Reno because he was afraid of going toe-to-toe with that dude. After what happened in Waco, would you mess with Johnny Reno?
Doughboy on April 20, 2010 at 1:39 PM
Wow, I actually believe it.
Clenis was slimy.
carbon_footprint on April 20, 2010 at 1:40 PM
Hillary’s political future?
mrsmwp on April 20, 2010 at 1:40 PM
SURPRISE!
“The New Hotair.com – whenever anything bad happens to democrats, ever, we’re the first to downplay it. Our side has the moral upper hand you see (and a superMINORITY in both houses of congress, but hey, who cares about winning elections?)”
I’m surprised you didnt lead with “Obligatory”
battleoflepanto1571 on April 20, 2010 at 1:41 PM
political legacy?
why did clinton ‘push for peace between jews and arabs’ all throughout 2000? dude was a legacy freak
battleoflepanto1571 on April 20, 2010 at 1:42 PM
Also, Obama’s people probably know the big secret which is why she didn’t press him on eligibility during the election. A type of political mutually-assured destruction.
mrsmwp on April 20, 2010 at 1:42 PM
What Reno REALLY had over Clinton was the sex tape they made. Blech.
(ok, not really)
search4truth on April 20, 2010 at 1:42 PM
As for McVeigh, he was a white supremacist dirtbag.
Ward Cleaver on April 20, 2010 at 1:42 PM
A Google search of ‘Mcveigh patsy’ brings over 20,000 hits.
fossten on April 20, 2010 at 1:43 PM
Morris has also stated that Clinton told Reno he would keep her as AG only if she promised not to name another special prosecutor. Otherwise, he’d replace her.
That seems to imply that he had more power over her than she did over him.
Yeah, this doesn’t pass the smell test.
SteveMG on April 20, 2010 at 1:43 PM
I think Morris, who is into tit-for-tat arguments, is doing that on purpose – to give Clinton some of his own medicine.
Vashta.Nerada on April 20, 2010 at 1:44 PM
Dick Morris sucking Reno’s toes. Let your mind bask in the imagery.
lorien1973 on April 20, 2010 at 1:45 PM
That would be AP’s responsibility.
Knucklehead on April 20, 2010 at 1:45 PM
But, and this has been forgotten over the years, McVeigh’s self-proclaimed actions were in DIRECT RESPONSE to Waco.
Skywise on April 20, 2010 at 1:46 PM
If it’s mutually assured destruction that means she has something on Obama. If that were the case I don’t see her sitting by and letting him become President and then accepting the Secretary of State gig.
jonknee on April 20, 2010 at 1:46 PM
He’s such a self-promoter with his books and website and always makes me think of the blurb on the TV the Simpsons were watching: “Some common everyday household products you may be using right now have recently been proven to cause instant death! We’ll tell you which ones on Kent Brockman’s segment tonight after the weather and sports.”
Marcus on April 20, 2010 at 1:47 PM
The big secret?
The US Government massacred American men, women, and children, over a $200 tax dispute.
Rebar on April 20, 2010 at 1:48 PM
I knew when I watched that segment last night that some conservative would just have to jump on it and criticize Morris. I just knew it.
And yes, my first guess was Ed Morrisey.
I’m sitting here saying “I told you so!” to myself.
Jaynie59 on April 20, 2010 at 1:48 PM
The thing is, is that if you can think of it, Bill Clinton is probably guilty of it.
Speakup on April 20, 2010 at 1:49 PM
Morris is a mixed bag.
saiga on April 20, 2010 at 1:49 PM
If you remember, the initial attack on the Branch Davidian compound was well recorded, and that’s because the media was all notified when to be ready to roll. It didn’t go quite as well as the feds planned, but the media was there to record their “triumphant victory,” had it happened on that first day. I don’t put it past Clinton that he was going to have a vivid example of what Christian conservatives were all about, or at least what their brand of politics would lead to, according to him.
RBMN on April 20, 2010 at 1:49 PM
Didn’t Billy punch Dick in the face during an argument once? Hillary had to smooth it over for Dick, telling him that Clenis really loved Dick?
I’m pretty sure I heard Dick recollect that altercation.
PappaMac on April 20, 2010 at 1:50 PM
I agree with all your points, Ed. But on the flip side what Morris said is quite serious, and in fact implicates him in terms of his own silence over the years. Why would he “wink-wink” an idea about Clinton having a hand in Waco, which if untrue would really ruin Morris (and rightfully so), while also painting himself in a really bad light by being silent about it for over a decade? Can all that be chalked up to wanting attention? Maybe, but you’ve got to be some kind of cynic to do so. But maybe he is, I don’t know.
Weight of Glory on April 20, 2010 at 1:50 PM
Yeah, she admitted it was her fault. I’m so glad, too. That made a world of difference.
Wouldn’t it be wonderful if those same standards applied to us? We could go out and kill 80 people and then say, “Oh, sorry, sorry, my bad. I accept full responsibility for it.” And that’s all we have to do. Then we just go on and live our lives as if nothing ever happened.
Daggett on April 20, 2010 at 1:51 PM
I’m sorry but I totally buy it. The Clinton administration was one big botched job. Hell, look at Morris. I enjoy him but look where he is now. Completely on the other side.
The bottom line is that Clinton should shut up and join Pee Wee Herman somewhere. Pointing to anyone else brings the spotlight right back on him.
ORconservative on April 20, 2010 at 1:51 PM
Clinton set the example that his ilk will shoot first and ask questions later when it comes to people they feel are right wing extremists. He projects the same paranoia with the Tea Party. He and his posse see them as a threat that might need to be dealt with using violence, so they must want to be violent as well.
Clinton and now Obama should never, ever been nominated sit in the Oval office by the Democratic party. They are both narcissist paranoids.
Hening on April 20, 2010 at 1:52 PM
Which is exactly why Clinton should be the last one to be making claims about others motivating McVeigh. And no, it should go without saying that there was no justification – and there never would be – whatsoever for that terrorist act in Oklahoma City.
Drained Brain on April 20, 2010 at 1:52 PM
Of course Clinton was in on the decision to send the tank to ram the Branch Davidian compound and gas the women and children.
flyfisher on April 20, 2010 at 1:52 PM
I don’t believe anything that Morris says, but I do enjoy hearing him strike back at the Clintons.
d1carter on April 20, 2010 at 1:54 PM
Janet’s thoughts on gun control:
“Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of firearms is the goal.” – Janet Reno, December 10, 1993 [Associated Press]
Johnnyreb on April 20, 2010 at 1:55 PM
Alas, sometimes the truth is appalling, Ed.
Knott Buyinit on April 20, 2010 at 1:56 PM
Care to give factual examples of this claim? Not saying you’re wrong, but I’ve found he’s been dead-on accurate more times than not.
Gregor on April 20, 2010 at 1:56 PM
I was wondering when y’all were gonna get on this subject.
I’m not all that surprised that Clinton’s role in Waco was more than was known when it happened.
Sekhmet on April 20, 2010 at 1:56 PM
So does anybody believe that Reno was free lancing, dozens got killed, and no one did anything?
May I interest you in a nice selection of cut-rate carbon credits, you seem so vulnerable, how about 10 the market rate, because soon they will cost so much more.
tarpon on April 20, 2010 at 1:56 PM
Yet they couldn’t pull the trigger on bin Laden.
thomasaur on April 20, 2010 at 1:57 PM
The first decision the feds made, not to take Koresh when he was out doing his errands, but rather turn his capture into some kind of big armed showdown, may’ve been Clinton’s call. And that is a decision worth hiding for years. That’s for sure.
RBMN on April 20, 2010 at 1:57 PM
I’m noticing a lot more of that, too. On this particular issue I agree with Ed’s last point, but there’s a lot of “to be fair…” stuff going on.
changer1701 on April 20, 2010 at 2:00 PM
Maybe not, but compared to BJ “I did not have sexual relations with that woman” Clinton? I think I’ll give Morris a pass.
mwdiver on April 20, 2010 at 2:00 PM
Looks like HA is trying to go all “Big Tent” on us, the people that made HA as popular as it is.
Nobody reads LGF anymore, wonder why?
John Deaux on April 20, 2010 at 2:01 PM
Clinton’s a rapist and a congenital liar. He doesn’t know that difference between the truth and the lies that float out of his mouth. So there’s no upside in making up weird conspiracy theories about him.
And yet … Dick Morris seems to make an entire living out of it. I wish he would stfu and go away. He has no credibility whatsoever.
Jaibones on April 20, 2010 at 2:01 PM
So now, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and the Tea Party are being compared to the Feds raiding a private compound and killing women and children?
Yet another conservative pundit going out of his way to be politically correct.
Gregor on April 20, 2010 at 2:02 PM
nope
thomasaur on April 20, 2010 at 2:03 PM
Just my point, mwdiver. Who needs the ethically challenged Dick Morris to tell us that Clinton is a lying scumbag. Thanks, but no thanks.
Jaibones on April 20, 2010 at 2:03 PM
I don’t believe a word this man says. He’s the person at the office water cooler whispering gossip for attention. He’s a creepy little man.
fastestslug on April 20, 2010 at 2:04 PM
http://www.amazon.com/Condi-vs-Hillary-Great-Presidential/dp/0060859849/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1271786644&sr=8-1
YYZ on April 20, 2010 at 2:04 PM
Maybe Dick Morris was watching to many re-runs of The X-Files, and got confused.
LincolntheHun on April 20, 2010 at 2:04 PM
You mean, sorta like you just did with Dick Morris?
Gregor on April 20, 2010 at 2:05 PM
Ed, do you honestly think it is responsible for Clinton to keep invoking violence when his administration attacked citizens on multiple occasion?
The people at Waco were nutjobs… but they didn’t deserve to be burned alive.
tetriskid on April 20, 2010 at 2:05 PM
So what?
YYZ on April 20, 2010 at 2:06 PM
From the Volokh Conspiracy via Instapundit this morning.
Apparently both Clinton and Reno thought that by shooting tear gas into the compound, knowing that there were only adult gasmasks inside, and none for the children and babies, would quickly force out the Branch Davidians.
Any harm to the children was, to Clinton and Reno, the parents’ fault for not coming out.
Wethal on April 20, 2010 at 2:07 PM
Someone way up the food chain made that decision. Clinton needed something to show he was tough on crime and this was taylor made if it went correctly. Unfortunately, innocent people died as a result of that decision and no one has been made to pay for it. Reno took the fall, but nothing really happened to her. IMO that means she has something on Clinton and I suspect it is the fact he made the call to do the seige of the compound and not snag him when he was out and about the few times the FBI saw him running errands.
Johnnyreb on April 20, 2010 at 2:07 PM
And I suspect that decision was based solely on the desire for a certain kind of photo op, one that wouldn’t be satisfied by the arrest of one man running errands in town.
mbs on April 20, 2010 at 2:08 PM
Seriously? Is that the best you can do? He made a prediction, based on the situation at the time, which I’d bet most people thought was pretty accurate. So because Condi embarrassed herself and ruined her reputation by dealing with the Palestinians, and Hillary was suddenly attacked by her once supporting media in favor of a Marxist, you’re saying he has no credibility?
That pretty much leaves everyone in the world with zero credibility, doesn’t it? I mean, who believed John McCain would win the Republican nomination? You?
Right.
Gregor on April 20, 2010 at 2:09 PM
The man from Hope.
labrat on April 20, 2010 at 2:09 PM
That sounds like there strategy for when life begins as well.
Hening on April 20, 2010 at 2:10 PM
I think the Clintons are setting up a “climate” so they can get rid of Obama and it will be blamed on the VRWC.
Just my take on Bill’s recent “raising his head” … oh, sorry.
stenwin77 on April 20, 2010 at 2:11 PM
If you haven’t see it – Waco, the rules of engagment:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4298137966377572665#
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1755692679103175934&hl=en&emb=1#
Rebar on April 20, 2010 at 2:11 PM
Umm, yes. Republicans usually nominate the “next one.” McCain had been the favorite for years.
YYZ on April 20, 2010 at 2:11 PM
It wasn’t so much the Waco massacre as the Ruby Ridge massacre, in August 1992. Which would preceded Janet Reno’s first appointment, in 1993, and would most likely have been related during Morris’s primary involvment in the Clinton administration during 1994-95.
In defense of Morris’s memory, though, I can really see how that whole period might seem like one big blood-splattered blur in retrospect.
logis on April 20, 2010 at 2:12 PM
You’re absolutely delusional.
Gregor on April 20, 2010 at 2:13 PM
I’m getting this from Media Matters, so feel free to disregard, but according to them, in his 2004 book, Morris speculated that this is the reason Clinton kept her on. He didn’t write that he had any specific knowledge.
From Dick Morris’ book (emphasis mine):
YYZ on April 20, 2010 at 2:17 PM
Morris is a mixed bag.
saiga on April 20, 2010 at 1:49 PM
—–
Just because a bag contains a mix of good (brown sugar, chocolate chips) and bad (effluent) doesn’t mean I want to try to figure out which is which.
Easiest to just flush the whole thing.
Mew
(and Morris is full of effluent)
acat on April 20, 2010 at 2:17 PM
I was just reading about Ruby Ridge. I’ll tell you what, Billy Jeff is making a tactical mistake using Timothy McVeigh for anything, unless he wants to start taking about Yousef whatever his name is and even that is a loser for Clinton.
What a moron. And Morris is useless unless he starts really getting dirty about the Clinton years. The fear the Dems have of the Tea Parties is really making all this rather explosive.
ORconservative on April 20, 2010 at 2:17 PM
What they’re doing is preparing for the “Coming Insurrection” that they know is on the way. When it happens, they’ll blame it on conservatives in an attempt to justify using force against those who are simply defending themselves.
Gregor on April 20, 2010 at 2:17 PM
Agreed, that summer McCain looked like he was done, his numbers bottomed out. No one predicted he’d bounce back to the extent of actually winning, I for one wrote him off.
Rebar on April 20, 2010 at 2:18 PM
Just to add some facts to back up how delusional you actually are, you must have missed the polling done in the year leading up to the primaries, which consistently showed McCain drawing around 3% of the Republican vote. But in your mind, he had been the favorite for years.
And you’re claiming Morris has no credibility?
Gregor on April 20, 2010 at 2:21 PM
Waco…what an appropriate topic now that revolt is being openly spoken of in some circles.
Dark-Star on April 20, 2010 at 2:22 PM
What this post tells me is that AllahP voted for Clinton, twice.
DaydreamBeliever on April 20, 2010 at 2:22 PM
Name one democrat that isn’t. I’ve wondered over the years why the dems keep picking improbable persons for their presidential candidacy and have conclude that they don’t have much to pick from.
docdave on April 20, 2010 at 2:22 PM
Yes the person who commits the act is responsible.
Morris is not dependable on everything. But I have found when he talks about the Clintons he is usually right.
Even if Clinton did give the final order that order was made on information he got and his best judgement at the time. I don’t believe that if he knew the outcome he would give it again.
Like the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq it is the price of leadership to sometimes be wrong.
I don’t know all that happened with WACO but all of it should have been handled better. And thinking about it I remember how sick I felt watching it.
petunia on April 20, 2010 at 2:23 PM
November 2006: http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/13863
YYZ on April 20, 2010 at 2:23 PM
Because Ed can’t see a connection, it doesn’t exist. It’s easier to claim the accuser has no credibility. Thanks for reminding me of your omniscience, Ed. I keep forgetting.
SKYFOX on April 20, 2010 at 2:23 PM
And within the first five comments, someone’s complaining that Hot Air isn’t a conservative water carrier.
It’s not as though this is new, and it’s not as though this started with Michelle selling the place. And it’s not as though Hot Air is the only one suspicious of Dick Morris.
Esthier on April 20, 2010 at 2:24 PM
Did anyone else watch the MSNBC special on McVeigh last night? It was abundantly clear that he wanted to bomb a federal building and kill lots of people because he believed that a “high body count” was the only thing that would get the government to end its war on the people which started with Waco. He stated repeatedly that Waco was the match that lit his fuse. I doubt seriously that Bill Clinton doesn’t know this. Without Waco, McVeigh was just a garden-variety Army washout loser with a bad case of PTSD. Waco turned him into a radical who felt justified in killing because he thought his government had become evil and must be stopped.
Of course, in Bill Clinton’s mind, the murders of 250 people in Waco and Oklahoma City were a small price to pay for his reelection. And I’m sure he would be happy to see more people die this year if he could pin it on the “right wing” and help Democrats in November and Obama in 2012.
And yes, I do mean that. Bill Clinton is a bad man. He has no moral compass whatsoever.
rockmom on April 20, 2010 at 2:24 PM
Hey…how about HA do a little investigation rather than go with emotions, PC crap, and recapping other blogs you agree with. It’s how you’ll stay relevant.
selias on April 20, 2010 at 2:25 PM
Man when will Dick “Suck My Toes” Morris go away.
You would think being an advisor to Obama’s genocidal cousin in Kenya would make plastic hair Hannity not want him on his show.
deadenders on April 20, 2010 at 2:25 PM
Ed’s analysis is a good one.
But I still love seeing Bubba’s tactics turned against him.
It’s long past time to be taking spitballs to knife fights.
notagool on April 20, 2010 at 2:25 PM
Not buying it.
My sources tell me Billy Jeff had the hots for her and couldn’t stand the thought of her leaving.
Muskrat love.
fogw on April 20, 2010 at 2:26 PM
Let me correct myself. This post tells me that Ed voted for Cinton, twice.
DaydreamBeliever on April 20, 2010 at 2:27 PM
I was a supporter of McCain in 2000. By 2008 I was not. And he was my Senator. I did not think he could handle the Presidency. I voted for McCain but I still have my doubts. That is why he lost.
I don’t have any doubt though that we would better off with McCain than Obama now. A senile old fool would be so much better than this.
petunia on April 20, 2010 at 2:28 PM
YYZ on April 20, 2010 at 2:23 PM
That was before he spent the next year flipping off conservatives and calling anyone who fought against amnesty a racist.
Up until the voting started, nobody had McCain winning the nomination. Nobody.
Gregor on April 20, 2010 at 2:35 PM
I take much of what Dick Morris claims with a skeptic’s grain of salt.
That said, however, Bill Clinton has not shown himself to be a person who accepts personal responsibility for his decisions or actions. Like ObaMao, he deflects attention away from himself and shifts suspicions elsewhere. Like ObaMao, too, he prefers to rewrite history for his own political purposes.
McVeigh was responsible for his own behaviors. Bill Clinton, likewise, was/is responsible for his own too.
onlineanalyst on April 20, 2010 at 2:35 PM
“Better off” is a relative term and the lesser of two evils is still evil. A dead sprint to statism is worse than a slow shuffle, but neither is good. I choose to abandon the sprinter and the shuffler and vote for something truly better.
SKYFOX on April 20, 2010 at 2:36 PM
Except McVeigh was punished. Bill C, not so much.
ORconservative on April 20, 2010 at 2:36 PM
Waco was Clinton getting tough on right wing gun-toting fundamentalist militia types, as raw material for the state-controlled media to do with what they saw fit. Oooops!
Obooba and the press go after Tea Partiers preemptively, making Waco comparisons, going so far as to enlist Slick Willy in their effort. I don’t wonder why.
I expect a lower level of competence from Teh One et al than we got from der Schlickmeister.
Akzed on April 20, 2010 at 2:37 PM
Whoa. To my knowledge, Hot Air has been a conservative site since its inception. Do you mean to tell me there was a time that bloggers here would have adopted the same morally bankrupt positions embraced by the left merely out of some misguided hope of levelling the playing field in their intellectually corrupt game, as you suggest they should again?
Since when has it ever been consistent with conservative ideology to 1) act like flaming hypocrites by engaging in the same ludicrously irrational blame game just to be able to pull off another amoral hit & run defamation as the leftists routinely do and 2) contending that individuals aren’t really responsible for their own actions & cannot be held solely culpable since miscreants are ‘just products of their environment’?
Gosh, I sure hope nobody decides to sacrifice allegiance to conservative principles in order to be more like the compulsively dishonest, cynically self-serving left like they used to around here. That is, if they ever actually did such a thing on “The Old HotAir.com”. ;-)
leilani on April 20, 2010 at 2:39 PM
Morris is a suspect source, way too self-serving. The allegations are worth airing, but let’s get some more substantive proof. Slick Willie will provide it by his words and actions, whether he realizes it or not, in due time.
either orr on April 20, 2010 at 2:47 PM
I’d say those two answers pretty well cover why Clinton would be worried about Reno talking.
I’ll go with Ed on this point, though: Morris has credibility problems in general.
But Clinton is still the unvarnished king of credibility issues. The fact that he’s peddling lies about the Tea Party being just like McVeigh and militias should remind everyone just how sleazy he still is. And it should also be reminder that he pulled that exact stunt after McVeigh bombed the Murrah building, but in that case he blamed it on talk radio and militias.
Clinton to this day is less credible than any 10 ordinary politicians. He makes Obama look like a paragon of virtue.
BTW, has there ever been a more hyped threat than the supposed militias? Did any militia group ever actually do anything to disturb the peace? But somehow they keep getting resurrected when the Left and sleazy former presidents need a bogeyman.
tom on April 20, 2010 at 2:47 PM
The most obvious examples being his deposition statement, “That depends on what the maning of ‘is’ is.”
Also his “I did not have “s@x” [as I define it} with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.”
Hair-splitting parsing of words to avoid any fualt.
Wethal on April 20, 2010 at 2:48 PM
Ed you mean that Clinton has more credibility than Morris..LOL.I really don\’t care, but I would believe Bin Laden before Clinton.
lilium on April 20, 2010 at 2:50 PM
This is possibly related:
LarryD on April 20, 2010 at 2:50 PM
Well, tom, they just arrested the miltia members in Michigan and Ohio (?). There obviously is a concentrated effort here to ramp up these home grown threats.
King of credibility (WJC) might be the wrong one to do it though.
ORconservative on April 20, 2010 at 2:50 PM
LarryD on April 20, 2010 at 2:50 PM
Well, to a democrat administration isn’t that just late term abortion, therefore legal?
ORconservative on April 20, 2010 at 2:52 PM
I wonder what President Condi has to say about all this…
It's Vintage, Duh on April 20, 2010 at 2:55 PM
Excellent analysis, Ed.
onetoomany on April 20, 2010 at 2:58 PM
Dickie was up to his eyebrows in that mess, so I’d bet on self-serving recall now.
mojo on April 20, 2010 at 2:59 PM
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