The Way to Argue About Taxes

posted at 3:38 pm on April 19, 2010 by J.E. Dyer

Doctor Zero, CK MacLeod, and Mark Steyn have all weighed in on the topic of income taxes, and with respect to their exceptional skills in argumentation and communication, I think they’ve all skirted the important issue.  There is an especially useful way to discuss income taxes – and taxes in general – and it’s to make these two points:

1.  Virtually all the tax-induced ills we suffer today were ushered in with the percentage-based, payroll-deducted income tax.

2.  What we pay for the cost of government – all taxes and regulation – is putting a substantial bite on our standard of living and economic prospects today.

The percentage-based income tax has been by far the greatest accelerator of big government in the United States.  This is because it guarantees government a vast steady income independent of the government’s policies or plans to spend the money.  Payroll deduction, meanwhile, makes employers the tax collectors, and eliminates key elements of the natural “friction” that used to attend the collection of taxes.  Your income taxes are collected from you without any exertion, decision, or conscious act of compliance on your part.  You don’t even have to go buy something, as you do to pay sales tax or property tax.  You just have to be doing what most people want to do anyway:  working for your daily bread and the roof over your head.

The percentage-based income tax is also the readiest conceivable source of economic invidiousness.  Its original institution was based on the argument that the richest 1% ought to have a special responsibility to subsidize the government that gave them law and order.  But the tax’s reach quickly spread to the entire working population, and we have been merrily bashing each other over the percentage by which people are taxed ever since.  It isn’t actually necessary to run things the way we do today; we’re not in a closed-loop system from which there can be no voluntary exit.  But the institution we have serves as a perpetual agitation machine, keeping us riled up against each other as if there is no alternative.

Leftists get agitated if Congress wants to lighten the load on higher-income taxpayers, who are the principal source of investment to create new business.  Rightists see systemic moral portents in the shifting of the federal tax load to higher-income earners, particularly when 47% of earners pay no federal income tax.  Some segments of the population figure single people without dependents should pay more of the taxes; the single filers themselves point out, with justification, that they use a lot less of the public services than family households do, and why should their tax load be effectively heavier?

Moreover, it becomes illegal to not report income to the government.  Think about that for a minute.  Why should it be?  Why should government, or you or I, know what anyone’s income is – other than the incomes of government employees?  What valid purpose of government is served by pursuing that information?  Can you see how the destructive political purposes of agitators are served by our current system, without achieving any legitimate goal of governance?  Consider that if government didn’t account for everyone’s income as if knowing it were a public entitlement, we would have a much harder time mentally classifying ourselves in the politically divisive manner we are now so accustomed to.

There is no option of finding the perfect, universally despised constituency on which to inflict all the taxes with minimum economic impact.  This is a fantasy people too often unconsciously harbor.  But there is an option of lightening the load on everyone by having the government spend, and regulate, less.  What government is spending that could and should be cut is a separate topic for another time.  The second main point above – that taxes, spending, and regulation are undermining our standard of living – is what I want to address here.

Average Americans, according to the Tax Foundation, worked to pay taxes to the government until 9 April this year.  That includes taxes of all kinds and at all levels.  But it’s also just an average.  Higher-income earners work for the government longer.

Furthermore, this calculation considers only outright taxes – additional, explicit levies – and not the costs of regulation that are incorporated in the prices we pay for goods and services.  So, for example, the Tax Foundation includes the federal and state gasoline taxes in its reckoning, but not the cost to the consumer of our national and state policies that prevent drilling, and refinery upgrades – measures that would increase the global supply of gasoline and push its price downward.  The tax calculation also doesn’t consider the cost of refining fuel to specific mixtures to meet local and seasonal emission mandates.  Spring is a time when gas prices always go up because refineries are shifting to seasonal (warm-weather) mixtures.

We may be all for these requirements because they help keep auto emissions under control, but being in favor of them doesn’t make them cost-free.  This rule applies to every kind of regulation, mandate, and entitlement.  Everything government taxes or regulates becomes more expensive.  Over time, new technology and economies of scale may counter the upward pressure of government intervention on prices, but government’s pressure is always upward.

Here is one way of looking at the concepts I’m talking about here.  There was a time, when I was on active duty, that I was paying as much in federal taxes (not state, just federal: FITW and FICA) as the amount of my mortgage payment each month.  This was the case for most of my last 10 years on active duty.  The state taxes and real property taxes were on top of that.  Then there were the 8% or so sales taxes, but also the fact that everything I bought was priced higher because of employer taxes and fees, employer mandates, worker entitlements, and a host of other federal and state regulations.  What this did in my life, as it does for all of us, is put a lower lid on what I could afford than my income by itself would have dictated.

That is inherently the effect of taxes and regulation, of course, and some of both are always necessary.  But a whole lot of people now can either save, or pay their rent and buy health insurance.  They can’t do both.  There are also a lot of people who can either pay rent or buy health insurance, but not both.  And the point to take away is that the constraint on them is not imposed by nature or uncontrollable circumstance:  it’s imposed largely by the actions of government.

This hits America’s younger workers the hardest, at least right now.  People in their 20s and early 30s are finding it harder and harder to live on their own, because the cost of living has been constrained to increase beyond their entry point.  We are rapidly reaching the point at which the weight of government on all of us is great enough to genuinely interfere with our options.  There are people today who, if they never get relief from the cost of government, may not be able to buy homes because they’ll never be able to save a downpayment.

This is emphatically not the same thing as people in a less-regulated, less-taxed economy going for a lifetime unable to purchase a home.  That condition wasn’t caused by government.  Today’s condition is.  That is the travesty of it.

Our level of social cooperation, professional differentiation, economies of scale, and enablement through technology has advanced to the point in 2010 that far more people today should be able to live with some level of ease on what they earn, and save and invest at the same time.  It takes considerably less human effort just to feed ourselves now than it took 100 years ago.  There is nothing wrong with expectations rising.  There is a great deal wrong, however, with government claiming first dibs on the product of our labor to the extent that we end up having substantially less than we are actually working for – particularly in terms of economic and financial choice.

If the average American hadn’t had to work until 9 April to pay taxes, he could afford to buy his own health insurance much better. Indeed, if government didn’t levy various constraints on health insurance, it would cost a lot less to begin with. More people would be able to stay in the homes that are being foreclosed, if every transaction we all concluded weren’t subject to both taxes and regulation.  More could have bought in the first place without being overextended.  More people would still have their jobs today.  Young people would have an easier time breaking into the work force.  More people would save more, if they started working for themselves earlier in the year.  Seriously, why should government make our labor worth less to us – arbitrarily – at the level of interference it has currently achieved?  Why should it go for more?

That is the way to talk about taxes.

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The percentage-based income tax has been by far the greatest accelerator of big government in the United States. This is because it guarantees government a vast steady income independent of the government’s policies or plans to spend the money.

Dude– I did not know this at all. Thanks so much for bringing this up and enlightening me.

ted c on April 19, 2010 at 3:41 PM

Too long…my eyes glazed over about half way through. And I’m an accountant.

ladyingray on April 19, 2010 at 3:42 PM

And here is the way an Obama supporter talks about taxes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRgB2eeHZEw&feature=player_embedded

Lockstein13 on April 19, 2010 at 3:43 PM

Really, the way to argue about taxes is to eliminate the automatic paycheck deductions and have the taxpayers actually write a check every month, quarter or year.

DaydreamBeliever on April 19, 2010 at 3:49 PM

Not too long. But longer than some could take I am sure. Very good points, cannot disagree with really anything.

I do have to admit that I had never thought about the angel of income reporting being used as a tool. I am all for the repeal of the 16th amendment, and now have one more reason for it.

Voidseeker on April 19, 2010 at 3:50 PM

I enjoyed the argument and learned some new stuff along the way!

search4truth on April 19, 2010 at 3:55 PM

The percentage-based income tax has been by far the greatest accelerator of big government in the United States. This is because it guarantees government a vast steady income independent of the government’s policies or plans to spend the money.

I’ve often wondered if we could get a redress of grievances by going into HR and claiming the number of dependents necessary to withhold zero $.

Speakup on April 19, 2010 at 3:56 PM

Thank you for the excellent post. We should be talking about taxation and government’s role in funding progrmas/interference with the free market and its impact on the country instead of the inevitable class envy/resentment that is impossible to avoid discussing it in other contexts.

DrAllecon on April 19, 2010 at 3:57 PM

I’ve always said that if people had to write a check weekly to Uncle Sam, our government would be nowhere near the size it is now. Out of sight, out of mind.

NYconservative on April 19, 2010 at 3:58 PM

very good post

james23 on April 19, 2010 at 3:59 PM

Really, the way to argue about taxes is to eliminate the automatic paycheck deductions and have the taxpayers actually write a check every month, quarter or year.

DaydreamBeliever on April 19, 2010 at 3:49 PM

Exactly right.

OhioCoastie on April 19, 2010 at 4:00 PM

The fact that 47% of Americans don’t pay income taxes isn’t a problem except when it comes to giving them “tax credits” as refunds for something they never paid in the first place.

If anything, we should be trying to raise the percentage of Americans who don’t pay taxes. You know, by cutting taxes and spending across the board. You’ll lower taxes on business and investment as well as on the little guy, and you’ll boost investment and job creation while doing it.

The last thing conservatives ought to be worried about is people not paying enough income tax.

Caiwyn on April 19, 2010 at 4:14 PM

There, fixed it:
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byteshredder on April 19, 2010 at 4:17 PM

I’ve always felt that a percentage-based income tax was unfair. Could any other service provider get away with a pricing scheme that was based upon the purchaser’s income? Imagine if the price of a gallon of gas depended upon how much your earned.
Everyone has access to the same level of government provided services (supposedly), so why shouldn’t the cost be the same for everyone? As it is, those who benefit the most pay the least.

dinobalz on April 19, 2010 at 4:17 PM

Really, the way to argue about taxes is to eliminate the automatic paycheck deductions and have the taxpayers actually write a check every month, quarter or year.

DaydreamBeliever on April 19, 2010 at 3:49 PM

No, because then we will have a bunch of people who actually RECEIVE checks from the government periodically, and a bunch who pay in nothing.

The only people that will be paying attention will be the ones that are paying attention now.

It’s amazing how many libtards I heard whining about ‘Tax cuts for the rich’ and how the poor and working poor were shouldering the burden for the evil rich, but now that Obama is “President” the meme has turned 180 and we should all be happy because the bottom 47% don’t pay any taxes.

cntrlfrk on April 19, 2010 at 4:24 PM

Could any other service provider get away with a pricing scheme that was based upon the purchaser’s income?
dinobalz on April 19, 2010 at 4:17 PM

No, they can’t, because it is the textbook definition of price discrimination, and is illegal for anyone in the private sector.

Vashta.Nerada on April 19, 2010 at 4:59 PM

In 1986, capital gains rates went up and revenue went down, way down.
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In 1990 income tax rates went up, caused a recession (Carville’s “worst economy in 50 years), tax revenue went down and enemployment comp outlays went up.
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I think I see a pattern here.
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It’s called the Lafer curve.
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High rates encourage avoidance.
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Tax rates should be set to optimize revenue.
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All it takes is a congress that’s not brain dead.
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esblowfeld on April 19, 2010 at 5:04 PM

I’ve often wondered if we could get a redress of grievances by going into HR and claiming the number of dependents necessary to withhold zero $.

Speakup on April 19, 2010 at 3:56 PM

You certainly can submit a W4 that would result in zero withholding. Come tax time when you *do* owe taxes, however, you’ll (I believe) also pay penalties and interest for not having been ‘paying’ (withholding) correctly.

I think.

Midas on April 19, 2010 at 5:06 PM

I agree, too long.

Basically the view points could be essenced down to which side you are on -

“Do you think the government provides good service to the people for the amount it charges?”

Sir Napsalot on April 19, 2010 at 5:07 PM

You are making it too complicated. The reality is everyone ends up paying the tax burden regardless of who Congress designates to collect the tax (aka high income earners).

The solution is simple.

Repeal and replace.

When the 16th amendment is repealed, it will be immediately replaced with a VAT of X%, with additional restrictions (like 3/4 majority vote) to raise the tax and/or to add exemptions of any sort. Any such changes shall be a individual bill of no more than 500 words without additional attachments, appendixes or pork.

drfredc on April 19, 2010 at 5:07 PM

Someone needs to make a paste-able Laffer curve in ascii!

Inanemergencydial on April 19, 2010 at 5:11 PM

There is an especially useful way to discuss income taxes – and taxes in general – and it’s to make these two points:

To me another point is far more important than those two put together.

The more money government gets, the more power they have and hence the less power the people have, and we become, more and more, a country of the rulers and the ruled. Have you ever seen a poor tyrant?

MB4 on April 19, 2010 at 5:35 PM

Actually, talking about income taxes is very important.

SSDI withholding pays for a service, those who get taxed for it have skin in the game and a reason to keep it solvent.

Social Security withholding taxes are the same thing.

Gas taxes pay for road construction.

Federal communications taxes pay for keeping our communications system up to the quality citizens demand.

All these taxes, while the money is fungible, serve the core reason they exist. Those who use the services pay for the services.

Income taxes covers everything else the government is doing and is the meat and potatoes part of the tax code. This pays for education take over, Welfare state, EPA, Military, Government Bureaucracy, IRS and so on. When 50% of the population does not have any skin in this part of the game, they have no incentive to request that these parts of the government are run well and efficiently and actually have a perverse reason for it to run poorly in order for them to get more money from those who work and earn it.

No amount of other taxes changes this in any way, and thus are just more progressive talking points, this author should move on over to move-on.org or the puffington host.

astonerii on April 19, 2010 at 5:47 PM

Everyone has access to the same level of government provided services (supposedly), so why shouldn’t the cost be the same for everyone? As it is, those who benefit the most pay the least.

There is an easy reason. The federal government’s job is to be the insurance for the nation. To protect and defend against enemies foreign and domestic. Thus, those who earn more, have more to lose, thus they pay more for that insurance.

The federal government is no longer doing the job it was appointed to accomplish. It has chosen to branch out into areas it does not have authority, and that is why there is a backlash against it. If it cost the country 25% of its earnings to insure against foreign and domestic threats against the people, people would pay that sum and most would be happy. We unfortunately are paying about 5% to 8% for the protection and are being surcharged an additional 18% in order to provide services we never contracted for.

astonerii on April 19, 2010 at 5:58 PM

Heh, I’ve come to the conclusion that repeal of the 16th Amendment needs to be considered, also.

But we should read it and understand the implications.

Which goes beyond just getting rid of the income tax and the IRS. When (if) the Left figures out all that’s at stake, they’ll fight to the death to preserve it.

LarryD on April 19, 2010 at 6:13 PM

STOP employer contributions (really the worker’s money) in deductions. People would revolt if they knew the horrors of Schedule SE. 15.3% for FICA and 2.9 (soon to be 3.9%) for a nice total of almost 20%.

jukin on April 19, 2010 at 6:19 PM

Government certainly delivers a few things we would be much the poorer without.

An Army and Navy for instance. Locally, roads, sidewalks and law enforcement.

But how many here feel more than a little unsettled to know that half the adults you see on your daily rounds are paying no taxes? Indeed, there is a very good chance they they are net takers of federal revenues (cash-wise).

Shouldn’t nearly all working adults contribute to the workings of our country? Even if it’s only a nominal, token sum?

Why should those who do pay be content with any less?

ElRonaldo on April 19, 2010 at 6:22 PM

MB4 on April 19, 2010 at 5:35 PM

Hey…the rulers need the money…jeez

jerrytbg on April 19, 2010 at 7:03 PM

SSDI withholding pays for a service, those who get taxed for it have skin in the game and a reason to keep it solvent.

Social Security withholding taxes are the same thing.

Gas taxes pay for road construction.

Federal communications taxes pay for keeping our communications system up to the quality citizens demand.
astonerii on April 19, 2010 at 5:47 PM

Your kidding right? withholding has been going to the Gen fund for decades, as has Gas taxes, I’m 46 I’ll never see a dime of my “skin in this game”, try again,
Bob

Bobnormal on April 19, 2010 at 7:38 PM

as has Gas taxes,
as have Gas taxes,whoops,
Bob

Bobnormal on April 19, 2010 at 7:39 PM

I have been self employed before (for about 15 years) and paid quarterly estimates and then paid the final amount. I was always incensed when I had to write the check. I’m now employed by a company, and am still unhappy about the amount withheld, but it isn’t that white hot anger that comes with taking money out of my own bank account and giving it to the government. A true tax revolt would be less than a year after stopping employer withholding.

Buford Gooch on April 19, 2010 at 8:40 PM

Repeal and Replace!

Flat Tax – no more than 10%

No employer withholding

No exemptions, exceptions, or deductions

Balanced Federal budget

Congress critters raises MUST be voted on by the citizenry, NOT CONGRESS

jackal40 on April 19, 2010 at 9:35 PM

I will keep my comment very short. But to the point.
Unchecked socialism, facism, and communism have decimated every country they have been tried in. Unchecked Capitolism? Not so much. Anyone care to prove me wrong?

MalkinFan on April 19, 2010 at 9:55 PM

No one who pays no income taxes should be allowed to vote. No one who works for the government should be allowed to vote. These are obvious comments. No non-immoral person questions them.

proconstitution on April 19, 2010 at 10:48 PM

I’ve often wondered if we could get a redress of grievances by going into HR and claiming the number of dependents necessary to withhold zero $.

Speakup on April 19, 2010 at 3:56 PM

You certainly can submit a W4 that would result in zero withholding. Come tax time when you *do* owe taxes, however, you’ll (I believe) also pay penalties and interest for not having been ‘paying’ (withholding) correctly.

I think.

Midas on April 19, 2010 at 5:06 PM

Midas is correct. In order to avoid a withholding penalty from the IRS, you need to meet one of these two criteria: 1) Either withhold 90% of the amount of total income tax due or 2)Withhold the amount that equals 100% of the income tax paid the previous year

mdenis39 on April 20, 2010 at 12:40 AM

The same thing has happen time and time again in history. The knowledge was always there. Government grows out of control, Tax consumers out number the Producers, Fiat money is feed into the system, large debt is incurred and the system collapses. ONE THINK IS DIFFERENT THIS TIME……. The internet has informed the masses what is happening. For once in history people have resource to know the truth and not be subject to the lies of the political players responsible for the collapse. Or the pervasive socialist media. Perhaps this time we can make a difference. Maybe this is what the tea party is about. Knowledge.

Ed Laskie on April 20, 2010 at 8:27 AM

Bobnormal, LarryD, Jukin, Buford Gooch, MalkinFan – You are SO right.

Proconstitution – Your system would set up “unintended consequences” and “perverse incentives”. Does that make me Un-non-immoral for questioning?

SnowSun on April 20, 2010 at 8:56 AM

The best argument I’ve used is one that takes the campaign finance issue and expands it to tax collection. Every election year (that sees the Republican winning, anyway) the issue of campaign contributions explodes. Folks are genuinely suspicious about what access to the candidtae those contributions buy.

So, then, doesn’t the fact that the wealthiest 1% pay 40% of all income taxes, which is 28% of all federal taxes, make them just a bit special in the eyes of a money-hungry government? Of course it does. How about corporations being credited with about 10% of the federal tab with the money we peons give them for goods and services? There are just a handful of corporations that pay the majority of corporate taxes, just as there is for income tax collection, and they drive regulatory capture.

It behooves the federal government that those people and corporations in the highest tax bracket make as much money as possible and thus maximize revenue, even at the expense of loss of income in the lower brackets that pay virtually no income taxes.

Progressive taxes steal proper representation from the majority and vests it in a minority of revenue uber-producers. It is they who provide the income that supports continued borrowing that adds to the insane national debt, so it is they whom government must show favor.

shuzilla on April 20, 2010 at 9:50 AM

We unfortunately are paying about 5% to 8% for the protection and are being surcharged an additional 18% in order to provide services we never contracted for.

astonerii on April 19, 2010 at 5:58 PM

I like the way you put this.
Bcs that’s how I see it.

Badger40 on April 20, 2010 at 11:31 AM