McCain: Sure, let’s let cops arrest people on suspicion of being illegals

posted at 7:50 pm on April 19, 2010 by Allahpundit

Is this actually winning him votes?

Sen. John McCain has endorsed a tough Arizona anti-immigration bill that will let police arrest people who aren’t carrying identification, the latest move in McCain’s rightward shift in advance of a tough Republican Senate primary this summer.

“I think it’s a very important step forward,” McCain said Monday. “I can fully understand why the legislature would want to act.”…

Under the Arizona law, which passed the state House last week and is expected to be signed by Gov. Jan Brewer (R), police can arrest anyone on “reasonable suspicion” that they are an illegal immigrant. If they’re not carrying a valid driver’s license or identity papers, police can arrest them…

“The lesson is clear: First we have to secure the border,” McCain said. “If you want to enact some other reforms, how can that be effective when you have a porous border?”

Is there a single Republican in Arizona to whom this pitch would otherwise appeal who believes it represents McCain’s true feelings? Is there a single one who thinks he’d vote in favor of a law like this once he’s been safely reelected? He’s been a senator for decades and a presidential nominee as recently as two years ago. His views on immigration have been, shall we say, thoroughly vetted. Reading stuff like this makes me more annoyed than I’d be if he simply resorted to his maverick-y ways and slammed the law for being “nativist” or whatever. I can tolerate a RINO, but I can’t tolerate a guy who’ll tell me whatever he thinks I want to hear to get reelected. The more he pulls this nonsense, the more I wonder: If the choice is between Hayworth and a McCain pretending to be Hayworth, why not vote for the authentic one? Points for honesty!

Let’s poll it.


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Wow, John, I thought you told us they were “God’s children” too …

This is real desperation on his part!

I can only guess at the reaction this is getting from the illegals…

Eren on April 19, 2010 at 10:54 PM

The man is becoming more unhinged with each news cycle that goes by. He desperately needs to retire, before he embarrasses himself any further.

manwithblackhat on April 19, 2010 at 11:04 PM

Toss a coin 50 times you still won’t be the flipper McCain is.

Speakup on April 19, 2010 at 11:54 PM

I predict a backfire for McCain because of his support of it.

farright on April 19, 2010 at 8:23 PM

You’re right. The illegals won’t be voting for him anymore.

Of course most of them didn’t anyway, they mostly vote Democrat.

Shay on April 20, 2010 at 12:00 AM

McCain should exit the national stage graciously. We all loved when Bob Dole did it.

Mojave Mark on April 20, 2010 at 12:05 AM

Well, I hope you’re not expecting a fiscal conservative out of JD.

Scrappy on April 19, 2010 at 8:31 PM

I’m pretty sure JD got the message, and he’s always been more conservative than McCain. For almost 30 years McCain’s had no interest in the message, any message coming from us, because he’s always known better. Now to see him trying to make up for it, well, it’s pathetic but nothing could have made me vote for him again.

sloopy on April 20, 2010 at 12:12 AM

Make up your mind there Maverick Seantor John. And please don’t be so stomach-turningly hypocritical just because you need us now.

Mr. Grump on April 20, 2010 at 12:18 AM

When thinking of McCain, just remember the Tale of the Scorpion.

MB4 on April 20, 2010 at 1:47 AM

Time for the voters of AZ to retire this sad sack

Gohawgs on April 20, 2010 at 2:52 AM

Eh, Massingel or Summer’s Eve. Their both douches, except neither of them get rid of that “not so fresh” feeling.

donkichi on April 20, 2010 at 5:41 AM

At this rate, by October, he should be calling Obama “Barack Hussein Obama”.

RMR on April 20, 2010 at 7:17 AM

McCain’s talking like a Conservative! Hmmm, must be time for his election-year temporary metamorphasis.

nraendowment on April 20, 2010 at 9:21 AM

Wow. Hmmmmmm.

Wow.

(That was my exact response.)

xax on April 20, 2010 at 10:18 AM

I have no problem with racial profiling whatsoever. If you are a legal Mexican, you should be eager to do your part to help solve the problem.

Racial profiling is the only logical approach. If you are looking for dangerous imported fish, checking mice won’t get you anywhere. Profiling fish is the most effective approach.

saiga on April 20, 2010 at 10:44 AM

State Senate sent the enforcement bill to Gov Brewer yesterday! she needs to sign it by Sunday and then it is law :0)

ginaswo on April 20, 2010 at 10:53 AM

Arrest Zeituni, Mav? Really? Where was this during ’08?

Christien on April 20, 2010 at 11:00 AM

I feel nothing but sympathy for the people of AZ trying to figure out where John McCain stands on the issues.

He gave me enough of a headache on that score in 2008. No thanks!
Between J.D. and McVain, let the best man win!

Jenfidel on April 20, 2010 at 11:22 AM

Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. Now “conservatives” are endorsing a police state where you can be stopped because a cop “suspects” you may not be a legal resident. Of course, this law will be challenged in court. I wish they didn’t so that the supporters of this law can see their prescriptions at work. There will be lawsuit after lawsuit from legal residents wrongfully stopped.

Chekote on April 20, 2010 at 11:34 AM

Is there a single Republican in Arizona to whom this pitch would otherwise appeal who believes it represents McCain’s true feelings? Is there a single one who thinks he’d vote in favor of a law like this once he’s been safely reelected? He’s been a senator for decades and a presidential nominee as recently as two years ago. His views on immigration have been, shall we say, thoroughly vetted. Reading stuff like this makes me more annoyed than I’d be if he simply resorted to his maverick-y ways and slammed the law for being “nativist” or whatever. I can tolerate a RINO, but I can’t tolerate a guy who’ll tell me whatever he thinks I want to hear to get reelected. The more he pulls this nonsense, the more I wonder: If the choice is between Hayworth and a McCain pretending to be Hayworth, why not vote for the authentic one? Points for honesty!

You’re right AP. I think this tack to the hard right may backfire on McCain because it is so hypocritical. It just isn’t him, so he’s putting a spotlight on dishonesty.

DFCtomm on April 20, 2010 at 12:11 PM

Isn’t it strange that the dems defeated their recent V.P. candidate in the next election (Lieberman) and now the GOP is doing the same to its last presidential candidate.

I think it is time for the parties to shed any notion of “regionalism” and simply be ideological. It makes no real sense for someone to be a “conservative democrat” or a “liberal republican” in today’s world. McCain is basically an old school liberal republican.

Monkeytoe on April 20, 2010 at 12:16 PM

Are we advocating that the last name or the racial makeup of a citizen is a reason for heightened police scrutiny?

Is this where the Tea Party Movement and the conservatives are making their stand – is this the new frontier? suspicion by heritage?

EricPWJohnson on April 20, 2010 at 12:20 PM

I am one Arizona resident that will not believe a word out of that man’s mouth! I really believe he would say and do anything to stay in office. The man is a loose cannon and it’s time for him to ride off into the sunset. Adios John, November is just around the corner.
One disgusted Arizonan

Dave M on April 20, 2010 at 12:38 PM

this is a good guy

cmsinaz on April 20, 2010 at 1:42 PM

I don’t think it is just a question of tacking right, I think the drug cartels down there are making the use of force more likely and more necessary. It is one thing to use the cops to go after roofers and lettuce pickers, but drug cartels and the nastiness that comes with them is something else entirely.

How will Arizonans see it? I don’t know, they made Obama’s Homeland Secretary Governor not all that long ago, so who knows?

Terrye on April 20, 2010 at 3:05 PM

Now “conservatives” are endorsing a police state where you can be stopped because a cop “suspects” you may not be a legal resident.

+1000

Some conservatives love big intrusive government when it’s intrusively reinforcing their stereotypes.

Grow Fins on April 20, 2010 at 3:10 PM

Are we advocating that the last name or the racial makeup of a citizen is a reason for heightened police scrutiny?

EricPWJohnson on April 20, 2010 at 12:20 PM

No. The law requires reasonable suspicion. A hispanic name or appearance alone, without suspicious behavior, is clearly not enough to give an officer reasonable suspicion that a person is an illegal alien.

As for heightened police scrutiny of hispanics, the fact is that the majority of the illegal aliens in this country are hispanics, and the majority of the illegal aliens in AZ are Mexicans. Are we supposed to ignore that fact for fear that we may offend law-abiding hispanics? Isn’t that the same type of PC nonsense that we have lamented about in relation to Muslim terrorists? We’ve been frisking kids and little old white-haired grannies in airports and ignoring the Middle Eastern guys in turbans because we don’t want to be accused of profiling. Never mind that the only people who’ve been trying to blow up planes have been the Middle Eastern guys; acknowledging that fact and subjecting them to heightened scrutiny might hurt somebody’s feelings.

We need to face facts. We’ve got a serious problem on our southern border, and it’s getting worse every day. Our federal government refuses to perform its Constitutional duty to protect our border. AZ citizens are bearing the brunt of this failure, and we’ve had enough.

AZCoyote on April 20, 2010 at 4:12 PM

All the bill does is give the officer the right to ask if the person he stopped FOR AN INFRACTION OF THE LAW is a citizen, and if not does he have a green card. No where in the bill does it give ANYONE the right to stop a person because he’s Hispanic. The laws of most parts of Arizona FORBIDS an officer to ask for citizen ship. This law takes away the forbidding to ask part, and also makes it illegal to say you are a sanctuary city, for any reason. People we have been playing with our hands tied behind our backs long enough. If you break the law and are stopped, you now better damn well be a citizen. It also forbids Illegals to congregate at places like Walmart in hopes of getting hired for day labor illegally.

jainphx on April 20, 2010 at 5:47 PM

Last vote given to McCain he chose to squander during the potus run.

maverick muse on April 20, 2010 at 5:51 PM

McCain and others at the press conference said that more than half of the 1 million illegal aliens apprehended in the U.S. last year were arrested in Arizona and that 17 percent of those are known to have criminal records in the United States.

Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu says violence in Arizona by criminal illegal aliens has reached “epidemic proportions. If you come into America and you’re here illegally, guess what? There is no catch and release. You should be detained for 14 to 21 days and then formally deported,” Babeu said of Operation Streamline. “You come back, guess what? You’re going to prison. That’s what we’ve got to do,” Babeu said. “Folks, your cops, your sheriffs cannot do this alone,” Babeu said. “We’re doing our best and we’re overwhelmed. We’re stressed and things are out of control. We need the help of troops that are deployed along the border, additional resources for our border patrol and a zero tolerance policy.”

Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever said he believes the porous southern border is not only dangerous to Arizona but to the entire nation, since terrorists could slip through just as easily as drug dealers. “To me, therein lies the real threat to our homeland security,” Dever said.

The Arizona Legislature sent a tough new immigration bill to Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer. It is championed as a law-and-order measure by its supporters, would make it a misdemeanor to be in the state illegally, and it would require police to question people about their immigration status if there’s reason to suspect they’re in the country illegally.

maverick muse on April 20, 2010 at 5:54 PM

Now “conservatives” are endorsing a police state

No, Mildred, enforcing the immigration laws does not create a police state, that is ridiculous on its face.

Thanks though.

rightwingyahooo on April 20, 2010 at 6:40 PM

The Arizona law is ill-conceived. Not enforcing immigration laws is a federal responsibility.

kd6rxl on April 20, 2010 at 8:53 PM

kd6rxl on April 20, 2010 at 8:53 PM said:

“The Arizona law is ill-conceived. Not enforcing immigration laws is a federal responsibility.”

LOL! That sums up the New York Slimes, editorial.

shorebird on April 21, 2010 at 2:12 AM

McCain had a chance to do something productive at the table with B.O. and acted like a total ass. No more McCain please. Palin may also need to be set aside, for later. The last plan didnt work, please dont repeat a failure.

johnnyU on April 21, 2010 at 4:45 AM

I am not voting in the poll because none of the answers fit. I think that McCain should be given credit for moving to a tougher border security position in repsonse to the facts on the ground.

No, Allahpundit (and like minded posters), this is not the result of J.D. Hayworth. John McCain would be saying the same thing about sending the National Guard to defend the Southwest U.S. border if J.D. Hayworth had decided to spend 2010 in Tahiti drinking Mohitos.

John McCain is an expert in foreign policy, military matters and national security; and McCain knows well that the narco-terrorism and lawless behavior going on in northern Mexico is a serious national security threat to the United States. Further, John McCain got the message on immigration years ago that law enforcement must come first, saying that the current problem stems from the failure of the law enforcement provisions in the Reagan-era immigration reform bill to be enforced. So John McCain would be saying that we need to send the National Guard to the Southwest U.S. border with or without a primary challenger.

Nor has J.D. Hayworth prompted John McCain to be voting conservative in the Senate. McCain’s votes against Obama’s multi-trillion dollar deficit spending and bailouts are exactly what you expect McCain, who has always been a fiscal tightwad, to do. (In contrast, J.D. likes earmarked spending.) McCain’s staunch opposition to ObamaCare also reflected McCain’s historical fiscal conservatism as well as the fact that in the 2008 Presidential race, he had the most free market oriented approach to health care of all the candidates in either party. McCain’s vote against Sotomayer to the U.S. Supreme Court is matched by McCain’s vote against Sotomayer in 1998 to the U.S. Court of Appeals. McCain’s vote against radical pro-abortion Sibellius reflected his life long pro-life position.

It is, however, more than just mistaken what Allahpundit has posted here and what is also being said by some conservatives. For a number of reasons, it is counterproductive. First, McCain has been an effective voice against Obama, but that voice has been undercut because leftists can and have been saying that it is just because of a primary challenge citing to what some conservatives say. Second, saying that McCain has voted the way he has because of a primary challenger deflects attention away from the fact that Obama has a radical left agenda, and McCain’s votes were principled responses to Obama’s left wing agenda.

Phil Byler on April 21, 2010 at 7:43 AM

majority of the illegal aliens in this country are hispanics, and the majority of the illegal aliens in AZ are Mexicans. Are we supposed to ignore that fact for fear that we may offend law-abiding hispanics?
AZCoyote on April 20, 2010 at 4:12 PM

Well 29% of people living in AZ are Hispanic. Thats a lot of suspects. Let me take a wild guess… Your not Hispanic..

Ed Laskie on April 21, 2010 at 11:06 AM

Speculation only— What if Mexican American war extended all the way to Panama. Including Costa Rica, Belize, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, and Nicaragua. Would be lot less boarder and now they want to be American Citizens anyway. Just saying…

Ed Laskie on April 21, 2010 at 11:19 AM

Real problem is Drug War and no Guest Worker Visa program.
We would have a lot less to worry about and a lot fewer people to stop crossing boarder illegally, who then would be very likely to be a terrorist. Prohibition is causing the violence and crime wars, we need the migrant workers who give us affordable food. Both issues are the Big Elephant in the room no one sees.

Ed Laskie on April 21, 2010 at 11:29 AM

If the choice is between Hayworth and a McCain pretending to be Hayworth, why not vote for the authentic one? Points for honesty!

damn well said

i’m an AZ voter and a month ago, i was planning to hold my nose and vote for mr maverick.

today, i’m thinking seriously about kicking him to the curb. his tack to the right is so transparent that it’s reminding me of all the reasons i’ve despised him for years.

time for another look at jd.

DrW on April 21, 2010 at 1:00 PM

McCain will run indie when Hayworth defeats him.

People need to get McCain on record that he WILL support Hayworth if he loses.

Spathi on April 21, 2010 at 2:05 PM

Mccain is a RINO,
Remember in November, cull the herd,
we dine on RINO before the 2012 Elections.

ColdWarrior57 on April 21, 2010 at 3:04 PM

Real problem is Drug War and no Guest Worker Visa program.
We would have a lot less to worry about and a lot fewer people to stop crossing boarder illegally, who then would be very likely to be a terrorist. Prohibition is causing the violence and crime wars, we need the migrant workers who give us affordable food. Both issues are the Big Elephant in the room no one sees.

Ed Laskie on April 21, 2010 at 11:29 AM

I have no problem with a seasonal guest worker program but the last thing we need are (realistically 20 million +) immigrants sapping our social services. More importantly, we need to put our beloved welfared citizens to work. btw I’m willing to pay more for produce if it means we’re on a solution based path to getting our country fixed.
Prohibition- totally agree with you there.

whiskeytango on April 21, 2010 at 9:51 PM

A cop will still have to have at least reasonable suspicion to contact people folks!

tx2654 on April 21, 2010 at 11:51 PM

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