Jessica Valenti: College is totally worth killing babies over

posted at 9:10 am on April 17, 2010 by Cassy Fiano

Wednesday, Lori Ziganto (one of my favorite bloggers) wrote a brilliant piece in response to an article Jessica Valenti wrote on Feministing. Another Feministing author, Lori, had heard about the ad campaign called “Abortion Changes You” last month that was putting ads on the New York subway.

Here is what the ad looks like:

Considering feminists cannot abide anything that might paint abortion in a negative light, this made Lori VERY angry. She explained that somehow, this ignores the experiences and reactions women have had with and from abortion.

I’m all for validating and honoring the experience of women who have had an abortion. But there are already TONS of really great support systems for women who have had abortions that are equipped to address a RANGE of post-abortion emotions and outcomes- glee, relief, guilt, sadness, loss, pride, no reaction at all, or a million other possibilities. When an ad campaign chooses to ignore these very real experiences of women who have had abortions, you have to assume that they have an agenda other than helping real women.

Perhaps Lori was blinded by her “ZOMG SOMEONE IS ATTACKING ABORTION YEAAAAARRRGHHHHH!” rage, but the whole point of this ad campaign is to point out how abortion can affect a woman. I know — all things negative relating to abortion must be kept super-secret. But here in the real world, when it comes to medical procedures, most normal women like to know exactly what will be done to them and what the possible risks and repercussions could be. Normal women, even pro-abortion women, don’t see abortion as something to be taken lightly. They don’t look at it the way radical feminists do. Impossible for feminists to understand, I know.

Well, this week, Jessica found out that someone had committed vandalism and defaced the ad. Of course, this just made her day.

Here is what it looked like after it was defaced:

Jessica’s response was to call the vandal a “pro-choice hero” and “Love. It.”

And this is where Lori got involved. She wrote a great post about the whole controversy.

A very mild ad, indeed. And an accurate one; abortion does change you. While feminists sneer at the idea of post-abortion syndrome, it does exist. And if they actually cared about women, they’d admit that fact and would stop encouraging women to have abortions without disclosing the trauma that can occur to the woman.

It’s clear that they don’t care about the dead babies, but they also need to stop insisting that they are For Women ™ , when they most obviously are not. You see, feminists, an unborn baby is not just a clump of cells. Many women who abort their babies, therefore, suffer intense pain and immense guilt. Their entire lives.

They may just be nutty wing nuts to you, but they are real people with true feelings. Because you do nothing but sneer at those feelings, in fact lie about their very existence, your For The Women card is hereby pulled. You are more concerned with one Supreme Court case, that you constantly use as a wedge and a pawn, than you are with actual women.

Jessica has now responded by attacking Lori Ziganto. And while I’m sure she and her fellow feminist zombies thought their responses were just so super intelligent and better than Lori’s post, all they really did was prove Lori’s point.

Going to college is a matter of “convenience”? Really? Women want higher education for “co-ed fun”?

I always wondered what anti-choicers meant when they said women get abortions “for convenience.” Did they think that women were procuring lunchtime abortions so they could go out and booze it up that night? That women didn’t feel like gaining weight and that ending the pregnancy would be so much easier? I figured that they had this bizarre fictitious woman in their minds and that they didn’t recognize the complex, personal, and often selfless reasons women decide to get abortions. But I was wrong.

It isn’t that anti-choicers don’t understand why women get abortions – it’s that they care so little about women’s lives that any reason given to obtain an abortion is seen as “convenient.”

Some things that are convenient: Providing for your existing children. Going to college. Having enough money to eat, pay rent, keep the electricity on. Not dying.

So yeah, I guess I would “rejoice” over women obtaining abortions when it’s convenient. (The inaccessibility of abortion for too many women makes actual rejoicing impossible.) Whether it’s for health, financial, and educational reasons – or simply not wanting to have a child yet – it would absolutely thrill me if women’s life decisions were respected, accepted and supported. But instead, we live in a world where a woman’s desire for something as basic as education is mocked as selfish. And we’re the ones who are “anti-woman”? I think not.

Reproductive health and justice is one of my strongest passions (I work with Planned Parenthood). When people try to block abortion access, I start crying and it’s hard for me to stop. I am still shocked at the huge disregard anti-choicers have for womens lives. They really do have no regard for human life, because, guess what? women are human. This: “Some things that are convenient: Providing for your existing children. Going to college. Having enough money to eat, pay rent, keep the electricity on. Not dying.” made me tear up. And honestly, if I were to become pregnant right now, I would get an abortion because I need to finish college and have enough money to eat, pay rent, and keep the electricity on. I am also bipolar, and I would have to stop taking my medication if I were to have a baby, which would be downright dangerous. Thanks for the post, Jessica.

But the point is that 4 years of college means a completely different life than a life w/o 4 years of college and anyone who doesn’t recognize that is either living in a dreamworld or is being deliberately obtuse. There is nothing “everyday” about going to college – it’s an incredible privilege that changes people’s lives.

And here we go, with feminists making women perpetual victims yet again, rather than empowering them. Jessica and her fellow zombies cannot seem to wrap their minds around the idea of a woman having a child and going to college at the same time. I know, I know — insanity, right? But somehow, my mother was able to work full-time, raise two children, have a loving marriage, and get her college degree. Somehow, several of my friends are raising children and getting their degrees. Where are the feminists encouraging women to do both? Heck, they don’t even have to raise the baby. There’s always adoption, the option that you’ll never hear someone like Jessica Valenti champion. If the college-aged girl wasn’t ready for a kid, all she’d have to do was carry the baby for nine months while she went to school and then she could help a couple who can’t have children make a family. But if a girl gets pregnant and it’s “inconvenient”, all feminists like Jessica Valenti can do is scream at the girl to HAVE AN ABORTION! HAVE AN ABORTION! Sometimes, you don’t get pregnant at a convenient time. I get that. It doesn’t mean that you have to choose between going to college or having a baby. But that’s the only option given to women if they listen to feminists. They have to choose either college or their child, because presumably, having a child at an inconvenient time would be the WORST THING EVER!!!

Look, I know all about not wanting to have a baby at a certain time. I’m engaged, but my fiance is a Marine with an upcoming deployment. If I got pregnant now, the baby would be born while Matt was in Afghanistan. I do not want to go through a pregnancy by myself, and I do not want Matt to miss the birth of his first child. I don’t want him to come home to the son or daughter he’s never met. We also don’t have a lot of money to be raising a child right now. A baby just is not in our plans at the moment.

But it could happen. And if it did, you can bet your ass that abortion would never be an option for us. We would find a way to make it work. Why do feminists never present that as a viable option for women?

It’s like they practically salivate over the thought of another woman getting an abortion. I don’t know why, but it’s sickening how much feminists try to actively convince women to have abortions. And of course, never mentioned is the option of not getting pregnant if you absolutely cannot handle a baby at the moment. There’s birth control, and if you can’t afford that, the solution is simple: don’t have sex. But of course, telling a feminist that women shouldn’t have sex if they aren’t ready for a baby might make their head explode. I mean, really, dare you tell women that they should keep their legs shut if they aren’t ready to get pregnant?! Believe it or not, there is an element of personal responsibility at play here. The whole feminist philosophy is disgusting. They tell women to sleep around like men do. When women then get unintentionally pregnant (usually while unmarried), they tell the women to just kill the damn burden growing inside of you and throw it out like refuse. And NO, don’t you dare do any research about abortion, what your baby looks like, or the effect having an abortion can have on you. Just kill the damn thing and get back to your Womyn’s Studies classes because college is the MOST. IMPORTANT. THING. EVER! And no, you cannot do both, you must choose between being a pregnant, barefoot housewife in a kitchen or being a smart, single, feminist womyn with a degree in Gender Studies. If you have the baby you are contributing to the partiarchy! And you will be a victim! Do what we say! Don’t think for yourself!

It’s sickening, truly sickening.

All of this just goes to show how far feminism has fallen. Feminists were once made up of smart, strong women (who, incidentally, despised abortion and rightfully saw it as evil) who were fighting for real gender equality — the right to vote, to get an education.

Now, feminists crusade for abortion. It’s their number one cause. And they don’t even want women to be informed. They don’t want women seeing ultrasounds first because they know it’ll influence them to have the baby. They don’t want women learning that abortion can have devastating physical and emotional repercussions. They don’t want abortion to be “safe, legal, and rare”. Lori’s post showcased another example of a feminist accidentally exposing that trust, and it pissed Jessica Valenti off. Feminists don’t want women to be able to choose what’s best for them; they want women choosing abortion. I can only assume it’s because if women stop choosing abortion, then feminists will lose their last grip on relevance in today’s society. Getting the truth out about abortion and its possible effects, as the “Abortion Changes You” campaign does, terrifies and angers feminists.

It’s pathetic and disgusting, that someone would actually encourage abortion — the murder of the unborn — solely to help maintain their own grip on power and relevance in the world. Anything that harms the pro-abortion movement really is just harming modern feminism. And this ad is just another crack in the feminist “we help womyn” facade.

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I just think you ones should keep your fetus dealio away from Team R…

It’s just so trashy.

happyfeet on April 17, 2010 at 11:26 PM

If Team R can’t stand for freedom than our little country’s good as sunk.

I have my money on sunk.

happyfeet on April 17, 2010 at 11:28 PM

Jessica Valenti: College is totally worth killing babies over

My wife and I are thankful the birth mother of our oldest son does not share the same sentiment as Jessica Valenti.

The birth mother was attending college. Selflessly, she chose to place her child in adoption.

Jessica Valenti lists reasons she believes abortion is unrelated to the mother’s convenience.

Yet, the reasons she lists, with the exception of health, actually support the assertion abortions for these reasons are related to the mother’s convenience.

Abortion is the permanent, irreversible, elimination of all potential choices, of the child, via death.

The child would not choose death.

rukiddingme on April 17, 2010 at 11:35 PM

PrincipledPilgrim on April 17, 2010 at 12:16 PM

My personal experience refutes all your points.

Ridiculous is a perfect description of open adoptions.
Chekote on April 17, 2010 at 12:40 PM

Your statement is ridiculous.

Explain to me how the open adoption, of both my children, is perfectly described as ridiculous?

rukiddingme on April 17, 2010 at 11:40 PM

Explain to me how the open adoption, of both my children, is perfectly described as ridiculous?

rukiddingme on April 17, 2010 at 11:40 PM

It’s nice that you have made open adoption work for both of you. Two of my children are adopted(now grown)and I have often been in the company of parents who have widely varying experiences with this kind of arrangement. I am quite certain it would never have worked for me though.

jeanie on April 17, 2010 at 11:58 PM

Ed, please import original comments when you upgrade.

Connie on April 18, 2010 at 12:05 AM

I’ve become aware I have a paradoxical and problematic view of abortion. Women who do that to themselves and their offspring seem so heartless, I’m sometimes relieved they’re eradicating their own families. I’m pretty sure I don’t want heartless b1tches leaving heartless offspring in the next generation.

Kralizec on April 18, 2010 at 12:16 AM

I went back to school full time with 4 children. One was adopted. I finished my degree while still in my twenties… with four children.

I was married and my husband was absolutely supportive and helpful as he always is. We lived a continent away from any family.

Women make excuses why they can’t do things.

If you have a strong enough desire you make it happen.

The one key… choose the right man and get married first before sex.

Sex is a powerful thing, treat sex with the respect it demands. Your life will turn out. Treat it like a toy and your life is hell.

petunia on April 18, 2010 at 1:36 AM

Having A eugenist as founder of PP has no relevance now? According to their own research, 80 percent (at least) of PP clinics are in minority neighborhoods. The UN is involved in forced sterilizations and abortions. Not a coinicidence.

quiz1 on April 18, 2010 at 1:51 AM

Adoption. Please.

LEBA on April 17, 2010 at 12:39 PM

Except Adoption is never an option that they consider.
Through dependent tax-free housing allowances, food stamps, EITC, WIC, etc, there is a financial incentive to play house on Uncle Sam’s dime without the required emotional and life skills necessary.

The few that do make it are the exception, not the rule.

Like I said, it’s a perverse incentive system that rewards irresponsible behavior, since especially in the military, there is this belief that the command should always be there to backstop them.

I don’t agree with people having children who aren’t prepared for them. It only further perpetuates the cycle of abuse and dysfunctional families.

YTZGal on April 18, 2010 at 10:18 AM

Having A eugenist as founder of PP has no relevance now? According to their own research, 80 percent (at least) of PP clinics are in minority neighborhoods. The UN is involved in forced sterilizations and abortions. Not a coincidence.

quiz1 on April 18, 2010 at 1:51 AM

This college girl, thinks she chose “thriving” over “surviving” the cost was just one human life? Why not use birth control in the first place? If a person is so smart to chose education, wouldn’t they be smart enough to use some kind of birth control, and not have an unintended pregnancy? There are so many things wrong with this message she is trying to send.

My view of “Abortion” right now is, it’s a blight on our society – look at the cheapness of American Life, PP the Mickey Dees’ of the abortion industry.

Dr Evil on April 18, 2010 at 10:20 AM

This college girl, thinks she chose “thriving” over “surviving” the cost was just one human life? Why not use birth control in the first place? If a person is so smart to chose education, wouldn’t they be smart enough to use some kind of birth control, and not have an unintended pregnancy?

Dr Evil on April 18, 2010 at 10:20 AM

If she had used birth control successfully there would still be one fewer human life.

dedalus on April 18, 2010 at 10:45 AM

My view of “Abortion” right now is, it’s a blight on our society – look at the cheapness of American Life

And I concur with your view that life is not cheap, and every child should be wanted and cared for.

I disagree with a position that doesn’t allow women choices.
Dealing with children who have been beaten, burnt, raped because they were born into horrific situations …that isn’t celebrating “life” either.

YTZGal on April 18, 2010 at 11:04 AM

If you start from the view that God creates life then any abortion, unless the mother’s life is imperiled, is wrong. Mom is killing her innocent son or daughter whose only crime is existing. The founding fathers had it right, it is our Creator who gives us the right to live. It’s not mom’s to take away.

Mojave Mark on April 18, 2010 at 11:42 AM

don’t agree with people having children who aren’t prepared for them. It only further perpetuates the cycle of abuse and dysfunctional families.

I disagree with a position that doesn’t allow women choices.
Dealing with children who have been beaten, burnt, raped because they were born into horrific situations …that isn’t celebrating “life” either.

I would guess that your scenario occurs more often in situations where the woman is having the child to get more welfare than in situations like the one described in the post where the mnother is concerned about convenience. She chose to have sex when she didn’t want a baby. That’s the choice. Why is that so hard to understand? Sex is not recreation although the libs sell it as that. Do you people not understand that your attitudes and mores have been manipulated to make money for planned parenthood and destroy the family? It’s just a given that girls will have recreational sex and then kill a child? Can’t you see how screwed up that is?

Haunches on April 18, 2010 at 12:29 PM

? It’s just a given that girls will have recreational sex and then kill a child? Can’t you see how screwed up that is?

You’re making some big leaps there. No where in my posts did I advocate what you term “recreational sex”. We have taught our children that sex is more than a biological act.

However, can’t “you” see how, quote “screwed up” endquote it is to create a never ending cycle of despair, poverty and abuse? Have you ever done ANY advocacy work with abused children? If not, then get off your high hobby horse. Theory doesn’t always work in practice. The extremist pro-Life agenda that denies women opportunity to all reproductive choices in the military health system has done nothing more than create a medical apartheid where women are treated little more than as disposable meat. The attitude spills into ALL aspects of female healthcare, not just abortion and reproductive choice. It’s misogynistic Neanderthal heaven. Congratulations !

YTZGal on April 18, 2010 at 12:40 PM

Women make excuses why they can’t do things.

petunia on April 18, 2010 at 1:36 AM

Those who lack the courage will always find a philosophy to justify it.” ~ Albert Camus

Conservative Samizdat on April 18, 2010 at 12:42 PM

If you start from the view that God creates life then any abortion, unless the mother’s life is imperiled, is wrong. Mom is killing her innocent son or daughter whose only crime is existing. The founding fathers had it right, it is our Creator who gives us the right to live. It’s not mom’s to take away.

Mojave Mark on April 18, 2010 at 11:42 AM

So I guess your just ducky with forcing women to have children as a result of rape or incest too. That must be “God’s will”, not a result of power, coercion and control.

YTZGal on April 18, 2010 at 12:42 PM

Somebody should add to the graffiti: While I grieve my dead baby.

justincase on April 18, 2010 at 12:42 PM

It’s just a given that girls will have recreational sex and then kill a child? Can’t you see how screwed up that is?
Haunches on April 18, 2010 at 12:29 PM

Human biology “sells” sex. Unfortunately, in modern culture it “sells” sex long before most people are prepared to head families.

Perhaps the “oral sex isn’t sex” idea that has gained prevalence is one way for young people to find a release for their sexual energy without incurring the risk of pregnancy and having to deal with the questions of when life begins.

dedalus on April 18, 2010 at 12:44 PM

YTZGal on April 18, 2010 at 12:40 PM

Child abuse increases at a rate proportional with abortion.

Those who work with female inmates say that probably over 80% of all incarcerated women have had an abortion, and when they sort it through a lot of those women say their life of crime began immediately after their abortion.

Longitudinal studies of women in crisis pregnancies show that it is the women who abort who end up in poverty, compared to the results for women in similar situations who chose to let the child live.

Giving women (but not men) the option to kill the child has justified men who sow their sperm but are never really a father to anybody. Why take responsibility for a baby when it’s the woman’s owned darn fault that she didn’t kill it when she had the chance? Abortion has not empowered women; it has castrated men from behaving like real men. And real women are not made stronger by belittling men; real women see that it takes men and women together – both strong and both responsible for something more than just their own agenda – in order for both to have a better life.

And in fact most women who abort do so because they feel pressured by somebody else – boyfriend, parents, or the counselor. They are left alone with grief and guilt that they can’t even let anybody else know they’re experiencing. And many resort to coping mechanisms such as promiscuity, having a replacement baby, drug or alcohol abuse, violence and crime, or suicide.

Abortion hurts women. Big-time. It helps nobody.

justincase on April 18, 2010 at 12:54 PM

However, can’t “you” see how, quote “screwed up” endquote it is to create a never ending cycle of despair, poverty and abuse? Have you ever done ANY advocacy work with abused children? If not, then get off your high hobby horse. Theory doesn’t always work in practice. The extremist pro-Life agenda that denies women opportunity to all reproductive choices in the military health system has done nothing more than create a medical apartheid where women are treated little more than as disposable meat. The attitude spills into ALL aspects of female healthcare, not just abortion and reproductive choice. It’s misogynistic Neanderthal heaven. Congratulations !

Ok, Libtard, I’ve defended children as guardian ad litem for many years PRO BONO. Babies who have had crack stored in their diaper bags among other things. These mothers purposely conceived these babies for the money they would bring in—in every single case—and I’ve taken at least 50 to court. So get off your high horse.

Congratulations on your 50,000,000 DEATHS.

Every single on of those children would choose life even with their crack head mothers.

In what world does the military deny women “opportunity” in all reproductive choices? Are they being forcibly raped? They are not allowed to buy condoms? What the hell are you talking about? Medical apartheid?

BTW, I am a woman and certainly no misogynist Neanderthal. I have four children and kept my knees together until I was capable of supporting a child.

Haunches on April 18, 2010 at 12:55 PM

Abortion is simply a stop-gap solution to irresponsible personal activity. If you aren’t smart enough to prevent pregnancy, you aren’t smart enough to go to college. They don’t hand out brains there.

LarryG on April 18, 2010 at 1:06 PM

As awful and immoral as abortion is, there is a bright side – the Jessicas of the world are voluntarily removing their offspring from the gene pool.

On a more serious note, I find the “kid or college” argument unpersuasive on at least two counts. The elite University in which I labor degrees more women than men (as do almost all of them these days). But if you look for those women you will find a disturbingly large fraction of them in the “Mickey Mouse” majors. I find it hard to credit intelligence, much less good sense to a feminist who believes that her presence in a class on “Gender Studies” or “Social Welfare” is of greater value than the act of birthing and raising a human child – or even being a conscientious nanny for such a child, for that matter.

Regarding the “real” majors, a surprising number of women manage those and children quite successfully. I have, in fact, long recommended that women pursuing graduate degrees in Engineering or Science consider starting a family while in school. They usually have more freedom to schedule their time, and are under less pressure to generate short-term intellectual product than when they are in the early stages of a professional career.

materialist on April 18, 2010 at 1:08 PM

justincase on April 18, 2010 at 12:54 PM

Really? Quote your statistics.

Allowing women to make their own choices with respect to their bodies and fertility, which includes contraception and abortion, did MORE to reduce the poverty in the Appalachians than any other program.

YTZGal on April 18, 2010 at 1:08 PM

YTZGal on April 18, 2010 at 12:42 PM

I’ve seen reports suggesting that the abortion may be more traumatic for the woman than the rape. The rape is what someone did to her; an abortion is what she did to someone else.

If we have the idea that when we’re hurt we lash out at the next innocent person down the line, this life can only be one big set of dominoes where we get hurt and pass it on.

The answer is Jesus. He took all the world’s hatred and guilt and buried it in hell where it belongs. Every wrong done to or by us was placed on Him and He suffered the torment of Hell as the just payment for that sin. God hates rape and incest. He hates it so much that He accused His own Son of every rape and sentenced Him to Hell for it. God also hates murder. He sentenced His Son to Hell for every murder – including abortion.

That frees us up to stop lashing out at each other. The just anger we have over the bad stuff that happens to us – we can sling that at Jesus. He’s a big boy. He can take it. He already HAS taken it. He is the scapegoat. We don’t have to punish the baby. And Jesus has promised to give us strength to face whatever life throws at us. The most powerful things in the world come out of situations that seem impossible.

There are lots of women whose children were fathered by men who hurt and betrayed that woman in one way or another – but who see the child as the best thing that ever happened to them. That includes women who are divorced as well as women who were raped.

Conversely, there are men who have literally butchered their girlfriend’s child because the child represented nothing more than the sex she had with somebody else. In Nebraska several years ago one man put the child’s body in pieces in his freezer. If his name had been Leroy Carhart (Nebraska’s late-term abortionist who has said he has 1-2 instances every month where the child comes out alive and they let it die) I suppose that would have been legal.

The fact of the matter is that the child is not just evidence of the act that caused the conception. The child is an innocent human being with the tremendous potential to be a blessing. When men and women REALLY see what a child is – a gift – they have the capacity to be blessed. Until they see a child that way, they cannot be blessed by ANY child, wanted or not. This is borne out by the fact that the highest rates of child abuse occur when the child is SUPER-wanted.

justincase on April 18, 2010 at 1:12 PM

In what world does the military deny women “opportunity” in all reproductive choices? Are they being forcibly raped? They are not allowed to buy condoms? What the hell are you talking about? Medical apartheid?

I could write an entire post on the deleterious effects on the Pro-Life agenda within the military health system. It is unconsciousable that women who are active duty military or dependents are denied the same choices that are available to other women.

“Libtard”? Wow. Because I vehemently disagree with your viewpoint, you start slinging the Ad Hominems? That just underscores the weakness of your argument.

Congrats on your court work. I don’t think continuing a system that rewards irresponsible choices, like coke babies, is something that should be applauded.

Your sanctimonious false piety says everything I need to know about your closed mind.

. I have four children and kept my knees together until I was capable of supporting a child.

Really grooving on the whole Madonna-Whore dichotomy, aren’t you?

Do you tell boys the same thing?

YTZGal on April 18, 2010 at 1:14 PM

Wow, they didn’t have condoms in Appalachia before that? Who knew?

BTW, “programs” don’t decrease poverty. Work decreases poverty.

Haunches on April 18, 2010 at 1:14 PM

justincase on April 18, 2010 at 1:12 PM

Thanks. Just what I thought. You have no proof, statistics or case studies to back up what amounts to your personal religious views.

You are free to live your life according to your belief system.

You have NO right to impose your belief system on others.

YTZGal on April 18, 2010 at 1:16 PM

Wow, they didn’t have condoms in Appalachia before that? Who knew?

Yeah. Condoms. The sheaths that men put on their penises, and generally choose when and if they’ll use them?

Condoms are not reproductive choices that women control.

Shame on you.

YTZGal on April 18, 2010 at 1:18 PM

Wow, they didn’t have condoms in Appalachia before that? Who knew?

BTW, I’m loving the sarcasm. Goes hand in hand with your false piety and sanctimoniousness. Thanks for reinforces cliches!

Condoms. Yeah, those sheaths that men get to choose when and if they’re going to use them.

Nothing says “control” like making sure that reproductive choices stay firmly within the male sphere of influence.

YTZGal on April 18, 2010 at 1:22 PM

The statistics are out there. I don’t have time at the moment to look them up again. Some are from Guttmacher; some from Reardon; some from prison ministries. They’re out there, although some things you have to look beyond the headlines.

For instance, there was one study in Australia about breast cancer. The study actually found a higher correlation between past abortions than family history of breast cancer. But the researcher did not include that in the conclusion of the study because it wasn’t politically correct. I believe somebody was sued over that also, and in Australia women have to be informed of the risk of breast cancer in their abortion counseling. It’s been several years since I researched that so things may have changed but I remember following that particular case.

And there is a pro-choice researcher in America (Janet somebody?) whose sister had breast cancer. This researcher found a correlation between breast cancer and abortion, as well as the mechanism by which first-trimester abortion CAUSES breast cancer. She spoke about how her pro-choice colleagues vilified her because of the results of her study.

I’ve got other fish I’m frying right now so maybe I shouldn’t have said anything. Normally I document what I say pretty thoroughly but it’s been a long time since I looked at the data and I don’t have time to look it all up again right now.

What I’ve been working on lately is at http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/red-flags-in-hawaii-2/

justincase on April 18, 2010 at 1:22 PM

YTZGal on April 18, 2010 at 1:16 PM

The research is out there. You can find it if you’re willing.

BTW, did we have the right to force our belief system on the Nazis, who wanted to be able to destroy the people who stood in the way of the “progress” they wanted to make?

Why or why not?

justincase on April 18, 2010 at 1:24 PM

She spoke about how her pro-choice colleagues vilified her because of the results of her study.

She would like to believe that her “pro-choice” colleagues vilified her because of her “findings”, but from what I read, it was because it was sloppy science.

And your whole abortion-prison dynamic — you haven’t done a very good job of teasing out other mitigating factors, such as education, socioeconomic status, etc and a whole other host of factors that lead to people making poor choices. You just launched onto a convenient meme that supports your religious beliefs.

That’s quite a bumper sticker you’re ginning up — “Have an Abortion – End up in Prison!”

YTZGal on April 18, 2010 at 1:29 PM

justincase on April 18, 2010 at 1:24 PM

Ding! Ding! Ding!
Look here, folks, we’ve found the Godwin’s Law winner for the day!

YTZGal on April 18, 2010 at 1:31 PM

And YTZGal, since you said you work with Planned Parenthood, I gather that you probably support the right of the Nazis to “terminate” lives that were inconvenient to the “progress” the Nazis wanted to make – because the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a colleague of the Nazi leadership. She told them that she would be more successful than they at cleansing the gene pool because she would do it through persuasion.

There is a letter where she wrote that they should recruit a dynamic Black pastor (Jeremiah Wright? Jesse Jackson?) to tell his flock that abortion is a civil rights issue – that the ability to choose when to have children would be an empowering gift to the Black people. She said that Black people were so stupid that they would fall for that reasoning and accomplish their own genocide.

She was very much a white supremacist and was associated with the eugenics of her Nazi colleagues in Germany.

justincase on April 18, 2010 at 1:33 PM

No, a better bumper sticker says it more succinctly:

“Abortion = one dead, one wounded”

justincase on April 18, 2010 at 1:36 PM

Do you tell boys the same thing?

Absolutely. Even more so. They do not want to carry on their conscience the death of a child and as the father they would not be able to prevent it. They would have no choice if the mother wanted to kill their child.

Madonna-Whore

There is your ad hominem attack. It’s not wrong to be responsible and to be able to delay gratification to avoid a situation where a child could not be cared for in the best way possible. I certainly don’t see where either a madonna or a whore fits in to my statement.

sanctimonious false piety

What the hell are you talking about? False piety is pretended piety, I have pretended nothing and I’m not particulary pious. Neither am I sanctimonious. I want women to be responsible for themselves and make good choices. I believe they can do it if they aren’t constantly told that they are at the mercy of their sexuality.

They military, on tax dollars, should never provide abortions. I assume that is what you mean by not being allowed the same “choices.” If they want an abortion, I’m sure that Planned Parenthood will help them out—for a fee. That’s what PP is all about–profit.

50,000,000 deaths. Half of those deaths are women. Talk about a deleterious effect–it’s the final solution.

Haunches on April 18, 2010 at 1:41 PM

YTZ Gal

Be honest, women have complete control of their bodies and they are the ones who decide if they want their legs open or not. Your excuses exempt the sexual irresponsibility of some women but cast the blame to all men.

It takes two to tango or as we say in the nursing field, don’t spread it if you don’t want it.

DinobotPrime on April 18, 2010 at 1:41 PM

And YTZGal, since you said you work with Planned Parenthood

Crap. I had no idea I was arguing with a Planned Parenthood drone. Forget it. They only care about the bottom line—profit. Any argument to the contrary is a ruse. Corporate manipulation.

Haunches on April 18, 2010 at 1:44 PM

Mitigating factors are just that, YTZ girl, but as you had stated, the final choice to really want it goes to both parties. I had known people who had those same mitigating factors who managed to get her legs shut and his zippers zipped and I had seen people with excellent education, lots of money, good parental care and all of those stuff who were their opposite.

DinobotPrime on April 18, 2010 at 1:47 PM

Planned Parenthood=Death for profit

Haunches on April 18, 2010 at 1:58 PM

And YTZGal, since you said you work with Planned Parenthood

Crap. I had no idea I was arguing with a Planned Parenthood drone. Forget it. They only care about the bottom line—profit. Any argument to the contrary is a ruse. Corporate manipulation.

Haunches on April 18, 2010 at 1:44 PM

Um, I NEVER said I worked with Planned Parenthood.
Please quote where I said that.
I don’t even know if there’s a PP clinic anywhere near me.

Talk about taking gigantic leaps. A great number of you here want to fill in the blanks to fit your preconceived narratives. Very, very sad.

Well, my dear family just returned from Mass. We’re all heading out now to a family gathering, so I will leave you all to your self-reinforcing logic.

YTZGal on April 18, 2010 at 1:59 PM

. Your excuses exempt the sexual irresponsibility of some women but cast the blame to all men.

It takes two to tango or as we say in the nursing field, don’t spread it if you don’t want it.

Again, don’t make assumptions.
And my positions do not equate to “excuses”.

It seems that you’re the one with the double standard.
And you “nursing field” quote is beyond offensive, and frankly, something that wouldn’t have been tolerated in the hospitals and nursing settings I worked in.

YTZGal on April 18, 2010 at 2:01 PM

They military, on tax dollars, should never provide abortions.

And I happen to feel that you don’t have the right to make that moral judgment.

And the military doesn’t just refuse abortions; they refuse D&C procedures for anything that doesn’t fit their bigoted narrative because of the Pro-Life crazies.

They would rather have a mother die from sepsis from mitigating factors related to a miscarriage or mole pregnancy than provide a D&C. That’s not an “abortion”.

But you just keep up with your rigidly and incorrect narratives, because that’s what brings you comfort. Facts are irrelevant.

YTZGal on April 18, 2010 at 2:04 PM

Well, my dear family just returned from Mass

It’s good you don’t go.

Haunches on April 18, 2010 at 2:04 PM

She was very much a white supremacist and was associated with the eugenics of her Nazi colleagues in Germany.

justincase on April 18, 2010 at 1:33 PM

She had some badly thought out views, including advocating for socialism. However, she was operating during a time when the Comstock laws were in effect. It was beneficial that she fought against those laws and others that made the distribution of birth control information illegal.

dedalus on April 18, 2010 at 2:04 PM

Be honest, women have complete control of their bodies and they are the ones who decide if they want their legs open or not.

And I guess in your Cro-Magnon world, marital rape is a non-existent concept.

YTZGal on April 18, 2010 at 2:05 PM

t’s good you don’t go.

Haunches on April 18, 2010 at 2:04 PM

You just can’t help yourself, can you?
Religious bigots crack me up.
I’m sure you pat yourself on the back every morning about what a good “Christian” you are, but have no real understanding of what it means to live your faith.

YTZGal on April 18, 2010 at 2:07 PM

Mitigating factors are just that, YTZ girl, but as you had stated, the final choice to really want it goes to both parties.

And the final choice must include not reaching into my pocket to subsidize your bad choices.

And my final post/comment will be, since I am getting the stink eye that I am holding up the crew:

If you’ve had a child taken by CPS and/or into Foster care, that’s your last kick at the can. You should have to submit to sterilization– both partners. But instead, we have serial pregnancies by the same irresponsible people who have child after child killed, abused or ending up in foster care.

Children are a serious commitment and as well, an individual choice.

YTZGal on April 18, 2010 at 2:10 PM

YTZGal, since you said you work with Planned Parenthood

Again, “Justincase”, please refer to the statement that I claim I work with Planned Parenthood. Specifically, the quote and the date stamp. Otherwise, you need to apologize and accept that you’re making it up as you go along.

YTZGal on April 18, 2010 at 2:12 PM

I’m sure you pat yourself on the back every morning about what a good “Christian” you are, but have no real understanding of what it means to live your faith.

NO. But I do know that killing is wrong. You obviously don’t.

Haunches on April 18, 2010 at 2:14 PM

If you’ve had a child taken by CPS and/or into Foster care, that’s your last kick at the can. You should have to submit to sterilization– both partners. But instead, we have serial pregnancies by the same irresponsible people who have child after child killed, abused or ending up in foster care.

So your final solution is to kill them. Nice.

Haunches on April 18, 2010 at 2:15 PM

Sometimes you may not want to have a baby and go to college instead. This is a circumstance where a woman might consider an abortion.

Other women would have a baby and put off college or maybe just skip it.

These are choices.

happyfeet on April 17, 2010 at 10:26 PM

Describe this “have a baby” thing in detail. Is that where a tissue mass decides to become a baby?

unclesmrgol on April 18, 2010 at 2:17 PM

Religious bigots crack me up.

I’m no religious bigot. What does that even mean? That I converted to a faith and try, often failing, to live up to the precepts of the faith I chose? That I spend hours conseling converts to not convert if they believe that abortion isn’t evil? That I chose Catholicism as an adult because it was one of the few religions that recognized the right to life at all stages? I have always known abortion was the taking of an innocent life well before I practiced any religion at all. Long before I would even admit a belief in a God, I knew that extracting an innocent baby from his mother’s womb was horribly wrong. So religious bigot? No. But I’ll return the favor and call you a secular humanist elitist bigot.

Haunches on April 18, 2010 at 2:21 PM

If she had used birth control successfully there would still be one fewer human life.

dedalus on April 18, 2010 at 10:45 AM

And if she had the baby then immediately slit its throat there also would be one less life. What a dishonest evil argument.

CWforFreedom on April 18, 2010 at 2:22 PM

Wow appears from YTZGal’s fervor that she sure is intent to convince herself that her past “choices” are just fine and dandy.

Puke

CWforFreedom on April 18, 2010 at 2:25 PM

According to the planned parenthood meme every baby sucked from his mother’s womb would otherwise be abused. The idea is that death is far superior to abuse. Statistically, that would mean that 50,000,000 babies since Roe was passed would have had abusive childhoods. This of course does not take into account the pregnancies that are the result of the parents knowledge that if they have a “mistake” they can kill it. According to this logic, all abused children would kill themselves as soon as they are given the opportunity.

They haul out all the same old arguments: you’re a religious bigot, you have a madonna whore complex, abortion is really “women’s health”, men are evil, there is no way a woman can keep from getting pregnant, marital rape is a constant threat, it costs the govt more to have unwanted children than have them aborted (the eugenics argument), pro-lifers impose their beliefs on others but pro-deathers who want the military and federally funded abortion aren’t imposing their beliefs on others.

Same radical liberal eugenic racial shit/ different day.

Haunches on April 18, 2010 at 2:35 PM

YTZ girl
Really? Hospitals and nursing homes may be politically correct, but the medical and nursing staff are not. Do you know why, it’s because we learned through experience that people who think that they are exempted from the consequences of their decisions are entitled to medical care or in your case unnecessary abortion to cover up their mistake. I work as a floor nurse, so don’t tell me about the realities on the field and the nonsense we have to take from people like you.

And oh btw, if you think that having and raising children is a serious commitment and an individual choice, then the people in question should decide when they start their sexual relationship what to do to prevent conception. They should both decide if they want a temporary surgical measure, the use of hormones, condoms and others devices or techniques to prevent pregnancy. All of these techniques are available to everybody, problem is, many don’t use it.

YTZGal

I have a theoretical question for you. If I can go back to past and decide to change your existence from being born to grow up to become an adult to an aborted fetus unwanted and thrown away like trash. What would be your reasons to persuade me to tell your mother to continue her pregnancy of you as opposed to telling her to abort her because you are no good in the future? This is not a religious question. This is a serious question about who gets to to live and die before they are born.

DinobotPrime on April 18, 2010 at 2:41 PM

My sincere apologies, YTZGal. I was confusing you with the person in the post who thought this alteration of the sign was such a great thing. She said she is passionate about it because she works with Planned Parenthood.

I will not say I’m making this up as I go along because the information I’ve given is in the research. Anybody is free to find it for themselves. And I do apologize for not digging up the research again; as I said, it’s been a long time ago that I researched it so I don’t have links handy and I probably shouldn’t even be spending any time on this right now. But this issue does bother me.

My husband is a pastor; he has dealt with the fallout women have because of abortion and how it impacts everybody in their lives. I also have dealt with women who have no idea why they made bad choices in their lives and were very surprised when I pointed out that the behavior they exhibited fit into the pattern of post-abortion syndrome. I’ve had women say, “My gosh, it WAS right after the abortion that I started doing that stuff. I had no idea it could be connected.”

I have a sister who chose life for her baby and her son has been nothing but a blessing to her. The experience of having to be responsible for somebody besides herself was the best thing that ever happened to her.

Every woman is different, but I cannot see how violating the very nurturing nature of a woman can do anything but damage who she is or where her life is going.

Our first child was stillborn at 42 weeks. We still don’t know why she died, but when I was later diagnosed as having gestational diabetes with the next pregnancy I believed that I had killed our first child by eating too many Christmas goodies – that the diabetes showed up later than normal and the doctor didn’t know to warn me about it. I would not wish that experience on my worst enemy.

I also miscarried at 12 weeks and it affected my body even worse than the stillbirth had.

Our last child was not supposed to live. The doctor told me immediately that the heart rate was profoundly slow and he had never seen a fetus recover from that. I was on progesterone to keep from miscarrying but the careless responses I received from the nurses regarding the bloodwork convinced me that they knew our daughter had already died. I was convinced that the progesterone was only keeping false hope alive for me. I wanted to stop using the progesterone. I didn’t think I could handle trying to hope when my hopes would only be dashed.

My husband wouldn’t let me. I will bless him forever for being strong when I was not. Our daughter is 10 now and her parents and 3 living siblings are very thankful that she is alive.

That experience taught me that anybody is capable of giving up on life, and that’s when the support network needs to give hope and strength. I have a profound sorrow for what so many women have been through because they gave in to fear, despair, and pressure. I grieve because instead of a strong man who held out hope in the middle of fear, they had somebody who just didn’t want to be “caught”. They had so-called “doctors” who lied to them about their baby just being a “blob of cells”.

I shouldn’t be taking the time to address this now, since I don’t have the time to show the research, but my heart goes out to the women who are caught in the same web of deceit as you are saying here. I say that because of the research, because of my own experiences, and because of what I’ve observed in women who have had an abortion.

justincase on April 18, 2010 at 2:46 PM

And if she had the baby then immediately slit its throat there also would be one less life. What a dishonest evil argument.

CWforFreedom on April 18, 2010 at 2:22 PM

That’s a different point, unrelated to the net-number of people who get to experience life.

The baby in your example would be a conscience being and feel pain. Certainly that is not a trivial difference between a baby and cellular life that has yet to develop organs.

dedalus on April 18, 2010 at 2:54 PM

YTZGal
Religious bigots and non religious bigots often live in their self imposed righteousness. Problem is this, non religious bigots are less tolerable than the religious bigots and had killed more people in the 20th century than those killed in Christendom religious wars for the past 2000 years.

When the you are a bigot or whatever starts appearing to a thread, the one who posted it had already lost the debate and starts the insults to hide the poorness of his or her position. It’s nothing personal, but form where I am standing, you already lost the debate .

DinobotPrime on April 18, 2010 at 3:03 PM

There is a profound difference between existing and being killed and not existing at all. The point isn’t “one less life toto” it’s one more life ended that didn’t have to end.

Haunches on April 18, 2010 at 3:05 PM

I am the father of an aborted child. My girlfriend & decided, at ages far to young to be making decisions such as this, chose to have an abortion and get on with our lives. You wouldn’t think it would affect a dad, but it did me. I lived with it every day until I got help. Our child is now symbolically interred with a small headstone in a graveyard in our home town. I felt like a weight was lifted when I finally gave our child the recogntion it deserved, a place to rest reserved for a human being.

rockerpeople on April 18, 2010 at 3:11 PM

Dedalus
As long as the fertilized egg is not yet implanted in the woman’s uterus, then it’s just that.. If it gets implanted and the process started to change that embryo to human fetus, then for all intents and purposes until something happens that will removed the fetus from the womb, that fetus is a guaranteed human being .

DinobotPrime on April 18, 2010 at 3:12 PM

There is a profound difference between existing and being killed and not existing at all. The point isn’t “one less life toto” it’s one more life ended that didn’t have to end.

Haunches on April 18, 2010 at 3:05 PM

The question of existing is what divides people on the issue. It seems that conscious life is very different from life that has never experienced consciousness.

dedalus on April 18, 2010 at 3:29 PM

Dedalus
As long as the fertilized egg is not yet implanted in the woman’s uterus, then it’s just that.. If it gets implanted and the process started to change that embryo to human fetus, then for all intents and purposes until something happens that will removed the fetus from the womb, that fetus is a guaranteed human being .

DinobotPrime on April 18, 2010 at 3:12 PM

I’m not sure how the act of implantation changes the essential nature of the embryo. Evidently the biochemistry of the mother’s womb affects how genes are turned on, but those are events subsequent to implantation.

The moment of conception seems a clear line, though one that implements the hardware that will eventually support a conscious being.

dedalus on April 18, 2010 at 3:34 PM

Dedalus
In regards to your reply to Haunches, a fetus is conscious inside the womb, the only question is how to define it and how does it work inside the womb.

DinobotPrime on April 18, 2010 at 3:43 PM

The question of existing is what divides people on the issue. It seems that conscious life is very different from life that has never experienced consciousness.

Hmmm. I’m not so sure. I think the divide is more along the lines of conception/implantation, life. When is the fetus alive? I think it is alive when the cells first merge and begin to divide. I wouldn’t use consciousness as a determinant.

I lost a baby boy at 16 weeks gestation. He was certainly alive to me, his father and the rest of his family. We experienced his death as a death not as an inability to reach consciousness. I still mourn him 10 years later.

Haunches on April 18, 2010 at 3:43 PM

I don’t think there’s even really a definition of what consciousness is, and there are instances where a person was registered as having no brain activity and yet during that time they were able to observe events and details that would not have been within their eyesight even if they’d had brain function at the time.

Not wanting to get zen or anything, but I think there are some interesting questions that come up when discussing “consciousness”. It may not necessarily be an exclusive function of brainwaves – in which case, consciousness could exist at points we never thought possible.

I don’t believe that a person is disposable just because they aren’t conscious, but even if a person makes that argument, it would be hard to know exactly when consciousness exists or not – especially if it’s not dependent on brain function.

justincase on April 18, 2010 at 3:44 PM

Another issue with brain function, as I see it (and I don’t have a great working knowledge of the specifics on this so I might be misunderstanding it all): normally the medulla controls the basic functions of life – brain activity, respiration, etc.

But I saw my daughter’s heartbeat on the ultrasound monitor when her body still looked like a big X. That must have been about 2 weeks after I realized I was pregnant so she wasn’t very old at all. I’m sure the scientists would say she didn’t have a brain or brainwaves yet. But there was that beating heart – the sight I had given up hope of ever seeing. Something besides what we call a “brain” was making that heartbeat.

I can’t help but think that we may be labeling things wrong and making unwarranted inferences based on the labels we give.

justincase on April 18, 2010 at 3:51 PM

I lost a baby boy at 16 weeks gestation. He was certainly alive to me, his father and the rest of his family. We experienced his death as a death not as an inability to reach consciousness. I still mourn him 10 years later.

Haunches on April 18, 2010 at 3:43 PM

Very sorry for your loss. There is no scientific doubt that conception creates a new living human organism.

dedalus on April 18, 2010 at 3:54 PM

I’m with you, Haunches. That must have been a difficult loss. Our daughter was stillborn 17 years ago and I don’t know if there’s been a day that’s gone by in all that time when I didn’t think of her in some way. Our other child was 12 weeks gestation when I miscarried so we didn’t know whether it was a boy or a girl, though I think it was a girl. I think often of her too.

I think sometimes the labels of when a child counts as a person has more to do with OUR experience of them. An older child is “conscious” (or so we believe) but they also can be felt at that point, which makes it more real to us even if it’s the same realness as it ever was. I think the desire to protect the older fetuses may (whether intentionally or unintentionally) be more about not being able to explain away a life you’ve been able to personally feel yourself.

I didn’t experience as much of my baby who died at 12 weeks as I did of the child who died at 42 weeks gestation, so I have more memories and maybe feel the loss more because of that. But that doesn’t mean that either child was less a person than the other, or than the 4 living children I have. Their lives are so much more than just what I’ve been able to experience of them.

justincase on April 18, 2010 at 4:02 PM

As long as the fertilized egg is not yet implanted in the woman’s uterus, then it’s just that.. If it gets implanted and the process started to change that embryo to human fetus, then for all intents and purposes until something happens that will removed the fetus from the womb, that fetus is a guaranteed human being .

DinobotPrime on April 18, 2010 at 3:12 PM

You forgot the morula, and, after that blastocyst. The egg divides (via mitosis) into the morula and thence the blastocyst before it implants into the uterine wall.

So, long before implantation, we are a multicellular “tissue mass” — in fact, when we die of old age, we are still a “tissue mass” — but I won’t go there.

In fact, the implantation requires mitosis as well to begin construction of the placenta by the portion of the blastocyst called the trophoblast.

Human development is a continuum, and that continuum includes growth prior to implantation.

A more scientific way of looking at “just a fertilized egg” would be the question — whose DNA is in that fertilized egg — the mother’s, the father’s, or some other individual’s? You know the answer, and that answer ought to push back your human timeline considerably.

unclesmrgol on April 18, 2010 at 4:08 PM

It’d been a long time since I did OB, but I agree with your post.

DinobotPrime on April 18, 2010 at 4:26 PM

an unborn baby is not just a clump of cells.

Sure they are, but only to the extent that a born baby (and a adolescent, and an adult, etc.) are as well.

Selkirk on April 18, 2010 at 7:46 PM

My best friend suffered from post-abortion syndrome and blew her head off. I think of her everytime I read stuff like this. Her favorite band was Boston. I miss her.

gocatholic on April 18, 2010 at 9:00 PM

Every time I hear about “choice” or “convenience”, I cringe. To me this is very personal. I was born in 1966 before the Roe decision and thankfully so. The truth is that I was adopted. Had i been born just a few years later I may not be here today. Would I have been aborted for what ever reason for the convenience of my birth mother. Do a google search on all the famous people who were adoptive children. Then think about this world without them. I am not a choice I am person and I do not support abortion except to truly save the mother’s life.

turbeda on April 18, 2010 at 10:22 PM

Abortion is EVIL!

Anything that threats and ends LIFE is EVIL! I learn that from an environmentalist-psycho!

So why can’t GREENPEACE go and fight ABORTION! Oops I forgot. New baby … more CO2 emission … GHG….Climate Change … death of Earth.

21st Century … the century that liberal Americans have truly gone mad.

NO TO ABORTION!

TheAlamos on April 19, 2010 at 12:53 AM

Chekote has not come back to defend its’ assertion. Not surprised.

jeanie on April 17, 2010 at 11:58 PM

Thank you.

I agree that an open adoption is not the best situation for everyone.

That being said, my children are flourishing.

unclesmrgol on April 18, 2010 at 4:08 PM

+1,000.

There is much wisdom in you. I am thankful to you for sharing.

rukiddingme on April 19, 2010 at 10:47 AM

I made that difficult choice in 1978. I was alone, with 2 small children, when I became pregnant. Looking at my 2 little girls, I never even considered abortion.

When I was carrying her, I was acosted and screamed at by a total stranger that I was contributing to overpopulation and killing the planet.

I had complications delivering her, and almost died. I ended up unable to have more. I married again, and my ex eventually held it against me that he couldn’t have children of his own, and my life became so unbearable that I left him.

But now, at 31, she and her sisters are among best things in my life, and I would not have 3 of my 5 grandchildren.

I’d do it all again.

Sarah2053 on April 19, 2010 at 10:59 AM

And if [unplanned pregnancy] did [happen], you can bet your ass that abortion would never be an option for us. We would find a way to make it work. Why do feminists never present that as a viable option for women? It’s like they practically salivate over the thought of another woman getting an abortion. I don’t know why…

I do. Because their position is not valid, and deep down they know it, they need constant, almost ritual, reassurance that their position is valid.

To keep the darkness from crashing in all around them, they need a constant supply of dead bodies.

It’s the same phenomenon we see with other aspirational truths formed around unnatural behavior, such as affirmative action, which do not come true or remain true on their own until/unless the public actually engages in unnatural behavior (such as hiring someone less suited for a given job). Because they do not originate naturally, such “truths” must be consciously created and maintained — and it takes a constant energy input to keep them “true”.

Without that constant input of energy, the truths fall apart and society reverts to behavior and beliefs based around common sense, such as carrying a baby to term, recognizing that the after-effects of an abortion might be unpleasant, recognizing we shouldn’t hire someone just because of their skin color, etc.

On some level even these fanatics recognize such events are unnatural, and so any instance of them occurring is like a miracle to them, a divine affirmation of their irrational beliefs. But these are “miracles” with a difference: in order to continue to believe, to “know” in their bones that their belief is valid, these “miracles” must constantly be witnessed again and again; the belief is only as strong as the stream of miracles can support. And because the belief is unnatural, there is a large, natural decay in the value of the most recent affirmation. If the miracles ever stop happening, or if there is even a short interruption in the flow of “miracles”, the entire belief system gets called into question.

Thus the obsessive-compulsive need for constant reassurance through ritual repetition of the “miracle” of unnatural behavior — it is intrinsic to the policy. Without it people go crazy from the silence. Like the characters in Waiting for Godot, the silence of no abortions, no unqualified minorities hired, no meaningless firsts such as “first black Native American Muslim female trans-gender neuter on the Illinois bench”, etc., etc., equals no peace, a soul in turmoil, and a compulsion to re-enact the miracle ritual over and over again just to shatter the silence.

RD on April 19, 2010 at 4:04 PM

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