Pataki out, Thompson maybe out in Senate races

posted at 11:36 am on April 14, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

I can’t say I wasn’t warned about Tommy Thompson by Wisconsin bloggers Kevin Binversie and Steve Eggleston.  They sounded highly skeptical when Thompson began floating the possibility of challenging Russ Feingold in this year’s Senate election, noting that Thompson has toyed with the state GOP on other occasions.  According to Milwaukee television station WTMJ, Thompson has done so again and won’t enter the race:

According to sources who have spoken with TODAY’S TMJ4 HD’s Charles Benson, former Wisconsin Governor Tommy Thompson says he will not run for Senator Russ Feingold’s seat.

Thompson is set to announce his future at a “tea party” rally in Madison on Thursday.

Bear in mind that this is not officially confirmed yet, but it does have the same level of confirmation as Thompson’s consideration of the run in the first place. A Tea Party seems like an odd place to announce a non-campaign, but perhaps Thompson has another office in mind.  He could also be working on a 501c(3) type of organization.  We’ll apparently know more tomorrow, but as of now, Feingold has to be breathing easier.

Or … maybe not, as the AP reported later:

Thompson told The Associated Press on Wednesday morning that he hadn’t made up his mind on whether he’ll enter the race. He says, “The only person who knows what I’m going to do is myself and I don’t know what I’m going to do.”

The warning from Kevin and Steve seems to still be relevant.  Stay tuned.

In New York, we have a more solid confirmation that popular former Governor George Pataki won’t rescue Republicans from Kirsten Gillibrand:

Former New York Republican Gov. George E. Pataki has decided not to mount an election challenge against Democratic Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand this fall.

Instead, he said in an interview Tuesday that he would create a new national organization aimed at building support to repeal the recently enacted health-care overhaul.

Mr. Pataki’s decision to bypass the Senate race marks another major coup for Ms. Gillibrand, who has been enormously successful in knocking out competition on both sides of the aisle despite appearing to be vulnerable politically. Were he to enter the race, Mr. Pataki would be leading Ms. Gillibrand by 45% to 40%, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released Tuesday.

Mr. Pataki, 64 years old, said he believed his plan to form the organization, called Revere America, would be the ideal way to play a role on the national political stage.

That’s another odd explanation, though. Where would Pataki do the most good in repealing ObamaCare — running a “national organization,” or replacing a Democrat in the Senate in 2010?  Why not try for the election first, and form the national organization in December if he loses to Gillibrand?

In both cases, the sudden shyness seems odd.  Both Thompson and Pataki had polling advantages in independent and respected surveys against the incumbents.  That’s an advantage that rarely occurs at the beginning of campaigns.  It’s practically a red carpet, and yet neither former Governor have chosen (yet, in Thompson’s case) to stroll down it.

The GOP missed at least one and likely two opportunities to move the Senate into their control in 2011.  It looks almost impossible for that to happen now, and it was a long shot even with Thompson and Pataki in these races.

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Pataki could have won. He’s also the only republican that state democrats are inclined to actually trust. The GOP has no one else.

ernesto on April 14, 2010 at 11:38 AM

Good. Thompson is exactly the kind of Republican we don’t need in Congress. And this…

Thompson is set to announce his future at a “tea party” rally in Madison on Thursday.

…is a slap in the face coming from a guy who spent like there was no tomorrow when he was governor.

MadisonConservative on April 14, 2010 at 11:38 AM

I don’t get this. Is it THAT difficult to find quality candidates in NY and Wisconsin? It’s not easy for the GOP to win Senate seats in those states. Why squander a golden opportunity like this?

Doughboy on April 14, 2010 at 11:39 AM

Never before has talk radio served as such a hinderance to the conservative movement as Lipaw continues to trumpet anyone and everyone besides Rpn Paul.

Remember when this guy wanted George Allen to be president.

What a joke Lipaw has become.

Spathi on April 14, 2010 at 11:39 AM

ernesto on April 14, 2010 at 11:38 AM

Guiliani? At all?

Abby Adams on April 14, 2010 at 11:40 AM

Thompson – only his hairdresser knows for sure.

Why does he insist on that silly dye job?

jake-the-goose on April 14, 2010 at 11:41 AM

Thompson – only his hairdresser knows for sure.

Why does he insist on that silly dye job?

jake-the-goose on April 14, 2010 at 11:41 AM

I wish someone would ask Romney the same thing. I think gray is actually a better color for him.

Doughboy on April 14, 2010 at 11:42 AM

It’s a disgrace what’s been happening in NY State. Gillibrand is as vulnerable as it gets and everyone capable of both raising sufficient cash and being immediately competitive with Gillibrand backs away. WTF? My guess is that the White House and Schumer have Wall Street’s collective nuts in a vice to such a degree that even conservative NY financial types are scared to raise serious money against their pet project, Gillibrand.

In Wisco, I think we maybe better off with a newcomer in challenging Feingold. Wisconsin is tightly divided even in good economic times, and I think that Feingold is going to be vulnerable in November regardless of who’s up against him. Thompson has baggage from his four GOV terms that could allow Feingold to shift the focus from his Obama idolatry to the vagaries of Thompson’s gubernatorial record.

Robert_Paulson on April 14, 2010 at 11:43 AM

Damnit, Pataki!!!!!!!!!!

blatantblue on April 14, 2010 at 11:43 AM

any other good news today or should I just head to the local Bridge and jump now?

SDarchitect on April 14, 2010 at 11:43 AM

Sounds to me like Pataki is going to jump into the 2012 primary by using a national repeal ObamaCare platform.

myrenovations on April 14, 2010 at 11:44 AM

Pataki was still a relative unknown at this point in 1994 when he defeated Mario Cuomo for governor, who was expected to, if not cruise to a fourth term, have a solid advantage over whomever the Republicans put up. So George not running at this point in 2010 isn’t the end of the world as far as GOP hopes against Gillibrand go.

They just have to find a candidate who is reasonably presentable and doesn’t have either any past skeletons or past liberal votes hiding in the closet to dampen enthusiasm in November. Remember, New York’s the only state in the country where the Dems will be defending three statewide races this fall, both Senate seats and the governor’s position. Given the current voter mood and the results last November in New Jersey and in January in Massachusetts, it’s hard to believe any remotely competent effort by by NYS GOP can’t pick off at least one of the three due to voter disgust with the way things are going in Washington.

jon1979 on April 14, 2010 at 11:45 AM

Why don’t you run MadisonConservative?

portlandon on April 14, 2010 at 11:47 AM

Why would these guys take a pay cut from lobbying and advising to be a US Senator?

portlandon on April 14, 2010 at 11:48 AM

Giuliani, Zuckerman, and Pataki ALL declined in NY.

Don’t get it.

nickj116 on April 14, 2010 at 11:50 AM

Surely in a state as big and varied as NY another good candidate can be found to run against Gillibrand?

jeanie on April 14, 2010 at 11:51 AM

Its offical the GOp is ball-less

the only people with a full set in the GOp are women.

unseen on April 14, 2010 at 11:53 AM

Looks like we got ourselves a front runner in Wisconsin

http://terrencewall.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=225

Uncle Bouncy on April 14, 2010 at 11:54 AM

Why don’t you run MadisonConservative?

portlandon on April 14, 2010 at 11:47 AM

I would vote for you.

sammypants on April 14, 2010 at 11:55 AM

Who wants to volunteer to be captain of a ship already sinking to the bow? Let the demonrats ride their disaster to bottom and face the repercussions as they deserve.

volsense on April 14, 2010 at 11:56 AM

Looks like we got ourselves a front runner in Wisconsin

http://terrencewall.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=225

Uncle Bouncy on April 14, 2010 at 11:54 AM

I really like this guy. One of Feingold’s campaing offices pays their rent to Wall Properties. I love it.

sammypants on April 14, 2010 at 11:56 AM

portlandon on April 14, 2010 at 11:47 AM

Pfft. The genres of porn on my computer would make Massa look tame.

MadisonConservative on April 14, 2010 at 11:57 AM

C’mon! Foolsgold is ripe for the picking. What about Mark Green?

Trusser13 on April 14, 2010 at 11:57 AM

The GOP missed at least one and likely two opportunities to move the Senate into their control in 2011. It looks almost impossible for that to happen now, and it was a long shot even with Thompson and Pataki in these races.

“Almost impossible” is too pessimistic. It’s very difficult, but still plausible. If the GOP holds all its seats, and picks up all 8 of the following Dem seats (where GOP candidates are ahead in the most recent polling)

AR, CO, DE, IL, IN, ND, NV, PA

then they could reach 51 by also winning CA and WA (and they may not need Rossi in WA, Don Benton is down only 48-40 to Murray in latest Rasmussen, despite much lower name ID).

And they may not need to actually win 10 seats, if they can win 9 and get to 50-50, they might be able to get Lieberman to caucus with them.

Jon0815 on April 14, 2010 at 11:58 AM

These are party guys. They are used to big government ways. Given what’s coming down the pike economically, why would they want to be anywhere near the US Senate? Nobody is going to get any thanks for dealing with what’s coming.

trigon on April 14, 2010 at 11:58 AM

And they may not need to actually win 10 seats, if they can win 9 and get to 50-50, they might be able to get Lieberman to caucus with them.

Jon0815 on April 14, 2010 at 11:58 AM

yeah but you have to ask yourself if we really want both houses of Congress under the GOP name.

If we win the house and have a strong minority in the Senate then we can stop obama’s polices.

With full control of congress Obama will run against congress in 2012 much like Clinton did. with the Senat ein dem hands he has less options to do that and the GOP can run on a platform of regaining the Senate and WH to repeal Obamacare and other idiot bills passed since 2006

unseen on April 14, 2010 at 12:04 PM

I would vote for you.

sammypants on April 14, 2010 at 11:55 AM

RINO! ;)

MadisonConservative on April 14, 2010 at 12:04 PM

So why do we have to go with the tried and not-so-true. Surely there has to be a buding ‘Scott Brown’ somewhere in those states. If a relative unknown can win in Massachusetts, then it’s possible anywhere else.

docdave on April 14, 2010 at 12:04 PM

You know, no one ever heard of Scott Brown not too long ago. What’s wrong with finding the best, though unknown, candidates in each state and getting their faces out there with a solid message? Call me crazy, but it’s worked before.

Jim-Rose on April 14, 2010 at 12:05 PM

Wall sounds like a good guy, I’ll have to ask my family and friends if they heard of him if not I’ll let them know.

Doughboy on April 14, 2010 at 11:39 AM

It’s hard to enter WI politics you have to be in the know. With Milwaukee and Madison being liberal as they are you have to be clean they’ll pick you apart and if you have baggage forget about being elected. A lot of it has to do with Name recognition though.

Brat4life on April 14, 2010 at 12:15 PM

George and Rudy are two of a kind. They tease us and tease us but never perform. I’m sick to death of the both of them and so is most of upstate

Mr. Grump on April 14, 2010 at 12:23 PM

Was really hoping Pataki and Kudlow would challenge Gillibrand and Schumer in NY… This is the opportunity of a generation to clear out the NY caucus, and both are vulnerable to a known challenger… And you can’t get to 51 without a NY seat, especially with Dodd’s CT seat returning to the Dem column

phreshone on April 14, 2010 at 12:25 PM

The GOP missed at least one and likely two opportunities to move the Senate into their control in 2011. It looks almost impossible for that to happen now, and it was a long shot even with Thompson and Pataki in these races.

Isn’t part of the reason for the existence of the NRSC to FIND candidates to run for Senate seats? What? Is Ayatollah Cornyn too busy defending his Charlie Crist endorsement and waffling around appealing ObamaCare that he couldn’t go out find ANYONE to run for these two seats?

Hey … NRSC! You can’t win if you don’t play!

Hell – let’s just blame it on the unwashed masses in the Tea Party! It must be thier fault for being racist extremists which prevented Cornyn from doing his job here.

There’s always an excuse for the Republican establishment.

Oh by the way – we lost FL-19 last night too.

Blowout for the GOP in November?

Don’t count on it. If it can be screwed up somehow – they’ll do it.

HondaV65 on April 14, 2010 at 12:27 PM

Senator Paul Ryan (R-WI)?

Emperor Norton on April 14, 2010 at 12:31 PM

What in the world does it say about the state of the Republican party when they cannot identify a potential candidate to replace George Pataki? Does it take name recognition to sell fiscal conservatism, smaller and less intrusive government? We are doomed.

ne0365 on April 14, 2010 at 12:33 PM

Maybe Ryan is feeling a little ambitious in Wisconson?

Daemonocracy on April 14, 2010 at 12:41 PM

Dick Leinenkugel (beer fame) is running against Feingold as well. Interesting considering his was Doyle’s sec of commerce.

Adamski on April 14, 2010 at 12:55 PM

New York deserves Gillibrand just like they do Schumer, Rangel, Massa and that HACK Weiner.

They will go down in flames while the union thugs fan the flames and the city goes the way of Rome. I left there way before the writing was on the wall and it is a shame what a fiscal mess that once great city was.

Until the citizens there vote these anti-business, anti-freedom, liberty hating hack, boss tweed thugs out of office, it will remain a political sewer. But, sad to say, they won’t. They keep voting them back in over and over and over like masochists.

Opposite Day on April 14, 2010 at 12:56 PM

I like Tommy Thompson. Whatever you think of him politically, he’s a good man.

capitalist piglet on April 14, 2010 at 1:12 PM

Thompson told The Associated Press on Wednesday morning that he hadn’t made up his mind on whether he’ll enter the race. He says,

“The only person who knows what I’m going to do is myself and I don’t know what I’m going to do.”

God knows, Tommy. ;-)

Put Him first and you’ll be ok.

David2.0 on April 14, 2010 at 1:17 PM

I, like others here, wonder why the hesitancy to find and/or push new political blood. These are opportune times to ride the anti-incumbent wave and get new people into the mix. The NRSC had better lead or get the hell outta the way!

search4truth on April 14, 2010 at 1:23 PM

Anybody know anything about Sean Duffy in Wisc.? I heard Palin endorsed him.

ohiobabe on April 14, 2010 at 1:26 PM

I like Tommy Thompson. Whatever you think of him politically, he’s a good man.

capitalist piglet on April 14, 2010 at 1:12 PM

Same goes for Russ Feingold. Doesn’t mean either of them will do this country any good as Senators.

MadisonConservative on April 14, 2010 at 1:31 PM

Pataki has one disadvantage as a Senate candidate. Your ideal Senate candidate is young. Under the seniority rules, the longer a Senator stays, the more influential hse becomes. Pataki might be able to serve five terms. Someone younger might be good for nine or ten.

njcommuter on April 14, 2010 at 1:36 PM

I don’t think Thompson has any ambition to do this. Why would he? He would be a one-term junior senator with no influence. He would be there to simply vote and travel back to Wisconsin every weekend.

I think challenging for another term at Governor is more likely.

neobadger on April 14, 2010 at 1:47 PM

Sorry, the polls might show a strong Pataki, but believe me, conservatives in NY have not forgotten what a disaster he was for the GOP brand in Albany. YOU do not want Pataki in the senate. I bet Pataki’s internal polling showed that his 12 year tenure as governor is not very popular with Republican voters in the state. He provided a serious assist with the “3 men in a room” political model that lead to some of the worst wheeling and dealing in bi-partisan fashion ever seen in Albany. I would rather have a light weight Democrat like Gillibrand representing us than a true RINO like Pataki, who Democrats like to bring up as a weak example of Republicanism.

piglet on April 14, 2010 at 2:09 PM

What’s really pissing me off is no one is even trying to challenge Chucky Schmucky! What, they can’t even put up token resistance?
This Gillibrand stuff is so pathetic its sad really.

And I blame Pataki and Rudy for doing nothing to deepen the Republican/Conservative bench during their tenures. They could’ve brought up alot of right thinking pols,but no. We get Lazio and that turncoat lib from Nassau.

Iblis on April 14, 2010 at 2:28 PM

Ed Morrissey: “The GOP missed at least one and likely two opportunities to move the Senate into their control in 2011. It looks almost impossible for that to happen now, and it was a long shot even with Thompson and Pataki in these races.”

…Just don’t evah forget that Michael Steele SWAGGA!!! /s

Lockstein13 on April 14, 2010 at 2:28 PM

Sorry, the polls might show a strong Pataki, but believe me, conservatives in NY have not forgotten what a disaster he was for the GOP brand in Albany. YOU do not want Pataki in the senate. I bet Pataki’s internal polling showed that his 12 year tenure as governor is not very popular with Republican voters in the state. He provided a serious assist with the “3 men in a room” political model that lead to some of the worst wheeling and dealing in bi-partisan fashion ever seen in Albany. I would rather have a light weight Democrat like Gillibrand representing us than a true RINO like Pataki, who Democrats like to bring up as a weak example of Republicanism.

piglet on April 14, 2010 at 2:09 PM

+1000

Mr. Grump on April 14, 2010 at 3:22 PM

Ed.. repeat after me….

Politicians like mobsters will always protect the system and the system will alway protect them. R and D don’t really matter.

roflmao

donabernathy on April 14, 2010 at 3:26 PM

MadisonConservative on April 14, 2010 at 11:38 AM

Why do I get the feeling the “other office” will be governor? After all, we have freshly-ex-Commerce Secretary Dick Leinenkugel (appointed by Jim “Craps” Doyle and operating like Doyle, right down to being neck-deep in the Talgo dirty deal and numerous failed “attempts” at keeping companies in Wisconsin) running for Senate.

steveegg on April 14, 2010 at 4:04 PM

I like Tommy Thompson. Whatever you think of him politically, he’s a good man.

capitalist piglet on April 14, 2010 at 1:12 PM

Same goes for Russ Feingold. Doesn’t mean either of them will do this country any good as Senators.

MadisonConservative on April 14, 2010 at 1:31 PM

You obviously have not followed Feingold in his political career. His “nice guy” image is entirely a work of fiction from his campaign team.

steveegg on April 14, 2010 at 4:06 PM

Those who understand what’s happening across this country have correctly recognized that neither Pataki nor Thompson are what is needed….hair color be damned! Both tended to the RINO side when it came to the nut cutting. And Mitt is sadly not much better.

tomshup on April 14, 2010 at 4:09 PM

Senator Paul Ryan (R-WI)?

Emperor Norton on April 14, 2010 at 12:31 PM

Maybe Ryan is feeling a little ambitious in Wisconson?

Daemonocracy on April 14, 2010 at 12:41 PM

That’s not happening this year, and it’s been officially off the table since at least May 2009.

steveegg on April 14, 2010 at 4:47 PM

I really like this guy. One of Feingold’s campaing offices pays their rent to Wall Properties. I love it.

sammypants on April 14, 2010 at 11:56 AM

Of course, Wall has also donated to just about every Democrat of note here in Wisconsin, from Jim “Craps” Doyle (WEAC/HoChunk-For Sale) to Tammy Baldwin (D-Madistan). OTOH, he is rather-heavily courting the Tea Party crowd.

steveegg on April 14, 2010 at 5:44 PM

Anybody know anything about Sean Duffy in Wisc.? I heard Palin endorsed him.

ohiobabe on April 14, 2010 at 1:26 PM

Duffy is one of two Republicans looking to unseat Dave Obey in the 7th Congressional District.

steveegg on April 14, 2010 at 5:46 PM

Why does Ryan want to be stuck in the House? It’s a dead-end for talent like his. Is he shooting to be Speaker in 2024?

Lou Budvis on April 14, 2010 at 6:29 PM

They’re damn crony Rinos, interested in protecting their own hides. Why would they want their records as big government statists exposed? Put a fork in ‘em.
Randy

williars on April 14, 2010 at 9:28 PM

WTF is it with Republicans? When Democrats saw how much trouble Sen. Torricelli (D-NJ) was in, they dredged up Lautenberg from the crypt to hold the seat. Yet with great shots to pick up seats in New York and Wisconsin, we’re getting this cr@p.

olesparkie on April 15, 2010 at 8:01 AM