O’Reilly to Tom Coburn: What’s your problem with Fox News? Update: Shadegg responds

posted at 9:28 pm on April 13, 2010 by Allahpundit

We all knew it was coming and now here it is. Those hoping this would achieve the giddy insanity of an O’R/Geraldo screamfest will be disappointed, but it has its moments. The biggest surprise: Coburn didn’t do his homework. He had to know that O’Reilly would challenge him to name an instance when someone on Fox claimed that refusing to buy insurance under O-Care would mean jail time. You missed a lay-up, TC! October 7, 2009:

REP. JOHN SHADEGG, R – ARIZ.: Well, the problem is that in August (INAUDIBLE) a bill that might fine us, and now we’ve discovered that the bill has criminal penalties.

VAN SUSTEREN: How’s — I mean, like, in what way? I mean, if I don’t do something under the bill, I could get charged criminally?

SHADEGG: What the bill says is that this is a tax. If you don’t buy health insurance and you don’t by government-approved health insurance, then they will impose a tax on you and they told you how much the tax was. But unfortunately, the code says that if you don’t pay the tax, that’s a misdemeanor, and we can fine you more, in this case, an additional $25,000. And on top of that, we can put you in jail for up to a year.

So the bill that we’re all upset about in August because we thought it had some fines it if people didn’t buy the government-approved health insurance, we now discover has an additional $25,000 in fines and jail time.

That’s from an interview segment titled, er, “Health Insurance or Jail?” In Greta’s defense, it’s not like the possibility of prison was some far-out conspiracy theory: Obama and Pelosi were both asked about it months ago, when the bill was still taking shape, and both conspicuously declined to say “no way.” Damned wingnut propagandists!

Update (4/14): Congressman Shadegg has released this statement accusing me of implying that he was wrong about jail time for ObamaCare. I didn’t think that I had implied any such thing. I explicitly said that it was an issue “when the bill was still taking shape” and that Pelosi and Obama had both refused to rule out jail time when pressed on it. But here’s Shadegg’s statement.

For the record, Senator Tom Coburn’s (R-OK) claim that it was irresponsible for the Fox News Channel to say or suggest that, under the Democrats’ health care reform bill, people who refused to buy government approved health insurance could be jailed, was flat wrong. In fact, under both the original House and Senate bills jail time was possible. Senator Coburn should have checked his facts.

Under the bill which passed the House a penalty of up to a year in jail could have been imposed. And a similar provision remained in the Senate bill and was not removed until media attention was focused on this outrageous provision by the Fox News Channel and others. (See H.R. 3962, Sec. 501 at p. 303; Finance Committee Markup of America’s Healthy Future Act, Section 1301 at p. 50; 26 USC. Sec 7201; 26 USC Section 7203).

Yesterday, a blog was posted by Allahpundit on Hot Air that included an excerpt from my October 7, 2009 interview with Greta Van Susteren on the Fox News Channel discussing health care. During the segment, I raised the point that Americans could face criminal penalties for failing to meet Congress’s new mandate to purchase health insurance or pay a fine. Here’s my exact quote:

“…If you don’t buy health insurance and you don’t by government-approved health insurance, then they will impose a tax on you and they told you how much the tax was. But unfortunately, the code says that if you don’t pay the tax, that’s a misdemeanor, and we can fine you more, in this case, an additional $25,000. And on top of that, we can put you in jail for up to a year.”

In the blog on Hot Air, Allahpundit implied that I was wrong and that my statement was inaccurate. In fact, my statement was correct. (See H.R. 3962, Sec. 501 at p. 303; Finance Committee Markup of America’s Healthy Future Act, Section 1301 at p. 50; 26 USC. Sec 7201; 26 USC Section 7203).

That criminal penalties including jail time were could be imposed for violation of law was also confirmed on September 25, 2009, by the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation’s Chief of Staff Tom Barthold: “violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty under the Senate proposal.” See letter from Tom Barthold to Sen. Ensign dated September 24, 2009.

In addition, on November 5, 2009, the Joint Tax Committee, in a letter to Congressman Dave Camp, confirmed that individuals could even face a felony under the House health care bill – “punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” The version of the Democrats’ health care bill that passed the House on November 7, 2009 included this jail provision.

We often hear Members of Congress openly admit that they didn’t know what was in the Democrats’ 2000+ page health care bill before it came to the floor for a vote. However, for those of us who read the bills carefully, I can tell you that the town hall attendee was absolutely right to be concerned about the threat of jail time. In fact the potential for jail time was in both bills and was only removed from the bill enacted into law by the media attention focused on this outrageous provision by the Fox News Channel, myself and others.


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Lame

metric on April 13, 2010 at 9:34 PM

Tool Box.
Both of them.

HornetSting on April 13, 2010 at 9:37 PM

Goofus!

mobydutch on April 13, 2010 at 9:41 PM

Coburn is yet another one who doesn’t know what’s in the bill.

John the Libertarian on April 13, 2010 at 9:43 PM

O’Reilly is a nice person. Right, Coburn?

SouthernGent on April 13, 2010 at 9:43 PM

My least favorite interview was when O’Reilly interviewed Anthony Weiner (D-NY) … or when anyone interviews Weiner.

The guy is perfectly suited to for politics as a Democrat – loud mouth, lying, POS.

VibrioCocci on April 13, 2010 at 9:43 PM

Why does he have a bee up his butt about Fox? For an MD, he’s kind of dim. I think he watches CNN and MSNBC to get his news. He’s a politician, after all.

AUINSC on April 13, 2010 at 9:44 PM

Can we call them totalitarians now?

jukin on April 13, 2010 at 9:46 PM

No one knows what’s in the bill. No one cares. The whole health care industry is just running along on inertia waiting for the money to run out, or for someone from the government to show up and tell them to stop doing what they’re doing, or start doing something they’re not.

It’s just like sitting in a 747, looking out the window and seeing the wings fall off. You know what’s going to happen, and all you can do is sit and wait for the pain to start.

Skandia Recluse on April 13, 2010 at 9:47 PM

Alla,

Your “lay up” is nothing more than a GUEST saying you could get jail time. That is NOT what Colburn said. He said it like Fox News was pushing it and their hosts were saying that. Alla, that “lay up” of yours turned out to be a brick.

bucsox79 on April 13, 2010 at 9:47 PM

I already hated O’Reilly. Tom Colburn has lost all my respect.

suzyk on April 13, 2010 at 9:47 PM

I just want to register my appreciation here, AP. Thank you for watching O’Reilly, So We Don’t Have To.

Coburn has long been much more of a maverick than The Mav (McCain). He actively resists groupthink, and just has the personality type that automatically sees an priori fealty to Fox News as group think. That personality type is really annoying to a lot of people. It can also lead you into emphasizing the principle of curmudgeonly independence over the common sense of accommodation in the smaller things.

The way I like to look at it is that Fox dies have Shep Smith and Geraldo, so there’s every possibility it’ll get things wrong from time to time. All have won here, and all shall have prizes.

J.E. Dyer on April 13, 2010 at 9:48 PM

Coburn is yet another one who doesn’t know what’s in the bill.

John the Libertarian on April 13, 2010 at 9:43 PM

Exactly. And boy does it show. He’s really not doing himself any favors here at all. Being clueless is not attractive. Sounds almost like a RINO concern troll…not saying he is one, but that is how he comes off here.

AUINSC on April 13, 2010 at 9:49 PM

I really like Dr. Coburn and appreciate what he is doing to hold the line on government spending. His contributions to the “health-care” debate were well-considered. BUT he seemed to miss the point about what O’Reilly was pointing out. Singling out Fox News for criticism is the tactic of the Left and does not further the good work that he is trying to do.

O’Reilly is just a tool. He doesn’t listen to what his interview subject has said when he does his follow-up point. He seemed to be more worried about he and his own program are viewed.

I don’t care what Nancy Pelosi is like personally. Politically she is a ruthless liar and manipulator. How could anyone, even the gentlemanly Dr. Coburn, have respect for the ethically-challenged, Machiavellian Pelosi is beyond my understanding.

onlineanalyst on April 13, 2010 at 9:50 PM

I seriously wanted to punch him in the face during this interview. He came across as condescending, and weak, even though his voting record is solid.

Back off Fox News, it may not be the best news (all TV news is crap), but it is ALL we have.

Daemonocracy on April 13, 2010 at 9:50 PM

Reilly couldve done more to challenge the notion that Nancy Pelosi is nice. Look at some of her quotes. Look at things she has said about us; those who disagree with her. She demonizes them. So NO she isnt a nice person. Shes a dragon lady sent from hell, along with her daughter to terrorize us.

bucsox79 on April 13, 2010 at 9:50 PM

Both of these guys were busy trying to make themselves look good, and they FAILED.

mobydutch on April 13, 2010 at 9:52 PM

If the IRS is enforcing the purchase of insurance as part of the tax code, and you don’t pay your taxes…jail is some distance away but I think it may be a real, if remote, possibility.

If only jailtime for not buying the insurance was the worst possibility for this monster from the blue (la) goon.

IlikedAUH2O on April 13, 2010 at 9:53 PM

O’Reilly had him sweating. It was a stupid comment. Coburn should’ve just retracted.

RandyHaddock on April 13, 2010 at 9:53 PM

Wow…Coburn has said so many good things…

But he keeps repeating the ‘We that believe in Limited government, blah..blah…’ talking points….

He really looked like a politician….one that was lying to you…

BigWyo on April 13, 2010 at 9:54 PM

He seemed to be more worried about he and his own program are viewed

O’Reilly seemed to be more worried about how he and his own program are viewed by Coburn.

FIFM

onlineanalyst on April 13, 2010 at 9:54 PM

I think Bill meant what FNC personality was spreading the propaganda.Greta simply asked the question, and the segment was titled appropriately. It was not a FNC employee making the claim. Also , go be the example a few years down the road and see what happens. Coburn screwed up, gave the other side propaganda and then played a lame game of CYA. If FNC ran biz as usual, and the other outlets were trying to be objective he would have a point. As it is he looks like a pandering idiot. Still like the guy.

Southernblogger on April 13, 2010 at 9:55 PM

Fox News (and Bill O’Reilly in particular) has always had this odd martyrdom complex.

It always turns critcism of itself into news. It’s one thing when the White House does it (that is news), but O’Reilly goes after bloggers and pundits who criticize him. For the top rated host on cable news to go after any perceived slight is just weird.

YYZ on April 13, 2010 at 9:55 PM

Two guys politely drive-by parsing each other while pretending to be stand up guys. What was resolved here besides air time and a photo-op?

ontherocks on April 13, 2010 at 9:55 PM

Southernblogger on April 13, 2010 at 9:55 PM

Exactly. Youd think someone who regularly writes on a blog like this could see that. I think its because, Alla chose not to see it. Or perhaps, he just didnt get it which is just as sad.

bucsox79 on April 13, 2010 at 9:58 PM

Always remember this about these scumbags — Senators in particular: Coburn has more in common with Crazy Aunt Nancy than he has with his most conservative constituent.

Jaibones on April 13, 2010 at 9:58 PM

COBURN…………..EVERYTHING WRONG WITH THE GOP!!!

Talks sense on occasion then as quick as you think any of them deserve praise they completely do a 180 and have you shaking your head thinking…..”Gutless”, “Cowards”, “Minority Party forever”.

Remember Coburn he’s the one that went down to FLORIDA for his buddy McCain that sealed the nomination for our favorite “Maverick” RINO.

PappyD61 on April 13, 2010 at 9:58 PM

Coburn is full of pride and much too condescending to admit any fault. This is just another example of D.C. mentality.

mobydutch on April 13, 2010 at 9:58 PM

Greta simply asked the question, and the segment was titled appropriately.

Come on. Aren’t we being a little bit naive? The Daily Show addressed this a few years ago.

YYZ on April 13, 2010 at 9:59 PM

Dr. Coburn…

… heal thyself.

Seven Percent Solution on April 13, 2010 at 10:01 PM

I like Coburn, but during the health care debate and summit, he was playing like the other side had the best interest of the American people in mind. Naive?

d1carter on April 13, 2010 at 10:02 PM

You missed a lay-up, TC! October 7, 2009:

That interview was discussing the Bill that passed the House.

That Bill did have jail terms in it.

uknowmorethanme on April 13, 2010 at 10:03 PM

Two black holes in a bar comparing event horizons.
Randy

williars on April 13, 2010 at 10:03 PM

Come on. Aren’t we being a little bit naive? The Daily Show addressed this a few years ago.

YYZ on April 13, 2010 at 9:59 PM

Allahp is a Daily Show correspondent?

Stephen M on April 13, 2010 at 10:03 PM

Those hoping this would achieve the giddy insanity of an O’R/Geraldo screamfest will be disappointed,

The screamfest was at my house. We were all yelling at Coburn.

redridinghood on April 13, 2010 at 10:03 PM

Coburn obviously was thinking of O’Reilly, Hannity and/or Beck when he made his statement about the ‘jail time’ claim – he couldn’t back it up because trotting out Greta’s name just doesn’t fan the flames of Fox News anger the way the Big Three do, so she didn’t even enter into his thought process (hell, Krauthammer generates far more anger from the elected class in D.C. and the political left than Van Susteren does, and he doesn’t even have his own show).

Of course, come the general election season after Labor Day, it’s not like Coburn’s going to be trotting over to MSNBC to get his message out for the midterm elections, or do it on at least two-third of the shows on CNN, where the “Nancy Pelosi is a nice lady” line would work, but most of Tom’s other positions wouldn’t be handled as kindly. So my guess is he patches things up with the Fox people over the next few months.

jon1979 on April 13, 2010 at 10:05 PM

The screamfest was at my house. We were all yelling at Coburn.

redridinghood on April 13, 2010 at 10:03 PM

Well, when you are losing huge Conservative cred points to O’Reilly, you took a wrong turn somewhere.

AUINSC on April 13, 2010 at 10:08 PM

The one thing that BO and Coburn have proven recently is that neither is willing to take a firm, unflinching, principled stand. Each one is covering vulnerabilities, real or imagined.

ontherocks on April 13, 2010 at 10:10 PM

Come on. Aren’t we being a little bit naive? The Daily Show addressed this a few years ago.

YYZ on April 13, 2010 at 9:59 PM

I am not sure if you are being serious or joking. She raised a legit question based on what she was hearing. I have been over there for years, and Greta is not Republican. She got chapped after Hillary got done away with, and is not an Obama fan, but she is not some hysterical right-winger by any means.

Southernblogger on April 13, 2010 at 10:14 PM

While OReilly did not achieve much by defending himself as Mr. Wonderful with the highest ratings on Fox, Coburn exposed himself as a true blue politician. Thank you, Coburn, you are full of mumbo jumbo.

mobydutch on April 13, 2010 at 10:15 PM

I have been over there for years, and Greta is not Republican

I’m not saying she is. But her show certainly leans right. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

YYZ on April 13, 2010 at 10:17 PM

Mr. Coburn, you to can be replaced.

Knucklehead on April 13, 2010 at 10:17 PM

jon1979 on April 13, 2010 at 10:05 PM

He had to be going after Beck. I vote Republican very reliably,and cannot stand his boogie man crap. Iwould have bet he would finger Beck.Too gutless, or Beck is slicker than whale chit.

Southernblogger on April 13, 2010 at 10:17 PM

Coburn came accross as a real weasel in the interview with OReilly. He seemed unsure of himself.

MCGIRV on April 13, 2010 at 10:19 PM

Oh, BIG DEAL.

So Coburn goofed up. Get over it.

Talk about a petty non-issue.

nickj116 on April 13, 2010 at 10:20 PM

Mr. Coburn, you to can be replaced.

Knucklehead on April 13, 2010 at 10:17 PM

Wow, that’s brilliant. You want to replace one of the most consistently Conservative members in the Senate b/c he made a mistake in dissing Fox News.

nickj116 on April 13, 2010 at 10:23 PM

Oh, BIG DEAL.

So Coburn goofed up. Get over it.

Talk about a petty non-issue.

nickj116 on April 13, 2010 at 10:20 PM

Agree a thousand percent. Every O’Reilly interview boils down to “….and that’s what I think of me. What do you think of me?”

Marcus on April 13, 2010 at 10:24 PM

I’m not saying she is. But her show certainly leans right. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

YYZ on April 13, 2010 at 10:17 PM

Her show is not enamored with liberalism as it used to be. The question was legit and reasonable based on what she was being told.

Southernblogger on April 13, 2010 at 10:24 PM

Oh, BIG DEAL.

So Coburn goofed up. Get over it.

Talk about a petty non-issue.

nickj116 on April 13, 2010 at 10:20 PM
Not too petty when a leading “supposed conservative” starts bashing his “supposed own side” at a townhall meeting. Read David Limbaugh’s column about this issue.

mobydutch on April 13, 2010 at 10:25 PM

Thank you, Coburn, you are full of mumbo jumbo sh!t.

mobydutch on April 13, 2010 at 10:15 PM

FTFY.

Jaibones on April 13, 2010 at 10:26 PM

Jaibones on April 13, 2010 at 10:26 PM Thank you, jaibones, I like your term better.

mobydutch on April 13, 2010 at 10:28 PM

Look, Coburn is full of sh!t here. If the IRS is the enforcement mechanism (which anybody who’s even glanced at the headlines knows it is by now) then yeah…severe penalties, including jail time, will be the punishment. How Coburn thinks that will not be the case is inexplicable…except that he’s just taking the Dems word for it. That is, by definition, stupid.

AUINSC on April 13, 2010 at 10:29 PM

mobydutch on April 13, 2010 at 10:25 PM

The National Journal ranked him the 6th most Conservative senator last year, as far as his voting record goes. THAT’S what matters to me.

If he was 38th and making occasionally dumb comments, that would bother me.

But these people on here saying to replace him are incredibly dumb.

nickj116 on April 13, 2010 at 10:29 PM

The Pelosi remark seemed unsolicited in Coburn’s original remarks. If you are a conservative first, why mention her in any manner other than UTTER CONTEMPT?

ontherocks on April 13, 2010 at 10:30 PM

The Pelosi remark seemed unsolicited in Coburn’s original remarks. If you are a conservative first, why mention her in any manner other than UTTER CONTEMPT?

ontherocks on April 13, 2010 at 10:30 PM

Because we don’t demonize the person. We demonize the policies.

So yes, I’m sure Coburn has utter contempt for her policy stances. That he likes her as a person doesn’t bother me.

For crying out loud, Hannity and Olbermann went to a Yankee game together!

nickj116 on April 13, 2010 at 10:33 PM

Coburn was not cohesive. He came across like a cranky and incontinent old man. The host, contrary to his nature, was actually well-mannered.

Schadenfreude on April 13, 2010 at 10:33 PM

Too icky to clicky .
So did Coburn tell Bill’O if we will go to jail or not if we don’t buy Hussain approved health-ration cards?

macncheez on April 13, 2010 at 10:34 PM

Speaking of cranks – Sen. Nelson is eating crow, big time, on Greta.

He’s a ‘dead’ guy walking. His career is OVER.

Schadenfreude on April 13, 2010 at 10:36 PM

Apparently, it wasn’t enough that Dems and the Obama regime targeted Fox News as biased. Now we have Coburn backing them up. In a nation where academia, entertainment, news media and unions are promoting a leftist agenda, only some talk radio shows and Fox News are presenting the alternative view. Thanks, Coburn.

NNtrancer on April 13, 2010 at 10:37 PM

macncheez on April 13, 2010 at 10:34 PM

No, he was telling bill that Fox was misrepresenting the bill…he was saying that going to jail if you don’t buy ObamaCare was a ‘misrepresentation’ of the bill. It was pretty infuriating watching Bill’O look like the conservative.

It must be something in the water up there at the Senate. It was a sad, sad performance by Coburn.

AUINSC on April 13, 2010 at 10:38 PM

Because we don’t demonize the person. We demonize the policies.

So yes, I’m sure Coburn has utter contempt for her policy stances. That he likes her as a person doesn’t bother me.

For crying out loud, Hannity and Olbermann went to a Yankee game together!

nickj116 on April 13, 2010 at 10:33 PM

When the policies in question are demonic, (please don’t make me list her offenses) I have no problem connecting a supposed rational representative with the demonic ideas that she espouses. And don’t include me in your “we”, groupthink is not one of my aspirations.

ontherocks on April 13, 2010 at 10:41 PM

Does anyone need anymore proof that they ALL need to be scrutinized on whether they are worthy or being re-elected.

Do the Dems have something on him? Or is he wanting to be invited to the DC cocktail parties?

PrincipledPilgrim on April 13, 2010 at 10:41 PM

Both of these guys were busy trying to make themselves look good, and they FAILED.

mobydutch on April 13, 2010 at 9:52 PM

Spot on!

Gang-of-One on April 13, 2010 at 10:44 PM

The Pelosi remark seemed unsolicited in Coburn’s original remarks.

ontherocks on April 13, 2010 at 10:30 PM

Exactly right. The very mention of this nasty b!tch in the first place was a weird and pointless one. I don’t care that he gets along with the Speaker — he’s not even in the House, so he doesn’t suffer her machinations. So why bring her up if you know it can do nothing but raise the ire of your audience.

I hate to say this about Coburn, but it was really stupid.

Jaibones on April 13, 2010 at 10:44 PM

Coburn came accross as a real weasel in the interview with OReilly. He seemed unsure of himself.

MCGIRV on April 13, 2010 at 10:19 PM
When Coburn was lecturing at the townhall meeting last week, he was confident. I always liked Coburn, but he exposed a trait that was very questionable.

mobydutch on April 13, 2010 at 10:45 PM

Sen why in hell don,t you try the truth.It goes like this .I screw up and put my foot in my mouth i don,t know what i was thinking of course nancy is not a nice person and Fox news is the best News org. out there.Tonight Sen you just dug the hole your in a little deeper.

thmcbb on April 13, 2010 at 10:45 PM

Does anyone need anymore proof that they ALL need to be scrutinized on whether they are worthy or being re-elected.

Do the Dems have something on him? Or is he wanting to be invited to the DC cocktail parties?

PrincipledPilgrim on April 13, 2010 at 10:41 PM

You said it brother (or sister, no offense), everyone bears scrutiny going forward. If we have learned nothing else, most politicians don’t share our agenda.

ontherocks on April 13, 2010 at 10:48 PM

thmcbb on April 13, 2010 at 10:45 PM Yep!!

mobydutch on April 13, 2010 at 10:49 PM

Some more things i forgot to say Sen.Nancy said these things Rep want to starve children take SS away from the elderly denied health care to single mothers. Tea party people were acting like Nazi.Now i ask you Sen.again is she a nice person?

thmcbb on April 13, 2010 at 10:52 PM

Some more things i forgot to say Sen.Nancy said these things Rep want to starve children take SS away from the elderly denied health care to single mothers. Tea party people were acting like Nazi.Now i ask you Sen.again is she a nice person?

thmcbb on April 13, 2010 at 10:52 PM
Yep!!

mobydutch on April 13, 2010 at 10:55 PM

Yep!!

mobydutch on April 13, 2010 at 10:55 PM

Hey, mobydutch, try to be a little more concise and cut to the chase, you’re a wee bit verbose.
Why do I get the feeling I know what’s comin’?

ontherocks on April 13, 2010 at 11:00 PM

Tom Coburn, unfortunately, is a lightweight.

He doesn’t respect his constituents.
He makes assumptions about them, that they are hayseed, ignorant people who simply spout what they’ve heard on FoxNews.

All the conservatives I know, as a business owner, in Oklahoma are very knowledgeable about the issues, so for Coburn to talk down to us, to label us, is not fair. How does he know we haven’t checked other sources to inform our opinions?

He is not very knowledgeable about the Constitution, and it shows.

Hey Coburn, if you don’t pay your taxes, you are put in jail. The enforcement arm of ObamaCare is the IRS. It was a legitimate question.

Mark7788 on April 13, 2010 at 11:11 PM

If you don’t want to get burned, know what you’re talking about. Suzyk, even my young daughters were taught to not use the word hate. And the rest of you punks that can’t stand the truth would do well to just watch reruns of Gilligan’s Island – it would be of as much use to you.

LarryG on April 13, 2010 at 11:14 PM

He is not very knowledgeable about the Constitution, and it shows.

Hey Coburn, if you don’t pay your taxes, you are put in jail. The enforcement arm of ObamaCare is the IRS. It was a legitimate question.

Mark7788 on April 13, 2010 at 11:11 PM

With his obvious lack of insight,(as an MD, mind you) and condescension to the voters, being a faux conservative is not enough.
And I would not be very confident if I were his patient.

ontherocks on April 13, 2010 at 11:19 PM

It must be something in the water up there at the Senate. It was a sad, sad performance by Coburn.

AUINSC on April 13, 2010 at 10:38 PM

The reason I am so curious about his answer is because of the new wave of ” information for the community on our president’s new healthcare for the American people ”
which is being readied to hit us in a few days.
Its been getting done by the same race based “community” orgs which get funds from the government. The basic line of campaign will be this :

No one will be put in jail if they don’t buy HI.
If you are poor, Obama will give you health insurance with government money , so you’ll be OK.
The new bigger IRS will make sure that the rich pay their fair share so that the government can give healthcare to everyone .
Those who refuse to do so will be jailed . Its not about people not buying HI and going to jail. Its about putting the rich in jail if they don’t buy their insurance and pay for everyone else’s HI too.
. ”

Frankly I’d like someone to ask Coburn what to call a woman who calls CIA to be liars, TEA partiers to be astroturfers and illegals aliens to be patriots ( to name just a few).

macncheez on April 13, 2010 at 11:20 PM

Frankly I’d like someone to ask Coburn what to call a woman who calls CIA to be liars, TEA partiers to be astroturfers and illegals aliens to be patriots ( to name just a few).

macncheez on April 13, 2010 at 11:20 PM

Scumbag would be too kind, give me some time and I’ll try to excavate the appropriate profile.

ontherocks on April 13, 2010 at 11:26 PM

ontherocks on April 13, 2010 at 11:00 PM ok

mobydutch on April 13, 2010 at 11:29 PM

Let’s hope that Sen. Coburn takes some time to read HotAir and learns from the experience. He obviously did not learn from his town hall one.

onlineanalyst on April 13, 2010 at 11:36 PM

Handle your personal problems on your own time, Bill. You’re not the story.

Ronnie on April 13, 2010 at 11:40 PM

mobydutch on April 13, 2010 at 11:29 PM

Please try to get yourself under control, cut back on the caffeine and back away from the sharp objects, and just hold on til help gets there. It’s gonna be OK.

ontherocks on April 13, 2010 at 11:45 PM

the rule of law no longer applies to this nation. The rulers are making it up as they go along.

total chaos.

unseen on April 13, 2010 at 11:50 PM

He’s proud to be a dumbass from Muskogee…

TexasJew on April 13, 2010 at 11:56 PM

I loved that Inhofe came out and said she wasn’t a nice lady.

silvernana on April 14, 2010 at 12:49 AM

We all got it wrong ladies and gentlemen.
Coburn didn’t say ” Nancy Pelosi is a nice lady”
he actually said
” Nancy Pelosi has nice lady parts ”
We all didn’t hear it because we are duds
/
;-)
And he knows

macncheez on April 14, 2010 at 2:13 AM

I watched this segment – Coburn does not appear to be the brightest bulb on the tree. Can’t Oklahoma do better?

kmarie on April 14, 2010 at 5:43 AM

The biggest joke in this…Fox “News” or as I call it the Bin Talaal Network–fueled by Saudi money!

Examples…

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BobAnthony on April 14, 2010 at 6:44 AM

Senator Coburn, you need to respect your base at the townhall meetings and remember that your base watches FOX. Thanks to whomever got this on tape.

yoda on April 14, 2010 at 7:39 AM

Why didn’t Sen. Coburn try to pin it on Beck?

Because the next day would be:

‘Today on the Glenn Beck show, we have Sen. Tom Coburn… and if we can’t get him, well if he sees us spreading lies then he has our telephone number which will go to Red Phone #2!’

Yes, it would be do your homework and put-up… or shut-up… much better to have BOR taking a bite out of you from the all-squish zone then actually have to show up on GB’s program having to be prepared.

ajacksonian on April 14, 2010 at 7:53 AM

What does this tell me? Coburn is jockeying for the moderate position. Why? He’s going to run for POTUS. Why is he doing this? He’s made the horrible mistake of listening to clueless GOP advisers and consultants. They’re telling him he needs to be perceived as a centrist. DD

Darvin Dowdy on April 14, 2010 at 8:17 AM

I would like Coburn fans to explain to me the difference between Nancy and Bernie Madoff? Does Coburn think Madoff is a swell fella?

wheelgun on April 14, 2010 at 8:18 AM

What do you know, its the dhimmi health care bill: Get with the program or pay money.

DavidM on April 14, 2010 at 8:21 AM

“we have to win on the real facts of an issue”

That’s the funniest thing I’ve heard one of these congressional republican leaders say in a while. Does that mean tom will start explaining how barry is a fascist? Will tom ask the justice department to start investigating schumer and frank? These repubilcans don’t care about the facts, they are as bad as the democrats in avoiding the truth. They don’t want truth out there because if the citizens knew the truth these weak, pathetic, dishonest republican leaders would be swept away by the same uprising that would free us of the foul, nasty leftists like his good freind nancy. So I guess liars and crooks are good people in your world, tom.

peacenprosperity on April 14, 2010 at 8:27 AM

Can we call them totalitarians now?

jukin on April 13, 2010

Of course not. Those words incite violence, don’t you know.

Extrafishy on April 14, 2010 at 8:39 AM

Coburn is yet another one who doesn’t know what’s in the bill.

John the Libertarian on April 13, 2010 at 9:43 PM

Yes, you silly twit. He didn’t vote foe it either! Do you always open your mouth to criticize without thinking? There is no way he or anyone else could know what was in the bill, after the way it was stuffed by the democrats.

Coburn is one of the few champions we have in the senate. What the hell are you jumping on him for?

Old Country Boy on April 14, 2010 at 8:47 AM

Are any of you critical posters old enough to drive. You give Hot Air and conservatives a bad name. You complainers of Coburn, considering the knee jerk pile on and lack of originality, should either grow up or stop identifying with the Conservative causes – or just zip it.

Old Country Boy on April 14, 2010 at 8:53 AM

Tony Blankley urges that now is not the time for “profiles in caution” by Republicans: http://article.nationalreview.com/431279/no-more-profiles-in-caution/tony-blankley

onlineanalyst on April 14, 2010 at 11:14 AM

The problem with this was Coburn’s desire to paint an individual that asked a question with the brush of being under the influence of ‘the false propaganda of Fox News’.

Last year there were at least 8 different versions (commitee, merged, and final) of the health care bill. Some of them did have provisions to massively fine and jail people for not getting insurance. As versions were merged, different parts were changed. Expecting everyone to be completely ‘up to speed’ on every issue is simply unrealistic.

While the signed version calls for the IRS to collect money from a taxpayer for not buying insurance, it is still unclear how the IRS determines what parts of a tax return are to be paid first and what part would constitute an unjailable fine for non-compliance with health care.

As another example of something unclear, would someone that only paid enough in taxes to cover this new health care charge, and then ticks off the box to donate to election campaigns, be subject to a fine?

Freddy on April 14, 2010 at 12:52 PM

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