Matthews: Obama and Democrats haven’t sold the benefits of the social state

posted at 8:48 am on April 8, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Consider this one of those moments that are inadvertently revealing … or maybe not all that inadvertent.  Chris Matthews and his panel put their finger on why Democrats seem to be so unpopular these days.  Could it be because they insisted on passing a huge, expensive precursor to a government takeover of a sixth of the American economy, one which has been deeply unpopular for months?  No, that can’t be it.  Matthews and David Corn decide that the real problem is that the Democrats haven’t explained all of the wonders of the “social state” to benighted voters.  Greg Hengler grabs the moment for Townhall:

MATTHEWS:  The problem is that we don’t think in terms of what would the country be like if we didn’t have Medicare for our parents as they get very old — in their eighties, for example, when they’re still alive, and they need health care, a lot of it.  And they don’t have any source of income.  They’re not working every morning.  They’re not making a paycheck.  What would it be like in this country?  Calcutta? Poor people all over the place? Old people lying in the streets?  I mean, we don’t think about what it would be if we didn’t have health care, if we didn’t have Social Security for people at the age of 65, if we didn’t have unemployment compensation, if we didn’t have a progressive income tax.  There’s a lot of things we don’t think about.  And the right-wing just pounds and pounds away at this idealistic notion of a cowboy country, everybody self-reliant.  I think the progressives, for all their power on the blogosphere, have not done a positive case for the advantages of some kind of a social state.

CORN:  Well, Obama hasn’t, either.

Perhaps Matthews doesn’t recall this, but America existed before Medicare, and it wasn’t Calcutta West. America before Social Security wasn’t colonial India, either. Instead of relying on government entitlements, people planned for their retirements and paid for their own medical care. Those days were far from perfect, but they didn’t threaten to bankrupt the nation through unsupportable entitlement spending based on Ponzi-scheme financials, either.

If Matthews and his Democrats intend on selling the “social state” to skeptical Americans, they’ll have to do better than those examples. Unfortunately, those are the best arguments that socialists have to offer. (Transcript via Rush Limbaugh)


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Matthews: Obama and Democrats haven’t sold the benefits of the social state

There are no benefits to the social state. There are always strings attached; much like deals with the devil.

jimmy2shoes on April 8, 2010 at 8:51 AM

If Calcutta West offends Chrissie, he should know that the majority of America finds becoming Cuba North infinitely more offensive.

beatcanvas on April 8, 2010 at 8:52 AM

people in Lunenburg county VA are living on their $300/mo Social Security check. they never saved because they never wanted to live above & beyond the $300/mo standard of living. their children never went to college, these people never owned a business.

these people have never paid taxes either.

so the Dems don’t need to sell this monstrosity to this demographic. this bunch is thrilled that they can sit around & get more from me.

kelley in virginia on April 8, 2010 at 8:53 AM

No Sale on the unicorns and rainbows….?

color me as not surprised.

ted c on April 8, 2010 at 8:53 AM

It’s always the same with lefties.

“We need to find words of one syllable that the sheeple will understand. Then they will be soooo grateful for what we, the smarter people, are doing for them.”

It’s never the content of the message. That can’t change.

Wethal on April 8, 2010 at 8:53 AM

I’m just waiting for them to start calling each other comrade.

“Comrade Corn, the socialist state … it is good, no?”

“Yes comrade Matthews, and the democrats must do a better job of telling Americans the wonders of the socialist state”.

darwin on April 8, 2010 at 8:54 AM

but this bunch that sits around & wants my money will find the VAT a big shock because while that will bankrupt American business, it will also cost these people more for their TVs, Wii games & tattoos.

kelley in virginia on April 8, 2010 at 8:55 AM

I’m sorry but I’m more concerned about my children and grandchildren living and dying poor and in the streets.

TXUS on April 8, 2010 at 8:55 AM

Social state = socialism. Why doesn’t the racist Chris Matthews just come out and admit he’s a socialist? Why is he afraid of that label?

if we didn’t have Medicare for our parents as they get very old — in their eighties, for example, when they’re still alive, and they need health care, a lot of it

Sorry racist Chrissy, but the new death panels will determine that if you are 1) old and 2) in need of lots of health care then Dear Liar will only authorize a pain pill. Just ask the Haranguer-in-chief’s health care adviser, Ezechiel Emanuel.

rbj on April 8, 2010 at 8:56 AM

Gee, you used to get severance pay when you were let go from a job. Since the employer is paying for unemployment its no mystery why they don’t anymore.

DavidM on April 8, 2010 at 8:56 AM

I think the progressives, for all their power on the blogosphere, have not done a positive case for the advantages of some kind of a social state.

Well, just provide a current European example, Chrissy. A country with a high standard of living, fiscally sound government and economy and a free, happy and productive people.

Wethal on April 8, 2010 at 8:56 AM

How would “progressives” have time to do that AND spread lies and slander about America and conservatives?

And play their warehouses full of race cards.

So much to do, so little time.

NoDonkey on April 8, 2010 at 8:57 AM

Let’s start the “social state” by capping their salaries.

petefrt on April 8, 2010 at 8:57 AM

“I think the progressives, for all their power on the blogosphere, have not done a positive case for the advantages of some kind of a social state.”

Why yes Chris, progressives certainly fail at explaining the positive side of cradle to grave dependency—such a shame.

Rovin on April 8, 2010 at 8:58 AM

Ah the progressives … so concerned, so caring. Why were would we be if not for the selfless, elitist progressives looking out for us?

I only wish I could give more money to the government … but then again, I’d starve. I don’t have much left after taxes.

darwin on April 8, 2010 at 9:00 AM

The libs never mention the huge amount of money that is confiscated from your parents over their working life. That amount alone would pay for their retirement, health care, and a whole lot more if the government would have just allowed them to keep what they earned.

Wine_N_Dine on April 8, 2010 at 9:02 AM

idealistic notion of a cowboy country, everybody self-reliant.

duh!

not idealistic in the least you little maroon…

cmsinaz on April 8, 2010 at 9:02 AM

Matthews is simply totally fearful that someone or something may require him, in the future, to become self-reliant. He views that as an impossible situation.

Yoop on April 8, 2010 at 9:03 AM

There are so many cases of socialism being hugely successful across the globe. Just look what it has done for Greece!

Daveyardbird on April 8, 2010 at 9:04 AM

Matthews is right up there with the object of his sick, homoerotic dreams, President Smegma. Entirely predictable and decidedly unwatchable.

Extrafishy on April 8, 2010 at 9:06 AM

Why not phase out socialist security over the next 10 years?

Keep everyone on it at their current level until they die off but decrease it by 10% every year for the next 10 years for those 10 years out from getting into it and decrease ss taxes by 10% over the next 10 years and tell people: start saving now (or get close to you’re nuclear family members and have them prepare to take care of you; or start making friends who’ll let you stay with them; or get close to a charitable organization; or get become a member of a church who’ll provide for you)?

What did people do before socialist security?

And where is it in the Constitution?

BowHuntingTexas on April 8, 2010 at 9:06 AM

The thing that really irks me about people like that is they never credit taxpayers for WHAT WE’RE ALREADY DOING.

Our taxes DO pay for:
Medicare
Medicaid
Social Security (and “crazy checks”)
Unemployment benefits
Food stamps
Public Housing and Section 8 vouchers
Farm aid
College tuition
Welfare
SCHIP
…………

But, to liberals like Matthews, we only get credit for the NEXT big idea we’re willing to pay for. If not, then we’re greedy bums who don’t give a whit about the poor…and we’re racists to boot!

jeanneb on April 8, 2010 at 9:07 AM

This appears to be the new narrative for the Dems and media(I know, I’m being redundant). The public(at least 60-70% of it) is too dumb to understand how great the Obama agenda is.

What’s amazing to me is how the end result of statist policies is staring these morons right in the face(Greece, California), yet they continue to insist that what we need is more big government and entitlements.

Doughboy on April 8, 2010 at 9:10 AM

I have no problem with someone who is open and honest with their belief system. If these tools believe in socialism let them fight for it openly so we can have an honest debate.

Socmodfiscon on April 8, 2010 at 9:10 AM

You mean “Benefits” like those nifty Death Panels, Chrissie?///

kingsjester on April 8, 2010 at 9:11 AM

People lying in the streets in Calcutta is one of the reasons that India has started embracing capitalism. China has modified it’s Marxist principles to embrace the useful elements of capitalism and still oppresses the not-useful elements of it’s population. So has and does Russia. Socialism only works in modified form in Europe and sooner or later it will not work there either…in fact, several of the EU members are already starting to bring down the rest. Hugo’s days are numbered and Cuba, like N. Korea, is dead but seems not to have figured it out. I don’twant to live in the kind of country Obama wishes to build. I want to live in the unique and resourceful USA where everyone has a chance to succeed..or fail…on their own their own merit. Maybe most people don’t consciously see it this way , but in their gut they know that we need to keep this the best country ever.(sorry for the length)

jeanie on April 8, 2010 at 9:11 AM

Bowhunting:
You can phase out SS benefits for the young, but you can’t phase out the taxes. Those taxes pay for the “already retired” and those about to retire. Those people relied on the SS promise. Now that they’re not working, no one would support taking it away. (Maybe for the rich).

That’s the bind younger taxpayers face. We should start a personal savings plan for them, but they first have to pay for their elders because the government has already spent all the money older people put into the system.

Bernie Madoff probably admires them.

jeanneb on April 8, 2010 at 9:11 AM

I see no benefit in draping myself with chains and living on my knees while Fruitbat Waxman tells me how to live.

Bishop on April 8, 2010 at 9:11 AM

They think if only they can come up with the right lie and they just haven’t found the right lie yet.

Feh.

perries on April 8, 2010 at 9:11 AM

Social state = serfdom

obladioblada on April 8, 2010 at 9:12 AM

Maybe Chrissie can explain what the difference is between socialism and a ‘social state’. And why he and the other lefty MSM types got their knickers in a twist when Sarah Palin mentioned the S-word in connection with Obama during the 2008 presidential campaign.

Nah.

ProfessorMiao on April 8, 2010 at 9:13 AM

I notice John F. Kennedy didn’t sell those benefits either, Chris.

Again, I would love to be a fly on the wall the day someone musters the courage to explain to Chris that his hero JFK was murdered by a communist.

With these people it’s layers upon layers of self-deception.

jeff_from_mpls on April 8, 2010 at 9:13 AM

Obooba needs to make more speeches, only this time dumb them down a bit, will ya? People just aren’t getting it.

Akzed on April 8, 2010 at 9:15 AM

If 47% dont pay fed tax, how can we afford the social state, Chrissy?

ORconservative on April 8, 2010 at 9:19 AM

Bowhunting:
You can phase out SS benefits for the young, but you can’t phase out the taxes. Those taxes pay for the “already retired” and those about to retire. Those people relied on the SS promise. Now that they’re not working, no one would support taking it away. (Maybe for the rich).

That’s the bind younger taxpayers face. We should start a personal savings plan for them, but they first have to pay for their elders because the government has already spent all the money older people put into the system.

Bernie Madoff probably admires them.

jeanneb on April 8, 2010 at 9:11 AM

Then give those currently on socialist security a lump sum payment of what they’re expected to get over their estimated life time (78?) out of the remaining 800B bailout and say “you’re on your own”.

And end SS security.

BowHuntingTexas on April 8, 2010 at 9:19 AM

Transaltion: Progressives need to do a better job lying about their motives.

Anyone else ever notice that Corn looks a lot like a shaved chimp? I always have a hard time getting past that in order to hear what he has to say.

joedoe on April 8, 2010 at 9:20 AM

Matthews and David Corn decide that the real problem is that the Democrats haven’t explained all of the wonders of the “social state” to benighted voters

There are no wonders of the “social state” to explain, just as there is no definitive evidence for AGW. Libs have their statist dreams (involving command and control of our lives), but never have the evidence to back up their reasoning for going there.

ya2daup on April 8, 2010 at 9:23 AM

Social state = serfdom

obladioblada on April 8, 2010

Yes, this is self-evident. What I don’t understand yet is how the ruling class intends to stay the ruling class. It will require the elimination of free/fair elections because the serfs (us) will eventually tire of our burden and attempt to replace the rulers with representatives. Are they counting on vast national ignorance or something more sinister?

Extrafishy on April 8, 2010 at 9:23 AM

And when the ‘benefits’ don’t sell I guess we just follow history and it’s onto the old standby of tyrants, guns and gulags, to solve the ‘sales’ problem.

tarpon on April 8, 2010 at 9:24 AM

Rush was on this yesterday

OmahaConservative on April 8, 2010 at 9:24 AM

Socialism eventually equals Be Productive or Die.

Socmodfiscon on April 8, 2010 at 9:25 AM

For most of us, we simply look to the history of socialist government experiments throughout the ages, digest such information and apply common sense. We look at the socialist experiments right here in our own country; New York, California, Michigan, and other states that have been under Democrat-Liberal-Progressive control for a decade or longer. Once again, we apply common sense. Why would we apply a system of government that has bankrupted huge economies right before our eyes?

Someone needs to ask Chrissy to give his viewers one good example of where-when this ideology has worked successfully. These creeps really are stupid!

Keemo on April 8, 2010 at 9:25 AM

The Big Lie just isn’t big enough for them.

Greek Fire on April 8, 2010 at 9:26 AM

America existed before Medicare, and it wasn’t Calcutta West

ed exhibits his vast knowledge of the history of US healthcare and its costs.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2010 at 9:28 AM

I grew up in the 1960s, and I remember what this country was like before Medicare:

– We took care of our parents when they got old. My family had both living grandparents staying with us periodically until their deaths, and when they were able to live independently we sent them money, as did their other adult children. My grandfather was a merchant who came to this country penniless in 1900, opened a small store, sent two sons to college, and actually saved money for his own retirement without any help from the government! Imagine that! And he even survived massive discrimination and bigotry because he was a Jew in the Old South, without a huge “civil rights” bureaucracy looking out for him.

– My father was a doctor and took care of everyone, regardless of their ability to pay or their age. It was called “The Hippocratic Oath.” Sometimes he would get paid $5 a month for two years. Sometimes he would get a basket of fresh vegetables. I even had a quilt on my bed made by a patient of his in lieu of cash. Often he would just tear up the bill. We didn’t have a ton of money as a result, but we got by just fine. Our small town of 60,000 had three non-profit hospitals and nobody went without care. My dad worked hard and loved what he did. He was respected and loved in our community in return.

Here’s what happened after Medicare:

– People stopped taking care of their own parents and elderly relatives. After all, the government was doing it now, why should we sacrifice our family vacations and bigger homes and second and third cars?

–The IRS told doctors they could not write off medical bills anymore unless they tried to collect three times. So my dad had to hire an accountant and a secretary (my mom handled his billing before that.) He had to nearly double his rates to pay for all this. Thanks, Government!

– Doctors saw the government gravy train and jumped on it, ordering unnecessary treatments and hospital stays for old people. Doctors got richer and nobody got healthier, and Medicare spending skyrocketed way past what was projected in 1965.

–Malpractice lawsuits became the rage in the 1970s. My dad was sued after he SAVED a patient who had a cardiac arrest during surgery and ended up with brain damage. He lost his malpractice coverage entiorely for a short time and could not work at all, then he finally found another carrier and his rates doubled again to pay for the $100,000 a year policy (yes, that was $100,000 in 1975 folks. More than his annual income at that time.)

– More recently, the huge runup we have seen in health care costs and insurance premiums is a DIRECT result of the government continuing to ratchet down reimbursements for Medicare. Doctors and hospitals have to make up these losses, so the rest of us pay more. This was also entirely predictable.

The Medicare regulations and reimbursement schedule now have more pages than the entire Internal Revenue Code. Medicare pays less than half of most charges nowadays, and in many cases it takes weeks to get paid. This is why more and more doctors are refusing to accept Medicare patients.

Medicare is a DISASTER which has RUINED our health care system. It turned doctors into accountants, absolved an entire generation of responsibility to take care of our parents, and led to massive overuse of health care and cost-shifting inot the rest of the population.

rockmom on April 8, 2010 at 9:29 AM

The Social State is Great! … until the bill comes due.

mankai on April 8, 2010 at 9:29 AM

notion of a cowboy country, everybody self-reliant.

Oh…so self-reliance is being a “cowboy” now. It isn’t learning to take care of ones self, accepting responsibility for ones actions.

This country was not founded on a socialist principle, it was founded on everyone pulling their own weight. Since when has being self reliant become a bad thing?

positive case for the advantages of some kind of a social state.

Why doesn’t Chris move to China to have his positive “social state” bliss. I mean, if he is so enamored with social state programs, one would think that he would just jump at the chance to surround himself with the number one social state champion. What do they have to offer…religious persecution, low wages, no freedom of speech, internet censorship, no political dissent, and human rights violations. Yeah….such utopia from social state thinking.

Patriot Vet on April 8, 2010 at 9:30 AM

Two things I can easily live without ……

1. Chrissy Matthews
2. Help from the government.

One I can switch off, the other of late is being forced down my gullet.

fogw on April 8, 2010 at 9:31 AM

Time is coming for drastic changes. California and New York are on the verge of collapse with debts that dwarf the GDP of large European countries. Medicaid, medicare, Social Security, the Post Office are all teetering on the edge of solvency as well. Something is going to blow.

Alden Pyle on April 8, 2010 at 9:31 AM

Matthews loves to play repeatedly the tape of the black congressman walking through the crowd of the Tea Party and the one guy supposedly “spitting” on him but it looks like he was just yelling which has Chris Matthews saying how rude it was anyway to be “yelling and spittling” which is amusing coming from Chris Matthews.

Marcus on April 8, 2010 at 9:31 AM

Matthews: Obama and Democrats haven’t sold the benefits of the social state

That would be because they do not exist. And David Corn for advice? Really? The guy is a communist and has been forever.

thomasaur on April 8, 2010 at 9:32 AM

What I don’t understand yet is how the ruling class intends to stay the ruling class. It will require the elimination of free/fair elections because the serfs (us) will eventually tire of our burden and attempt to replace the rulers with representatives. Are they counting on vast national ignorance or something more sinister?

Extrafishy on April 8, 2010 at 9:23 AM

Right now, marginally more than half the households carry the burden. In a few years, I expect the number paying for it all will be less than half. And then you won’t get rid of it until the system implodes. When a majority is mooching off a minority, the majority is going to keep voting in those who will maintain the system that feeds them.

ProfessorMiao on April 8, 2010 at 9:32 AM

notion of a cowboy country, everybody self-reliant

That sounds good to me.

thomasaur on April 8, 2010 at 9:33 AM

ed exhibits his vast knowledge of the history of US healthcare and its costs.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2010 at 9:28 AM

Here’s a news flash for ya ……. Many of us are capable of surviving without government interference. Self-reliance, it’s a good thing.

fogw on April 8, 2010 at 9:35 AM

“Center-left country with a center-right media that consistently misinforms people about the peril of debt, deficits, and tax increases.”

Priceless.

redridinghood on April 8, 2010 at 9:36 AM

Yes, this is self-evident. What I don’t understand yet is how the ruling class intends to stay the ruling class. It will require the elimination of free/fair elections because the serfs (us) will eventually tire of our burden and attempt to replace the rulers with representatives. Are they counting on vast national ignorance or something more sinister?

Extrafishy on April 8, 2010 at 9:23 AM

I’m paraphrasing Machiavelli here but, people who are set free after being under slavery are like domesticated cattle. They wait around not really knowing what to do with their new found freedoms until someone else comes along and puts them back in the corral. For example, Russia. Putin has basically become the new Czar and he’s putting the “people” back in the corral they’ve been accustomed to since way back when.

It’s very easy to corrupt people with “free” stuff – e.g. socialist security (bankrupt), medicare / medicaid (bankrupt), fredie mac / mae (bankrupt), sally mae (soon to be bankrupt), the new health care plan (digging our hole even deeper). As long as it’s “free” a lot of people just don’t care about the consequences – e.g. all the current reports of people calling in to insurance companies and HR departments asking “where’s my “free” health care?”

We’ve become domesticated cattle.

And past the point of knowing what freedom really is.

BowHuntingTexas on April 8, 2010 at 9:39 AM

everybody self-reliant

That was once the definition of America.

publiuspen on April 8, 2010 at 9:42 AM

Personal responsibility is wayyyyy over-rated.

search4truth on April 8, 2010 at 9:44 AM

I love how these guys (and many of the trolls here) think their interlocutors are arguing from anarchism.

I guess it’s easier than thinking.

DrSteve on April 8, 2010 at 9:45 AM

And I know I’m in the minority…but I would have no problem with the concept of eliminating Social Security. Hell, the money is going to be gone long before I would get “my fair share” anyways. Might as well get the painful part over with while we still have a country.

search4truth on April 8, 2010 at 9:46 AM

Here’s a news flash for ya ……. Many of us are capable of surviving without government interference. Self-reliance, it’s a good thing.

fogw on April 8, 2010 at 9:35 AM

tell that to our farmers.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2010 at 9:46 AM

“Center-left country with a center-right media that consistently misinforms people about the peril of debt, deficits, and tax increases.”

Priceless.

redridinghood on April 8, 2010 at 9:36 AM

I nearly fell out of my chair when Rush recited that quote from Katrina vanden Heuvel yesterday. I don’t think I ever heard so many lies in just one sentence before.

Uber-Delusional.

fogw on April 8, 2010 at 9:46 AM

We shouldn’t let them get away with the “social state” business. Just tell them to finish their thought: the socialist state.

There Goes The Neighborhood on April 8, 2010 at 9:48 AM

tell that to our farmers.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2010 at 9:46 AM

If govt got the hell out of the way with their regulation and inheritance taxes family farming would thrive. As it is corporate farming rules the day becuse the have the lobbyists.

thomasaur on April 8, 2010 at 9:49 AM

tell that to our farmers.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2010 at 9:46 AM

And here we see the game plan. Screw up every pricing signal in sight, and then hopelessly compromise everyone with the receipt of government aid. Then tell people they’re hypocrites if they don’t want the next group so compromised.

DrSteve on April 8, 2010 at 9:51 AM

becuse s/b because

thomasaur on April 8, 2010 at 9:53 AM

tell that to our farmers.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2010 at 9:46 AM

OMG, the government is wasting money? Thanks, but I already knew that.

fogw on April 8, 2010 at 9:53 AM

petefrt on April 8, 2010 at 8:57 AM

Good point. Congressional Salaries should be capped at the average wage in their states. Maybe then they will worry about the free market and stop trying to destroy prosperity.

chemman on April 8, 2010 at 9:55 AM

ed exhibits his vast knowledge of the history of US healthcare and its costs.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2010 at 9:28 AM

ses exhibits his/her vast knowledge of persuasive argumentation.

chemman on April 8, 2010 at 10:00 AM

Here’s a news flash for ya ……. Many of us are capable of surviving without government interference. Self-reliance, it’s a good thing.

fogw on April 8, 2010 at 9:35 AM

tell that to our farmers.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2010 at 9:46 AM

Can someone take you to an emergency room, sport? You shot yourself in the foot with your “evidence”.

ya2daup on April 8, 2010 at 10:01 AM

tell that to our farmers.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2010 at 9:46 AM

Mr. Filburn already got the message.

DrSteve on April 8, 2010 at 10:03 AM

Don’t forget the permanent double-digit unemployment and attendant labor riots and hostage-taking of Europe. Social(ist) state. Yum!

JKahn913 on April 8, 2010 at 10:04 AM

I think Chris Matthews is not as well versed in international history as he thinks he is. During my travels in India, I have been to Calcutta – it happens to be the capital of a state called West Bengal which has been under the rule of India’s Communist party for more than 30 years. Union related issues abound in this city and the work culture is totally shot. So Chris, the next time you open your mouth – please, please look into the inconvenient facts.

peter_griffin on April 8, 2010 at 10:11 AM

So Chris, the next time you open your mouth – please, please look into the inconvenient facts.

peter_griffin on April 8, 2010 at 10:11 AM

When Matthews opens his mouth it is usually to change feet.

thomasaur on April 8, 2010 at 10:12 AM

thomasaur on April 8, 2010 at 10:12 AM

LOL. I still can’t believe that, in defense of socialism, he offered the negative example of a city which has fallen into abysmal depths *because* of socialism.

peter_griffin on April 8, 2010 at 10:17 AM

And the right-wing just pounds and pounds away at this idealistic notion of a cowboy country, everybody self-reliant.

I though we were doing just fine for nearly 200 years before the Liberals got their stinking paws into my piggy bank.

uknowmorethanme on April 8, 2010 at 10:22 AM

Um, Chrissy, can you tell us who runs the social state?

Could it be, uh, I don’t know, socialists?!?

/church lady

Kafir on April 8, 2010 at 10:23 AM

The benefits of the social state? Just ask Obama and the rest of the African-American community.
Worked just fine…/sarc

cyclown on April 8, 2010 at 10:26 AM

My favorite part is the fact that he has a Communist on the show to talk about why the Democrats can’t sell Communism, and he fails, miserably.

uknowmorethanme on April 8, 2010 at 10:26 AM

ed exhibits his vast knowledge of the history of US healthcare and its costs.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2010 at 9:28 AMsesquipedalian /blockquote>

This is too easy. Ses resorts to being a smart alack, contributing nothing of substance to the issue.

scalleywag on April 8, 2010 at 10:27 AM

Where Matthews et al. have failed…HA trolls have succeeded in persuading me every day that the social state is to be loved.

Having a right mind is so emancipating.

Keep voting democrat!

daesleeper on April 8, 2010 at 10:28 AM

[..insert usual tingly leg comment here]

VoyskaPVO on April 8, 2010 at 10:33 AM

Medicare is vastly different from Medicaid. That’s the problem.

Even my good friend who is on Medicaid absolutely avoids healthcare visits if she can. It is the epitome of government control methods. It’s insulting. It’s ridiculous.

AnninCA on April 8, 2010 at 10:49 AM

Barry Obama and his Dem henchmen couldn’t even sell his own U.S. Senate seat, so it’s no surprise they cannot sell people on this.

Christien on April 8, 2010 at 10:57 AM

Jim Jones tried a Social State down south. Americans say “we ain’t gonna drink the Kool Aid.”

Herb on April 8, 2010 at 11:10 AM

Here’s a news flash for ya ……. Many of us are capable of surviving without government interference. Self-reliance, it’s a good thing.

fogw on April 8, 2010 at 9:35 AM
tell that to our farmers.

sesquipedalian on April 8, 2010 at 9:46 AM

How does that link prove your point? We all know there are idiotic government subsidies to farmers (and non farmers). If you’re arguing that some of these farmers (and/or non farmers) could not survive without the subsidies, so what? If they can’t make it, then they shouldn’t be in the business of growing (or not growing) produce in the first place. But most of these farmers could survive without the subsidies, and many more of them could prosper and grow if the government would just get the hell out of the way and stop distorting the market.

AZCoyote on April 8, 2010 at 12:12 PM

Before perpetual government care you got sick , you paid for care or you died . Either way , you had no worries . We liked it that way , we liked it fine .

borntoraisehogs on April 8, 2010 at 12:24 PM

If Matthews and Corn deserve a blog post, then surely Ambrose Evans-Pritchard does, as well.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/7564748/Sovereign-debt-crisis-at-boiling-point-warns-Bank-for-International-Settlements.html

Kralizec on April 8, 2010 at 12:42 PM

The problem is that the liberal establishment has taught generation after generation that “government” is a superior replacement for personal responsibility, that individuals should consider only themselves, should be selfish (looking out for # 1),should accept the fact that they are their own little gods, etc. Therefore, the idea of taking care of family, of multi-generational families, of private organizations caring for the poor, of charity being one of the highest personal traits, has been “educated” out of so many of our population that they cannot comprehend anything other than a complete nanny-state or a 3rd world hell-hole like India.

P.S. Someone ought to educate Chrissy about the caste system in India which is directly responsible for so very much of what he finds abhorant about conditions in that country. A caste system that doesn’t exist in this country (although the dems are trying their absolute best to institute a 3-level system – The elite, the tax-payers and the government dependants.)

Fatal on April 8, 2010 at 12:43 PM

Bankruptcy and collapse being chief among them.

LOL…

Rae on April 8, 2010 at 12:47 PM

Gee, Matthews, just think about the numbers of aged French who died in a heat wave not all that long ago, when their self-centered families were cavorting on holiday, confident that the State would care for their parents.

Gee, Matthews, most of the Boomers have parents in that age cadre that you cite who would be bereft of care without Medicare. Of course, having a sense of family and personal responsibility would alleviate much of the problem. In fact, if the children of these aged parents had not seen more and more of their income taken away by the State for every social program instituted since FDR, then maybe they could provide for their parents’ and their own health care through insurance choice and retirement investment.

I wonder how much Chrissie has ever expended on the care of his own parents.

onlineanalyst on April 8, 2010 at 12:50 PM

jeanie on April 8, 2010 at 9:11

Don’t apologize. Every point that you make is valid.

The problem with Matthews is that no one challenges his worldview with opposing opinions substantiated with examples and facts.

Matthews needs to be presented with details re the declining quality and limited options of health care in socialized countries, or multi-generations (here and abroad) who never break the bonds of enslavement through the dole. Such wards of the State are helpless, not self-realiant and resourceful. (Witness those who stayed behind in N.O., waiting for rescue.) An over-developed socialized State cultivates only two options for its passive citizens: Sit and wait OR Take from others.

Socialism kills problem-solving ability. Socialism kills healthy self regard. Socialism destroys the development of the sense of choice and consequence. Socialism infantilizes its citizenry.

Chances are very good that anyone of us posting here on HA gives more of personal time, effort, and money in charity to the truly needy in addition to what the State confiscates (and wastes through theft and bureaucracy) than Chris Matthews.

onlineanalyst on April 8, 2010 at 1:15 PM

Stephen G. Cecchetti, M. S. Mohanty and Fabrizio Zampolli of the Bank for International Settlements have made a projection showing that the United States as having public debt equal to 200% of GDP in 2040, even if the Congress freezes age-related spending at its current level relative to GDP and gradually reduces its deficit by making cuts in other budget classifications. Here is the report.

http://www.bis.org/publ/work300.pdf?noframes=1

See especially pages 9 and 10.

Kralizec on April 8, 2010 at 1:18 PM

They realize they can’t lie anymore. They can’t Joe the Plumber the entirety of the Tea Party movement. So, finally, they have to turn to trying to tell us that Socialism is a good thing. All I can say is, based on the reaction pre-election to then Sen. Obama telling Joe he wants to take from the rich to give to the poor that he “misspoke” and didn’t really mean what he meant to say, good luck with trying to spin it all to the positive now.

Moving right along….

Sultry Beauty on April 8, 2010 at 1:37 PM

Chris Matthews is one of those who thinks it’s “government money” that provides these wonderful social services.

PatMac on April 8, 2010 at 1:42 PM

Calcutta is a stinky $h!thole BECAUSE it is COMMUNIST

Calcutta, the capital of the state of West Bengal have both
always been ruled by MARXISTS.

Even when rest of India has an economy booming with a 10% growth of GDP, calcutta will always remain in the gutter.

macncheez on April 8, 2010 at 2:07 PM

Soon, we’ll be broke and the “old people” will be measured by their ability to service the state. It isn’t like we haven’t seen this before. What Matthews needs to look at is Russia, China, Germany and currently certain arguments being made in Europe over euthanasia of the elderly.

Then get back with us, knowing full well, he will soon be “elderly” and he is already useless.

archer52 on April 8, 2010 at 3:01 PM

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