Obama to impose peace plan on Israel?

posted at 1:36 pm on April 7, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

It’s refreshing in its own way to see Barack Obama embracing American imperialism.  Usually, Obama’s allies on the Left argue that the US has no business telling other countries how to manage their own affairs, and usually object to imposing our hegemony and Pax Americana on the rest of the world.  Dictating peace terms to Israel is apparently an exception:

“Everyone knows the basic outlines of a peace deal,” said one of the senior officials, citing the agreement that was nearly reached at Camp David in 2000 and in subsequent negotiations. He said that an American plan, if launched, would build upon past progress on such issues as borders, the “right of return” for Palestinian refugees and the status of Jerusalem. The second senior official said that “90 percent of the map would look the same” as what has been agreed in previous bargaining.

The American peace plan would be linked with the issue of confronting Iran, which is Israel’s top priority, explained the second senior official. He described the issues as two halves of a single strategic problem: “We want to get the debate away from settlements and East Jerusalem and take it to a 30,000-feet level that can involve Jordan, Syria and other countries in the region,” as well as the Israelis and Palestinians.

“Incrementalism hasn’t worked,” continued the second official, explaining that the United States cannot allow the Palestinian problem to keep festering — providing fodder for Iran and other extremists. “As a global power with global responsibilities, we have to do something.” He said the plan would “take on the absolute requirements of Israeli security and the requirements of Palestinian sovereignty in a way that makes sense.” …

A political battle royal is likely to begin soon, with Israeli officials and their supporters in the United States protesting what they fear would be an American attempt to impose a settlement and arguing to focus instead on Iran. The White House rejoinder is expressed this way by one of the senior officials: “It’s not either Iran or the Middle East peace process. You have to do both.”

Says who?  Iran isn’t building a nuclear weapon to benefit the Palestinians.  They’re doing it to control the region, and/or start a war that fulfills their messianic visions.  Iran having nukes has nothing to do with the border issues of the West Bank or the status of Jerusalem.  Linking the two ignores the threat that a nuclear Iran poses to the US and the global supply of oil, and not just Israel.

Obama is certainly welcome to propose a comprehensive peace plan.  He will have plenty of Oval Office company in that effort.  We have seen a number of such plans over the last 40 years, all of which ignore a central conflict: both the Palestinians and Israelis want Israel.  Until Palestinians give up the idea of armed conflict to seize the land on which Israel now sits, no peace plan created will resolve the standoff.

The tone of this effort, as expressed by David Ignatius, sounds different from previous administrations.  In fact, the final quote sounds perilously close to an ultimatum, at least in terms of our efforts to keep Iran from going nuclear.  What happens when Israel refuses to accept the Palestinian “right of return,” and scotches the deal?  Perhaps this interview with key Obama foreign-policy adviser Samantha Power from a few years back will give us a clue:


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I am beyond words with this fool.

nyx on April 7, 2010 at 2:45 PM

Can’t help but think of Daniel 9:27 when reading this stuff.

Otis B on April 7, 2010 at 2:50 PM

Maybe Obowma is actually the 12th Imam…?

Seven Percent Solution on April 7, 2010 at 2:52 PM

Looks like the non-meddling promise hits the trash heap.

BobMbx on April 7, 2010 at 2:54 PM

Looks like the non-meddling promise hits the trash heap.

BobMbx on April 7, 2010 at 2:54 PM

… like every other promise so far…

Not at all suprised of course…

Midas on April 7, 2010 at 2:55 PM

“British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain met with Adolf Hitler in Berchtesgaden and agreed to the cession of the Sudetenland. No Czechoslovak representative was invited to these discussions.”

Indonesian American President Barack Husein Obama met with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in Tehran and agreed to the cession of Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria. No Israeli representative was invited to these discussions.

MB4 on April 7, 2010 at 3:00 PM

I am constantly amazed that American Jews supported and still support Obama by wide margins.

jwolf on April 7, 2010 at 1:40 PM

American Jews are more concerned about being called racists than they are about the destruction of Israel

katiejane on April 7, 2010 at 3:02 PM

Study the latest Nuclear Posture Review in regards to this excerpt and Israels’ nuclear weapon status:

To that end, the United States is now prepared to strengthen its long-standing ‘negative security assurance’ by declaring that the United States will not use or threaten to use nuclear weapons against non-nuclear weapons states that are party to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and in compliance with their nuclear non-proliferation obligations.

Israel is not a signatory to the NPT, and does not admit whether or not it has nuclear weapons.

By definition, Israel is a legitimate target according to Obama. He puts them in the same status as North Korea.

Shalom (sp?)

BobMbx on April 7, 2010 at 3:04 PM

President with Muslim father who grew up in Muslim country hates Jewish state.

Never expected that one.

angryed on April 7, 2010 at 3:05 PM

Maybe Obowma is actually the 12th Imam…?

Seven Percent Solution on April 7, 2010 at 2:52 PM

You have no clout
You better not try
You better watch out, I’m telling you why.
Twelfth Imam is coming to town

Israeli dismemberment is on list
Will cut it up more than twice
Any good Muslims who die
Will go to meet virgins in paradise
Twelfth Imam is coming to town

He knows if you’re a Christian
He knows if you’re a Jew
He knows if you’re an in-fi-del
He’s been told by Allah what to do

So….You have no clout
You better not try, I’m telling you why.
Twelfth Imam is coming to town
Twelfth Imam is coming to town

Aleph on April 7, 2010 at 3:06 PM

What happens when Israel refuses to accept the Palestinian “right of return,” and scotches the deal?

I suppose one scenario is that Israel does Obama’s job and takes care of Iran, thus earning the unspoken thanks of its Arab neighbors while showing Obama for the fool that he is.

tgharris on April 7, 2010 at 3:06 PM

Hey fool in case you don,t know it Israel is not the 58th state.They elected there own leaders.When you say jump BB Netanyahu is not going to say how high.

thmcbb on April 7, 2010 at 3:12 PM

Otis B on April 7, 2010 at 2:50 PM

Yes indeed…the obamanation that causes desolation

lukespapa on April 7, 2010 at 3:13 PM

Pharaoh continues to try to enslave and rule over Israel! And was it me or this this women speak in total gibberish?

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on April 7, 2010 at 3:14 PM

When the Jews first began to return to the Holy Land Jerusalem was a village with 30,000 people, about half of who were Jews who had never left. The rest of the area was uninhabited land with just a few goat herders (nomadic tribesmen).

As the Jews returned there was a building boom and migrant workers came in from neighboring countries (Trans-Jordan, Egypt, Syria…). These are the ancestors of today’s Palestinians. Yasser Arafat was Egyptian.

On the very day the nation of Israel was established they were attacked simultaneously by five nations. That tiny nations could not have survived without divine intervention.

Later terrorist attacks started and Israel had some hard choices to make.
1. Kill all the Islamic people.
2. Put up with the terrorism and allow their own people to be killed.
3. Expel and the Islamic people from Israeli soil.

They opted to expel the so called Palestinians. It was the most humane option.

The home nations of these people refused to take them back and they became refugees, victimized by their own countries and religion.

If you want to impose a solution on the Middle East, begin by repatriating the Palestinians with their true home countries.

In retrospect the nations of Israel may very well regret not going for option 1, cruel and unthinkable as it was.

The Rock on April 7, 2010 at 3:15 PM

such issues as borders, the “right of return” for Palestinian refugees

They’re not “refugees.” They started a war and lost.

and the status of Jerusalem.

The status is that it’s the capital of Israel. Muslims only care about Jerusalem when somebody else is in charge.

The second senior official said that “90 percent of the map would look the same” as what has been agreed in previous bargaining.

No, that overly-loaded ship sailed in 2001.

Also, the “Palestinians” have nothing to offer. A promise of a cessation of violence is not a tangible provision.

“We want to get the debate away from settlements and East Jerusalem and take it to a 30,000-feet level that can involve Jordan, Syria and other countries in the region,” as well as the Israelis and Palestinians.

Good idea, Jordan is “Palestine.” Go set up your pet-project failed state over there, mr “Senior Official.”

mudskipper on April 7, 2010 at 3:15 PM

Maybe Obowma is actually the 12th Imam…?

Seven Percent Solution on April 7, 2010 at 2:52 PM

Your ideas intrigue me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

pseudonominus on April 7, 2010 at 3:16 PM

lukespapa on April 7, 2010 at 3:13 PM

What if the 62 “weeks” in Daniel started in 1948? This year could be a very interesting year.

Otis B on April 7, 2010 at 3:22 PM

I am constantly amazed that American Jews supported and still support Obama by wide margins.

jwolf on April 7, 2010 at 1:40 PM

Well, they sat and watched and waited for several million to be killed by Germany.
It is so ironic, now they sit by and watch their brothers be killed one by one…you would think they would have learned.

right2bright on April 7, 2010 at 3:38 PM

This is the oldest idea the Arabs have had since 500,00 Israel1 beat 14,000,000 Arabs 62 years ago. Internationalise the land of Israel. Then the oil wealth of the Arabs effectively decides everything with the USA’a Armed forces doing the Jew removal for them.The Arab’s target of targets is still Jerusalem.

jimw on April 7, 2010 at 3:39 PM

In any other universe abandoning your lone ally in the region and ceding to the other sides demands, hoping they’ll stop killing you, is called “surrender”. The Won seems to think that if he feeds Israel to the Islamic lions they won’t be hungry any more, and we poor Americans will finally be safe.

MTF on April 7, 2010 at 3:45 PM

It doesn’t matter what you give the Palestinians; this will not broker good will from Iran. They want to wipe Israel and the Jews off the map, period. The Palestinians are just convenient pawns.

And defense against Iran isn’t just in Israel’s interests – it’s in our own and the entire Middle East region as well.

redfoxbluestate on April 7, 2010 at 3:48 PM

We should let them solve that issue themselves and stay the hell out of it. Our focus should be on stopping Iran from developing nukes.

jonezee on April 7, 2010 at 3:52 PM

Impose upon Israel a surrender to genocide or else…

Obama’ll cut off support in the UN… oh… uh already did that?
Obama’ll make pronouncements encouraging Islamic violence against Jews… oh… uh already did that?
oh… uh already did that?
Obama’ll will humiliate the leadership of Israel to bully them… oh… uh already did that?
Obama’ll will cut off military aid… oh… uh already did that?

Obama’ll will threaten military action against Israel like his advisers suggest…

DANEgerus on April 7, 2010 at 3:54 PM

We should let them solve that issue themselves and stay the hell out of it. Our focus should be on stopping Iran from developing nukes.

jonezee on April 7, 2010 at 3:52 PM

Agreed…but staying the hell out of it would mean a complete cutoff of aid to both sides, which is about as likely to happen as man landing on Pluto at this point.

Dark-Star on April 7, 2010 at 3:56 PM

Can’t help but think of Daniel 9:27 when reading this stuff.

Otis B on April 7, 2010 at 2:50 PM

Or a prelude to Ezekiel 38

infidel4life on April 7, 2010 at 4:03 PM

Please please please mossad….

daesleeper on April 7, 2010 at 4:04 PM

Can’t help but think of Daniel 9:27 when reading this stuff.

Otis B on April 7, 2010 at 2:50 PM

Or a prelude to Ezekiel 38

infidel4life on April 7, 2010 at 4:03 PM

I am just about done reading all 5 of Rosenberg’s series...there seems to be the setting of a stage…

daesleeper on April 7, 2010 at 4:05 PM

The White House geniuses should take a minute to read Hamas’ charter and think about why Iran backs Hamas and not Abbas. Hint – one Jew is the Middle East is too many. A two-state solution is not going to mollify Iran (or Hamas, or Fatah, Hezbollah, Syria, or the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and Jordan).

ProfessorMiao on April 7, 2010 at 4:19 PM

It really is stunning the levels to which Obama will go. I mean, he is shameless. This guy is clearly used to always getting his way, and I wonder how much he’ll embarrass our country when Israel tells him to take a long walk off a short plank…especially after that stellar treatment at the White House.

search4truth on April 7, 2010 at 4:27 PM

Aleph on April 7, 2010 at 3:06 PM

We can all sit around a nice pig roast and talk it out.

daesleeper on April 7, 2010 at 4:34 PM

The White House geniuses should take a minute to read Hamas’ charter

ProfessorMiao on April 7, 2010 at 4:19 PM

Read it? They practice it!

Shy Guy on April 7, 2010 at 4:38 PM

A “right of return” for the Palis is a non-starter. It would mean the complete elimination of Israel.

The place they should return to is Jordan, the real Palestinian state.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on April 7, 2010 at 4:38 PM

Please please please mossad….

daesleeper on April 7, 2010 at 4:04 PM

Not sure I care for that implication.

WitchDoctor on April 7, 2010 at 4:46 PM

The left and the Obama administration simply cannot comprehend the fact that there ARE people in this world who hold their religious beliefs as more important than ANY other consideration. You would think that the number of muslims willingly blowing themselves up to prove that very point would eventually convince Obama and his ilk that, for some people, religion trumps everything else.

Muslim belief is that ANY land that has ever been under muslim control REMAINS muslim land, irregardless of who is currently “occupying” it. They will not and CAN NOT accept a permanent Israeli presence on “their” land. They may allow it for a period of time until they are strong enough to take it back, but they will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER permanently “accept” it. It would be a fundamental violation of a belief system they hold more dear than life itself.

There will never be a lasting peace in the Middle East until either Israel is destroyed, the Muslims are destroyed or God personally intervenes.

And no, Obama is not an adequate substitute for God, no matter how big his ego is, no matter how many halos the press displays around his head and no matter how many people worship him.

Fatal on April 7, 2010 at 4:47 PM

There will never be a lasting peace in the Middle East until either Israel is destroyed, the Muslims are destroyed or God personally intervenes.

Fatal on April 7, 2010 at 4:47 PM

#2 and #3 are likely to happen simultaneously.

infidel4life on April 7, 2010 at 5:20 PM

Please please please mossad….

daesleeper on April 7, 2010 at 4:04 PM
Not sure I care for that implication.

Neither do I. What does that mean, daesleeper, and whom is it directed against?

MTF on April 7, 2010 at 5:25 PM

Let’s just hope its not a seven year peace plan. We all know how that ends.

texasconserv on April 7, 2010 at 1:45 PM

HAHAHHAHAHA….not funny really but great post, the 7 year peace treaty is the best sign of the end.

royzer on April 7, 2010 at 7:45 PM

Message to fools in charge in the Executive branch…..

…….history is littered with those that have opposed Israel.

Please feel free to join the litter pile……but please don’t take us with you.

PappyD61 on April 7, 2010 at 7:57 PM

You know, this fool has made me feel sympathetic for both the Israeli and Iranian people by the way he has treated both in their quests for freedom.

PatMac on April 7, 2010 at 8:22 PM

Maybe Obowma is actually the 12th Imam…?

Seven Percent Solution on April 7, 2010 at 2:52 PM

Interesting thought… since every ounce of circumstantial evidence suggests he is a Muslim…

scotash on April 7, 2010 at 8:49 PM

Maybe Obama thinks he with be the Caliphate?

flameofjudah on April 7, 2010 at 8:55 PM

The other thing that bothers me is this was simply not a smart answer.

What kind of graduate comes from Berkeley these days?

scotash on April 7, 2010 at 9:05 PM

Please please please mossad….

daesleeper on April 7, 2010 at 4:04 PM
Not sure I care for that implication.

Neither do I. What does that mean, daesleeper, and whom is it directed against?

MTF on April 7, 2010 at 5:25 PM

Wow two Tom Daschles! Did he reproduce via binary fission after he was run from office?

daesleeper on April 7, 2010 at 9:31 PM

I cannot watch the video, just can’t. I say to myself “This too shall pass”. Only, gee, how many more years? Hey what year is this?

jollybird on April 8, 2010 at 2:17 AM

I am beyond words with this fool.

nyx on April 7, 2010 at 2:45 PM

What he said.

russcote on April 8, 2010 at 2:23 AM

great–2 minutes of Bambi talkers.Did either of them actually say anything?

DDT on April 8, 2010 at 3:12 AM

Crazy idea here…..

Is it possible that the Caliph really wants a CONFRONTATION with Israel?

Then he can use that confrontation to finally wedge the US /Israel relationship? What would most Americans think if the US Army was fighting the Israeli army?

Can you believe how backwards it sounds to believe that the US would be fighting on the same side as Hitler?

PappyD61 on April 8, 2010 at 8:26 AM

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