Dem congresswoman: There’s no requirement to buy insurance in ObamaCare

posted at 8:30 pm on April 7, 2010 by Allahpundit

A new one from CNS News, which continues to explore Democratic nuance about the individual mandate. Your instructor here is Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, whom you may remember for having once described the public option — which would ultimately undersell private insurers and force them out of business — as the, ahem, “competitive option.” She’s no stranger to Orwellian rhetorical parsing, in other words, as you’ll soon be reminded again. Her point here, I think, is that fining people for failing to buy insurance technically isn’t the same thing as requiring them to buy insurance. Don’t want to buy it? No problem — the government will simply take some of your money instead. It’s like saying you’re not “required” to pay your taxes because you can of course “choose” not to pay, in which case the IRS will simply garnish your wages and put a lien on your property. Not a perfect analogy since in my hypothetical the compulsion involves only the government and not some third-party private entity, but then, that’s what makes the mandate so goshdarned special, isn’t it?

It’s honestly amazing to me that even at this late date a liberal like Wasserman-Schultz lacks the guts to explain to her constituents honestly what the mandate is about. You want insurers to cover preexisting conditions? You want to eliminate the shared burden of medical costs incurred when uninsured people need emergency services? Then you need a biiiiiiig pool of premiums flowing in to cover the expenses, and the only way to get a pool that big is to have the government coerce people into buying. Problem is, phrasing it that way might lead voters to conclude that the loss of liberty to that form of coercion outweighs the virtues of universal health care. So here’s her attempt to finesse the point, i.e. lie.

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

Comment pages: 1 2

This nitwit has long been one of the fringe kooks of the left. She’s a special kind of stupid.

Jaibones on April 7, 2010 at 11:05 PM

Jaibones on April 7, 2010 at 11:05 PM

yeah. Obama ideological soul mate. Tells you how much trouble our country is in that she is considered a rising star in the party and is one of their chief fundraisers. We are so screwed.

chris999 on April 7, 2010 at 11:11 PM

I believe Harry Reid made this argument before.

El_Terrible on April 7, 2010 at 8:34 PM

Yes, he did.

SlimyBill on April 7, 2010 at 11:12 PM

here is Harry Reid making the same argument:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQIKJqLIqaE

SlimyBill on April 7, 2010 at 11:15 PM

When Obamy’s drones snuff out the Taliban and the civilians who happen to be hanging with them, he isn’t really forcing them to do anything.

We’re just changing their “life status”.

notagool on April 7, 2010 at 11:18 PM

It doesn’t need to be said again but I’ll do it anyway. We need to continue to call these “nuances” exactly what they are every single time we hear it: Lies.

We might also do well to get on the phones with (and I hate to say this) candy-asses like Tom Coburn and tell them to call it what it is.

All they do is lie. All the time. All the time.

russcote on April 7, 2010 at 11:26 PM

Technically, the Anti-American Democractic Lefist Loon, Wasserman-Schultz, is correct, it is not a “requirement” to buy HI, it’s just technically a “fine” for not having HI.

I prefer to call it a “Poll Tax” for not having HI!

In fact, it is Barack HUSSEIN Obama’s (PBUH)(SAW)(SWT) version of the “Jizya” on all of us!

Not surprising, really, since Obama (PBUH)(SWT)(SAW) is a “Taqiyah” practicing Muslim himself!

Dale in Atlanta on April 7, 2010 at 11:29 PM

Good enough for me……I know nothing!

dmann on April 7, 2010 at 11:41 PM

Debbie and Nancy are very close. I’ve seen film of them walking down hallways many times. She’s almost as dangerous as Pelosi because she is cunning and a twister of words and ideals. And she’s power hungry – moving up the ranks. I’ve even seen Fox News analysts do weak interviews with her including (Gasp!) Megyn Kelly.

Mr_Magoo on April 7, 2010 at 11:45 PM

Technically, the Anti-American Democractic Lefist Loon, Wasserman-Schultz, is correct, it is not a “requirement” to buy HI, it’s just technically a “fine” for not having HI.

Dale in Atlanta on April 7, 2010 at 11:29 PM

By this logic, there is no such thing as a law to not park in the middle of the street. There is just a fine if you do!

What is killing the Democrats are the on-going lies about this healthcare bill. The IRS is going to hire 16,000 new agents to police this particular point. Do the Dems really think they can just lie about those new IRS agents forever?

Freddy on April 7, 2010 at 11:49 PM

Do the Dems really think they can just lie about those new IRS agents forever?

Freddy on April 7, 2010 at 11:49 PM

Yes. Yes they do.

tetriskid on April 7, 2010 at 11:56 PM

tetriskid on April 7, 2010 at 11:45 PM

WTF is going on in the Ft.Laud area? Seems to be a epicenter of chaos and far too many militant Muslims. I used to fly into KFLL to save a few $$ vs KMIA, not anymore.

dmann on April 7, 2010 at 11:58 PM

When the subject is Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, impertinence is always indignant.

Schadenfreude on April 8, 2010 at 12:15 AM

Dems need new talking points because these surely aren’t working.

ButterflyDragon on April 8, 2010 at 12:24 AM

This nitwit has long been one of the fringe kooks of the left. She’s a special kind of stupid.

Jaibones on April 7, 2010 at 11:05 PM

The bad news is she is NOT stupid.

By the way, there is no requirement that anyone have health insurance. You may have to pay for it, but you don’t have to have it. See, no compulsion.

Ira on April 8, 2010 at 1:16 AM

She’s not stupid; she’s lying! Cong. Ron Kind told us at a listening session that people wouldn’t be fined, they would just be asked to make a small contribution to the health ins. exchanges. But he also told us the Hyde ammendment banning Federal funds for Abortions was included in the Senate HCR bill. They’re not stupid…they are trying to cover their butts!

indccc on April 8, 2010 at 1:47 AM

Well, technically she is right. The law does not REQUIRE you to carry health insurance as long as you don’t mind paying an extra $750 fee on your taxes. So it is not really lying, it is more like mealy mouthed hair-splitting double-talk.

Hawthorne on April 8, 2010 at 2:05 AM

Didn’t bother to read the post or click on the video.
I’ve only got one thing to say.
How can anyone so hot be so f***ing stupid.

DDT on April 8, 2010 at 2:24 AM

heh heh. That bill is no longer a bill. Its a freakin law and there’s more than health in it. B.O. gets his own Army and everything and a few other Unconstitutional tricks. He didnt spend all that time sitting there listening to anti USA spew for nothing. He’s acting on it. He’s someone’s hero. Sure not ours, but someone out there likes what he’s doing to us. I wonder who?

johnnyU on April 8, 2010 at 5:13 AM

Never trust a hyphinated dame, especially a Progressive Roach.

“Sit down and shut up. Listen to me and only me” was the takeaway from Hyphin’s town hall meeting.
Another far left Progressive Roach.

Cleveland Steamer on April 8, 2010 at 5:43 AM

She is not lying. What she said is true and it’s exactly the way it works in Massachusets now.

Having health insurance is a deduction on your tax owed exactly the same way as having a dependent is a deduction. If you have insurance, you get to take the deduction. If you don’t have insurance you don’t get the deduction.

It does not need to be enforced because the only way to avoid paying the extra tax is to lie on your tax return and if you do that they’ve got you for perjury.

Jaynie59 on April 8, 2010 at 6:51 AM

She would be right if they had passed a tax credit for those who purchase insurance, but that is not the way the law is written.

Kafir on April 8, 2010 at 7:01 AM

Lil Debbie is a cancer. This sweet little thing can lie looking you straight in the eye, and call you a racist all the while. She is a hardcore Progressive Socialist Statist who would be all for a one party system-Communism. She’s a poison that needs to be voted out. I don’t know if South Florida is that smart. Here in North Central Florida she would be gone this November without question. She is the female version of that other lying Napolean Complex-Anthony Weiner. She is a much younger and smarter(more dangerous)version of Nazi Pelosi. Remember, a vote for a democrat is a vote for a Progressive Socialist. Push that slogan and victory will be complete in both 2010 and 2012. Vote Communism out!!!!!!!!

adamsmith on April 8, 2010 at 7:33 AM

Technically, the Anti-American Democractic Lefist Loon, Wasserman-Schultz, is correct, it is not a “requirement” to buy HI, it’s just technically a “fine” for not having HI.

Dale in Atlanta on April 7, 2010 at 11:29 PM

No, it is a requirement, better look up that word.
You are not required then to have a drivers license…or pay taxes, or have car insurance, or pay your electric bill, by your standards.
When someone forces you to do something, against your will or punish you, that is not an “option”.
You are why people like her get elected because you are so “open minded” you actually buy into her foolish argument.

right2bright on April 8, 2010 at 7:59 AM

Democrat politicians are, as a rule, really, really stupid.

So oftentimes their lies don’t translate well.

Which make them a double insult to our intelligence.

Stupid people telling stupid lies.

NoDonkey on April 8, 2010 at 8:37 AM

Hope S Fla gets rid of this menace in Nov, in 20 years or so she could be the dem maj speaker. Nanzi should be toes up by then along with a lot of people who couldn’t get a doc appointment after health care if fully implemented.

Kissmygrits on April 8, 2010 at 8:55 AM

When will the American populace wake up to the fact that Democrats lie? They have been lying about this health care BS for over a year and the MSM has been the propaganda machine for their efforts. Now, the whole country will have to suffer while all the numbnuts wonder when their Obama “Free” Care will kick in.

I’m thinking Literacy Test should be re-visited. Give it another name and run it through again. Whacked out college students and people that think 2+2 = 4 pounds of govt cheese, have no business determining the fate of this country!

joedoe on April 8, 2010 at 8:59 AM

and this thread is new, how? We know the perils of O care.
Its

exploit the problems and hidden power grabs of the O care law

time.

johnnyU on April 8, 2010 at 9:37 AM

You are not required to die when we place you in this electric chair. If you die it is because you chose to fry.

Herb on April 8, 2010 at 9:59 AM

You do not have to have insurance. You do have to pay taxes for not having insurance. You do not have to die. You can see by looking around that people by the billions have not had to die either. You can shoot grannie or the death panel can pull the plug. You do not have to buy insurance. They can sieze your assets if you don’t.
Jeapordy assessments.

seven on April 8, 2010 at 10:18 AM

These pathetic individuals get elected because people feel sorry for them; And they think it’s because they have intelligence!
Ahaahaahaaa!

Cybergeezer on April 8, 2010 at 10:27 AM

Like Biden once said. Personal income tax is voluntary system. Just like Hitler used “relocation services” and had a different meaning.

seven on April 8, 2010 at 10:31 AM

What district/population center does she represent? Gotta be a nest of liberals……….

ultracon on April 8, 2010 at 10:35 AM

Debbie Wasserman-Schlutts is MY congressman representing the highly gerrymandered FL-20 district. She has not had an opponent in the last 2 elections. She will have one in 2010 for the first time. The demographics are changing in the district. Let her keep jabbering away with the Pelosi-esque tripe. Even the lifetime Democrats down here are angered at how she has become an outspoken voice in the Robin Hood Congress. Please keep those lips a flappin.

Schmo on April 8, 2010 at 10:38 AM

What district/population center does she represent? Gotta be a nest of liberals……….

ultracon on April 8, 2010 at 10:35 AM

FL-20 is Broward County stretching like a snake from the Weston area (highly affluent) all the way across to an area in North Dade county around Aventura ( highly affluent)

Schmo on April 8, 2010 at 10:41 AM

Rep. John Dillenger,(D.-Joliet):

“There is no law forcing you not to rob banks, either. But there’s a penalty if you do.”

Noel on April 8, 2010 at 11:49 AM

There is also no mandate in the country that you cannot murder, but there are penalties if you do. The mind of a moron.

rjoco1 on April 8, 2010 at 12:22 PM

She thinks the masses are stupid. What is the purpose of being put into a higher tax bracket for refusing if not to pay a share for the ObamaCare for others. Anyway you look at it you must pay, not for government expenses as with income tax, but for the health care. This is clearly not a constitutional power of the federal government.

Chessplayer on April 8, 2010 at 2:25 PM

Ohhh,…this sell out get’s on my LAST NERVE!!! Any bets on the stimulus money sent her way can’t be accounted for?
Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is a disgrace to the uterus!

christene on April 8, 2010 at 3:49 PM

This dingbat and the guy from N.H. were on Hardball today. Both said the video taken at their town hall meetings only represented a small, fanatical group. According to them, they received standing ovations coming and going as they spread their lies.

I’m starting to think many of these people are more than kooks. They are sociopathic and dangerous with their careless treatment of the TRUTH!

joedoe on April 8, 2010 at 6:48 PM

Comment pages: 1 2