Quote of the day

posted at 9:00 pm on April 3, 2010 by Allahpundit

“And now I want to return to the Health Care Frankenstein. Most Americans understand that government-run Health Care is not free, not cheap, and not compassionate. I think most Americans believe Congress has no idea of what the public demand will be for subsidized Health Care. They are correct. When Medicare was enacted, Congress guessed it would cost about 10 percent of what it turned out to be after 25 years. Heck, Congress couldn’t even figure the cost of the 3-month long Cash for Clunkers subsidy last year, underestimating it on the order of 1 to 9. Most Americans know the Congressional majority are clueless about what their government-run Health Care system is going to cost.

“The drama that brought this creature to life was unedifying … part tragedy and part farce. Ethical categories went out the window. Never in history have the deliberations of Congress been subverted on this scale. The secrecy, the lack of transparency, the half-truths were stunning. The votes called at midnight … the 2 and 3 thousand page bills members of Congress had no time to read before the votes … the sordid backroom deals, the Cornhusker Kickback that shamed Nebraska, the Louisiana Purchase, the ‘Gator Aid’ Medicare privilege for Florida, the additional Medicare dollars for states whose wavering representatives only yesterday were ferociously denouncing earmarks … the federal judgeship dangled for one lawmaker’s brother … the raid on the Medicare piggy bank … the lie that $250 billion for ‘doc fix’ shouldn’t count as a Health Care cost … the double-counted deficit estimate scam that would land any accountant in jail … the proposed Slaughter rule that Congressmen not record a vote on a bill their constituents hate, just ‘deem’ it passed and vote on the amendments…and to complete the farce, the phony Executive Order pretending not to fund abortions when the Health Care bill, as ‘the supreme law of the land,’ does fund abortions. The level of political corruption to buy the votes for this debacle makes all past examples look penny ante by comparison.

“Self-government stands or falls on integrity, not only in those who represent you but in the enactment of law. This indecency soiled our freedom and embarrassed the democracy we promote in other nations. And this may not be the last of it. To enact its transformative agenda, this leadership employs the Machiavellian saying that the end justifies the means. America was born in a revolution against that whole idea. Soon it will be the norm.

“The Constitution and the consent of the people are all that stand between limited and unlimited government power. Zealous ideologues with the best of intentions brush aside the limits on power in order to get whatever they believe is good for the people … no matter what the people believe. Our system of freedom can survive an assault, but it won’t survive if the people are frightened, or angry, or asleep at the switch. A great Democrat, President Andrew Jackson, once said: ‘eternal vigilance by the people is the price of liberty.’ We can thank our current leaders at least for this: they have awakened the nation to the danger of taking self-government for granted.”


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and Yet Ryan voted for the bailouts of wallstreet go figure. a latter day convert? or just a political oppurtunist?

unseen on April 3, 2010 at 10:39 PM

canopfor on April 3, 2010 at 10:28 PM
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yippy skippy… :o)

katy on April 3, 2010 at 10:31 PM

katy:):):)

canopfor on April 3, 2010 at 10:40 PM

LOL, for all of the Ryan love in here, it will be short lives. Some Democrat plant, or Palinbot, or Romneybot will be ripping down into confetti by mid-summer. That is the way it always goes in these forums. All they have to do is mentions that he looks left when he crosses the street and some of you will be screaming, OMG he’s a RINO!

Hawthorne on April 3, 2010 at 10:40 PM

It became a cliche to say to all of those who pined for Ronald Reagan that there would never be another Reagan. Paul Ryan is the next Ronald Reagan. Bet on it.

AYNBLAND on April 3, 2010 at 9:03 PM

We’ll see, when the media smear machine comes after him and those who are on his bandwagon now stay with him after the savaging. I don’t have much confidence in that.

We do need to get away from the “next Reagan” stuff though. That makes us start to sound like the Dems with their FDR-JFK necrophilia. There was only one Reagan, and only situations are analogous.

Anyway, let’s have a friggin’ primary first. I like Ryan, and if he’s the guy, great. He’d have my vote.

ddrintn on April 3, 2010 at 10:42 PM

Though he talks like Nobel Prize-winning economist Milton Friedman, some of Ryan’s most high-profile votes seem closer to Keynes than to Adam Smith. For example, in the span of about a year, Ryan committed fiscal conservative apostasy on three high-profile votes: The Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP (whereby the government purchased assets and equity from financial institutions), the auto-bailout (which essentially implied he agrees car companies — especially the ones with an auto plant in his district—are too big to fail), and for a confiscatory tax on CEO bonuses (which essentially says the government has the right to take away private property — if it doesn’t like you).

While Ryan’s overall voting record is very conservative, the problem with casting these high-profile votes is that they demonstrate he is willing to fundamentally reject conservatism when the heat is on.

Because it is impossible to believe the highly intelligent and well read Rep. Ryan was unfamiliar with conservative economic principles, one must conclude he either 1). Doesn’t really believe in free market economics, or 2). Was willing to cast bad votes for purely political purposes.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/02/14/paul-ryan-explains-his-votes-for-tarp-auto-bailouts-and-tax-on-aig-bonuses/#ixzz0k5zOyxS3

unseen on April 3, 2010 at 10:44 PM

and Yet Ryan voted for the bailouts of wallstreet go figure. a latter day convert? or just a political oppurtunist?

unseen on April 3, 2010 at 10:39 PM

Wow, it didn’t even take until mid-summer. No offense intended unseen, but the conservatives will never find a candidate to their liking. There will always be something to nitpick every one of them to death. Then by the time all of the rahrahbots and operatives get done playing with the real people they will have their heads spinning like tops.

Hawthorne on April 3, 2010 at 10:44 PM

“The Constitution and the consent of the people are all that stand between limited and unlimited government power.”

Sorry…

THAT was taken out on page 2,017 of ObowmaCare in the “Fix”.

They are making up as they go along…

… didn’t any of you watch C-SPAN?

Oh, wait!

Seven Percent Solution on April 3, 2010 at 10:44 PM

LOL, for all of the Ryan love in here, it will be short lives. Some Democrat plant, or Palinbot, or Romneybot will be ripping down into confetti by mid-summer.

Hawthorne on April 3, 2010 at 10:40 PM

No, all it’ll take is some ridicule on SNL or some flub in an interview and suddenly the guy will be unelectable damaged goods. It won’t take anything at all from “plants” or “Palinbots” or “Romneybots” to do the trick.

ddrintn on April 3, 2010 at 10:44 PM

It became a cliche to say to all of those who pined for Ronald Reagan that there would never be another Reagan. Paul Ryan is the next Ronald Reagan. Bet on it.

AYNBLAND on April 3, 2010 at 9:03 PM

I laugh at that. Even Ronald Reagan himself wouldn’t qualify as the next Reagan given the standards that the crazies around here have.

Hawthorne on April 3, 2010 at 10:46 PM

Hawthorne on April 3, 2010 at 10:44 PM

Facts are facts. When the chips where down Ryan voted straight statist. He can say all the pretty words he wants but his votes are to me what matters.

Politicans think that americians are stupid they vote one way and say something else but with the internet those days are over. We will hold our politicans accountable for their votes.

Now which Paul ryan is he. The one against the governmental takeover of healthcare or the one for the governmental takeover of the banks, car companies and pay rates?

Mr. ryan can not have it both ways.

unseen on April 3, 2010 at 10:48 PM

Hawthorne on April 3, 2010 at 10:44 PM

and I have found a candidate to my liking. One that talks the talk and when the chips are down walks the walk. And unlike some I’m not prepared to say that SNL will pick my candidate for me. The stakes are too high.

unseen on April 3, 2010 at 10:51 PM

I hope Hot-Air can get the video of Obama today in N.C. were a women ask him are we now over taxed .He were on a 2500 word 17 min rambling incoherent answer that was said to make no sense and put the people there to sleep .

thmcbb on April 3, 2010 at 10:52 PM

I’ll feel good with a Paul Ryan in orifice

office i mean

blatantblue on April 3, 2010 at 10:53 PM

Wow, it didn’t even take until mid-summer. No offense intended unseen, but the conservatives will never find a candidate to their liking. There will always be something to nitpick every one of them to death. Then by the time all of the rahrahbots and operatives get done playing with the real people they will have their heads spinning like tops.

Hawthorne on April 3, 2010 at 10:44 PM

Exactly – the purity test is annoying and unattainable.

I like Paul Ryan, I like him even though he voted for things I was against.

I would feel good about the direction of this country with him at the helm.

gophergirl on April 3, 2010 at 10:56 PM

Paul Ryan is the type of GOPer that gives the party a bad name. he opens himself and the GOP to the charge of hypocrite writ large. all the dems have to do is point out what I did and paint him as a hypocrite and 50% of the People will vote against him.

We need a candidate with core values that votes those values when it goes against his/her personal ambitions. who says he is for freedom and means it 100% of the time. Not just when his president doesn’t call him and tells him to vote a certain way, or when a major car plant in his district is threaten, or when his fat cat fund raises call and tell him to bail them out. Or when the mood of the mob frightens him into voting for the “in thing”

Sorry but Paul ryan while a good thinker, and smart politicans and a person whose ideas the GOP can use and is not a man of core convictions. He has proven that with his votes.

unseen on April 3, 2010 at 10:57 PM

Up until this healthcare fiasco, I’ve been telling myself, “The leaders this country needs aren’t even household names”. I really think Paul Ryan is one of a kind and a true leader born out of strange and challenging times. Barak Obama was just an opportunist who had a lot of help.

Pray for Congressman Ryan and others like Eric Cantor, who are doing some heavy lifting and will likely be lifting a lot more.

pjean on April 3, 2010 at 10:59 PM

he opens himself and the GOP to the charge of hypocrite writ large. unseen on April 3, 2010 at 10:57 PM

Good thing none of the Dhimmicrats are hypocrites too.

Mojave Mark on April 3, 2010 at 11:00 PM

To enact its transformative agenda, this leadership employs the Machiavellian saying that the end justifies the means. America was born in a revolution against that whole idea. Soon it will be the norm.

Be mindful of the willingness with which you dispense with the Machiavellian rationale…it lies at the very heart the of neo-conservative/realist “strong national defense” and “war on terror” strategies employed by conservatives and republicans.

ernesto on April 3, 2010 at 11:01 PM

unseen on April 3, 2010 at 10:57 PM

There is no such thing as a man that shares your core convictions except for you. If you were to sit down with Ronald Reagan and talk to him you would be saying the same about him.

Hawthorne on April 3, 2010 at 11:01 PM

Exactly – the purity test is annoying and unattainable
gophergirl on April 3, 2010 at 10:56 PM

purity test?

Let’s see he voted to give $800 billion to the banks and wallstreet casting the principles of the free market out the window. He voted to bailout the unions and car companies again casting free market principles out the window and giving power to the enemies of that free market instead of allowing their marxists policies to fail and people to relearn the hard lessons that socialism does not work.

He voted to limit pay of CEO’s and allow the pay czar to set pay rates agreeing that the govenrment has the power to limit pay and set what the labor of an individual is worth.

I would say that is more than a “purity test” those three votes strike at the heart of freedom, liberty and the american way.

unseen on April 3, 2010 at 11:02 PM

unseen on April 3, 2010 at 11:02 PM

I get it – you don’t like him.

I do

gophergirl on April 3, 2010 at 11:03 PM

I just hope Ryan is not changed by the allure of power.If not he could become a great statesman.He along with others like Palin,Rubio and a few others could be the true Conservatives future.

thmcbb on April 3, 2010 at 11:03 PM

Video of Obama’s 17 minute oracle bonanza!

http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-gives-17-minute-2500-word-response-to-womans-claim-of-being-over-taxed/

katy on April 3, 2010 at 10:58 PM

In all that he never did answer her questions. Too funny!

gophergirl on April 3, 2010 at 11:05 PM

http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-gives-17-minute-2500-word-response-to-womans-claim-of-being-over-taxed/

katy on April 3, 2010 at 10:58 PM

Vomit!

Thanks, katy, but I could only get past 20 seconds…

… I read the transcript earlier, and thought that was bad.

Too bad we don’t have a political party that can show what an absolute idiot this as% clown is…

Oh, wait!

Seven Percent Solution on April 3, 2010 at 11:05 PM

I would say that is more than a “purity test” those three votes strike at the heart of freedom, liberty and the american way.

unseen on April 3, 2010 at 11:02 PM

I guess that you are going to have to find somebody with no voting record and no political history for you to support. The way I see it, you need to just run yourself so that you have somebody to vote for.

Hawthorne on April 3, 2010 at 11:06 PM

There is no such thing as a man that shares your core convictions except for you. If you were to sit down with Ronald Reagan and talk to him you would be saying the same about him.

Hawthorne on April 3, 2010 at 11:01 PM

No i would not because Reagan was a man of core convictions. When he compromised or made a deal with the other side it was to advance his core principles. what core principles besides personal ambitions did Ryan get out of those three votes. did it win his party the congress, the whitehouse? did it save the “free market” It is more regulated today then ever before. Did he advance freedom and limit government? No the only reason he voted for those three things was personal ambitions, bering afraid to trust the free market and thinking government knows better than the individual.

Now if you want to be swayed by pretty words instead of hard cold stone facts be my guess and confirm to the politicans that you are nothing but sheep that are easily lied too.

unseen on April 3, 2010 at 11:07 PM

I’ll feel good with a Paul Ryan in orifice

office i mean

blatantblue on April 3, 2010 at 10:53 PM

WTF does that mean?

MeatHeadinCA on April 3, 2010 at 11:07 PM

WTF does that mean?

MeatHeadinCA on April 3, 2010 at 11:07 PM

lolr

blatantblue on April 3, 2010 at 11:08 PM

Why are you Americans so hard to please?

Crux Australis on April 3, 2010 at 11:08 PM

Seven Percent Solution on April 3, 2010 at 11:05 PM

Yah. I think he’s cracking up. If this doesn’t show people this man is gone, a sociopath, a narcisistic nut job, I’m not sure if we’re going to make it to a Nov. changeover.

katy on April 3, 2010 at 11:12 PM

I guess that you are going to have to find somebody with no voting record and no political history for you to support. The way I see it, you need to just run yourself so that you have somebody to vote for.

Hawthorne on April 3, 2010 at 11:06 PM

ROFL…you don’t listen I already have a candidate. One with flaws to be sure but one with core convictions that does not change depending on the winds of the day.

and BTW this is why most Presidents do not come from Congress because they are open to all their votes the backroom ones as well as the public ones.

Obama was the exception not the rule and he won because he had another congresscritter running against him and anytime McCain attacked him on a vote Obama simply searched the voting record and said while you voted for this too.

thus 2008 become a popularity contest instead of a race on issues because they were both statists with years of recorded votes under their name.

I would love to see Ryan run against Obama and start attacking him on healthcare. Obama will simply say what I just said and Ryan would lose 10 pts overnight

unseen on April 3, 2010 at 11:12 PM

canopfor on April 3, 2010 at 10:19 PM

We’ll be waiting for you.

yoda on April 3, 2010 at 11:13 PM

Well, Hawthorne, according to the article you cite: Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/02/14/paul-ryan-explains-his-votes-for-tarp-auto-bailouts-and-tax-on-aig-bonuses/#ixzz0k5zOyxS3, the votes Ryan made, to paraphrase, were difficult and, in the case of AIG, most regretful. Seems to me the only “bots” remain in Obama’s loving followers’ souls. Unlike Ryan, The “bots” have expressed no regret, just blind faith that Obama is the messiah. Finally, he made his votes based upon the best economic lies the Obama administration had to offer. Unlike Obama’s “bots”, Ryan now can see through them. Yes, Hawthorne, there is a party of “bots” but you just aint figured out which one it is.

ndanielson on April 3, 2010 at 11:14 PM

I’ll feel good with a Paul Ryan in orifice

office i mean

blatantblue on April 3, 2010 at 10:53 PM

WTF does that mean?

MeatHeadinCA on April 3, 2010 at 11:07 PM

I steered away from answering that comment. Something just doesn’t sound right about it. Hopefully it was a slip up

Electrongod on April 3, 2010 at 11:14 PM

unseen on April 3, 2010 at 11:07 PM

I’m gonna go ahead and insist that you’re just making sh*t up at this point.

No i would not because Reagan was a man of core convictions. When he compromised or made a deal with the other side it was to advance his core principles.

Is that so? With no supporting evidence, I’m gonna go ahead and assume no, its not so, and you’re just making it up because you buy into cults of personality.

ernesto on April 3, 2010 at 11:14 PM

Sorry but Paul ryan while a good thinker, and smart politicans and a person whose ideas the GOP can use and is not a man of core convictions. He has proven that with his votes.

unseen on April 3, 2010 at 10:57 PM

Paul Ryan has responded “with his votes” to the will of his 1st District, Wisconsin constituency. Wisconsin is a purple state -darned near 50/50.

That is the way it always goes in these forums. All they have to do is mentions that he looks left when he crosses the street and some of you will be screaming, OMG he’s a RINO!

Hawthorne on April 3, 2010 at 10:40 PM

Brilliant deduction, Watson… but it’s as significant as the sun rising in the east tomorrow. Which is a sure thing, but no more a sure thing than the typical HA poster voting for a footstool over any Democrat. Hell, I’d even vote for McCain again if I had to.

Doorgunner on April 3, 2010 at 11:14 PM

Electrongod on April 3, 2010 at 11:14 PM

It’s a reference to “The Office”

blatantblue on April 3, 2010 at 11:15 PM

How about a qualification test? You have had to serve a full term for a statewide election to qualify for respect

PrezHussein on April 3, 2010 at 11:15 PM

No i would not because Reagan was a man of core convictions. When he compromised or made a deal with the other side it was to advance his core principles. what core principles besides personal ambitions did Ryan get out of those three votes. did it win his party the congress, the whitehouse? did it save the “free market” It is more regulated today then ever before. Did he advance freedom and limit government? No the only reason he voted for those three things was personal ambitions, bering afraid to trust the free market and thinking government knows better than the individual.

unseen on April 3, 2010 at 11:07 PM

You don’t know much about Ronald Reagan do you?

Ronald Reagan professed his opposition to abortion, yet he signed the law in California that established the right to get an abortion in that state. Where was his conviction?

Ronald Reagan signed the bill that gave amnesty to millions of illegal aliens despite his opposition to it in principle. Where was his purity there?

Ronald Reagan signed in multiple tax increases during a recession despite his stated opposition to raising taxes. Where was his purity on that?

So look who was swayed by pretty words? I can give you a dozen other examples where Reagan compromised his principles for political expedience if you like. But you have an idealized vision of Reagan that is just not the truth. Most of the things that you are ripping other people apart for you seem to be willing to give a pass to Ronald Magnus.

I love Reagan, but I am not blind. I know what he did because I have studied the man. I accept his greatness despite his faults and recognize the truths that he taught me. I recognize that men sometimes rise to greatness because they dare. But I also recognize that every political leader has had faults and mistakes as well. Reagan is no different.

Hawthorne on April 3, 2010 at 11:16 PM

Why are you Americans so hard to please?

Crux Australis on April 3, 2010 at 11:08 PM

Maybe because our Honored Dead are buried all over this planet trying to keep people free…

… and the thought of a Marxist/Socialist using Fascist techniques to gain and hold power with a once free and independence press just doesn’t digest to well.

How’s it going down under?

Seven Percent Solution on April 3, 2010 at 11:17 PM

Electrongod on April 3, 2010 at 11:14 PM

It’s a reference to “The Office”

blatantblue on April 3, 2010 at 11:15 PM

I see now. I didn’t catch the reference ;)

Electrongod on April 3, 2010 at 11:18 PM

When November gets here, we’ll vote. Then we’ll see what we have to do next. Until then, its watch, read, learn, listen, think, and speak up as needed.

Skandia Recluse on April 3, 2010 at 11:19 PM

Can I really be all alone in wanting John Stossel to give it a run?

abobo on April 3, 2010 at 9:39 PM

Probably.

katy the mean old lady on April 3, 2010 at 11:19 PM

unseen on April 3, 2010 at 11:12 PM

You’re so in love with Palin that you’re not even making sense and becoming a complete pain in the butt.

Knucklehead on April 3, 2010 at 11:20 PM

Hawthorne on April 3, 2010 at 11:16 PM

You seem to have difficulty understanding the President is not King.

Skandia Recluse on April 3, 2010 at 11:21 PM

Crux Australis on April 3, 2010 at 11:08 PM

It’s one of the reasons our country has excelled beyond any civilization in history.

Most Americans don’t ever want that to change.

We don’t like to settle…

We got lazy last election. Now we’re in the fight for our very existence against a machine the likes we’ve never seen. A regime from without, supported by foreign cash and destructive intentions of breaking this great country into nothing more than another weak, pliable, socialist slave state and we’re just a bit nervous.
Give us a break.
If we fail… the world fails.

katy on April 3, 2010 at 11:22 PM

What true conservative would vote for TARP, auto bailouts, and taxing of AIG?

Paul Ryan is a phony.

Notorious GOP on April 3, 2010 at 11:22 PM

i think ill just run for president

blatantblue on April 3, 2010 at 11:22 PM

I laugh at that. Even Ronald Reagan himself wouldn’t qualify as the next Reagan given the standards that the crazies around here have.

Hawthorne on April 3, 2010 at 10:46 PM

I thought the annual Troll Ball was tonight. Could’t get a date?

katy the mean old lady on April 3, 2010 at 11:23 PM

I’ve been calling this thing “Frankenpig,” since it was inacted, because 1) It is huge. 2) It is a bunch of disjointed, ugly parts all sewn together. 3) No amount of lipstick or any number of tired, predictable speeches will make it look good.

Star20 on April 3, 2010 at 11:24 PM

RR was a Democrat until 1962. Here is the relevant wiki portion:

Reagan began as a liberal Democrat, admirer of Franklin D. Roosevelt, and active supporter of New Deal policies, but in the early 1950s he shifted to the right and endorsed the presidential candidacies of Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1952 and 1956 as well as Richard Nixon in 1960 while remaining a Democrat.[48] His many GE speeches—which he wrote himself—were non-partisan but carried a conservative, pro-business message; he was influenced by Lemuel Boulware, a senior GE executive. Boulware, known for his tough stance against unions and his innovative strategies to win over workers, championed the core tenets of modern American conservatism: free markets, anticommunism, lower taxes, and limited government.[49] Eventually, the ratings for Reagan’s show fell off and GE dropped Reagan in 1962.[50] Reagan formally switched to the Republican Party in 1962, complaining, “I didn’t leave the Democratic Party. The party left me.”[51]

Under HA commenter standards, that would make him untrustworthy and unelectable if he were running today. Just sayin’.

The only candidate I would agree with 100% of the time is me, and I ain’t running. The entire election process is pretty demeaning, with candidates checked for every peccadillo and called everything under the sun. I’d be in a fistfight before the first week was up.

Ryan is providing a clear voice of what the future could look like, instead of the dismal outlook of today. I’d vote for him.

GnuBreed on April 3, 2010 at 11:26 PM

I’ll feel good with a Paul Ryan in orifice

office i mean

blatantblue on April 3, 2010 at 10:53 PM

So you did drink your breakfast.

katy the mean old lady on April 3, 2010 at 11:26 PM

I’m sick and tired of so many of my fellow conservatives and libertarians painting scarlet letters on everyone who’s not Jesus-perfect when walking on the political waters.

Hell, Reagan wasn’t a solid conservative/libertarian. But he was able to articulate those messages in a way that resounded into the souls, into the genetic make-up, of a huge portion of our fellow countrymen.

Even our founders had their imperfections.

TXUS on April 3, 2010 at 11:27 PM

ndanielson on April 3, 2010 at 11:14 PM

LOL, you haven’t been reading this thread have you? Ryan has barely gotten started and you already see people here ripping him a new orifice because he lacks purity as a conservative.

I am on Ryan’s side in case you haven’t figured it out. I get disgusted with the way we sacrifice all of our candidates on the altar of some imagined perfect conservatism. I bet if you got 20 conservative purists from HA together, they wouldn’t even agree on what conservative purism is. You would have some deviation between every one of them. That is why I get so sick of this garbage. We always shoot our own people down before we even give the Dems a chance at them. It is a joke.

Hawthorne on April 3, 2010 at 11:27 PM

unseen on April 3, 2010 at 11:07 PM

You know, sometimes the less said is the better course to take. I’m not going to tell you to shut up and go away, but I will ask you to refrain for a bit and allow us to enjoy a republican who just spoke the truth about Obamacare.

Americannodash on April 3, 2010 at 11:28 PM

I thought the annual Troll Ball was tonight. Could’t get a date?

katy the mean old lady on April 3, 2010 at 11:23 PM

Did you read my later explanation yet?

Hawthorne on April 3, 2010 at 11:29 PM

So you did drink your breakfast.

katy the mean old lady on April 3, 2010 at 11:26 PM

im hoping the easter bunny brings me a new bottle.

blatantblue on April 3, 2010 at 11:30 PM

Did you read my later explanation yet?

Hawthorne on April 3, 2010 at 11:29 PM

Yes.
Did I beleive you?
No.
Sorry,but we’re a little overcrowded with concern trolls.

katy the mean old lady on April 3, 2010 at 11:31 PM

Hawthorne on April 3, 2010 at 11:16 PM

+10

BacaDog on April 3, 2010 at 11:33 PM

im hoping the easter bunny brings me a new bottle.

blatantblue on April 3, 2010 at 11:30 PM

Chocolate bunny Kahlua? Leghorn chicken Bailey’s?

katy the mean old lady on April 3, 2010 at 11:34 PM

reagan was a badass

blatantblue on April 3, 2010 at 11:34 PM

What true conservative would vote for TARP, auto bailouts, and taxing of AIG?

Paul Ryan is a phony.

Notorious GOP on April 3, 2010 at 11:22 PM

Yes, he might not be the most spotless person in the world. That said, he’s a lot more articulate and, dare I say, informed than GWB or McCain. At the time being, it looks like he might be the most viable, conservative-ish potential candidate. The only risk would be that he becomes a Nixonian Republican… and no, I don’t mean that in the “authoritarian” sense.

MeatHeadinCA on April 3, 2010 at 11:35 PM

Chocolate bunny Kahlua? Leghorn chicken Bailey’s?

katy the mean old lady on April 3, 2010 at 11:34 PM

hopefully my favorite Spanish tempranillo :[

blatantblue on April 3, 2010 at 11:35 PM

Paul Ryan is a phony.

Notorious GOP on April 3, 2010 at 11:22 PM

bahhh!

blatantblue on April 3, 2010 at 11:37 PM

hopefully my favorite Spanish tempranillo :[

blatantblue on April 3, 2010 at 11:35 PM

Now that is some kick butt grape juice! Hard to get here.

katy the mean old lady on April 3, 2010 at 11:38 PM

I bet if you got 20 conservative purists from HA together, they wouldn’t even agree on what conservative purism is.

Right. And out of those 20 “purists”, there would be 2 with a DUI in their past, 10 who stole something at one point in their life, 15 who cheated on a test, and a couple who secretly wish for some “Obama Money”.

BacaDog on April 3, 2010 at 11:38 PM

im hoping the easter bunny brings me a new bottle.

blatantblue on April 3, 2010 at 11:30 PM

I thought you were a breast man.

HornetSting on April 3, 2010 at 11:39 PM

Now that is some kick butt grape juice! Hard to get here.

katy the mean old lady on April 3, 2010 at 11:38 PM

isn’t it fantastic?
i do have a bigass bottle of malbec waiting to be popped open at lunch tomorrow!

I thought you were a breast man.

HornetSting on April 3, 2010 at 11:39 PM

mmmmm

blatantblue on April 3, 2010 at 11:40 PM

You seem to have difficulty understanding the President is not King.

Skandia Recluse on April 3, 2010 at 11:21 PM

Quite the contrary. I accept the fact that politicians will sometimes be faced with difficult choices. I recognize that even our heroes are human and sometime make bad decisions.

My point here is very simple. We have a group of people that hold every one of our candidates up to some kind of litmus test based on the ghost of Ronald Reagan. But the problem is that most of them wouldn’t recognize Ronald Reagan if they were forced to look at the reality of the man. Yes, he was a great man, but he was not conservative perfection. His strength was the ability to communicate his ideas. But he was a politician that made compromises just like every politician does.

I am sick of this cannibalistic tendency of conservatives to shew their best candidates into mush before they are even into a primary. I am sick of those that are just fans of a specific candidate, then attack all others challengers with a set of standards they refuse to put their favorite up to. I am sick of conservatives tossing the election away from purely moronic fanboy antics before we can even get our team on the field.

That is what I am complaining about.

Hawthorne on April 3, 2010 at 11:41 PM

Hawthorne on April 3, 2010 at 11:41 PM

You are paint with too broad a brush. Yes, there are ‘some’, one would hope ‘few’ as you describe. They will be the most partisan, the most sensitive to criticism, because we have had to face 50 years or more of hostile press. Sometimes very subtle slights and we’re tired of it and fighting back, which only causes the attacks to intensify. If we remain silent, we lose, if we speak up we get attacked. It gets tiresome.

The points you raise would be more valuable if you would stop pushing them down our throats with such relentless intensity. Make your point, once. Four or five times later it becomes intimidation.

Skandia Recluse on April 3, 2010 at 11:47 PM

Sarah Palin better announce she is not running for president pretty soon. There are some that are going to need quite a bit of time to snap back into reality and recognize that we need to fight the battles of ’10 and ’12 collectively in order to meet the common goal of ousting Obama and his ilk out of D.C.

sherry on April 3, 2010 at 11:47 PM

Why BB! You really are a wino! Have’t been able to get my grubby paws on Malbec in years.
Used to have a deal with a store in NYC. Buy 10 cases and I could sell Chateaus for $19 a bottle. Haut Brion and Latour went down like silk!

katy the mean old lady on April 3, 2010 at 11:47 PM

katy the mean old lady on April 3, 2010 at 11:47 PM

mmm i love Tour de Pic
great french red for a SWEET price

blatantblue on April 3, 2010 at 11:49 PM

No matter what you think or don’t think about Ryan–he’s better than what we’ve got now. And if y’all don’t stop nit picking, what we’ve got now will get a second term. Stop for a moment, and give that prospect some thought.

jeanie on April 3, 2010 at 11:51 PM

Sarah Palin better announce she is not running for president pretty soon. There are some that are going to need quite a bit of time to snap back into reality and recognize that we need to fight the battles of ‘10 and ‘12 collectively in order to meet the common goal of ousting Obama and his ilk out of D.C.

sherry on April 3, 2010 at 11:47 PM

What if she announces that she IS running? Then we’ll have the same unity preachers coming back with “unelectable chillbilly” remarks. It cuts both ways, ya know.

I’m a little tired though of the shrieks of “SOANDSO 2012!!!!” after every favorable thing that’s done by soandso. We’re not even near a primary yet.

ddrintn on April 3, 2010 at 11:52 PM

Right. And out of those 20 “purists”, there would be 2 with a DUI in their past, 10 who stole something at one point in their life, 15 who cheated on a test, and a couple who secretly wish for some “Obama Money”.

BacaDog on April 3, 2010 at 11:38 PM

Just curious, but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? How would any of things have anything to do with one’s political beliefs? Are you saying it’s a conservative/liberal thing to get a DUI? Or to steal?

Weak attempt at deflection in my opinion.

ButterflyDragon on April 3, 2010 at 11:53 PM

mmm i love Tour de Pic
great french red for a SWEET price

blatantblue on April 3, 2010 at 11:49 PM

I need to hang out at your house. Down to the last bottle of 2 buck chuck from Christmas in Ca.

katy the mean old lady on April 3, 2010 at 11:56 PM

I am sick of this cannibalistic tendency of conservatives to shew their best candidates into mush before they are even into a primary. I am sick of those that are just fans of a specific candidate, then attack all others challengers with a set of standards they refuse to put their favorite up to. I am sick of conservatives tossing the election away from purely moronic fanboy antics before we can even get our team on the field.

That is what I am complaining about.

Hawthorne on April 3, 2010 at 11:41 PM

Amen. You deserve some kind of award.

Narutoboy on April 3, 2010 at 11:56 PM

I need to hang out at your house. Down to the last bottle of 2 buck chuck from Christmas in Ca.

katy the mean old lady on April 3, 2010 at 11:56 PM

all about wine here

and bass ale

blatantblue on April 4, 2010 at 12:02 AM

It seems kinda odd to be discussing purity in politics on the eve of Easter. The Big J was probably as pure as anyone, and he got crucified anyway. Anyway, Ryan seems like a nice guy. Certainly worth watching. Happy Easter, everyone.

joejm65 on April 4, 2010 at 12:03 AM

Hawthorne on April 3, 2010 at 11:41 PM

Amen brother. I like Ryan and I like Palin as well. I don’t see why we can’t express our differences here without becoming “purer than thou.”
I do want to think about why Ryan voted for Tarp, I might have voted for the bank bailout, but not the car bailout. I don’t know what info Ryan had when he voted but if it were me and I hadn’t read the bill, I’d have voted no!

Vince on April 4, 2010 at 12:05 AM

Wow, it didn’t even take until mid-summer. No offense intended unseen, but the conservatives will never find a candidate to their liking. There will always be something to nitpick every one of them to death. Then by the time all of the rahrahbots and operatives get done playing with the real people they will have their heads spinning like tops.

Hawthorne on April 3, 2010 at 10:44 PM

That was clever. Getting ahead of the criticism by saying anybody who criticizes will be some kind of bot and that it would, unrealistically, take till summer for anyone to point out his shaky voting record, then feign surprise when someone does. Pelosi would be proud.

Anyway, can’t say I care for some of his votes, but he can out-wonk anyone on the other side and talks a good game.

Why are you Americans so hard to please?

Crux Australis on April 3, 2010 at 11:08 PM

Why does every Aussie I know whine about America every chance they get? It’s like a hobby for you guys or something. Just pretend we don’t exist. You’ll be happier.

Dongemaharu on April 4, 2010 at 12:07 AM

katy on April 3, 2010 at 11:22 PM

We have a narcissistic control freak as Prime Minister – Kevin Rudd. Not so much as Obama though.

He is doing much the same as Obama is doing to America to Australia. Spending like a drunken sailor.

We have a new opposition leader Tony Abbott who is a true conservative by Australian standards – spouting quite a few talking points that would make him sound a lot like a conservative in the US.

If Australia fails only New Zealand, Papua New Guinea and a few Pacific Island nations fail but if the US fails outback Australia sounds like a nice place to live.

Crux Australis on April 4, 2010 at 12:08 AM

If we fail… the world fails.

katy on April 3, 2010 at 11:22 PM

Yes, this land, this place, was God’s last safe harbor for a free human race. The founders knew it. As do many of us. The clock, though, is ticking, ticking, ticking…

TXUS on April 4, 2010 at 12:11 AM

Why does every Aussie I know whine about America every chance they get? It’s like a hobby for you guys or something. Just pretend we don’t exist. You’ll be happier.

Dongemaharu on April 4, 2010 at 12:07 AM

Oh, come on. Aussies are entitled to their opinions and observations.

ddrintn on April 4, 2010 at 12:12 AM

Man I sure hate to break up all of you guy’s wet dream but here’s the deal:

Ryan, DeMint, et;al need to stay EXACTLY where they are at. Never mind the fact none of these cats have any executive experience, which is a MUST (that’s why we elect Governors)

If we take even one of these strong Conservative out of Congress, we will be in trouble. There are damned few of these guys and gals in Congress, we can’t spare any. Not a one.

We have our President…hell, we have our Vice President. We need DeMint and Ryan, Bachmann, McCotter, Inhofe, Colburn, and all of these other studs in Congress fighting the communists tooth and nail.

President Palin and Vice President Perry will take care of the Executive Branch.

Sorry, but someone has to say it.

gary4205 on April 4, 2010 at 12:14 AM

Why does every Aussie I know whine about America every chance they get? It’s like a hobby for you guys or something. Just pretend we don’t exist. You’ll be happier.

Dongemaharu on April 4, 2010 at 12:07 AM

You put yourselves up on a pedestal as the best ever but when the rhetoric doesn’t seem to match reality don’t you think we have a right to tell you.

Crux Australis on April 4, 2010 at 12:14 AM

Damn those pesky principals.

larryk7777 on April 4, 2010 at 12:15 AM

What true conservative would vote for TARP, auto bailouts, and taxing of AIG?

Paul Ryan is a phony.

Notorious GOP on April 3, 2010 at 11:22 PM

Ronald Reagan signed Amnesty into law. He was also a phony. Hell, John McCain is further to the right than Reagan was. Yet Republicans worship the man for some odd reason.

uknowmorethanme on April 4, 2010 at 12:17 AM

?

Ronald Reagan signed Amnesty into law. He was also a phony. Hell, John McCain is further to the right than Reagan was. Yet Republicans worship the man for some odd reason.

uknowmorethanme on April 4, 2010 at 12:17 AM

larryk7777 on April 4, 2010 at 12:18 AM

If Paul Ryan turns out to be the modern equivalent of Newt Gingrich, I personally think Paul is an upgrade.

Speakup on April 4, 2010 at 12:18 AM

Would any of you support Democrat Jim Trafficant for any office? He is a convicted felon who did hard time for corruption while in Congress.

He is a strong supporter of tea parties and he is against both parties in a manner reminiscent of Sarah.

Of course, he could never get elected because of his felony record but the point is that just because he’s a Democrat doesn’t mean he would have voted for TARP, GM bailout, or the anti-bonus crap. Listening to him on his weekly radio show convinces me that if he was still in Congress, he would have voted against all three.

Sarah is the only one who can reach beyond the base. Whoever tells you that she is polarizing is trying to convince you of a myth. George Wallace was polarizing and he never had the power Sarah has.

If Sarah picks the right VP, she cruises in with at least the votes Jug Ears got. I say the right VP for her is Liz Cheney. American women will give her votes based on her gender being the first (can you say historic?).

If she gets the female vote, it’s all over except the counting. And you won’t have to worry about her changing. If she was going to change, she would have done so already.

platypus on April 4, 2010 at 12:18 AM

President Palin and Vice President Perry will take care of the Executive Branch.

Sorry, but someone has to say it.

gary4205 on April 4, 2010 at 12:14 AM

lol @ you still thinking Palin is running in 2012. It’s cute.

uknowmorethanme on April 4, 2010 at 12:19 AM

ddrintn on April 3, 2010 at 11:52 PM

I would bet my last dollar that she has no intention of running for president in 2012. My point of her making the announcement sooner rather than later is that there are voters out there who will need to come to terms with her not running. The media will have a joy ride with it either way. They are not my concern. It’s the voters who may not be happy and in turn, will sit out the election. That we can not afford at any cost.

sherry on April 4, 2010 at 12:20 AM

larryk7777 on April 4, 2010 at 12:18 AM

Yes, you’re confused, it happens to anyone that worships a man only to find out he’s a big fat phony.

uknowmorethanme on April 4, 2010 at 12:22 AM

lol @ you still thinking Palin is running in 2012. It’s cute.

uknowmorethanme on April 4, 2010 at 12:19 AM

The person that will win is Ron Paul, believe it! Isolationism, kookery, and racist newsletters FTW!

No, but seriously, the winning ticket is Newt Gingrich (prez) and Jindal, Palin, Ryan, or someone else as VP.

Narutoboy on April 4, 2010 at 12:23 AM

gary4205 on April 4, 2010 at 12:14 AM

LOL, I was waiting for you to toss your reasoning why Palin is the anointed one and everybody else need not apply. I will wait for the primaries to decide, thank you. I like Palin and I might vote for her if she runs. But we don’t even know if Palin is going to run and a lot can happen between now and then. But I guess some folks just like to give answers without all of the information and before anybody is even asking yet.

Hawthorne on April 4, 2010 at 12:24 AM

American women will give her votes based on her gender being the first (can you say historic?).

platypus on April 4, 2010 at 12:18 AM

So how do you explain Hillary’s loss?

sherry on April 4, 2010 at 12:24 AM

Not entirely OT: I never got a census form.

Akzed on April 4, 2010 at 12:28 AM

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