Texas HHS chief: ObamaCare will cost our state almost 20 times Waxman’s estimate

posted at 8:28 pm on March 31, 2010 by Allahpundit

Waxman says it’ll cost $1.4 billion, Tom Suehs says it’s more like, oh, $27 billion. Luckily, cost projections for giant health-care entitlements rarely lowball the actual amount, so I’m thinking Hammering Hank has to be feeling pretty good about this one.

Senators — mostly, but not only, Democrats — immediately raised questions about the estimate on numerous grounds, including the time frame it covers (it starts in 2014, since state costs are expected to start growing then) and the assumptions it makes.

For example, Suehs’ estimate includes the cost if state lawmakers decide to continue and expand a rate increase for doctors who treat Medicaid patients.

With 2.1 million more people expected to come onto Texas’ Medicaid program in the wake of reform, Suehs said ensuring enough doctors who’ll take Medicaid patients becomes an even bigger issue. He also assumes the same rate would be given to doctors in the Children’s Health Insurance Program…

Suehs said he chose the time frame because lawmakes must make policy decisions for the long term.

As you’ll recall, the Lords of Progress in Congress were craftier about hiding their own rate increases for doctors in order to keep them out of the final fraudulent CBO cost estimate. And as you’ll also recall, the NYT recently warned us about enormous new expenses related to O-Care for states with huge uninsured populations, with California and Texas explicitly named. Just part of the reason why 64 percent of adults and 68 percent of independents say ObamaCare will end up costing too much.

Here’s video of Suehs’s testimony today. Watch to the end or you’ll miss the money quote.


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Waxman has a spot in his right nostril for Tom Suehs.

Cicero43 on March 31, 2010 at 8:33 PM

The thing is it will become obvious with time how much this thing will cost. The Democrats can only hide it for so long.

Terrye on March 31, 2010 at 8:33 PM

What say you, Texas?

Perry?

artist on March 31, 2010 at 8:36 PM

The thing is it will become obvious with time how much this thing will cost. The Democrats can only hide it for so long.

Terrye on March 31, 2010 at 8:33 PM

Why do you think Waxman and Stupak are attacking the big companies writing off thier losses? Value in major corporations are taking huge hits by the costs of Obamacare and the filthy traitors don’t like the speed in which they are doing it.

highhopes on March 31, 2010 at 8:37 PM

25% uninsured in TX compared to .05% in MA?!? Does that include illegal immigrants? Their robust economy will be seeing red if this isn’t stopped.

conservative pilgrim on March 31, 2010 at 8:37 PM

It will be just like Canada, but worse. Canada doesn’t have all those illegal immigrants to cover.

I guess it was inevitable. In Canada, everybody has a health card, with your photo on it. So when you go to the hospital, you present that to the receptionist with the ice cold bureaucratic demeanor, and then you wait 5 hours to see a doctor, like I waited. Went to the hospital at 2:30 am, didn’t see a doctor til 7:30 am. Why? There was only one doctor on duty in the ER in a huge hospital. And if you are feeling bad enough to drag yourself to the hospital at 2:30 am, waiting 5 hours is torture. I wasn’t there for a check up.

But hey, it was free!!

Well not really, I still had to pay for the medication. That’s not covered.

But the point of socialized medicine is, as Churchill said of socialism itself, the equal sharing of misery.

keep the change on March 31, 2010 at 8:39 PM

Rat faced weasel. I despise this rodent more then Pelosi.

jawkneemusic on March 31, 2010 at 8:39 PM

When are you people in Texas and other states going to realize .This is not about money they don,t care how much it will cost the states.It,s about total and complete control of all aspect of our lives.

thmcbb on March 31, 2010 at 8:40 PM

we are so broken finacialy as a country now that as we go BK it won’t matter that HC put us over the break point???

swimcoachmike on March 31, 2010 at 8:40 PM

“Waxman’s math” is a lot like his politics: nonsensical, illogical, and insane.

anXdem on March 31, 2010 at 8:40 PM

Liberty! Prosperity! Utopia! Democrats are awesome!

daesleeper on March 31, 2010 at 8:41 PM

highhopes on March 31, 2010 at 8:37 PM

Amen, I find it interesting that Waxman is demanding all kinds of “proof” to back up the numbers when congress only has to provide the American people “estimates”.

milwife88 on March 31, 2010 at 8:41 PM

highhopes on March 31, 2010 at 8:37 PM

I have a question: where are GE’s and Microsoft’s and Apple’s etc restatements? Did they NOT take a tax subsidy to cover their retirees? Or are they submitting them in the dark of night?

journeyintothewhirlwind on March 31, 2010 at 8:44 PM

I have a question: where are GE’s and Microsoft’s and Apple’s etc restatements? Did they NOT take a tax subsidy to cover their retirees? Or are they submitting them in the dark of night?

journeyintothewhirlwind on March 31, 2010 at 8:44 PM

The first quarter ended today. They may be filing them at midnight at the SEC. But they’re still required public filings and will turn up soon.

Wethal on March 31, 2010 at 8:46 PM

A time continuum flux math snafu!!

canopfor on March 31, 2010 at 8:46 PM

Hey, I’ve got a great idea…

Let’s pass a Comprehensive Fu%k the United States of America Bill into Law, not read it, then only find out what’s in it after the fact?

… Who’s with me?

Seven Percent Solution on March 31, 2010 at 8:47 PM

Just one of 2699 more pages of fun surprises to come!!

Tim Zank on March 31, 2010 at 8:48 PM

Waxman wants to intimidate CEO’s for complying with SEC regs and disclosing the costs of HC Deform to their share holders.
Wanna bet there will be screamming crickets from GE and GM followed by a nice little class action suit for non compliance?
Now who’s more intimidating, Snot Tunnel Waxman or a cabal of hungry attorneys dreaming about $$$$?

ontherocks on March 31, 2010 at 8:48 PM

In so many ways, a state is very similar to big business. They have many of the same expenses and when companies like AT&T, Verizon and Caterpillar come out with billion dollar right downs, I have to believe many states will be in exactly the same position.

Taxman and his co-horts have purposely low-balled the figures they intentionally juggled to get under the CBO budget busting restrictions. That’s all that mattered at that moment in time. If they had not done so, HC would NOT have qualified as a reconciliation bill in the Senate.

The actual costs will now come out and we’ll all get to like it!

GoldenEagle4444 on March 31, 2010 at 8:49 PM

Waxman to call the entire state of Texas before a congressional committee.

Bishop on March 31, 2010 at 8:49 PM

This is why I feel the Constitutional challenge may get some traction…

d1carter on March 31, 2010 at 8:49 PM

Hey, I’ve got a great idea…

Let’s pass a Comprehensive Fu%k the United States of America Bill into Law, not read it, then only find out what’s in it after the fact?

… Who’s with me?

Seven Percent Solution on March 31, 2010 at 8:47 PM

Sorry, SPS, somebody already beat you to it.

/sarc off

GoldenEagle4444 on March 31, 2010 at 8:50 PM

Don’t mess with Texas.

HornetSting on March 31, 2010 at 8:52 PM

It’s just $27 billion, what is the big deal? Okay, that’s gonna sting.

Eagerly awaiting some impact numbers from CA now, since they are in much better financial condition. heh

GnuBreed on March 31, 2010 at 8:53 PM

I have a question: where are GE’s and Microsoft’s and Apple’s etc restatements? Did they NOT take a tax subsidy to cover their retirees? Or are they submitting them in the dark of night?

journeyintothewhirlwind on March 31, 2010 at 8:44 PM

GE = government motors. They don’t have to do nothing.

Microsoft = MS part of the MSNBC. So they too have to do nothing

Apple = They have apps for CHE ..how cool is that. And they backed out of sponsering Beck’s show. So they don’t have to do nothing too
See how it works ?

macncheez on March 31, 2010 at 8:53 PM

Two things elude me here. First, how could anyone have believed an entitlement of this scope would cost TX ‘just’ $1.4 billion?

Second, after all the months of debate, and with a copy of the proposal out there–though not the final bill–no one in position to know about such things didn’t do a worst-case estimate of final/actual costs?

Liam on March 31, 2010 at 8:55 PM

20 times?

Hells Bells……..by the time this is over tou’ll be lucky if it doesn’t cost you 200 times!!!

And hello you doofus dtates the whole point is to bankrupt you so ALL POWER resides in a DC based soft dictatorship.

When will people finally get?

PappyD61 on March 31, 2010 at 8:56 PM

Hey, I’ve got a great idea…

Let’s pass a Comprehensive Fu%k the United States of America Bill into Law, not read it, then only find out what’s in it after the fact?

… Who’s with me?

Seven Percent Solution on March 31, 2010 at 8:47 PM

Seven Percent Solution: Just wait till the invisible ink
on the last hundred pages material
izes with more Palimino Pelosi’s
social engineering goodies!(sarc):)

canopfor on March 31, 2010 at 8:56 PM

States…..not dtates. (stinking little iPhone keypad)

:-)

PappyD61 on March 31, 2010 at 8:57 PM

On the brightside,Liberals own it,they have now
made themselves famous!!

canopfor on March 31, 2010 at 8:57 PM

Just wait till the other 7 States figure out their
own math!!

canopfor on March 31, 2010 at 8:59 PM

Waxman to call the entire state of Texas before a congressional committee.

Bishop on March 31, 2010 at 8:49 PM

It would all fit in one nostril.

JammieWearingFool on March 31, 2010 at 8:59 PM

Does this mean Texas has declined the offer?

bloggless on March 31, 2010 at 9:00 PM

GE = government motors entity . They don’t have to do nothing.

Microsoft = MS part of the MSNBC. So they too have to do nothing

Apple = They have apps for CHE ..how cool is that. And they backed out of sponsering Beck’s show. So they don’t have to do nothing too
See how it works ?

macncheez on March 31, 2010 at 8:53 PM

macncheez on March 31, 2010 at 9:01 PM

JammieWearingFool on March 31, 2010 at 8:59 PM

Jammie, you just made me blow tea out my nose!

AZCoyote on March 31, 2010 at 9:02 PM

GoldenEagle4444 on March 31, 2010 at 8:50 PM

Yeah…

…I forgot the:

Oh, wait!

Seven Percent Solution on March 31, 2010 at 9:03 PM

Just wait till the invisible ink
on the last hundred pages material
izes with more Palimino Pelosi’s
social engineering goodies!(sarc):)

canopfor on March 31, 2010 at 8:56 PM

She had it engraved into that large gavel that is still stuck up her a%s…

Seven Percent Solution on March 31, 2010 at 9:06 PM

The first quarter ended today. They may be filing them at midnight at the SEC. But they’re still required public filings and will turn up soon.

Wethal on March 31, 2010 at 8:46 PM

they’ve got 45 days, to file the 10-Q, unless they file an 8-k special event in the mean time. (which is what other companies have filed) Given GE’s tightness with the current administration, one could assume that they’ve been asked to push it off as late as possible, with assurances they won’t get hit by the SEC… Microsoft and Apple don’t have the type of legacy union contracts which are so onerous in terms of retiree benefits (and a hell of a lot less current retirees)

phreshone on March 31, 2010 at 9:08 PM

no one in position to know about such things didn’t do a worst-case estimate of final/actual costs?

Liam on March 31, 2010 at 8:55 PM

The people who do that are in charge of Global Warming Analyses

phreshone on March 31, 2010 at 9:10 PM

Amen, I find it interesting that Waxman is demanding all kinds of “proof” to back up the numbers when congress only has to provide the American people “estimates”.

milwife88 on March 31, 2010 at 8:41 PM

They are just complying with the law and since that doesn’t fit with the theme they are being attacked. There is nothing wrong in the losses that these companies are posting other than it is inconvenient to an repressive regime with a different message.

highhopes on March 31, 2010 at 9:11 PM

These wormy, leftist politicos are gong to destroy us all.

rplat on March 31, 2010 at 9:11 PM

NULLIFY!

russcote on March 31, 2010 at 9:12 PM

“I don’t know where he went to school and got his math education.”

Dear, Tom Suehs

Mr Waxman got his education at the same place that Emperor Obama got his, at Alice in Wonderland U, where they both excelled in reeling and writhing, of course, to begin with and then the different branches of arithmetic: ambition, distraction, falsification and derision with additional courses in Karl Marx and Napoleon Bonaparte, with washing – extra.

Please feel free to contact me if you need anymore information.

Your friend, CC

Cheshire Cat on March 31, 2010 at 9:14 PM

I have a question: where are GE’s and Microsoft’s and Apple’s etc restatements? Did they NOT take a tax subsidy to cover their retirees? Or are they submitting them in the dark of night?

journeyintothewhirlwind on March 31, 2010 at 8:44 PM

To use the argot of the current administration- are you an effing retard?

OBAMACARE WAS PASSED IN THE DARK OF THE NIGHT THROUGH TREASON. All these companies are doing is complying with the law. Waxman is furious that they aren’t abetting with the lie that is Obamacare.

Get somebody to explain this to you. Then, get them to put you in a safe place without internet access. The world is beyond your ken.

As posted above

They are just complying with the law and since that doesn’t fit with the theme they are being attacked. There is nothing wrong in the losses that these companies are posting other than it is inconvenient to an repressive regime with a different message.

highhopes on March 31, 2010 at 9:16 PM

These wormy, leftist politicos are going to destroy us all.

rplat on March 31, 2010 at 9:11 PM

Going? They are 75% complete with their mission.

highhopes on March 31, 2010 at 9:17 PM

Wow! Looks like Obama & Dems just-cashed check is gonna be returned for insufficient funds.

REPEAL. or GO BROKE.

TN Mom on March 31, 2010 at 9:25 PM

Seven Percent Solution: Just wait till the invisible ink
on the last hundred pages material
izes with more Palimino Pelosi’s
social engineering goodies!(sarc):)

canopfor on March 31, 2010 at 8:56 PM

Dear Mr Canopfor,

I have special glasses and can read invisible ink before it materializes, so I have already read it. I don’t want to alarm anyone unnecessarily so let me put it this way – how many fleeing Americans can fit in your neck of the woods in Canada? I am a little concerned that Emperor Obama and his court will soon Obamaize veterinarian care too so let me just end this with -

Your likely new neighbor, CC

Cheshire Cat on March 31, 2010 at 9:28 PM

These wormy, leftist politicos are gong to destroy us all.

rplat on March 31, 2010 at 9:11 PM

They are in the process of destroying their own cause with
multiple unintended consequences, because of their rush to grab their prize. Until just recently their patience has rewarded them. This is the critical error that is going to help win back a critical chunk of the 52%’ers for the Right.

ontherocks on March 31, 2010 at 9:31 PM

Waxman hasn’t changed. His nose in other peoples business for all these years has turned it into a pig’s snout. Obama is a liar. I suspect very soon the states will get smart and see Obama sends a list of junk to cover and a lot less money than needed. Let Texas be bold and send the bill to Obama. As soon as he sends all the money then they will cover . No coverage starts before Obama forks over all the money.
We don’t send men to the moon with only a quarter tank.

seven on March 31, 2010 at 9:32 PM

Quote = reversed, no more Hawaiian Punch for me.

ontherocks on March 31, 2010 at 9:33 PM

This is a Big F***ing Deal!

TN Mom on March 31, 2010 at 9:34 PM

highhopes on March 31, 2010 at 9:16 PM

I guess I didn’t make it clear enough that I was wondering where all the obama supporting companies restatements were at.

I think I heard that there are 3500 companies that this will effect? So GE, Microsoft and Apple are going to have their statements shuffled to the bottom of the deck and hope noone notices. Yeah, right, investors won’t notice restatements by GE, Microsoft, Apple etc.
But they are hoping the Easter break will soften the blow. Let’s not let them do it. Even if it hurts your investments.

journeyintothewhirlwind on March 31, 2010 at 9:38 PM

Am I one of the earlier ones this week reminding people that these extra ordinary charges will be a hit to earnings. Tax collections will go down this quarter because companies will have lower tax estimates. Obama is not smart enough to hire economists that can trace transacttions.
He sure won’t make up tax collections by the insurance companies because they will be forced to enlarge their reserves to pay claims on all the illegals.

seven on March 31, 2010 at 9:45 PM

Lords of Progress in Congress

That’s the funniest thing I’ve read all day. Still chuckling.

scalleywag on March 31, 2010 at 10:07 PM

…immediately raised questions about the estimate on numerous grounds, including the time frame it covers..

It pisses me off every time someone quotes a number from the 10 year CBO estimates. Does the damn thing expire in 10 years?

Of course, the answer is no. It’s forever. So 20, 30 or 40 year estimates pulled out of thin air are just as good as the shady and dubious CBO short-term numbers.

Talk about fuzzy math. The damn thing is going to cost a fortune. We know it, Congress knows it and the CBO knows it.

I just wish someone at the CBO had the balls to say their methodology is screwy, is deemed by the very people who want it to look good and if they had the liberty to score it like I do with my household budget, there would be riots in the streets.

BacaDog on March 31, 2010 at 10:26 PM

I just can’t wait for Waxman’s hearings on the huge write-offs announced by companies like AT&T, etc. I hope every Republican on the panel will quote Obama’s claims that premiums will go down and ask every CEO at the hearing whether this is how they see it.

Birdseye on March 31, 2010 at 10:29 PM

We don’t send men to the moon with only a quarter tank.

seven on March 31, 2010 at 9:32 PM

No, but we do send them to Washington that way.

Aviator on March 31, 2010 at 10:35 PM

REPEAL. or GO BROKE.

TN Mom on March 31, 2010 at 9:25 PM

That should be the November slogan. REPEAL or GO BROKE.

bloggless on March 31, 2010 at 10:46 PM

This is a Big F***ing Deal!

TN Mom on March 31, 2010 at 9:34 PM

Come to think of it Mom, that’s one that Joe actually got right. This is a big effing deal. And the thread is going to get pulled, It will soon, if not already, unravel faster than the spin doctors can spew. Waxman is just one of many violating the poultry, even the zombie media won’t be able to cover for this disaster.

JusDreamin on March 31, 2010 at 11:12 PM

Would it be possible for Waxman to get plastic surgery on the Congressional health care program?

mobydutch on March 31, 2010 at 11:34 PM

Who can justify Waxman’s math?

jack herman on March 31, 2010 at 11:48 PM

Totally unfair. We don’t know if Waxman can do math or not — he didn’t bother. On the other hand we already knew he is an effing liar, so let’s stick with the path of least resistance.

Jaibones on March 31, 2010 at 11:57 PM

Math? Who needs math? Utopia awaits! Ever onward!

Grace_is_sufficient on April 1, 2010 at 4:36 AM

This is why I live in Texas.

skatz51 on April 1, 2010 at 8:18 AM

I have a question: where are GE’s and Microsoft’s and Apple’s etc restatements? Did they NOT take a tax subsidy to cover their retirees? Or are they submitting them in the dark of night?

journeyintothewhirlwind on March 31, 2010 at 8:44 PM
The first quarter ended today. They may be filing them at midnight at the SEC. But they’re still required public filings and will turn up soon.

Wethal on March 31, 2010 at 8:46 PM

–I’d be surprised if either Microsoft or Apple ever offered retiree health benefits. Almost no tech company does or did. So they probably never offered the prescription drug subsidy to retirees.

Jimbo3 on April 1, 2010 at 9:45 AM

I have a question: where are GE’s and Microsoft’s and Apple’s etc restatements? Did they NOT take a tax subsidy to cover their retirees? Or are they submitting them in the dark of night?

journeyintothewhirlwind on March 31, 2010 at 8:44 PM
The first quarter ended today. They may be filing them at midnight at the SEC. But they’re still required public filings and will turn up soon.

Wethal on March 31, 2010 at 8:46 PM

–FYI: The fact that the first quarter ends today for most companies doesn’t mean they’ll be filing their 8-Ks with earnings releases or 10-Qs today. It usually takes companies 20-30 days after the end of the quarter to release earnings. The SEC then requires 10-Qs to be filed within forty days after the end of a quarter.

Jimbo3 on April 1, 2010 at 9:48 AM

It’s congressional math where nothing ever adds up, nothing balances, and estimates mean absolutely nothing! Every new representative/senator is required to take it when they first get elected. The Democrats excel in this class.

tommer74 on April 1, 2010 at 10:09 AM

waxman!? waxman!? WAXMAN!!!??? are you freakin kidding me!!!???

moonbatkiller on April 1, 2010 at 10:35 AM

Cloward- Piven, anyone?

LarryG on April 1, 2010 at 11:53 AM

The Republic of Texas.

Has a nice ring to it, don’t it? (doesn’t it? … for the Yankees out there).

BowHuntingTexas on April 1, 2010 at 12:23 PM

Waxman has a spot in his right nostril for Tom Suehs Rhode Island.

Cicero43 on March 31, 2010 at 8:33 PM

FIFY!

TugboatPhil on April 1, 2010 at 12:31 PM

No one uses 8% for admin overhead for ANY project in the federal government… save Henry Waxman.

Running projects that get dropped in your lap from Congress (Congressionally Directed Actions or CDAs) usually have a 10-15% administrative overhead built into them. However many CDAs try to get as much pork to their benefactor as possible and don’t factor in admin costs… which means that REGULAR programs get hit with the unsupported costs of CDAs. Which includes travel, which is usually the second largest piece of the admin cost after employee time.

For a $1,000K project you typically look to have $100-150K in admin overhead for staff, research and, with any luck, travel… that is scale independent, so as you scale up the cost the project requires more oversight and more layers of ‘accountability’ as well as more people on the ground to administer it. A 2% difference is that between $100-150k and $80k for that $1 million project, $20-70k… which is one Full Time Employee for either part or full time coverage. So if you need two people to run the project and only have budget for one, you are a man short on the administrative side. And the larger the project, the more coverage you need and 15% is not unreasonable once you get past $100 million.

Congress likes to ‘forget’ administrative overhead constantly… and that is just on the federal side for their lovely little pork projects. Nice to know they are shafting the States with their mandates and projected outlays… all of which means you either get less than you wanted or spiraling costs… or both.

That is what happens when you ‘lowball’ an estimate you know is artificially low and not sustainable by the outlay percentages in the estimate.

ajacksonian on April 1, 2010 at 12:34 PM

I posted this video on FB and one of my friends actually wrote:

I suggest researching the costs of healthcare from reliable and credible non partisan organizations like the Economist World Book of Facts and the World Heath Organization. Regardless of how much this will or will not cost, there are numerous variables involved with the equation

And when I said that telling me that the WHO or the Economist would have better numbers on the cost of HCR than the HHSC Commissioner from the state of Texas scared me, I got:

To clarify, my suggestion is to find resources who do not have an agenda. The Economist is a conservative periodical who collects statistical information about various fiscal expenditures; the World Health Organization is a group of scientists who collect statistical information from health officials al over the world. There are many non – bias …

I suggested that she not try to shame my silence with the term “non-partisan” and watch the YouTube video for the Ayn Rand concept of Open Mind versus Active Mind as she illustrated the point quite nicely. I also said that I didn’t need to read the WHO to become enlightened and non-biased and that it’s fine to make a decision and still be enlightened.

Leftist are really trying to work it so that the opposition just backs down. My Leftie friends usually never say anything.

Sultry Beauty on April 1, 2010 at 3:05 PM

Oops. The last quote was actually:

To clarify, my suggestion is to find resources who do not have an agenda. The Economist is a conservative periodical who collects statistical information about various fiscal expenditures; the World Health Organization is a group of scientists who collect statistical information from health officials al over the world. There are many non – bias … See Moreplaces to look at the numbers. A legislator regardless of political affiliation has an agenda – to get re-elected most of which have special interest groups who fund their campaigns. I hope this empowers you instead of scare you.

Sultry Beauty on April 1, 2010 at 3:07 PM

Remember Obama being cute the other day and quipping multiple times that his signing of the bill didn’t bring on Armageddon… and how it seemed like just another beautiful sunny spring day??

Well, remember that Greece didn’t go bankrupt the very minute that their lawmakers signed laws that would eventually lead to their demise either!

The UK did not explode when they established the HHS department. It took decades for the damage to become apparent… and now it’s probably too late for them to save themselves.

Obamacare is not like a heart attack. It is a malignant cancer that starts almost silently, mutating cells one by one until it spreads throughout the entire body… once you realize the damage it has done… death (to our economy, our health and our freedom) is imminent.

Oh, the arrogance of Obama and the stupidity of all those who follow him!

painesright on April 1, 2010 at 4:46 PM