AP: Young adults will see a 17% increase in premiums under ObamaCare

posted at 10:55 am on March 30, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

During the entire ObamaCare debate, young voters consistently provided the most support for the government overhaul of the health-care system.  Groups that encourage the youth vote campaigned in support of it, including the “F*** the Vote” campaign by Rock the Vote that had supporters pledging to only have sex with other Obama acolytes.  Now that ObamaCare’s passed, the Associated Press finally explains to them a simple truth about federal mandates and the cost structure of insurance risk pools:

Under the health care overhaul, young adults who buy their own insurance will carry a heavier burden of the medical costs of older Americans — a shift expected to raise insurance premiums for young people when the plan takes full effect.

Beginning in 2014, most Americans will be required to buy insurance or pay a tax penalty. That’s when premiums for young adults seeking coverage on the individual market would likely climb by 17 percent on average, or roughly $42 a month, according to an analysis of the plan conducted for The Associated Press. The analysis did not factor in tax credits to help offset the increase.

The higher costs will pinch many people in their 20s and early 30s who are struggling to start or advance their careers with the highest unemployment rate in 26 years.

I explained this in my response to the “F*** the Vote” campaign:

First, the young people to whom they’re preaching largely avoid buying health insurance, and for good reason. They don’t need to spend $3600 per year (Minnesota’s average in 2007) to cover a couple of doctor visits every year. They’re better off buying catastrophic health insurance, rather than the mandated comprehensive coverage under ObamaCare, and use HSAs to pay for their health care with tax-free cash. That’s what Keith Olbermann does, after all, and he’s a lot older than the RtV target audience.

Who benefits from this push? The young adults don’t; they’re going to pay a lot more than they receive. Insurance companies will benefit by forcing them into the system, reducing the risk and spreading the costs over a wider base. I don’t consider insurance companies evil, but many of the ObamaCare advocates do — and yet they’re pushing their followers to subsidize slight declines in health insurance premiums for the older generations in America. It’s just like Social Security, only with a worse payoff in the end.

But there is more than just this mechanism driving costs up for younger people.  The new law restricts the ability of insurers to charge higher-risk pool members more in premiums.  This helps keep prices lower for middle-aged and senior customers by transferring the costs to younger, healthier clients:

At issue is the insurance industry’s practice of charging more for older customers, who are the costliest to insure. The new law restricts how much insurers can raise premium costs based on age alone.

Insurers typically charge six or seven times as much to older customers as to younger ones in states with no restrictions. The new law limits the ratio to 3-to-1, meaning a 50-year-old could be charged only three times as much as a 20-year-old.

The rest will be shouldered by young people in the form of higher premiums.

This is what happens with “community pricing.”  Costs don’t disappear; they just get allocated in a different manner.  Instead of the actual higher-cost clients paying their share of the burden, they now get subsidized by low-risk clients instead.  Thanks to Congress, these low-risk clients no longer have the option of choosing high-deductible catastrophic insurance with HSAs for routine medical work, but have to buy comprehensive insurance plans that wind up subsidizing their parents and grandparents.

Or, to put it in simpler terms, they’re getting f***ed by the same people who pushed the “F*** the Vote” campaign and the Democrats.  Had the younger voters taken the time to learn something about risk pools, insurance, and the experience of Massachusetts and Maine using the same kind of mandates, they’d have told Rock the Vote to f*** off.  They still have the opportunity to deliver that message to Democrats in November.

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Hopey Changey FAIL

portlandon on March 30, 2010 at 10:58 AM

I can never figure out what Obama is doing in that photo.

Pretending to ride a motorcycle? “Look at me, mom! Vroom! Vroom!”

Or, by the look on his face, maybe he just cut a stinky.

UltimateBob on March 30, 2010 at 10:58 AM

There are two types of young people with views on Obamacare. The ones who know this is b.s. and the ones who are convinced that they are going to get free health care. Which is the majority will be known in November.

Cindy Munford on March 30, 2010 at 11:00 AM

Surprise, Obama Youth!

PAY UP.

Oh – you thought this was a “freebie” for supporters of the President and a penalty on everyone else?

BWAHAHA!

Welcome to life as a serf for your neighbor’s gain. You’ll just love it! And even if you don’t, tough. It’s the law.

O BAM A!
O BAM A!
O BAM A!
O BAM A!

Good Lt on March 30, 2010 at 11:00 AM

Obama: “Look the insurance companies are just trying to make me look bad by following the letter of the law. If they just followed the intent of my actions, we wouldn’t be having this problem.”

Skywise on March 30, 2010 at 11:00 AM

I can never figure out what Obama is doing in that photo.
Pretending to ride a motorcycle?

Don’t say that. Don’t ever say that again.

Motorcycles and PBHO do not mix, ever.

Bishop on March 30, 2010 at 11:00 AM

But..but.. but…. I thought they were going to go Down by 3000% !!!!

/young National Socialist Left Voter

Chip on March 30, 2010 at 11:00 AM

The AP article also says that the price increase has benefits because “kids” can stay on their parent’s policy until they’re 26. What a great benefit!

As long ad you don’t plan on sticking around past 26.

rihar on March 30, 2010 at 11:01 AM

Young people in Democrat utopia get to:
- Pay higher health insurance premiums to fund less healthy and older people.
- Pay into SocSec to fund retirements to older people.
- Pay into Medicare to fund health care for older people.

If someone can devise a system to get the majority of under 30 crowd to vote in their best interests, please make it happen.

WashJeff on March 30, 2010 at 11:02 AM

Surprise, Obama Youth!
PAY UP.
Oh – you thought this was a “freebie” for supporters of the President and a penalty on everyone else?
BWAHAHA!
Welcome to life as a serf for your neighbor’s gain. You’ll just love it! And even if you don’t, tough. It’s the law.
O BAM A!
O BAM A!
O BAM A!
O BAM A!
Good Lt on March 30, 2010 at 11:00 AM

Reality Bites dudes!

Welcome to Dopenchange.

Chip on March 30, 2010 at 11:03 AM

Or, by the look on his face, maybe he just cut a stinky.

UltimateBob on March 30, 2010 at 10:58 AM

Can you smell what Barrack is cookin’?

portlandon on March 30, 2010 at 11:04 AM

Bishop on March 30, 2010 at 11:00 AM

Kind of like matter and antimatter.

OK then, the second option must be it, then. He did something in his pants.

UltimateBob on March 30, 2010 at 11:04 AM

Had the younger voters taken the time to learn something

TLDR version right here.

spmat on March 30, 2010 at 11:04 AM

They still have the opportunity to deliver that message to Democrats in November.

To paraphrase Ron White, they have the right to deliver that message but they don’t have the ability to understand the consequences. They won’t “get it” until the fines start being applied and the “Feds” are breathing down their necks. Even then I doubt they will understand. These are not people who are known for their cause and effect comprehension.

Guardian on March 30, 2010 at 11:04 AM

Liberals hardest hit…

You know, I don’t know many people who are all excited about putting their kids on their health plans.

My parent’s wouldn’t give me $20 when I was 25, they’d laugh me out of the house if I tried to mooch of their health insurance too.

uknowmorethanme on March 30, 2010 at 11:05 AM

I can never figure out what Obama is doing in that photo.
Pretending to ride a motorcycle?
UltimateBob on March 30, 2010 at 10:58 AM

Maybe he’s doing the “Humpty Dance”. Which would be sad, because I like that song.

rihar on March 30, 2010 at 11:05 AM

Can’t these young voters simply use their federal student loan money to pay for this, if necessary.

cyclown on March 30, 2010 at 11:05 AM

If someone can devise a system to get the majority of under 30 crowd to vote in their best interests, please make it happen.
WashJeff on March 30, 2010 at 11:02 AM

Yes, it’s called an Education system – we ought to try that sometime.

Chip on March 30, 2010 at 11:05 AM

It’s not just the youth. Our company had to change providers because Coventry is getting out of large insurance contracts and since we went to Anthem the cost is 19% higher than it was this past year with Coventry.

That’s why I went from tier 2 to tier 3 and am putting money into a HSA. I’m 27 and my wife will be 23 at the end of May and we aren’t going to have kids until after she graduates from college (in 2 years) so we don’t need anything major right now.

MobileVideoEngineer on March 30, 2010 at 11:05 AM

From comments in the Headline about this:

So we expect employers to pay for the health insurance of the deadbeat offspring of their employees?

VA is a right-to-work state. I’d fire someone for trying that.

uknowmorethanme on March 30, 2010 at 10:12 AM
That’s exactly what they expect. Would you hire anyone with a few kids in their teens now? I wouldn’t, that would mean paying for the kids insurance for quite a while and how many companies can afford that?

Ann NY on March 30, 2010 at 10:18 AM

journeyintothewhirlwind on March 30, 2010 at 11:07 AM

I hope the same youths who put this Fool in office in 2009 will help vote him out in 2012.
Till then, I hope they help with the electoral blood bath this November.

nyx on March 30, 2010 at 11:08 AM

I honestly don’t understand how so many young voters still support Obama’s agenda. It must be a cultural thing. His policies are killing this economy which directly impacts recent college graduates who are looking for work. And considering most young people don’t have very high incomes, being forced to pay nearly a grand to Uncle Sam for the “privilege” of not having insurance is gonna hurt.

Doughboy on March 30, 2010 at 11:08 AM

…“F*** by the Vote” campaign…

Updated.

Patrick S on March 30, 2010 at 11:08 AM

The best lessons in life you pay for. The younger generation is fixing to learn this very imporant lesson in life.

PS.. Most young people will opt to pay the fines.

Dire Straits on March 30, 2010 at 11:08 AM

If someone can devise a system to get the majority of under 30 crowd to vote in their best interests, please make it happen.

WashJeff on March 30, 2010 at 11:02 AM

Do we need a vote mandate?

Electrongod on March 30, 2010 at 11:09 AM

OK then, the second option must be it, then. He did something in his pants.
UltimateBob on March 30, 2010 at 11:04 AM

Alright then, I feel better now. *mumble grumble*

Bishop on March 30, 2010 at 11:09 AM

Obama’s plan is sound. Obama’s plan is working. Obama’s plan will bring change.

But as for the healthcare plan, who cares? It never was about healthcare in the first place.

Carry on Scooter.

fogw on March 30, 2010 at 11:11 AM

This is drastically understated. When I was a “young adult” I bought a major med policy. A regular policy might only go up 17% (ya right) but considering major med policies will now be outlawed, the real rate of increase is much greater.

Memo to The Dumbest Generation:

Howz that hopychangy workin’ out for ya.

MNHawk on March 30, 2010 at 11:11 AM

In a democracy, elections must have consequences…

year_of_the_dingo on March 30, 2010 at 11:11 AM

Awwww.What a shame,the (bots) are going to get a rude awakening,oh wait,dad will pay for it:):)

ohiobabe on March 30, 2010 at 11:11 AM

There are a lot of braindead idiots on college campuses these days. It’s sad.

WisCon on March 30, 2010 at 11:11 AM

It’s about time for AnninCA to share another story about how the world’s problems are all the result of doctors and insurance companies…..

search4truth on March 30, 2010 at 11:13 AM

Training people at an early age to be comfortable as freeloaders. We should be pushing personal responsibility and self reliance as the vehicle to prosperity, not slopping at the public trough on the Democrat vote farm.

The chickens….will come home…to roost.

Subsidize freeloaders, and we will get less economic competition and more freeloaders. And, achieving self actualization as a freeloader is juxtopposed.

saiga on March 30, 2010 at 11:13 AM

Young voters still think Obamacare is free. OT but only slightly, the DNC is running an ad in Oregon for Congressman Kurt Schrader. It is singing the congressman’s praises for his support of Obamacare then there is a bullet point screen on Obamacare bill. Each bullet point is about lowering costs. I don’t think I’ve ever seen such an outright lie.
This is why young people support their free healthcare president.

ORconservative on March 30, 2010 at 11:14 AM

There were plenty of seniors out there who voted for him as well.

And I wonder how many seniors would vote to cut socialist security?

I’m not defending the youngsters, but anyone and everyone who voted the One.

BowHuntingTexas on March 30, 2010 at 11:14 AM

Surprise, Obama Youth!
PAY UP.

Those he cares most about will never pay a penny. They will be subsidized.
That is the underlying truth about the community leader president.

FireBlogger on March 30, 2010 at 11:15 AM

It’s about time for AnninCA to share another story about how the world’s problems are all the result of doctors and insurance companies…..

search4truth on March 30, 2010 at 11:13 AM

Doctors are viewed like gods and placed on high pedestals. *channeling*

I don’t. But if he could moonwalk……

Electrongod on March 30, 2010 at 11:16 AM

I hope the same youths who put this Fool in office in 2009 will help vote him out in 2012.
Till then, I hope they help with the electoral blood bath this November.

nyx on March 30, 2010 at 11:08 AM

Nope, I think youthful rage will be directed not at the savior but at whom they are writing their checks to – the insurance companies. Given a choice between “good intentioned” and “greedy corporation,” I think we know who they’ll turn on. All part of the Plan.

shuzilla on March 30, 2010 at 11:16 AM

I can never figure out what Obama is doing in that photo.

Making fun of his zombie voters.

Aviator on March 30, 2010 at 11:16 AM

Everyone should have the same quality insurance that government employees and ‘rich’ people have? Ok – you get to pay for it sucka. Oh, and ObamaCare is going to make underlying healthcare MORE expensive by raising the cost of medical devices and demand on doctors. But don’t worry – I’m sure rationing care will fix these woes.

gwelf on March 30, 2010 at 11:17 AM

You wanted “change” and you got it . . . now, dump your wallets and bank accounts on Obama’s night stand and shut up.

rplat on March 30, 2010 at 11:17 AM

Yeah….they’re screwed!

OxyCon on March 30, 2010 at 11:18 AM

Do we need a vote mandate?

Electrongod on March 30, 2010 at 11:09 AM

Well, kids are not allowed to vote and since kids are now defined as 26…thrown in a military service exemption and we are on our way.

WashJeff on March 30, 2010 at 11:19 AM

Liberals hardest hit…

You know, I don’t know many people who are all excited about putting their kids on their health plans.

My parent’s wouldn’t give me $20 when I was 25, they’d laugh me out of the house if I tried to mooch of their health insurance too.

uknowmorethanme on March 30, 2010 at 11:05 AM

Exactly! First of all 26 is NOT a kid. I was married and had two kids by 26. My kiddos will get to stay on my insurance until they graduate college. After that it’s time to get a job with their own insurance!

maables on March 30, 2010 at 11:20 AM

We have to pass it to find out whats in it. Sorry thats not how it goes. Its called ‘read something before you sign it’. I am so appauled at how this is being pulled off. We’re watching a cold takeover of our lives. In some cases its discrimination due to taxing only those who go get tans for example. We’ll people who dont need tans dont get taxed. Seems he crafts these thing deliberately to affect only certain people while certain ‘other’ people sit at home and wait for the next handout at working peoples expense. Rush is right. Has always been right about this man. Chaz Bono…SAVE US!!!!!

johnnyU on March 30, 2010 at 11:20 AM

No matter how much money you pump into the inner cities as people getting someting for nothing, the more the inner city problems will grow. More violence, more irresponsiblilty, more drugs, less motivation to achieve. Detroit has proven that beyond any reasonable doubt. Anyone with half a brain knows this.

However, the democrats are more concerned with locking in welfare addicted bottom feeders than they are sincerely moving people up and out of the welfare trap.

They know exactly what they are sentencing these poor people’s future to, and they don’t care because they think the votes are worth it. Shameful.

saiga on March 30, 2010 at 11:21 AM

So who is responsible for paying the health insurance premiums for the children of these 26 year olds? Do they get forced onto grandma & grandpa’s plan too?

uknowmorethanme on March 30, 2010 at 11:21 AM

I can never figure out what Obama is doing in that photo.

Pretending to ride a motorcycle? “Look at me, mom! Vroom! Vroom!”

Or, by the look on his face, maybe he just cut a stinky.

UltimateBob on March 30, 2010 at 10:58 AM

I say he’s doing number two on your list and number two literally.

VibrioCocci on March 30, 2010 at 11:22 AM

“supporters pledging to only have sex with other Obama acolytes”

Well they certainly did that to a degree. F***ing yourself counts as sex only with an obama supporter. No sympathy for the young and stupid. Their ignorant and uniformed vote put us all in this mess, they deserve to get the scr**ed blue that is coming to them

Niteowl45 on March 30, 2010 at 11:23 AM

Related satire: Democrats to Require Individuals to Buy “D’oh!bama” Insurance to Cover Losses Resulting from Flaws in ObamaCare Law http://optoons.blogspot.com/2010/03/democrats-to-require-individuals-to-buy.html

Mervis Winter on March 30, 2010 at 11:24 AM

There was a poll discussed here at HotAir last week that indicated an awakening of the obamazombiebot voter.

farright on March 30, 2010 at 11:24 AM

Members of the Domestic Security Force will have excellent coverage provided by the State.

Enlistment desks appearing soon on a college campus in your neighborhood. Bring your friends and find out what a career as a Professional Thug can do for you.

Bishop on March 30, 2010 at 11:25 AM

Young adults will see a 17% increase in premiums under ObamaCare

….and income taxes increase.

….and ‘Sin’ taxes increase.

…and…and…and.

Thanks kids. You are going to need to rip out a lot of tonsils to pay for that.

cntrlfrk on March 30, 2010 at 11:25 AM

saiga on March 30, 2010 at 11:21 AM

Democrats are the modern day plantation owners.

Aviator on March 30, 2010 at 11:25 AM

Hee hee!

khacha on March 30, 2010 at 11:26 AM

Nope, I think youthful rage will be directed not at the savior but at whom they are writing their checks to – the insurance companies. Given a choice between “good intentioned” and “greedy corporation,” I think we know who they’ll turn on. All part of the Plan.

shuzilla on March 30, 2010 at 11:16 AM

Sadly I agree. That’s why they did it this way. They had the public option in the House bill, but everyone was still too strongly opposed to it so they went with the Senate bill knowing that they would eventually be able to blame the insurance companies once the mandates really started ramping up.

By that time they’ll have so many brainwashed people that the people will be asking for the government to take over health insurance completely.

MobileVideoEngineer on March 30, 2010 at 11:26 AM

Yeah hows that free-stuff working out so far ?

tx2654 on March 30, 2010 at 11:27 AM

So, the kid can be on the parent’s insurance up until the age of 26. What if the parent doesn’t WANT the kid to be on their insurance. What if the parent is doing everything possible to get the kid OUT OF THEIR HOUSE?? What if the kid is already eating up all the parents groceries while sucking up internet band width playing on the @#$#! xbox 14 hours a day instead of at least trying to get a job?? What if getting them to at least VACUUM THE STINKIN HOUSE once and awhile is like next to impossible??

And now this intestinal parasite can be on the parent’s health insurance? Thanks loads.
(ok. I feel a bit better now)

kurtzz3 on March 30, 2010 at 11:27 AM

Now that ObamaCare’s passed, the Associated Press finally explains to them a simple truth about federal mandates and the cost structure of insurance risk pools.

Gee, maybe if the AP Lied to them, maybe they shouldn’t listen to them anymore – fat chance.

Chip on March 30, 2010 at 11:28 AM

Obama had college kids going door to door for him during his campaign for President…Hey kids how is that American Idol candidate workin out for you…he’s so kool. You chanted “Yes We Can” and now he is Chanting “Oh Yes I Did” just stick the young and healthy with an extra charge by taking over the Student Loan Program, and using it to pay for ObamaCare…..hey kids would you like some fries with that kool aide LMAO!

Dr Evil on March 30, 2010 at 11:28 AM

…“F*** Stupaked by the Vote” campaign…
Updated.
Patrick S on March 30, 2010 at 11:08 AM

Updated II

Chip on March 30, 2010 at 11:29 AM

“Beginning in 2014, most Americans will be required to buy insurance or pay a tax penalty”

Safely after 2012, when these same fools will have voted 75% for Obama, because the Republican candidate is ________ (fill in the blank: old, racist, stupid, uncool).

Sadly, by 2014, the Republicans may be in control of Congress, so if they don’t repeal (ALL OF) ObamaCare, they’ll either be taking the blame for the pain, or complicit in the final fiscal meltdown of our country (if they keep the “give-aways” and repeal the “take-aways”).

notropis on March 30, 2010 at 11:31 AM

Young people in Democrat utopia get to:
- Pay higher health insurance premiums to fund less healthy and older people.
- Pay into SocSec to fund retirements to older people.
- Pay into Medicare to fund health care for older people.

If someone can devise a system to get the majority of under 30 crowd to vote in their best interests, please make it happen.

WashJeff on March 30, 2010 at 11:02 AM

What no one’s telling those young people is that those of us “older people” that they’re going to be expected to help support have already done our own duty by paying into the system ourselves over many years, just as they’re being asked to do.

Over the span of my 30 year career (which was cut short by a dreadful autoimmune disease that left me totally disabled), I paid the maximum amount of taxes on all levels because I was mostly single, and when married had no children and made too much money to get any breaks.

So now young people look at me as a burden on the system, never understanding or even having a clue that if all those taxes I’d paid had been invested wisely and properly, as I was told the money would be since it was supposed to be going into a “trust fund”, my current SSDI income would probably be twice what it is now. Instead my wonderful federal government pilfered the money to pay for other pork barrel projects and excessive government spending, and is now paying loan shark interest rates on borrowed money that are eating up even more of our tax dollars.

It’s a no-win situation. And yet I refuse to allow the liberal MSM and Democrats to stigmatize me as some entitlement junkie when the fact is that my tax dollars were misused so badly during three long decades when the money could have been invested and earning more dollars that could have provided me with a better lifestyle than the bare minimum income allowed now.

Had I been permitted to invest those retirement and medical dollars in private accounts instead of turning it over to the feds, how different things would be today. And we’re supposed to trust Obama and the Dems and feds with a nationalized health care program? What a joke!

KendraWilder on March 30, 2010 at 11:31 AM

Hey kids European Socialism is so in fashion, and you can tell your friends you took it in the rear for Obamacare. Parent’s who let (and by let, I mean pay their kid’s tuition, and support them financially) their children vote for a Democrat in 2008, deserve to have those children on their health insurance till they are 27 years old…

Dr Evil on March 30, 2010 at 11:32 AM

Safely after 2012, when these same fools will have voted 75% for Obama, because the Republican candidate is ________ (fill in the blank: old, racist, stupid, uncool).

notropis on March 30, 2010 at 11:31 AM

White?

Bible Clinger?

Gun Toter?

cntrlfrk on March 30, 2010 at 11:33 AM

Just goes to show you: being ignorant can be expensive.

WannabeAnglican on March 30, 2010 at 11:34 AM

Sadly, by 2014, the Republicans may be in control of Congress, so if they don’t repeal (ALL OF) ObamaCare, they’ll either be taking the blame for the pain, or complicit in the final fiscal meltdown of our country (if they keep the “give-aways” and repeal the “take-aways”).

notropis on March 30, 2010 at 11:31 AM

That’s why it’s important for the Bill to be struck down as Unconstitutional in the courts, and hopefully it makes it’s way to the Supreme Court for them to decide and soon. For get repeal it needs to be challenged on all it’s Unconstitutional provisions.

Dr Evil on March 30, 2010 at 11:35 AM

I love all of these malcontents and this “so called” bill placing unattainable rules and regulations on the medical community…. especially the doctors! They will eventually demand the “EQUALIZATION” clause for doctors deeming them NO
different and no better than us and in comes the nationalization of “nurse practicioners”(no offense) they will be the “new” doctors, the heck with all of those overpriced snobby capatilist pig doctors who drive better cars than you. So get ready for the dumming down of the medical field and oh thanks young folks….hope y’all dont get sick anytime soon!

justonevictory on March 30, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Enlistment desks appearing soon on a college campus in your neighborhood. Bring your friends and find out what a career as a Professional Thug can do for you.

Bishop on March 30, 2010 at 11:25 AM

There’s a pencil-pusher I know by the name of Jimbo3 who might be interested in that sort of work.

RepubChica on March 30, 2010 at 11:36 AM

RepubChica on March 30, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Probably too much physical work involved.

Aviator on March 30, 2010 at 11:38 AM

One of the scariest things about Obiecare is that it is going to pit so many Americans against each other (young vs old)..(Doctors vs The system)..(corporations vs workers). That is NOT America! We have to stop this nightmare. The fate of the Country as we know it is hanging in the balance.

Dire Straits on March 30, 2010 at 11:39 AM

There is a misprint here. I think that the the AP meant to say 1,700% and not 17%. This will be more in line with the true cost to them. Hope & Change hurts, don’t it?

joe btfsplk on March 30, 2010 at 11:39 AM

Whatever happened to “If you like your insurance you can keep insurance and the cost will be less?” I personally think that the media should daily be asking the filthy lying dictator and all the criminal class that voted this in that very question.

highhopes on March 30, 2010 at 11:39 AM

Thanks to Congress, these low-risk clients no longer have the option of choosing high-deductible catastrophic insurance with HSAs for routine medical work, but have to buy comprehensive insurance plans that wind up subsidizing their parents and grandparents.

But Ed, this is designed to counteract that evil “race to the bottom” that Obama and Dems keep whining about as the problem with opening the sale of health insurance across state lines. The federal government has to make all of us pay for bullsh*t that we don’t want.

BTW: it just occurred to me why Obama and Dems keep touting the age 26 benefit rather than viewing it as laughable nanny-statism. Obama is tanking the economy so badly that many of these dopey young voters coming out of college at 22 are stepping into a horrible economy. If they’re not employed, and least Obama has a way to take care of them in this respect.

Here you go 20-somethings–here’s your bottle.

In Obama’s eyes, the Chinese proverb is all wrong: it’s better to give a man a fish so that he eats for only a day rather than teaching a man to fish so that he eats for a lifetime.

BuckeyeSam on March 30, 2010 at 11:39 AM

I wonder how conservative might be that 17% figure. If market-driven inflation kicks in, with/or Cap&Trade itself making life more expensive by government force, these kids are really going to be howling.

Add in income taxes and all other taxes we pay, these poor Obama-loving darlings might end up keeping $1.50 for every $10 they earn.

Liam on March 30, 2010 at 11:42 AM

F*** the vote? Pledging to only have sex with Obama supporters? I hadn’t heard about this.

In other words: VD the Vote! Pledge only to share venereal disease among Obama zombies. Brilliant!

shick on March 30, 2010 at 11:42 AM

Hey take it easy on the kids, or as one poster described us, “the dumbest generation.” 1) Not all of us voted for Obama. 2) We’re the ones who are going to be stuck paying your entitlements. 3) Our generation has been voluntarily fighting two wars since 2001. 4) Children are a product of their parents, so if you have a problem with the ignorant “Obama zombies”, hold their hippy parents responsible as well.

Shock the Monkey on March 30, 2010 at 11:43 AM

The Youth will then have to lie to themselves that they’re paying their fair share of the cost of utopia – or they’ll just get their parents to continue to pay for their health coverage.

emerson7 on March 30, 2010 at 11:45 AM

Just goes to show you: being ignorant can be expensive.

WannabeAnglican on March 30, 2010 at 11:34 AM

Sometimes free can be most expensive too. Just wait till amnesty. Whites could be the 21st century Jews, persecuted for doing the best with what they have. Will there be a white exodus in the USA? Ask the doctors. When you start getting less for something than you put into it, things change.

saiga on March 30, 2010 at 11:45 AM

Sometimes, i just can’t stand my generation. They talk in talking points and when they can’t argue, they want to “change the subject.”

deidre on March 30, 2010 at 11:46 AM

Insurers typically charge six or seven times as much to older customers as to younger ones in states with no restrictions. The new law limits the ratio to 3-to-1, meaning a 50-year-old could be charged only three times as much as a 20-year-old.

This is even going to be worse when you consider lifestyle choices and pre-existing conditions.

A 3 pack a day smoker, alcoholic, diabetic that is 4’6″, 360lbs, 3 previous heart attacks and cancer suvivor, MUST be covered and can only be charged 3x a 22 year old 6’6″ 180lb male who runs 3 miles a day, never smoked or drinked.

Sounds fair to me…

barnone on March 30, 2010 at 11:47 AM

Sometimes, i just can’t stand my generation. They talk in talking points and when they can’t argue, they want to “change the subject.”

deidre on March 30, 2010 at 11:46 AM

Have you ever tried to get a young Leftist to read a non-fiction book? Impossible.

visions on March 30, 2010 at 11:49 AM

Ed:

First I discover that you know ALL about s** bondage and films of that genre and now you drop F*** bombs all over this post. Oh, the disappointment!

I await CK’s ‘Bondage/F*** Bomb Haters’ column.

LOL. Early, April fools.

JimP on March 30, 2010 at 11:49 AM

Have you ever tried to get a young Leftist to read a non-fiction book? Impossible.

visions on March 30, 2010 at 11:49 AM

Exactly, it won’t happen; and if you try to talk facts with them, they go on to “but he’s helping people get insurance.” You try to explain how it won’t help but will make health care worse, and they just don’t care to listen. My generation is just so screwed up!

deidre on March 30, 2010 at 11:51 AM

The next 5 years will be very interesting as we attempt to establish once again what kind of country we want to be. The economics of socialism will clearly curtail economic ambition with high earners, whick pay the lyons share of taxes. As the redistribution of wealth continues, the incentive to be a “helpless victim” will create more hopeless victims, which will cost more and more to support. It is a downward spiral. I predict the democrat party will be the big benificiary of amnesty and other increased numbers welfare dependents, and likely dominate future politics as a result. However, the end game will get tougher and tougher as the geese laying golden eggs get the hell out.

saiga on March 30, 2010 at 11:53 AM

Sometimes, i just can’t stand my generation. They talk in talking points and when they can’t argue, they want to “change the subject.”

deidre on March 30, 2010 at 11:46 AM

Don’t give up on them yet, dear one! It took me until I was about 30 years old before I’d had enough personal first hand experience to start intelligently questioning what I’d been told was conventional wisdom. Until then I simply regurgitated similar talking points.

It takes courage to challenge the “norm” or accepted liberal mainstream garbage, and one must be prepared to buck some serious attitudes. You seem to be one such courageous person. Kudos to you for having the moxie to not run blindly over the cliff with the lemmings!

KendraWilder on March 30, 2010 at 11:54 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRgB2eeHZEw Here you go people.

twiggman on March 30, 2010 at 11:55 AM

Hey take it easy on the kids, or as one poster described us, “the dumbest generation.” 1) Not all of us voted for Obama. 2) We’re the ones who are going to be stuck paying your entitlements. 3) Our generation has been voluntarily fighting two wars since 2001. 4) Children are a product of their parents, so if you have a problem with the ignorant “Obama zombies”, hold their hippy parents responsible as well.

Shock the Monkey on March 30, 2010 at 11:43 AM

Exactly. My mother was a child of the 60s (she was born in 53) but that doesn’t mean that she raised me to feel entitled. While I admit that my generation isn’t exactly the smartest, the ones behind us are worse. It’s sad, but it’s true.

Like this poster said, it’s not all of us. I mean there are even more younger adults on this site than even I thought.

There are stupid middle aged people as well. I mean our generation still doesn’t outnumber the Baby Boomers. It’s close, but it’s not there yet and we certainly don’t outnumber them when it comes to voting age.

MobileVideoEngineer on March 30, 2010 at 11:58 AM

Insurers typically charge six or seven times as much to older customers as to younger ones in states with no restrictions. The new law limits the ratio to 3-to-1, meaning a 50-year-old could be charged only three times as much as a 20-year-old.

Doubling the rate on 20 year olds would make up for only being able to charge 3x the average max.

17% a year compounded doubles their rates in just over 4 years, right when the government forces insurers to insure pre-existing conditions in 2014.

Coincidence?

Chuck Schick on March 30, 2010 at 11:58 AM

Let me make this clear, you really have to read the bill to see all the good things.

rjoco1 on March 30, 2010 at 12:01 PM

The Left really is childish.

Holger on March 30, 2010 at 12:08 PM

It’s only fair that young people get reamed; they’re the ones who came out big for Barry Hussein Alinsky. I love it when turkeys vote for Thanksgiving.

Travis Bickle on March 30, 2010 at 12:13 PM

Had I been permitted to invest those retirement and medical dollars in private accounts instead of turning it over to the feds, how different things would be today. And we’re supposed to trust Obama and the Dems and feds with a nationalized health care program? What a joke!

KendraWilder on March 30, 2010 at 11:31 AM

As someone smack-dab in the middle, all I want is this fixed for my kids and future generations.

- Over 50: You can stay in the system as is.
- Anyone can opt out of the system for reduced tax rates.
- Under 30: You are not pert of the system, but will have lower tax rates.

WashJeff on March 30, 2010 at 12:14 PM

idiot kids voted this clown into office. Equality costs them more than they thought. hahahahahahahaha

jbh45 on March 30, 2010 at 12:14 PM

Here in Texas a 24 year old can get a high deductible major medical plan for about $85 per month. Once this crap sandwich kicks in, where ALL policies will be comprehensive bumper-to-bumper with low co-pays, it’s going up a heck of a lot more than 17%. Probably closer to 170%, or more.

iurockhead on March 30, 2010 at 12:15 PM

Obama is gambling on what Howard Dean said. Balancing the redistribution of wealth. Go too far, and you kill work incentives. Don’t go far enough, and too much wealth is concentrated in a small minority.

The founding fathers were right on this. Create an even playing field, and it is OK if the cream rises to the top.
Free market Capitalism has created the richest society ever, and like chairman Mao said” a rising tide floats all boats”.

saiga on March 30, 2010 at 12:18 PM

a 17% increase THIS MONTH. What about next month?

Pablo Snooze on March 30, 2010 at 12:20 PM

Finally, I’ve been saying this from the beginning.
Once the young people find out that they are the ones that will be paying more, not the already rich, not the insurance companies or Republicans, they are going to be very upset.
Obamacare is most like the German system , where their is a mandate, a government and private option.
All working people pay at least 15.35 percent of their monthly income for basic healthcare insurance, plus 80 euros each month for long term care.
The young pay all their lives, from every dime they make.
Of course, this is addition to other income tax.
Europeans live in small homes, have far fewer personal vehicles,clothes ,updated tech and tend to live at home with their parents far longer, not out of preference by necessity. They simply can not afford the lifestyle that American youth enjoy.
It’s the young that will be hurt the most and it would be wise of Obama’s opposition to push this point above all others

LeeSeneca on March 30, 2010 at 12:25 PM

Some amusing notes:

*The linked AP article says “Health premiums could rise 17 pct for young adults”. Ed Morrissey disingenuously changes that to “AP: Young adults will see a 17% increase in premiums under ObamaCare”.

*The article mentions that tax credits could offset these increases. Even though you folks on the right loooove your tax cuts, somehow Morrissey finds this unworthy of comment.

*Worst of all, there’s no comparison to how much premiums would have increased if the health care reform hadn’t passed. If they increase 17% under this plan, but would have increased 27% without it, then that’s a good thing. The article makes no effort to explain what the actual opportunity costs are. Neither does Morrissey. Without this comparison, these numbers are meaningless.

orange on March 30, 2010 at 12:28 PM

Now would be a great time to ask your employer for the $2,500 raise that Comrade Barry said you would get from health insurance savings….don’t you think? Just tell them you’ll walk right out the door if you don’t get it! You aren’t “chicken” are you?

joe btfsplk on March 30, 2010 at 12:28 PM

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