Social Security will tip over into annual deficits … now

posted at 10:12 am on March 25, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Give the New York Times some credit in reporting the retreat of Social Security into red ink … but don’t give them too much credit.  We’ve been writing about this for the last few years, and when we wrote about it, we presented the entire political backstory, including how Barack Obama’s OMB Director Peter Orszag predicted in 2008, while running the CBO, that this day would come — in 2019.  We included mentions of how Harry Reid and other Democrats insisted in 2005 that George Bush was scaremongering when he attempted to reform SSA through partial, elective privatization, and how they assured us that Social Security was safe for decades without reform.

Does the Times mention any of this?  Not exactly.  In fact, the name “Orszag” doesn’t appear once, nor does the name “Reid.”  Guess how many times the name “Greenspan” appears in this article by Mary Williams Walsh?  Five:

The bursting of the real estate bubble and the ensuing recession have hurt jobs, home prices and now Social Security.

This year, the system will pay out more in benefits than it receives in payroll taxes, an important threshold it was not expected to cross until at least 2016, according to the Congressional Budget Office. …

Mr. Goss, the actuary, emphasized that even the $29 billion shortfall projected for this year was small, relative to the roughly $700 billion that would flow in and out of the system. The system, he added, has a balance of about $2.5 trillion that will take decades to deplete. Mr. Goss said that large cushion could start to grow again if the economy recovers briskly.

Indeed, the Congressional Budget Office’s projection shows the ravages of the recession easing in the next few years, with small surpluses reappearing briefly in 2014 and 2015.

After that, demographic forces are expected to overtake the fund, as more and more baby boomers leave the work force, stop paying into the program and start collecting their benefits. At that point, outlays will exceed revenue every year, no matter how well the economy performs.

Er, what $2.5 trillion balance?  Al Gore (another name absent from this report) talked about a “lockbox” for Social Security assets, but they’re vaporware.  It consists of Treasury IOUs that the US has to pay by selling more debt.   The program has no hard cash of its own.  As it falls into the red, benefits have to be paid through borrowing, whether the SSA does it directly or Treasury does it indirectly.  Congress spends it all every year in order to cover its own deficits, or at least make those deficits look better than they would otherwise.

Forget those two years of black ink, too.  That will only happen under the rosiest of scenarios for economic growth and employment.  As the recession’s effects continue, people will continue retiring earlier or not going back to work.  SSA’s revenues will continue to plateau before dropping steeply as the rest of the Baby Boomers leave the workforce and demand their benefits.

Some people predicted this day would arrive at about this time; those were the people Democrats accused of attempting to frighten seniors out of their benefits.  Some predicted that this day wouldn’t come for almost a decade longer than it did and argued that reform wasn’t necessary in 2005, when it may have helped extend SSA’s life.  Those are the people making the economic decisions in the White House now.

The country’s in the best of hands.

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Is this chart Pre-Obamacare?

Because the left keeps assuring me that Obamacare is going to solve all these pesky math problems.

BadgerHawk on March 25, 2010 at 10:15 AM

The country’s in the best of hands, the country’s in the worst of hands. The summer soldier and sunshine patriot shall….

ted c on March 25, 2010 at 10:15 AM

Ooops.

JamesLee on March 25, 2010 at 10:15 AM

We’re fooked.

Dominion on March 25, 2010 at 10:16 AM

The system, he added, has a balance of about $2.5 trillion that will take decades to deplete.

Lol.

BadgerHawk on March 25, 2010 at 10:16 AM

Try running the numbers again through TurboTax…

tetriskid on March 25, 2010 at 10:17 AM

One of the few good things about being a teacher–we don’t pay into it.

But I hope someone will correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t GWB warn about this problem too?

Bob's Kid on March 25, 2010 at 10:17 AM

Obamacare is going to solve all these pesky math problems.

BadgerHawk on March 25, 2010 at 10:15 AM

Math is hard: Obama Barbie.

MarkTheGreat on March 25, 2010 at 10:17 AM

Can’t the Obama Adminsitration just take the money out of Medicare to cover the Social Security deficit? After all, they’re already double-counting the Medicare tax funds in the ObamaCare® bill, so why not just triple-count it and say the problem is solved?

jon1979 on March 25, 2010 at 10:17 AM

That’s OK. Dems will just have to raid our retirement accounts a little earlier than expected.

bopbottle on March 25, 2010 at 10:18 AM

Great…Some more good news…ugh.

DJ from MA on March 25, 2010 at 10:18 AM

Bridge to Scotty:
*Print…more…money*

Scotty to Bridge:
*I’m printing as fast as i can captain!*

ted c on March 25, 2010 at 10:19 AM

THERE are 4.5 MILLION people out of work since Obama became president.

NONE OF US are paying social security taxes from our unemployment.

Where is THAT in the math???

originalpechanga on March 25, 2010 at 10:19 AM

One of the few good things about being a teacher–we don’t pay into it.

But I hope someone will correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t GWB warn about this problem too?

Bob’s Kid on March 25, 2010 at 10:17 AM

He did.

bopbottle on March 25, 2010 at 10:19 AM

Our leaders aren’t responsible. There must be an appropriate aphorism about how we’re screwed. Just doesn’t come immediately to mind. Maybe something Chinese, with the word “debt” in it.

Paul-Cincy on March 25, 2010 at 10:19 AM

good thing we don’t have to pay for kids with preexisting conditions in obamacare…that’ll save us tons….er…wait?

ted c on March 25, 2010 at 10:19 AM

This is just a temporary issue thanks to 0bamaCare(TM)…

Just watch the documentaries Logan’s Run and Soylent Green for the solution.

Wolftech on March 25, 2010 at 10:20 AM

Can’t the Obama Adminsitration just take the money out of Medicare to cover the Social Security deficit?

jon1979 on March 25, 2010 at 10:17 AM

Of course, it’s just like paying your Mastercard bill with your Visa. Everybody does that…right?

Oldnuke on March 25, 2010 at 10:20 AM

That’s ok, they will now nationalize more of the private sector, and save us trillions more, just like obamacare will.

OK, I was telling a tom shitley.

rightside on March 25, 2010 at 10:20 AM

Chinese Warship to US Port.

“Let us in so we can disembark and inspect all our sh!t.”

Futures.

ted c on March 25, 2010 at 10:20 AM

You are all racists for pointing these false truths out.

bloggless on March 25, 2010 at 10:21 AM

Why do you think we need Amnesty? We need millions more young slaves workers to pay into SSN.

Of course that implies they’ll have jobs to make wages to pay into SS… Or make high enough wages to cover SS’ costs…

Skywise on March 25, 2010 at 10:21 AM

But I hope someone will correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t GWB warn about this problem too?

Bob’s Kid on March 25, 2010 at 10:17 AM

Did you bother to read what Ed wrote?

Midas on March 25, 2010 at 10:22 AM

This is nothing to worry about. Follow me:
Obamacare=medicare cuts=less seniors=less social security

See? Nothing to worry about. Now where is that spitter?

bloggless on March 25, 2010 at 10:23 AM

the fun begins.

might as well buy my new camera now
document the downfall

blatantblue on March 25, 2010 at 10:25 AM

Midas on March 25, 2010 at 10:22 AM

Are you a teacher?

bloggless on March 25, 2010 at 10:25 AM

Can someone please alter the Bush billboard from “Miss Me Yet?” to “I Told You So!”

WashJeff on March 25, 2010 at 10:26 AM

Peter Orszag has hired a crack staff of professors from the University of East Anglia CRU to help hide the decline.

WashJeff on March 25, 2010 at 10:28 AM

Give the New York Times some credit

I will do no such thing. They are motivating the coming massive increase in taxation, not raising some clarion call for fiscal responsibility and restraint.

The entire Obama kabuki has been an organized bait-and-switch campaign from the start.

spmat on March 25, 2010 at 10:29 AM

Skywise on March 25, 2010 at 10:21 AM

Gets complicated, doesn’t it? Running hard, looking back over shoulder at alligator. best symbolized by that grotesque picture of Pelosi, head thrown back, chortling in glee.

a capella on March 25, 2010 at 10:30 AM

The economy crashes all parts crash. Somehow the liberal morons seem to think their part isn’t hurt.

The SS actuary has said this, I think it was back in December … That if the economy didn’t improve SS would be in the red. The original FDR lies coming home to roost. FDR was telling the American people there was a lock-box, and it was like ‘insurance’, all the while FDR was arguing to the Supreme Court that it was tax for general use.

The lock-box money has been spent, just as FDR had intended.

Stalin had a name for these people who repeatedly buy into the Socialists lies, the free stuff crowd, it was “useful idiots”.

tarpon on March 25, 2010 at 10:30 AM

Of course, it’s just like paying your Mastercard bill with your Visa. Everybody does that…right?

Oldnuke on March 25, 2010 at 10:20 AM

Yeas, but in the government’s case, Obama would just solve the problem by nationalizing the credit card industry, and seizing operations from the issuers. Then they could late-pay to their heart’s desire and sent the interest penalties and late charges out to the public.

jon1979 on March 25, 2010 at 10:30 AM

No problem, they can just tax “the rich” more.

Everyone needs their fair share.

I wonder if the numbers show the vast number of people who have migrated to SSDI payments as a result of welfare reform?

I know they were trying to undo many of the 90s welfare reform initiatives, that might help extend the life of SS another couple of years.

Huge incentive to work under the table now.

reaganaut on March 25, 2010 at 10:30 AM

But I hope someone will correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t GWB warn about this problem too?

Bob’s Kid on March 25, 2010 at 10:17 AM

Sure did. Dems told Chimpy McHitler to shut up and bring the troops home from the war we lost.

fogw on March 25, 2010 at 10:31 AM

this is all a ruse to implement the VAT tax, dont help them GOP. Krauthammer is absolutely right, the deficit reduction panel BS is going to say VAT tax and then these loons will have a permanent revenue stream… speaking as a Gen Xer Im sick of getting squeezed….

ginaswo on March 25, 2010 at 10:31 AM

And since we started “legally” aborting future workforce in 1973, there are tens of millions fewer workers missing who would have been contributing to Social Security to pay for the folks retiring now.

Liberalism may take a long time to come back and bite you, but it always does…and hard!

AubieJon on March 25, 2010 at 10:32 AM

Are you a teacher?

bloggless on March 25, 2010 at 10:25 AM

No; why do you ask?

Do teacher’s get a pass when asking a question that was already answered in the post they don’t seem to have read?

Midas on March 25, 2010 at 10:32 AM

The Uh Dolts have everything under control, wingnuts.

Good Lt on March 25, 2010 at 10:32 AM

Madoff’s only mistake was doing it privately. If you do it from Congress, it’s not a crime.

RBMN on March 25, 2010 at 10:32 AM

NO ONE who believes in deficits should ever be elected.

tim c on March 25, 2010 at 10:33 AM

Cloward–Piven: bankrupt the country, then impose fascism/socialism as the only “solution” to the problem they created.

The progressives have a plan, and it’s working.

If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stomping on a human face – forever.
-George Orwell

Rebar on March 25, 2010 at 10:33 AM

Good thing that the CBO report on health-care told us we would save money, we can make up the difference in SS with the savings…

Oh wait…

darclon on March 25, 2010 at 10:34 AM

And since we started “legally” aborting future workforce in 1973, there are tens of millions fewer workers missing who would have been contributing to Social Security to pay for the folks retiring now.

Liberalism may take a long time to come back and bite you, but it always does…and hard!

AubieJon on March 25, 2010 at 10:32 AM

Fixed. Sorry.

AubieJon on March 25, 2010 at 10:35 AM

the fun begins.

might as well buy my new camera now
document the downfall

blatantblue on March 25, 2010 at 10:25 AM

Anybody want to setup the Galactic Encyclopedia Foundation? :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_series

Skywise on March 25, 2010 at 10:35 AM

This story brings a mental image of Obama sitting the Oval Office with a very smug “the plan is coming together perfectly” smile on his face.

Midas on March 25, 2010 at 10:36 AM

My retirement will go something like this: “Dear, would you like a milkbone with that bowl of alpo”?

jbh45 on March 25, 2010 at 10:36 AM

Is there any financial problem at the federal-, state-, or local-level of governments that are NOT caused by defined benefit pensions?

WashJeff on March 25, 2010 at 10:36 AM

They are motivating the coming massive increase in taxation, not raising some clarion call for fiscal responsibility and restraint.

They’ll go after 401ks and IRAs now.

“You greedy SOBs that saved your own money! It’s not fair!”

reaganaut on March 25, 2010 at 10:37 AM

My husband and I just buy and sell things to make a living and it totally chaps me that we have to pay the whole 15.3% FICA when I know in my heart that I won’t get SS as it exists now. I’m 43 and he’s 51. I’m sorely tempted to go back to corporate America for a real job with benefits. At least then the employer pays 1/2 of this fantasy tax. But right now, I can bring my kids to work at the store and stay at home with them while I do computer stuff for the biz. Maybe when they are in school.

mrsmwp on March 25, 2010 at 10:37 AM

My retirement will go something like this: “Dear, would you like a milkbone with that bowl of alpo”?

jbh45 on March 25, 2010 at 10:36 AM

Whoa – you’re going to have milkbone’s *and* alpo?

LUXURY!

Midas on March 25, 2010 at 10:37 AM

Can’t the Obama Adminsitration just take the money out of Medicare to cover the Social Security deficit?

jon1979 on March 25, 2010 at 10:17 AM

I believe that was part of the shell game to cook the numbers.

Bob’s Kid: PA teachers pay into SS, Medicare, and unemployment taxes, as well as into their retirement. The local school disticts pay one-third towards retirement and the state supposedly pays one-third. The latter, however, has reneged on its portion for some time for its school- system 50-5o support for education, and the retirement funds are woefully underfunded.

onlineanalyst on March 25, 2010 at 10:38 AM

They’ll go after 401ks and IRAs now.

“You greedy SOBs that saved your own money! It’s not fair!”

reaganaut on March 25, 2010 at 10:37 AM

As hard as that is to believe, I think you are not that far off. If we don’t fight this now, then when?

jbh45 on March 25, 2010 at 10:39 AM

Hmmmmm…… Another crisis. Never let a good crisis go to waste. I guess the only way to fix social security is amnesty.

ldbgcoleman on March 25, 2010 at 10:39 AM

The bursting of the real estate bubble and the ensuing recession have hurt jobs, home prices and now Social Security.

Sorry, but we knew SS was in trouble long before the housing bubble burst. Some people (Democrats) just insisted on sticking their heads in the sand.

Kafir on March 25, 2010 at 10:39 AM

I don’t know why the Chinese would lend us any more money after they saw the way the GM and Chrysler bondholders were treated.

John Deaux on March 25, 2010 at 10:40 AM

Whoa – you’re going to have milkbone’s *and* alpo?

LUXURY!

Midas on March 25, 2010 at 10:37 AM

Yep, it won’t be too ruff.

jbh45 on March 25, 2010 at 10:40 AM

They’ll go after 401ks and IRAs now.

“You greedy SOBs that saved your own money! It’s not fair!”

reaganaut on March 25, 2010 at 10:37 AM

I keep thinking, with every new offense that the Dems pass against us, “well, *this* has to the straw that breaks the camel’s back” – but it isn’t.

I wonder if even stealing our 401k’s and IRA’s would be ‘it’ anymore.

Midas on March 25, 2010 at 10:41 AM

Madoff’s only mistake was doing it privately. If you do it from Congress, it’s not a crime.

RBMN on March 25, 2010 at 10:32 AM

As we learned in the Health Care debate, bribery isn’t a crime either when a congressman does it.

MarkTheGreat on March 25, 2010 at 10:41 AM

reaganaut on March 25, 2010 at 10:37 AM
They’ll go after 401ks and IRAs now.

They will print more money to cover their debts and inflation will effectively raid your 401k.

Paul-Cincy on March 25, 2010 at 10:41 AM

I don’t know why the Chinese would lend us any more money after they saw the way the GM and Chrysler bondholders were treated.

John Deaux on March 25, 2010 at 10:40 AM

GM and Chrysler bondholders don’t have a standing army to back up their claims with.

Midas on March 25, 2010 at 10:41 AM

Midas on March 25, 2010 at 10:32 AM

Don’t be offended, I laughed when I saw your reply also. Very teacher/mom sort of thing to say.

Cindy Munford on March 25, 2010 at 10:42 AM

They’ll go after 401ks and IRAs now.

“You greedy SOBs that saved your own money! It’s not fair!”

reaganaut on March 25, 2010 at 10:37 AM

I wonder how they will approach this. I agree it is coming, but can’t see how they can do it without creating major civil unrest.

a capella on March 25, 2010 at 10:42 AM

Lets see if the Republicans have the stones to place the blame where it belongs: squarely on the Demccrats shoulders.

They demonized Bush for wanting to try to take care of this ten years ago. They also swore up and down there was no problems at Fanny and Freddy, when Bush tried to root out the corruption over there. That started the ball rolling that put us with a recession and 10%+ unemployment.

Own it, Leftards!

JamesLee on March 25, 2010 at 10:42 AM

They’ll go after 401ks and IRAs now.

“You greedy SOBs that saved your own money! It’s not fair!”

reaganaut on March 25, 2010 at 10:37 AM

That would be like issuing their own death warrant.

Don’t tread on my savings.

fogw on March 25, 2010 at 10:42 AM

Funny how the stock market continues to climb…must be Democrat investors.

royzer on March 25, 2010 at 10:42 AM

They’ll go after 401ks and IRAs now.

“You greedy SOBs that saved your own money! It’s not fair!”

reaganaut on March 25, 2010 at 10:37 AM

Apparently the SEIU has already brought that very thing up a few times. Not sure how far that will go, but it is on the radar now. The VAT is another thing. It most likely will have to be approved. By 2019 the Fed projected that 80% of all tax receipts will be spent just servicing interest on the debt. That does not leave much for anything else.

Johnnyreb on March 25, 2010 at 10:43 AM

You know what? I qualify for Medicare in a month. And I qualify for full Social Security benefits next year. And guess what? I’m gonna suck those babies dry with every ounce of energy that I have?

Yes, I am a Conservative. Yes, I voted for Sarah Palin (and not John McCain). And yes, I feel like I’ve paid for these entitlements by paying taxes all my life and guess what?

I want my freakin’ money back, now!

pabarge on March 25, 2010 at 10:43 AM

Funny how the stock market continues to climb…must be Democrat investors.

royzer on March 25, 2010 at 10:42 AM

It’s people fleeing the bond markets.

MarkTheGreat on March 25, 2010 at 10:44 AM

a capella on March 25, 2010 at 10:42 AM

This has been a hot topic with libs for a few years. I can’t envision how they would do this without people taking up arms…but maybe they think we are all talk only.

jbh45 on March 25, 2010 at 10:44 AM

Cindy Munford on March 25, 2010 at 10:42 AM

Bob’s kid is a teacher.:)

a capella on March 25, 2010 at 10:45 AM

Midas on March 25, 2010 at 10:32 AM
Don’t be offended, I laughed when I saw your reply also. Very teacher/mom sort of thing to say.

Cindy Munford on March 25, 2010 at 10:42 AM

;)

I am neither teacher nor mom, though after arguing with immature and thick-headed liberals at length, I start to feel a bit like both, perhaps.

Midas on March 25, 2010 at 10:45 AM

Cloward–Piven: bankrupt the country, then impose fascism/socialism as the only “solution” to the problem they created.

The progressives have a plan, and it’s working.

Rebar on March 25, 2010 at 10:33 AM

The problem is that Cloward-Piven assumes that the citizens will either sit idly by while their betters sort this out or clamor to be taken care of. It also assumes that military and law enforcement will take the side of socialism in the interest of keeping the peace.

The Second Amendment was put there precisely to prevent Cloward-Piven.

John Deaux on March 25, 2010 at 10:46 AM

Wouldn’t it have been great if this story, reported by a credible source had come out before health care was pushed through. I am being silly, the average person thinks the government will just tax those evil rich people more and all will be well.

Cindy Munford on March 25, 2010 at 10:46 AM

Barack Obama’s OMB Director Peter Orszag predicted in 2008, while running the CBO, that this day would come — in 2019.

In Obama’s defense: this is one of the very few statements he’s ever made that was technically true.

What OBAMA said was that SS would become bankrupt in 2012 if we didn’t take the drastic action he proposed.

Well, as it turns out, we DID take the drastic action Obama demanded. And SS did NOT, in fact, go bankrupt in 2019.

So I’m going to go ahead and give Obama for telling the truth on this one.

logis on March 25, 2010 at 10:46 AM

Democrats – Here’s the broom and here’s the rug….start sweeping.

yoda on March 25, 2010 at 10:47 AM

There is no deficit in Social Security. The Government owes the Social Security trust trillions of dollars. All that is happening is that social security is paying out more than they are taking in this year.

How has Obama reacted? For this healthcare bill he is taking $55 billion out of social security. As a special slap in the face to retirees he is cutting Medicare by $523 billion. Why is he doing this? IMHO it is because he and his progressive democrats have no idea how angry he is making seniors and baby boomers alike. His continuous attempts for form a generation gap between baby boomers and Gen X and Gen y has met with some success. Until now. I know this will change and the three generation froups will unite in common purpose to throw the progressives out on their ear. Then we will get our country back.

kanda on March 25, 2010 at 10:47 AM

Funny how the stock market continues to climb…must be Democrat investors.

royzer on March 25, 2010 at 10:42 AM

There are many cases in history where the stock market run-ups do NOT reflect the underpinnings of the economy. The late 1920′s is one example.

WashJeff on March 25, 2010 at 10:48 AM

Serious question: Can America afford another three years of the filthy lying dictator and his corrupt administration?

I understand the “voting them out at the ballot box” thing but I simply do not see how even with more GOP presence in Congress this nation is going to survive with this rat bastard traitor in power until 2012 or 2016.

highhopes on March 25, 2010 at 10:48 AM

a capella on March 25, 2010 at 10:45 AM

Too funny. Sometimes the assignment is so long and boring (not really Mr. Morrissey)!

Cindy Munford on March 25, 2010 at 10:48 AM

Can’t the Obama Adminsitration just take the money out of Medicare to cover the Social Security deficit?

jon1979 on March 25, 2010 at 10:17 AM

Of course, it’s just like paying your Mastercard bill with your Visa. Everybody does that…right?

Oldnuke on March 25, 2010 at 10:20 AM

This will become a stated solution to the problem in the next 3 weeks. And the Obamaites and acolytes will say SS is now solvent for the next two millenia.

Amendment X on March 25, 2010 at 10:49 AM

They’ll go after 401ks and IRAs now.

“You greedy SOBs that saved your own money! It’s not fair!”

reaganaut on March 25, 2010 at 10:37 AM
That would be like issuing their own death warrant.

Don’t tread on my savings.

fogw on March 25, 2010 at 10:42 AM

When you take everything away from us, then we have nothing to lose.

John Deaux on March 25, 2010 at 10:49 AM

Impossible!

Nah, I’m not worried. Obama just has to open up his stash and donate all that money. We’ll be back in the black in no time!

CatsGodot on March 25, 2010 at 10:49 AM

Social security not solvent? As Ralph Wiggum would say, “That’s unpossible.”

cyclown on March 25, 2010 at 10:49 AM

This has been a hot topic with libs for a few years. I can’t envision how they would do this without people taking up arms…but maybe they think we are all talk only.

jbh45 on March 25, 2010 at 10:44 AM

I’m not sure they’re not right. I thought we’d be there over cap&trade, healthcare, etc, but we’re not.

They’ll do this, and our side will foam at the mouth about the destruction of the country, the economy, our freedoms, slavery, unconstitutional, froth froth, and then… recommend we vote but don’t, God forbid, even discuss anything else that the founders would’ve recommended long ago.

Midas on March 25, 2010 at 10:49 AM

It’s people fleeing the bond markets.

MarkTheGreat on March 25, 2010 at 10:44 AM

I hope they are not fleeing in their environmental friendly smart cars.

WashJeff on March 25, 2010 at 10:50 AM

Why do you think we need Amnesty? We need millions more young slaves workers to pay into SSN.

Of course that implies they’ll have jobs to make wages to pay into SS… Or make high enough wages to cover SS’ costs…

Skywise on March 25, 2010 at 10:21 AM

Illegals already pay into Social Security oand Medicare if they are working using a false SSN instead of just working for cash, or rather they would be if they were not getting the Additional Child Tax Credit. If you are illegal you can get an ITIN and with that you do not get Earned Income Tax Credit but you do qualify for the Child Tax Credit and the Additional Child Tax Credit. That credit refunds you all your Social Security withholding, if you have qualifying child or children and your income is low enough. The system is set up so low income illegals with children don’t contribute to Social Security.

Ted Torgerson on March 25, 2010 at 10:50 AM

I wonder how they will approach this. I agree it is coming, but can’t see how they can do it without creating major civil unrest.

a capella on March 25, 2010

Major civil unrest may be part of the plan. It would facilitate the enaction of martial law and total government control…but only until things get back to normal of course. Obama’s plan is working beautifully.
Clearly, we are all AnnInCA’d.

SKYFOX on March 25, 2010 at 10:50 AM

I understand the “voting them out at the ballot box” thing but I simply do not see how even with more GOP presence in Congress this nation is going to survive with this rat bastard traitor in power until 2012 or 2016.

highhopes on March 25, 2010 at 10:48 AM

If all we do is elect GOP you are right things will not change. If we elect conservatives from any party we can take our country back

kanda on March 25, 2010 at 10:51 AM

Watch for it. SS is going, going, gone….and they’ll still dip into everyone’s investment savings, and 401k’s. They’re just going to rob us blind, of everything we’ve worked for.

capejasmine on March 25, 2010 at 10:51 AM

kanda on March 25, 2010 at 10:47 AM

Yep and the clown campaigned on being the great uniter. I have seen nothing but divisions beween generations, races, and classes. Its only getting worse. The statist always needs an eneemy. Automakers, banks, Health Insurance carriers, tea party members, vets, senior citizens, etc….

jbh45 on March 25, 2010 at 10:51 AM

Serious question: Can America afford another three years of the filthy lying dictator and his corrupt administration?

I understand the “voting them out at the ballot box” thing but I simply do not see how even with more GOP presence in Congress this nation is going to survive with this rat bastard traitor in power until 2012 or 2016.

highhopes on March 25, 2010 at 10:48 AM

Serious answer: Obama and the lefty controlled Congress are nothing more than Bush and the Repub controlled Congress on steroids.
We need serious reform. Not just cleaning out Congress. It also needs to be sanitized.

Amendment X on March 25, 2010 at 10:51 AM

When you take everything away from us, then we have nothing to lose.
John Deaux on March 25, 2010 at 10:49 AM

No. You’re thinking like a banker, not a Communist.

When THEY take everything away from us, then we have nothing to eat.

logis on March 25, 2010 at 10:51 AM

As hard as that is to believe, I think you are not that far off

It has already been talked about.

reaganaut on March 25, 2010 at 10:52 AM

SKYFOX on March 25, 2010 at 10:50 AM

Exactly. They’re goading for it to happen. They want it to happen. Then play it out exactly as you said.

capejasmine on March 25, 2010 at 10:53 AM

Obama inherited this mess, therefore it is not his fault….. I think that the solution to the SS problem was seen during the HCR debate. Seated in the House gallery observing the spectacle – Christina Romer and Zeke Emanuel….. HC rationing just got a real smiley face…

kringeesmom on March 25, 2010 at 10:54 AM

They’ll go after 401ks and IRAs now.

“You greedy SOBs that saved your own money! It’s not fair!”

reaganaut on March 25, 2010 at 10:37 AM

Didn’t another member of ObaMao’s crack team suggest this “solution”?

onlineanalyst on March 25, 2010 at 10:54 AM

Didn’t another member of ObaMao’s crack team suggest this “solution”?

onlineanalyst on March 25, 2010 at 10:54 AM

Yes. I don’t remember her name, though.

Midas on March 25, 2010 at 10:55 AM

If all we do is elect GOP you are right things will not change. If we elect conservatives from any party we can take our country back

kanda on March 25, 2010 at 10:51 AM

After what we’ve witnessed over the past year, I think we can safely say there is no such thing as a conservative democrat. In some cases, the conservative republican is hard to find.

capejasmine on March 25, 2010 at 10:55 AM

Didn’t another member of ObaMao’s crack team suggest this “solution”?

onlineanalyst on March 25, 2010 at 10:54 AM

I remember Nancy herself talking about doing this. One way or the other, it will come up, and they will do it. Before November. More, and more is coming before November. They want to totally destroy the country before then.

capejasmine on March 25, 2010 at 10:57 AM

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