Report: GOP trying to torpedo Vitter amendment to repeal O-Care?; Update: Dems reject Coburn’s Viagra amendment
posted at 8:59 pm on March 24, 2010 by Allahpundit
Red State has the red siren up. But why?
Senate sources confirm to me this evening that Senator Mitch McConnell and his leadership team are trying to scuttle Republican efforts to force a vote on repeal of the entire health care legislation during the reconciliation process. I’m told reliably that moderate Republican senators who voted against Obamacare in December do not want to vote against it again because it would just be “symbolic”.
I assume the outrage here is due to the squishy RINOs not wanting to piss off blue-staters with another vote on the record against O-Care. I’m skeptical of that — they already bit the bullet in December and the bill hasn’t gotten appreciably more popular since then, so why blink now? — but assuming it’s true, how about patting ‘em on the back for having hung together with the party and sparing them a vote they don’t want to take? Vitter’s amendment accomplishes nothing: Like every GOP proposal offered in tonight’s vote-o-rama, it’s doomed to fail, but unlike most of the others, it won’t even succeed in making Democrats squirm. Coburn had the right idea with the Viagra amendment, as that’s at least potentially useful in attack ads. What does Vitter’s amendment do except remind people that, yes indeed, the Senate still supports the bill that it passed three months ago?
Here’s the full list of amendments, by the way, and here’s the updated roll call on amendments voted on thus far. Nothing yet on the Viagra amendment but that’ll be a golden moment. Consider this an open thread if you’re tuned into C-SPAN2 and following along. A little mood music for you while you watch…
Update: Via AHFF Geoff, let me be the first to say, “Why do Democrats want rapists to have Viagra?”
Democratic Sen. Max Baucus urged his colleagues to defeat the amendment.
“This is a serious bill. This is a serious debate. The amendment offered by the senator from Oklahoma makes a mockery of the Senate, the debate and the American people. It is not a serious amendment. It is a crass political stunt aimed at making 30-second commercials, not public policy,” he said.
Final tally: 57-42. Evan Bayh and Ben Nelson voted with the GOP. (Johnny Isakson isn’t there tonight, so there are only 40 Republicans.)
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I don’t condone violence at all, but you’re being intellectually dishonest. Fear, intimidation, and thuggery are all that we’ve seen out of the Obama administration, Pelosi and Reid’s Congress, and the media for the past 13 months. If you’d like to live in a People’s Republic, find one, but leave our Constitutional Republic alone.
jimmy2shoes on March 24, 2010 at 10:34 PM
On Randy Neugebauer’s FB page, there are a lot of libs calling his behavior disgusting and saying he should be ashamed of himself (they’re saying a lot worse than that, but you get the idea).
I find this mind-boggling – it’s the crime of the century to say someone (or something, ie the bill) is a baby-killer – but ACTUALLY killing babies? Eh, not so much.
WaltzingMtilda on March 24, 2010 at 10:34 PM
As opposed to sweet smelling armpit hair???
And what’s up with this ‘Why don’t you go AnninCA yourself’ stuff??
What the AnninCA ??
BigWyo on March 24, 2010 at 10:35 PM
I didn’t know that!
Today, she’s probably an ELF terrorist.
Lanceman on March 24, 2010 at 10:35 PM
Kay Hagan (D hack-NC) hasn’t voted in the last few times. She doesn’t want to go against her pimp, Chuck Schumer, who payed for her Senate seat, but she won’t go on record as voting to tax medical devices. I expect nothing more from her.
SouthernGent on March 24, 2010 at 10:35 PM
I suggest that you look at the list of amendments that Allahpundit has linked. There are many citizens adversely affected by this bad bill. And the middle class is about to take the brunt in the neck.
onlineanalyst on March 24, 2010 at 10:35 PM
So you live in Cali for 30 years, need health care. Cali is growing broke, even though you lean liberal. So you move to a conservative state, that’s done well, as a CONSERVATIVE state, for more security, and to get health care, but in the end, would you vote liberal?
I see this going on all over. All these people coming in from liberal states for jobs….then they’ll vote liberal, and muck up the good we have here. UGH!
capejasmine on March 24, 2010 at 10:36 PM
Confirmed: Dianne Feinstein has on black shoes.
SouthernGent on March 24, 2010 at 10:37 PM
The middle class has to be eliminated for an authoritarian state to arise.
RobbBond on March 24, 2010 at 10:37 PM
I KNOW the irony of that statement is not lost on the HotAir crowd.
Mojave Mark on March 24, 2010 at 10:38 PM
Obamacare is far worse than amnesty because it so directly and radically increases the power of the government, takes a huge chunk of personal freedom away and bankrupts the country. Amnesty is going to be bad in many levels but it is not as radically trans formative as Obamacare.
neuquenguy on March 24, 2010 at 10:38 PM
Grahmanasty is not up for re-election until 2014 so unless SC has a recall law he is safe to reach across the isle and slap conservatives across the face for three more years. As for his loverboy McCain if it weren’t for JD Hayworth McCain would be cozying up to the Pinnochio with his mistress Grahmnasty and helpin the dems vote in 30 million constituents for 2010.
JD Hayworth seriously needs to do a money bomb and get rid of the old inarticulate pandering McCain lest he somehow wrest the Publican nomination again or worse try to attach himself to the lovely and gracious Sarah as her veep. yuck! It really hurt to say that.
dhunter on March 24, 2010 at 10:38 PM
Honestly, I don’t play anyone. I just express myself here.
I think you guys probably know me better, politically, than my family does.
I like the blogs for that reason.
It’s a chance to just say what I really think.
AnninCA on March 24, 2010 at 10:38 PM
Amen!!
TXMomof3 on March 24, 2010 at 10:39 PM
Baxsh Maucush is shurely drink and must have dropped hish drunk!
dhunter on March 24, 2010 at 10:39 PM
Oh, I agree with you. I just think that, due to human nature, the immigration bill would create much more emotional upheaval in society than this health care bill.
RobbBond on March 24, 2010 at 10:41 PM
I left CA for one reason: My cost of living.
It’s just not a good place for me at this point in life. I never understood people who stayed in Detroit, either.
Why not move?
It’s a challenge, of course, but people need to be flexible to live OK, particularly in this day and age.
The other benefit? I’m now living next to family. I was not around family for most of my adult life. Something about my age just really triggered a need to get closer.
I think I’m actually downright typical, boring.
AnninCA on March 24, 2010 at 10:41 PM
Wow…I just watched the Bastardization of School House Rock video…
I used to love those things…And this one is right on target!!!
Just a little bit surprised that ‘The Race Card’ hasn’t showed up to poop all over it.
BigWyo on March 24, 2010 at 10:41 PM
So, sex offenders can get Via*ra? That is so important, such a part of the HC ‘crisis’, that the amendment had to be defeated?
And any amendments will kill the bill, according to the Dems? I don’t get that. If it’s so solid and wonderful, how can it be so flawed–like leaving out coverage for children–and so fragile that changes of any kind will gut it? Why didn’t the Dems get it right the first time?
I don’t get it…
Liam on March 24, 2010 at 10:42 PM
True, but the citizens of South Carolina would never forget that vote and he would be out in 2014. Again, not sure he would care. He’d probably have a nice job lined up at a fortune 500 company afterwards.
RobbBond on March 24, 2010 at 10:43 PM
I do use the *f* word. Apparently, that surprised some here.
Actually, I use that word way too often in RL, too. It’s a vice.
AnninCA on March 24, 2010 at 10:43 PM
Is that the reason your sick partner left you?
Knucklehead on March 24, 2010 at 10:44 PM
I think it was defeated because it’s so dumb. LOL*
We’re in the silly season here with this legislation.
AnninCA on March 24, 2010 at 10:44 PM
hey allah thanks for the link to my site centristnetblog.com
may i second your concise encapsulation of the 2010 gop campaign ad logo :)
Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter on March 24, 2010 at 10:45 PM
Look folks, I think I hate this bill just about as much as anyone (well, pretty much) but to me it’s counterproductive to write this defeat off as some sort of sinister plot or underhanded theft. The fact is the American people voted an overwhelming number of Democrats into office in 2008. The beauty of our nation is that we have a chance to counter that by voting an overwhelming number of Republicans into office in 2010. Simple as that.
And now, for all the grandstanding, it seems that some Dem Senators in shaky seats are being allowed to vote against the worst parts of the reconciliation bill (thanks to the Republicans). Might it not have been better to just make them all vote for it – up or down, all of it or none of it – instead of letting some of them say “well I voted against THAT piece of it.”?
jdp629 on March 24, 2010 at 10:46 PM
Good lord. The ammendments are being done on a partisan line. Almost everything the Republicans offer, is rejected, or tabled. They offer tax cuts, and ammendments to cut spending, and all are rejected.
capejasmine on March 24, 2010 at 10:47 PM
When you have an entire class of people willing to vote themselves free things from the government in the majority the country is over, done, through as we know it and will rapidly become a socialist state!
We are dangerously close to that now and add in 30 million illegals and open the borders and we are there!
The Indonesian Community organizer knows it. It has been the plan from day one. A permanent dependent majority voting themselves free stuff from the productive who become slaves to the freeloaders. Pinnochios’ ultimate in reperations, his parties ticket to power forever. He will absolutely try it!
dhunter on March 24, 2010 at 10:47 PM
Actually, I’m the culprit. I asked for the divorce. He still loathes me for that.
Here’s the truth. Knowing what I know today? I probably should have stuck it out and fought it out.
But hindsight is 20-20. He wasn’t a bad fellow at all, and we didn’t have a bad marriage.
But we sure were mad at one another after years of being madly in love.
Anyway, he was a good husband. The divorce was not his fault.
AnninCA on March 24, 2010 at 10:48 PM
They also voted a Republican into office in 2009 in Massachusetts and one of the big reasons was to stop this legislation. The reconciliation process was never meant to be used in this manner so I think it is rightly viewed as underhanded theft.
RobbBond on March 24, 2010 at 10:48 PM
I hope we will see more generalized outrage than we have seen so far. The Democrats might decide to put amnesty on the shelf until after the election to prevent this. On the other hand, if they go ahead with it, the Republicans have to make sure the Dems own all of it as well, which is not a sure thing considering some of the RINOs. If even one Republican votes for it the Dems and the MSM will make sure it is propagandized as a “bi-partisan” bill and we lose all electoral advantage.
neuquenguy on March 24, 2010 at 10:49 PM
God Bless that man for leaving you!
daesleeper on March 24, 2010 at 10:49 PM
Same problem in Florida with all the freakin’ idiot New Yorkers.
Lanceman on March 24, 2010 at 10:49 PM
Lanceman on March 24, 2010 at 10:50 PM
I agree.
I think that it will settle down. Then, we’ll find out what people really like and don’t like.
Some of that will also not be plausible. You can’t have insurance reform without the mandates, I’m afraid.
It’ll sort out.
AnninCA on March 24, 2010 at 10:50 PM
So did I just hear a Senator say that the Government is big enough to negotiate with medical device industry- catheters to prosthetics to pacemakers that injured vets won’t be forced to pay more?
And forcing the drug companies to make and sell flu shots and vaccines at reduced cost caused what to happen? oh yeah, we have fewer US drug companies involved in making vaccines. This is going to be a friggin disaster.
journeyintothewhirlwind on March 24, 2010 at 10:50 PM
I hope he’s happy as a clam today. That was always my personal wish.
AnninCA on March 24, 2010 at 10:51 PM
Hmmmmm, as opposed to “fake” life….
ucantbserious on March 24, 2010 at 10:51 PM
At the risk of being pelted with rotten produce, I am inclined to agree with McConnell’s contingent that a move to repeal it now would be pointless. It’s not like the ultimate outcome would be any different and it does run the risk of making us appear obstructionist.
I think our side needs to lay behind the log as they say here in the South and just bide our time. These people will give themselves enough rope to hang themselves eventually. We just need to concentrate on three things: 1) Keeping the less popular provisions of O-care first and foremost in voters’ minds, 2) Fighting amnesty, cap and tax, and whatever other power grabs they have in store before November, and 3) Winning back enough seats to either roll this thing back next year or, at a minimum, hold off funding for it until we can elect a GOP president in 2012 who will not veto a repeal and replace bill.
I just think it’s really important now to choose our battles judiciously. We need to keep our eye on the ball. We lost that battle but we must win this war.
NoLeftTurn on March 24, 2010 at 10:52 PM
It is precisely because of mandates that health insurance has the problems it has. It’s the same way with the housing crisis. Too much govt was the cause and yet we were led to believe that lack of “regulation” put us in that position. Until Americans are able to fundamentally change the way they think and reconsider the harmful effects of too much govt, we will continue to have crises of these types.
RobbBond on March 24, 2010 at 10:52 PM
You are a fcking snoozefest you silly transvestite.
daesleeper on March 24, 2010 at 10:52 PM
To accept just one Pub amendment would show that the Dems didn’t get everything right since the matter came up for debate 14 months ago, and it might be (ahem!) better to have included Pubs instead of freezing them out for most of the discussions.
Imagine if Pubs voted against something like Megan’s Law or something similar. The Dem cry would be “enabling” of sex offenders by rich white conservatives. Same with this shot-down amendment.
Imagine the stink of just one sex offender, in the future, commits a crime and he was on gov’t-provided Via*ra? Instant Pub talking point! LOL
Liam on March 24, 2010 at 10:53 PM
I am not sure. The industry got so messed up. The practices were just plain wild over the past 5 years.
Something had to give.
AnninCA on March 24, 2010 at 10:53 PM
Is anyone here surprised to hear this?
thomasaur on March 24, 2010 at 10:54 PM
Yet they wouldn’t put much needed regulation on Fannie, and Freddie. And the execs at these entities are raking in the big bucks, but not being held accountable like the others are for it. It’s just blatantly disgusting.
When Bush was president, all of this was his fault. Now it’s Obama, and he can’t seem to do any wrong, even though he’s taking us down a far more dangerous path, and it will end even uglier. Unbelievable.
capejasmine on March 24, 2010 at 10:54 PM
I agree that my personal story is boring. I can’t imagine why people keep asking.
But there’s no big secrets here.
AnninCA on March 24, 2010 at 10:55 PM
Really? How were they “wild”? And, if they were, how did that directly translate to premium hikes?
RobbBond on March 24, 2010 at 10:55 PM
Imperfect person here. I probabably made a mistake. Then again, maybe not.
Anyway, it’s worked out fine for me. He remarried fast, so I presume it’s fine for him, too.
All is well.
AnninCA on March 24, 2010 at 10:57 PM
Absolutely. The Middle Class is the enemy of both the Proletariat and the Party.
Holger on March 24, 2010 at 10:57 PM
God forbid :(
I’m so tired of turning on the news, and seeing kids disappearing, only to find their bodies later. Then we find out the perp was let out of prison, and allowed to roam without any supervision, to rape, and kill again. These animals have more rights then we do, and I’m just sick of it. This has gotten way out of hand now. There just has to be some mental illness going on in the liberal mind, for this to be ok.
How many victims does there have to be, before they realize it’s not working ????
capejasmine on March 24, 2010 at 10:57 PM
When did this become the AnninCa thread?
upinak on March 24, 2010 at 10:57 PM
LET’S JUST FACE THE FACTS PEOPLE…..
Most of the GOP in D.C. WANT the Federal Government to grow larger.
Look at that RINO Man/girl Mitch McConnell. One minute he’s a strong conservative voice willing to stand up to the Libs/Progressives and then the next minute he’s kissing up like a prom date to the Progressives/Marxists in control of Congress.
TRUTH be told the GOP in the Senate hasn’t had cajones since I can’t even remember. Howard Baker? Bob Dole? Trent Lott? McConnell? All squishy get-alongs. You want any sign of cajones on a regular basis you have to go to the HOUSE.
It’s up to us PEOPLE……the permanent leadership/Lords on Capitol Hill will never live up to what we think they should.
We need to educate OURSELVES and take OUR COUNTRY BACK, then when it’s time (Town Halls, or voting booth, or marches, will make our voices heard. LOUDLY but peacefully).
Nice article……….I don’t really see what their point is but oh well. :-)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1260195/U-S-healthcare-reform-14-rebel-states-sue.html
PappyD61 on March 24, 2010 at 10:58 PM
My own take? They started offering way too many products that were overly tailored. I think that insurance depends upon pools. When you over-tailer, then you’ve got this huge stew of various pools that have to balance.
They “tipped.”
And when they “tipped,” they went right back to industry practices that were old history stuff, like booting people off over minor stuff in the middle of major claims.
It’s been pretty nasty to watch.
I think they aren’t a lot different that mortgage lenders and what happened in that industry.
AnninCA on March 24, 2010 at 10:59 PM
So the liberal witch hunt has begun. The strategy for solidifying the socialist “health care” win is to paint all conservatives as racist menaces to society. To point at conservatives and screech like something out of Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
Looks like up is down and day is night in America nowadays, my friends. Stand strong, folks, I know the pendulum will swing hard against these Marxian demagogues if we keep our nerve, our brains, and our determination to reclaim America from these leftist cretins.
Edouard on March 24, 2010 at 11:00 PM
Ok..really…you should not post this kind of personal info on a blog…
I’ve considered you pretty much a ditz..hey, you live in the DITZ Capital of the Universe….
Just keep posting your vague, sway with the wind drivel… don’t barf out your personal stuff….it will end badly.
BigWyo on March 24, 2010 at 11:00 PM
Great point. Really, they’re morphing into the Tory party of the UK. They’re basically a less progressive wing of the Leftist party. That’s why I don’t really understand all the animosity directed towards politicians such as Ron Paul on this site. I mean, say what you want but you can’t accuse him of being for growing the size of govt.
RobbBond on March 24, 2010 at 11:01 PM
I agree. I’m so not that interesting.
I think my tactic is to share it all. Then, I’m hoping everyone will get totally bored with me as the focus.
You’ll know everything. LOL*
Probably it’s a dumb tactic.
AnninCA on March 24, 2010 at 11:01 PM
Stalin said the death of one is a tragedy but the deaths of millions is a statistic.
The only reason it’s ‘not working’ now is because there’s not enough compassion, or enough money being thrown at the problem. Or parents aren’t minding their children well enough. Or not enough street lights.
The list of excuses for liberals’ failures are limited only by imagination.
Liam on March 24, 2010 at 11:02 PM
Amazing how some get scolded for not staying on topic, but little old AnninCA, she blathers all day, throws “f” bombs, and yet, here she is in all of her glory.
Knucklehead on March 24, 2010 at 11:02 PM
You’re probably right.
I honestly don’t consider it private.
But it is sort of goofy. Nobody else has to defend their personal choices.
AnninCA on March 24, 2010 at 11:02 PM
Probably it’s a dumb tactic.
AnninCA on March 24, 2010 at 11:01 PM
So Stop.
journeyintothewhirlwind on March 24, 2010 at 11:03 PM
Can we all just ignore AnninCa please.
upinak on March 24, 2010 at 11:04 PM
LGF redux.
/Sarcasm
Christien on March 24, 2010 at 11:05 PM
PappyD61 on March 24, 2010 at 10:58 PM
The national Repubs cannot repeal this, I fear. We must elect Repubs at every level of government and perhaps the States can get it done. 38 states? for a constituional convention to repeal liberal policy and restablish a country that the founders envisioned.
To give freedom back to the people and reign in Fannie Freedie, the unelected Judiciary and House and Senate. Rewrite the law to take away their automatic pay raises put them on our healthcare and retirement packages and term limit the panderers so that these clowns cannot become panderers and thieves for their too long lives.
dhunter on March 24, 2010 at 11:07 PM
But hey, back to politics, I really like Sarah’s new reality show deal.
That’ll be way fun.
AnninCA on March 24, 2010 at 11:08 PM
“When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.” – President Thomas Jefferson
Good quote. Found it over at Politico. Thought it was appropriate in light of the reaction some congressmen are receiving back home.
RobbBond on March 24, 2010 at 11:09 PM
And what about Biden’s *f* bomb. That was pretty funny.
AnninCA on March 24, 2010 at 11:09 PM
I would add two thing to these priorities:
4) Although they are the opposition and their job is to fight the Dems, find some way to demonstrate leadership and ideas.
5) We must find a way of embarrassing the MSM. They are a major weapon in the Dem arsenal. They have lost a lot of credibility but they still are the main source of news for most of the dumbed-down populace. We need to find new ways to diminish their impact.
neuquenguy on March 24, 2010 at 11:10 PM
Who was banned?
Is it late enough to ask?
*curious here*
AnninCA on March 24, 2010 at 11:10 PM
Give them rope. They are so devastated, journalism wise.
A lot of their stories will be easy to debunk.
AnninCA on March 24, 2010 at 11:11 PM
I guess I just don’t see what political capitol they could lose. I agree that it is symbolic, but how could it hurt them? I think it hurts them more with their own base when they easily cave on such efforts.
RobbBond on March 24, 2010 at 11:12 PM
To paraphrase:
“Throughout history there have always been tyrants, and they seemed invincible in their time. But they have always come to an end. Always.” –Mahatma Ghandi
Liam on March 24, 2010 at 11:12 PM
This is not just about health insurance. It is government appropriation and centralization. “Health-care” is the most convenient way to do it – anything and everything will relate to health-care, and that way will become purview of the government. The best way to fix the health insurance challenge is to unleash market forces, competition, enterprise. Centralized economy, from each according to his ability, to each according to his need – this is what they have accomplished with this bill. This is why it has to go.
runner on March 24, 2010 at 11:15 PM
And now they’re trying to regulate kids toys in happy meals all under the guise of “public health”. This is their way in. Do you realize how many choices in your life you make every day that could be related to health? Now, imagine the govt being able to regulate all of those choices. Frightening.
RobbBond on March 24, 2010 at 11:17 PM
Liam on March 24, 2010 at 11:12 PM
Love it. Nicked it for my FB.
WaltzingMtilda on March 24, 2010 at 11:18 PM
I think that’s been happening for a decade.
People went NUTS over the problem with dogfood and China.
NUTS!
AnninCA on March 24, 2010 at 11:19 PM
Annie, old girl, the multitude of “insurance pools” didn’t “tip”. The insurance industry is one of the most highly regulated industries in the country. Heavy gov’t regulation had the usual effect, rapidly rising costs, detachment of the customer from the actual costs of products/services. Now to remedy that we have even more gov’t regulation, and this is designed to finally put the industry out of business. Then we get single-payer because, well, those mean old companies insurance pools “tipped” and they can’t provide cost-effective service, so in steps the ever-so-efficient gov’t.
Please, Ann, take your “concern” elsewhere. Yes, I know, I know. You’re totally open and honest and well, you just like to post your “thoughts” here because it helps you think things through.
Why, we here at Hotair are privileged to get to know the “real” you. One that even your family doesn’t truly know. All is well. Everything will work itself out, so we shouldn’t go worrying our pretty little right-wing heads over this ObamaCare thing. It’s all ok. Just calm down. Listen to Ann’s words. Soothing. Calm…..
wadikitty on March 24, 2010 at 11:19 PM
Ann, I don’t quite agree with that. I think we know what the people don’t like about this bill. I just don’t think the process playing out today is helping anything, and it could hurt those who would like to fuel distaste for the bill.
It’s possible to reform insurance without a mandate, but it’s not easy to allow people to buy insurance only after they are diagnosed with a serious illness without some sort of mandate or subsidy. In my view, the problem with health insurance (to the extent there are problems) comes from too much regulation, not too little. I don’t think any health insurance policy can be offered anywhere in the United States without being reviewed and accepted by a state insurance regulation board. Yet the President would have us believe that the insurance companies are robbing people blind and cheating them on these contracts every day of the week. Whose fault is that? The insurance companies or the state regulatory boards who supervise their products?
But, as far as I can tell, that discussion has never happened in this debate. It’s been argued in the press as though “the insurance companies do whatever they want; too bad there’s not some governmental control over their products.” You’d hardly have guessed that there is already government control over their products. Why do they continue to get more and more expensive? One reason is that the government control agencies continue to glob more and more unnecessary crap onto the policies. It’s almost as if people would be surprised that their cable television bills became more expensive when some governmental agency required all providers to carry every channel imaginable – whether the viewer wanted them or not.
I live in a suburban town in Ohio, about halfway between Cleveland and Akron. You know how many cable TV providers I can choose from? One. You know how many health insurance companies I can choose from? Neither do I, but it’s a lot more than one.
jdp629 on March 24, 2010 at 11:23 PM
One thing I want to know… Obamacare allegedly covers 95% of the population when it’s fully implemented. Who the hell are the 5% who don’t get covered? Government workers? Seriously. I want to know.
Oink on March 24, 2010 at 11:24 PM
Hahaha awesome. Why am I hearing words like “soothing” and “calm” in a Michael Savage tone there?
RobbBond on March 24, 2010 at 11:24 PM
Did Joe get a comment removed at Hot Air also? By the way I see a after yesterday’s episode you can walk on water. I will have to keep an eye on you politically you may be President someday.
Basil Fawlty on March 24, 2010 at 11:24 PM
Congress and their staffers. They let us eat cake.
RobbBond on March 24, 2010 at 11:25 PM
Yes. All of them. what someone eats – salt – bad, what someone breathes – carbon – bad, what someone sees – movies – bad, what soeone listens too – certain music – bad, where someone lives – housing not “green” – bad, what someone drives – cars – bad, what someone wears – fur – bad, how you raise children – religion – bad (does not stand up to PC scrutiny that is getting more obnoxious by the minute)…all in the name of public good, all in the name of General Welfare.
runner on March 24, 2010 at 11:28 PM
Well, I’m glad to see all of that can be tied to the constitution … hahaha.
RobbBond on March 24, 2010 at 11:29 PM
The “industry” (I presume that you mean the health insurance “industry”) became “messed up” when state regulatory board kept adding mandates to the coverage. The price of insurance had to keep up with all of the claims for procedures that never should have been part of basic insurance. Good grief, woman. Your thinking isn’t very deep, is it?
Now the federal government wants to cover every contingency in health care with mandated insurance and promise that the costs will be contained? On what planet? The one where being a woman is a “pre-existing condition”?
onlineanalyst on March 24, 2010 at 11:30 PM
Let’s face it, the idea isn’t that costs will be contained. It’s that costs will spiral out of control leading to the complete govt takeover. Their objectives are pretty transparent.
RobbBond on March 24, 2010 at 11:31 PM
I agree, and I am sorry to have taken the bait. I think that AnninCa comes here for masturbatory ego-strokes.
onlineanalyst on March 24, 2010 at 11:34 PM
Remind me again, where did central planning save money and enhance services?
Chris_Balsz on March 24, 2010 at 11:40 PM
When is the reconciliation bill to be voted on?
journeyintothewhirlwind on March 24, 2010 at 11:41 PM
Im with Upinak…would y’all quit feeding it?
Please! I truly thought we were done when it didn’t appear last night. I think we need to put garlic in it’s mouth and encourage it to sleep upside down in it’s native earth or something…If any of us had made those, um, comments, it would be “Little rabbit Fru-fru” time. (‘Member? “Pickin’ up the field mice and boppin’ em on the head.”)
I haven’t seen Atheling BTW…also in the penalty box for a short time?
Chewy the Lab on March 24, 2010 at 11:41 PM
Chris_Balsz on March 24, 2010 at 11:40 PM
Not in the Soviet Union. Pulled 2 books off my shelf tonight- “The First Socialist Society” and “Stalin, Triumph and Tragedy”
They starved in the countryside as any food that was grown was forced to go to the cities while Stalin told everyone that the country folk were dining on wine and steak.
As the people who knew who to run factories were imprisoned or left the people who took over tried running equipment they didn’t have the skills for- and the new management was rounded up for “wrecking” when things fell apart.
When our medical businesses/hospitals etc close because there is no profit in it and the government sends in people who don’t know how to run the health industry – that is the world we will fall into.
journeyintothewhirlwind on March 24, 2010 at 11:53 PM
Thanks to AnnInTheCAN I know why animals will gnaw off their paw to get out of a trap.
ya2daup on March 24, 2010 at 11:57 PM
Ann don’t let those meanies get you down. I like your rambling filterless thoughts. Could you tell us the band camp story again?
arnold ziffel on March 25, 2010 at 12:00 AM
So all these senators voted in favor of sex offenders. We the people need to let them know about it and let them have it
ConservativePartyNow on March 25, 2010 at 12:07 AM
4 Rationers of the Apocalypse- 4 New Boards – Roberts Motion
journeyintothewhirlwind on March 25, 2010 at 12:14 AM
4 New boards. And all will have their own rules and will be in conflict with one another. And they will all ration in a different way.
Have friends in the healthcare field and they say that this is already happening (and drives up cost) because what passes one state/federal inspection would fail another so they spend time redoing computer work etc between each different inspection.
journeyintothewhirlwind on March 25, 2010 at 12:18 AM
No.
Remember: Economies don’t collapse-Governments do. The one thing that is NOT sustainable over a long period of time is socialism. Why? Because it depends on the process you described above.
Why come to the U.S. to get your money stolen when you can take it to India and invest it in a free market run by increasingly free men?
victor82 on March 25, 2010 at 12:41 AM
Didn’t you just in the QOTD thread applaud Nancy for flipping the bird at what resonates with the people?
You are the laziest troll we have. At least the others make an effort to remain consistent.
NoLeftTurn on March 25, 2010 at 12:44 AM
Girls, it’s happening all over the South. Maybe less so here because there’s still a stigma attached to Arkansas, but we do have our share, esp. up in Wal-Mart country. I’m an outsider, but I’m actually more at home here than I’ve been anywhere else, at least ideologically. I share your frustration, tho. It’s maddening to have these people flocking in from the Northeast and California and trying to wreck a good thing. They’ve already done it to Florida. Maybe we in the South need our own immigration policy. ;o)~
NoLeftTurn on March 25, 2010 at 12:47 AM
LOL — the irony is obviously lost on her. Liberalism is truly an AnninCa-ing mental disorder.
NoLeftTurn on March 25, 2010 at 12:49 AM
Oh, you couldn’t go out to eat because of the “health tax” charge on your sushi? or was it- you couldn’t afford living in Ca because of the taxes you paid for all of the educational benefits not only to legal residents of Ca but illegals?
journeyintothewhirlwind on March 25, 2010 at 12:54 AM
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