Oh, by the way, O-Care lets states opt out of the individual mandate

posted at 5:52 pm on March 24, 2010 by Allahpundit

Alternate headline: “Confirmed: No one read the bill.”

Speaking to the Huffington Post on Tuesday, Wyden discussed — for one of the first times in public — legislative language he authored which “allows a state to go out and do its own bill, including having no individual mandate.”

It’s called the “Empowering States to be Innovative” amendment. And it would, quite literally, give states the right to set up their own health care system — with or without an individual mandate or, for that matter, with or without a public option — provided that, as Wyden puts it, “they can meet the coverage requirements of the bill.”

“Why don’t you use the waiver provision to let you go set up your own plan?” the senator asked those who threaten health-care-related lawsuits. “Why would you just say you are going to sue everybody, when this bill gives you the authority and the legal counsel is on record as saying you can do it without an individual mandate?”

I went looking on Google to find out how Ed and I could have missed this, and it turns out we didn’t. Everyone missed it. There were precisely two pages of results for “Empowering States to be Innovative” when I searched earlier this afternoon; one of the most comprehensive treatments of the subject, posted six months ago, was this piece, which devoted a paragraph to it. Good work, media. So which “coverage requirements” would a state have to meet to qualify for an O-Care waiver? Here’s the relevant section from the Senate bill; skip ahead to page 212.

(A) will provide coverage that is at least as comprehensive as the coverage defined in section 1302(b) and offered through Exchanges established under this title as certified by Office of the Actuary of the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services based on sufficient data from the State and from comparable States about their experience with programs created by this Act and the provisions of this Act that would be waived;

(B) will provide coverage and cost sharing protections against excessive out-of-pocket spending that are at least as affordable as the provisions of this title would provide;

(C) will provide coverage to at least a comparable number of its residents as the provisions of this title would provide; and

(D) will not increase the Federal deficit.

By “comprehensive” coverage, they mean the types of benefits that the federal law guarantees in section 1302(b). See page 103 for the full list. Whether it’s economically feasible to even temporarily sustain a health-care program as bloated as O-Care without a mandate is above my pay grade — wonks are invited to sound off in the comments — but do note that the benchmark here isn’t universal coverage. In 10 years under O-Care, 24 million people will still be uninsured, so a state presumably would only have to do better than that proportionately. As for the requirement that a state substitute would have to lower the deficit like (giggle) O-Care does, do states also get to game the hell out of their numbers the way the White House did to arrive at its own “deficit-reducing” CBO figures? There’s already good reason to believe that deficits will rise by half a trillion dollars under our new entitlement leviathan. Seems unfair to ask states to do better than that.

The goal of this provision, I assume, isn’t to encourage genuine state innovation but simply to score a political point by making ObamaCare seem impressive by comparison. It may well be that states can’t sustainably achieve all of O-Care’s goals (although neither can O-Care), but then that’s the whole debate — what should the goals of health-care reform be as we approach an entitlements crisis? Once you lay down statist rules, you’ve already won the game.

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Bahahahahaha.

Chuck Schick on March 24, 2010 at 5:53 PM

(D) will not increase the Federal deficit.

Comedy gold!

WashJeff on March 24, 2010 at 5:54 PM

Maybe states can write a bill that requires the Feds to pick up their increased Medicaid costs.

BadgerHawk on March 24, 2010 at 5:55 PM

Seems unfair to ask states to do better than that.

Some States can do better. I can think of some ways.

But with that said… people need to ask where their State tax money is going.

upinak on March 24, 2010 at 5:56 PM

You almost expect them to find a paragraph that says “this entire bill is a joke and everybody can ignore it.”

John the Libertarian on March 24, 2010 at 5:56 PM

Oops. One more argument why the mandate is Constitutional. Because it’s not mandatory in some situations.

Jimbo3 on March 24, 2010 at 5:57 PM

Wow. And they call us stupid in the proletariat?

Defector01 on March 24, 2010 at 5:57 PM

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D) will not increase the Federal deficit.

Nice to see the National Socialist Democrats still have a sense of humor.

Chip on March 24, 2010 at 5:57 PM

D’oh!

By the way, saw this earlier, and if anyone is still skeptical that this is a bad idea, this should be confirmation. In my case, it’s just more affirmation.

The people in this country and their leaders are courageous. That (healthcare reform) is an unprecedented achievement,” WHO Director General Margaret Chan said.

reaganaut on March 24, 2010 at 5:58 PM

What’s funny is even the WH isn’t arguing this in their push backs against the lawsuits.

MayBee on March 24, 2010 at 5:58 PM

UPDATE: Illinois has been renamed Illini, as in the Indian tribe, since the whole state has been declared tribal lands and is no longer subject to federal laws.

WashJeff on March 24, 2010 at 5:59 PM

We can put the shackles on you or you can put them on yourself, but we own you and you are wearing shackles.

ROCnPhilly on March 24, 2010 at 5:59 PM

(D) will not increase the Federal deficit.

Yeah right.

If New York, California, Florida, & Texas pulled out of O-care, they wouldn’t have enough revenue to keep it Fake-solvent.

portlandon on March 24, 2010 at 5:59 PM

Jimbo3 on March 24, 2010 at 5:57 PM

Tyrant
1 a : an absolute ruler unrestrained by law or constitution

Because Who cares that the Original intent of the Constitution was to limit the power of government, right?

Chip on March 24, 2010 at 5:59 PM

Maybe states can write a bill that requires the Feds to pick up their increased Medicaid costs.

BadgerHawk on March 24, 2010 at 5:55 PM

I think it already does:

Medicaid:

Expands Medicaid to include 133 percent of federal poverty level which is $29,327 for a family of four.

Requires states to expand Medicaid to include childless adults starting in 2014.

Federal Government pays 100 percent of costs for covering newly eligible individuals through 2016.
Illegal immigrants are not eligible for Medicaid.

Jimbo3 on March 24, 2010 at 5:59 PM

To be fair, the bill itself does not contain specific language that requires it be read by anyone.

Emperor Norton on March 24, 2010 at 5:59 PM

UPDATE: Illinois has been renamed Illini, as in the Indian tribe, since the whole state has been declared tribal lands and is no longer subject to federal laws.

WashJeff on March 24, 2010 at 5:59 PM

–Well, that’s an easy way to fix the problem with the name of the University of Illinois mascot.

Jimbo3 on March 24, 2010 at 6:00 PM

CLUSTERFARK! And a beautiful one at that! Mama would be proud Barry. It’s not everyday a man can do sex to himself and make it look so easy.

milwife88 on March 24, 2010 at 6:00 PM

“Why don’t you use the waiver provision to let you go set up your own plan?” the senator asked those who threaten health-care-related lawsuits. “Why would you just say you are going to sue everybody, when this bill gives you the authority and the legal counsel is on record as saying you can do it without an individual mandate?”

Maybe the better question is; why didn’t you just leave the entire issue up to individual states to start with?

If states opt-out does that absolve them of paying the fed for ObamaCare benefits that they aren’t receiving?

I know – silly question.

landshark on March 24, 2010 at 6:00 PM

You almost expect them to find a paragraph that says “this entire bill is a joke and everybody can ignore it.”

I wonder, what does the last sentence say?

I still remember and exercise in grade school, where you are given a sheet full of instructions, but at the top it stated, “read the entire sheet before proceeding”. The last entry was “ignore all other entries” and only write your name at the top.

Naturally 99.99% of kids would fill it all out until they got to the end.

reaganaut on March 24, 2010 at 6:01 PM

WOW.

What this means, is all 50 states can opt out, and then the Feds have to sue them one at a time to dismantle each state plan as being noncompliant. And if the states were real jerks about it, they could withdraw each plan, rendering the federal suit moot; and then issue a slightly different noncompliant plan.

Wow.

Thanks, Mr. President!

Chris_Balsz on March 24, 2010 at 6:01 PM

Illegal immigrants are not eligible for Medicaid.

Jimbo3 on March 24, 2010 at 5:59 PM

Yet……

portlandon on March 24, 2010 at 6:01 PM

So, States can opt out but residents still get stuck with federal regulations and hideous tax increases? Clearly this is just an attempt for the Socialistas to be able to make preposterous claims that they’re big on Federalism just like the Founders.

Buy Danish on March 24, 2010 at 6:01 PM

See? What mandate? If you kill yourself, you don’t have to buy health insurance.

/Jimbo3

Master Shake on March 24, 2010 at 6:01 PM

think they did this on purpose, make it not so bad afterall to score a political victory with is lunatic base?

jp on March 24, 2010 at 6:02 PM

Once you lay down statist rules, you’ve already won the game.

Those words will be burned into everyones head before long.
The GOP should learn those words and start to dismantle the statists at every opportunity.

fourdeucer on March 24, 2010 at 6:02 PM

Well, that’s an easy way to fix the problem with the name of the University of Illinois mascot.

Jimbo3 on March 24, 2010 at 6:00 PM

Actually, I think I have heard\read it debated if there ever was an Illini tribe, but for this purpose…bring it on.

WashJeff on March 24, 2010 at 6:02 PM

Well Rush was right again. This BS Bill’s only goal is to screw the insurance companies.

Dire Straits on March 24, 2010 at 6:03 PM

And a doctor who did read the bill, seems to think there are the equivalent of 150 government death panels:

“The new law provides for about 150 new government agencies, many of which are designed to be ‘oversight’ bureaucracies which will have the right to decide what medical care is legal to provide through insurance.”

She probably can’t name the newspapers she reads, either….

notropis on March 24, 2010 at 6:03 PM

Will Massachusetts be able to Opt out of RomneyCare to get Obamacare?

Poor Massachusetts =(

portlandon on March 24, 2010 at 6:04 PM

“I’m gonna make (states) an offer (they) can’t refuse” . This is not a waiver, it is an invitation to commit fiscal suicide by either accepting obamacare or creating obamacare.

runner on March 24, 2010 at 6:05 PM

The goal of this provision, I assume, isn’t to encourage genuine state innovation but simply to score a political point by making ObamaCare seem impressive by comparison.

Yeah, that’s exactly what it is. Here’s the massive list of entitlements you have to provide. See if you can do it cheaper. Also sounds like it’s designed to defang the ‘mandate’ lawsuits.

AUINSC on March 24, 2010 at 6:05 PM

So states can “opt out” of this plan, by implementing one exactly like it.

Newsflash: No part of Socialism is EVER optional. That’s the whole damned point of it.

logis on March 24, 2010 at 6:05 PM

Oops. One more argument why the mandate is Constitutional. Because it’s not mandatory in some situations.

Jimbo3 on March 24, 2010 at 5:57 PM

I love how even the screw-ups prove how great this bill is to Jimbo.

The comet will be passing Earth any day now. Make sure you’re packed.

Chuck Schick on March 24, 2010 at 6:05 PM

Jimbo3 on March 24, 2010 at 5:57 PM

Tyrant
1 a : an absolute ruler unrestrained by law or constitution

Because Who cares that the Original intent of the Constitution was to limit the power of government, right?

Chip on March 24, 2010 at 6:06 PM

As for the requirement that a state substitute would have to lower the deficit like (giggle) O-Care does, do states also get to game the hell out of their numbers the way the White House did to arrive at its own “deficit-reducing” CBO figures?

Or better (worse) since Bambi-Care will actually increase the deficit wouldn’t this require states to increase their deficit like Bambi-Care does?

PackerBronco on March 24, 2010 at 6:07 PM

Well, That certainly would help Ungle Sugar accomplish this:

The public option has been eliminated, and is replaced with a Multi‐State Option as described below.
MULTI‐STATE OPTION
The Office of Personnel Management (OPM) would be required to contract with health insurance carriers to offer at least two multi‐state qualified health plans through each state exchange. At least one of the plans must be offered by a non‐profit entity and groups of insurers that are commonly owned/controlled or that operate under a common network name may join together to collectively offer a multi‐state plan. The multi‐state plans must cover essential health benefits and meet all of the requirements of a qualified health plan. States may require multi‐state plans to offer additional benefits, but must pay for the additional cost. The federal government will not bear any risk or provide any direct subsidies under these contracts but it will negotiate medical loss ratios, profit margins, premiums and other terms and conditions with the providers of the multi‐state options; the offerors of the multi‐state options would be entitled to brand their plans as such. The multi‐state option plans must also maintain risk pools separate and apart from the federal employee plans if they offer both. (§1334)
CO‐OP PROGRAM
A CO‐OP initiative would be established to foster the creation of non‐profit, member‐run health insurance companies in all 50 states and District of Columbia to offer qualified health plans.

kingsjester on March 24, 2010 at 6:07 PM

Excuse me, wouldn’t help

kingsjester on March 24, 2010 at 6:08 PM

I have already “deemed” ObamaCare unconstitutional…

d1carter on March 24, 2010 at 6:08 PM

Instead of O-Care, should we use the more formal, Hussein Obama Care, or simply: Ho Care

Josiah on March 24, 2010 at 6:08 PM

Good lord . . . this bill is a terrible piece of putrid goat dung and makes a 100 car train wreck look like a well orchestrated event.

rplat on March 24, 2010 at 6:08 PM

The Original intent of the Constitution was to limit the power of government.

Am I right on that, Jimbo3 ???

Chip on March 24, 2010 at 6:10 PM

March 23, 2010

Letter from a doctor to her patients, repost from NRO:

My Dear Patient,

As you must know, Congress has just passed extensive legislation governing health care delivery and insurance systems. Whether you agree with what it does or not, we are all now subject to this law and its sweeping changes.

I have always conducted my medical practice with my patient’s best interests as my first priority. Although not legally obliged to do so, I have routinely provided you with a receipt that has all the codes necessary to bill your own health insurance company for any reimbursement to which you are entitled. Until now, that insurance company was a free enterprise despite the fact that it was heavily regulated by state and federal laws. Now the situation is quite different. Through the new law’s mandates, regulatory powers and reform, health insurance is and will be largely a government activity which will have an ever larger jurisdiction over how doctors practice, make clinical judgments and are paid.

The new law provides for about 150 new government agencies, many of which are designed to be ‘oversight’ bureaucracies which will have the right to decide what medical care is legal to provide through insurance. Among other things, they will have the right to review my medical care of you and read your medical record. Now, as soon as you submit our economic transaction to your insurance company for reimbursement, you have involved me in these regulations and put me in the jurisdiction of government for my activities, decisions and behavior as your doctor.

No one can have two masters. Either I can serve you as my patient or I can serve the government. Either I can continue to make your welfare and health my only concern, including the protection of your privacy and medical records, or I can abide by ever-increasing amounts of government regulations and dictates to my decisions. I can’t do both. I choose to continue to follow my conscience and practice medicine to serve you.

For this reason, I am responding to the situation created by this new law by exercising my right not to participate in any health insurance program. I will still provide you with the same medical services that I always have, but the interaction will be exclusively and privately between you and me. This means that I will provide you only with a receipt for the services you have paid for, but without the additional information that is required to submit your receipt for reimbursement to your health insurance company. That is the only way I can make sure there will be no conflict between following the law and serving you. Because the law is now in effect, so must these changes be to my practice.

Sincerely,

Linda Johnston, MD

Expect to see a lot more along these lines. We will end up like Mexico, where the government run hospitals sucks and private ones are quite good.

Norwegian on March 24, 2010 at 6:10 PM

Translation:

The states can do this themselves as long as they have as many or more requirements than the feds do. And they better not pass any of the expenses on to the feds (a reference to Medicaid?)

And, yeah, theoretically they can exclude an individual mandate, but…

Insurers cannot survive without the individual mandate if they are forced to cover everyone with pre-existing conditions. Therefore, when 27-something stoners refuse to buy their own coverage, they can fall off of balconies while partying in high rise buildings and force insurers to pick up the tab. The guy who really, really needs the big screen tv and new wheels every year can put off insurance until he needs surgery for the deviated septum he got from his other hobbies.

Perhaps hospitals will set up health insurance sales kiosks in their ERs. I would, and I mean this in all seriousness. Might as well make sure someone’s on the hook for the visit. And the patients can always drop the plans when their health improves, so there’s no commitment.

In the meantime, people who take care of themselves and their families be stuck with skyrocketing premiums as they pay for the slackers.

And don’t forget, we need to force young ones to buy insurance so that they can subsidize their more worthy elders.

obladioblada on March 24, 2010 at 6:10 PM

This is going to destroy the Democrat Party.

OT: How about all these Dems making these false claims of the need for more security.

lavell12 on March 24, 2010 at 6:12 PM

Congress is full of AnninCAing idiots.
Unbelievable…

OmahaConservative on March 24, 2010 at 6:14 PM

The comet will be passing Earth any day now. Make sure you’re packed.

Chuck Schick on March 24, 2010 at 6:05 PM

LOL.

Shouldn’t he be putting on his tennis shoes, black jeans, white shirt and drink Kool-Aide and lay down in his bunk?

portlandon on March 24, 2010 at 6:15 PM

UPDATE: Illinois has been renamed Illini, as in the Indian tribe, since the whole state has been declared tribal lands and is no longer subject to federal laws.

WashJeff on March 24, 2010 at 5:59 PM

‘NOTHER UPDATE: Delaware has been renamed Lenape, as in the Indian tribe, since the whole state has been declared tribal lands and is no longer subject to federal laws.

ya2daup on March 24, 2010 at 6:15 PM

Actualy, this is flat out Unconstitutional

All Taxes MUST be uniform throughout the 50 states.

You cannot put taxes or duties on One State, and not another.

If this would exempt one State from the taxes withing Obamacare, like the increases in Medicare taxes, then it is clearly not Constitutional…

But then again, since when does Constitutional seem to matter to the Federal Government.

Romeo13 on March 24, 2010 at 6:16 PM

This is going to destroy the Democrat Party.

Let’s hope so.

Dire Straits on March 24, 2010 at 6:16 PM

Hey Dems….did you read the bill?

yoda on March 24, 2010 at 6:17 PM

Will Massachusetts be able to Opt out of RomneyCare to get Obamacare?

Imagine if RomneyCare doesn’t comply with ObamaCare. The state would have to restructure the dang thing after spending all those millions of tax dollars.

Kim Priestap on March 24, 2010 at 6:17 PM

Illegal immigrants are not eligible for Medicaid.

Jimbo3 on March 24, 2010 at 5:59 PM

YES THEY ARE. Illigals are elligible to for the Medicaid under a statist nightmare called
EMERGENCY MEDICAID (which includes such convenient items as labors and deliveries).

here you go, ignoramus

Immigration status is NOT a factor for Emergency Medicaid eligibility. Any person, regardless of legal immigrant status can be eligible for Emergency Medicaid

and

Hospitals cannot deny anyone emergency medical treatment, regardless of financial status or immigrant/citizenship status.

runner on March 24, 2010 at 6:17 PM

‘NOTHER UPDATE: Delaware has been renamed Lenape, as in the Indian tribe, since the whole state has been declared tribal lands and is no longer subject to federal laws.

ya2daup on March 24, 2010 at 6:15 PM

CRAP! I live in Colorado… does that mean we are no part of Mexico?

Romeo13 on March 24, 2010 at 6:17 PM

I love how even the screw-ups prove how great this bill is to Jimbo.

Chuck Schick on March 24, 2010 at 6:05 PM

He’s laughing on the outside, crying on the inside. His long hoped for position in the IRS tracking HC scofflaws wasn’t funded by the bill, by some accounts.

ya2daup on March 24, 2010 at 6:17 PM

This is going to destroy the Democrat Party.
OT: How about all these Dems making these false claims of the need for more security.
lavell12 on March 24, 2010 at 6:12 PM

Gee, would it empower them MORE if they could USE these supposed threats to suppress certain political groups and speech?

Chip on March 24, 2010 at 6:17 PM

The Original intent of the Constitution was to limit the power of government.

Am I right on that, Jimbo3 ???

Chip on March 24, 2010 at 6:10 PM

Actually, the intent of the Framers was to increase the power of (central) government. Their work entailed coming up with ways or minimizing or restraining it once accomplished, but the Federalists were called “Federalists” because they were in favor of a federal government. The Anti-Federalists and opponents of the Constitution were the ones who stood for no relative increase in the power of government.

CK MacLeod on March 24, 2010 at 6:18 PM

But with that said… people need to ask where their State tax money is going.

upinak on March 24, 2010 at 5:56 PM

Or, a better question is, “Where is all that lottery money going?”

Liam on March 24, 2010 at 6:20 PM

And it would, quite literally, give states the right to set up their own health care system — with or without an individual mandate or, for that matter, with or without a public option — provided that, as Wyden puts it, “they can meet the coverage requirements of the bill.”

So we can have 50 versions of Romneycare?

katiejane on March 24, 2010 at 6:20 PM

Also found in the bill: chattering teeth novelty items subject to taxes as a medical device (per the Slaughter Amendment).

ya2daup on March 24, 2010 at 6:21 PM

How does this thiss effect the lawsuits being brought by state’s AGs, since their main basis is the un-Constitutionality of the Individual Mandate? Does the “Empowering States to be Innovative” amendment render the basis of the lawsuits to be null and void, since their states could opt out?

pseudonominus on March 24, 2010 at 6:21 PM

What I just read should give the states even more ammuntion for their lawsuit. This is not an opt-out provision; this is a hand-tying provision.

Do as the federal government orders you to do, or go it alone, but still do what the federal government tells you to do.

madmonkphotog on March 24, 2010 at 6:22 PM

Illegal immigrants are not eligible for Medicaid.

Jimbo3 on March 24, 2010 at 5:59 PM

Once amnesty is ramed down our throats there will be no illegal immigrants.

katiejane on March 24, 2010 at 6:22 PM

Does the “Empowering States to be Innovative” amendment render the basis of the lawsuits to be null and void, since their states could opt out?

pseudonominus on March 24, 2010 at 6:21 PM

If it does and they can, they should run with it and push the point, hard. Hoist the bill on its own petard!

ya2daup on March 24, 2010 at 6:22 PM

Actually, the intent of the Framers was to increase the power of (central) government. Their work entailed coming up with ways or minimizing or restraining it once accomplished, but the Federalists were called “Federalists” because they were in favor of a federal government. The Anti-Federalists and opponents of the Constitution were the ones who stood for no relative increase in the power of government.

CK MacLeod on March 24, 2010 at 6:18 PM

Does this sentence make sense to anyone that isn’t a Progressive spinmaster?

thomasaur on March 24, 2010 at 6:23 PM

So we can have 50 versions of RomneyCcare?

katiejane on March 24, 2010 at 6:20 PM

… and by an amazing coincidence, none of them would work, either. BTW, the correct number is 57.

ya2daup on March 24, 2010 at 6:23 PM

CRAP! I live in Colorado… does that mean we are no part of Mexico?

Romeo13 on March 24, 2010 at 6:17 PM

You have a fallback position: become part of Spain.

ya2daup on March 24, 2010 at 6:25 PM

Well this bho what is plan B? Y’all did good! It looks like the states AG might have a case. GO AG in the states! This bho, team, and the d’s were so heck bent getting this done, all over 2000+ thing passed, no one bothered to read this. I am hoping for a good outcome.
L

letget on March 24, 2010 at 6:27 PM

Does this sentence make sense to anyone that isn’t a Progressive spinmaster?

thomasaur on March 24, 2010 at 6:23 PM

Historicly he is correct.

There were a lot of folks who wanted to create a coalition of different countries… which were the States…

Others wanted some form of Federal Government…

So they created (at least they thought) a very limited Federal System.

Romeo13 on March 24, 2010 at 6:27 PM

Actually, the intent of the Framers was to increase the power of (central) government. Their work entailed coming up with ways or minimizing or restraining it once accomplished,
CK MacLeod on March 24, 2010 at 6:18 PM

My point is that despite some vague wordings here and there, the Legislative intent was for a limited government.

So why would they have had it contain certain clauses and wordings that could be perverted into a government with unlimited power?

Chip on March 24, 2010 at 6:28 PM

Oops. One more argument why the mandate enslavement is Constitutional. Because it’s not mandatory to wear shackles in some situations.

Jimbo3 on March 24, 2010 at 5:57 PM

ya2daup on March 24, 2010 at 6:29 PM

See? What mandate? If you kill yourself, you don’t have to buy health insurance.

/Jimbo3

Master Shake on March 24, 2010 at 6:01 PM

Hypoxia. Sounding better and better everyday.

Dorvillian on March 24, 2010 at 6:30 PM

Illegal immigrants are not eligible for Medicaid.

Jimbo3 on March 24, 2010 at 5:59 PM

1. Fake IDs ( stolen from US citizens)
2. Anchor babies of illegals
3. Parents using IDs of anchor babies

can get illegals ANYTHING they want, and they do get them

macncheez on March 24, 2010 at 6:32 PM

Others wanted some form of Federal Government…

So they created (at least they thought) a very limited Federal System.

Romeo13 on March 24, 2010 at 6:27 PM

The Framer’s intent was “limited” federal government. The realized that they would have to increase it from what they were currently operating under but those “increases” would be “limited” in it’s scope.

thomasaur on March 24, 2010 at 6:32 PM

Norwegian on March 24, 2010 at 6:10 PM

She’s following the Hillsdale College example: good for her!

ya2daup on March 24, 2010 at 6:32 PM

Well, we could just be sneaky.

Have your state create a plan, that doesn’t do what is required but what you want. Let the Fed spend decades in court trying to say it really needs to be fixed.

Think “busing” in the South.

barnone on March 24, 2010 at 6:33 PM

This was just inserted to muddy the legal waters for those challenging the individual mandate under 10th Amendment grounds.

tommylotto on March 24, 2010 at 6:33 PM

Amish, as we know, can opt out.

Just read, and declared “constitutional” by some Harvard law prof. that muslims are not allowed to buy commercial insurance. It is a form of gambling.

WTF????Does this mean muslims don’t have to buy car insurance either?

nondhimmie on March 24, 2010 at 6:35 PM

Democrat NC Attorney General, Roy Cooper, has been “unavailable” today to answer questions on if he will join the multi-state lawsuit.

SouthernGent on March 24, 2010 at 6:36 PM

So they created (at least they thought) a very limited Federal System.

Romeo13 on March 24, 2010 at 6:27 PM

It was until The Civil War, and it was infact a nice happy medium after that…

But then FDR came and we haven’t been the same ever since.

Holger on March 24, 2010 at 6:37 PM

Would Federal taxes collected for the O-Care collective come back to states that offer their own plans?
Speaking of which are RomneyCare victims in MA considered as covered under a state sponsored HC plan? Why not?

It sounds like this monstrosity could crumble if enough states break away.

Let’s hope.

FireBlogger on March 24, 2010 at 6:38 PM

think they did this on purpose, make it not so bad afterall to score a political victory with is lunatic base?

jp on March 24, 2010 at 6:02 PM

One way or the other, it’s intention is to make each state fail one by one, and single payer under the Federal umbrella will begin.

If States have to go by Fed standars, the feds have set the standards, knowing most states won’t be able to meet them. Look at Mass. Rommney care is a failure, and this is pretty much what the standards are being set, for each state to follow.

capejasmine on March 24, 2010 at 6:39 PM

Re “The Democrats Rejoice,” by David Brooks (column, March 23):

Mr. Brooks is right. The Democrats should proudly rejoice after their success in passing the health care reform bill. Congratulations to President Obama and his team for standing by what they believed to be right and necessary.

The Republicans, on the other hand, should hang their heads in shame that they could not muster enough common sense to contribute to the most important piece of social legislation of this generation.

It is incredible that national health care reform has taken so long and been fought so bitterly. When the health care reform bill finally passed, I was reminded of a comment attributed to Winston Churchill: “You can always count on Americans to do the right thing, after they’ve exhausted all the alternatives.”

So Mr. Brooks may admire the energy of the people and the vibrancy of the marketplace. Good for him; I do, too. But people are even more energetic and the market they create is even more vibrant when they are in good health. Like other nations, we should recognize that health care is an investment in people, not in a market.

Bill O’Reilly
Hastings-on-Hudson, N.Y.
March 23, 2010

Was this Letter to the Editor of the NYT written by THE B O’R, or someone with a similar name? What a tool!

rhbandsp on March 24, 2010 at 6:39 PM

tommylotto on March 24, 2010 at 6:33 PM

actualy, I don’t think so… anytime you have that many words (2600 pages?) involved in ANYTHING, it will in some way contradict itself…. especialy when different parts are written by different people.

I can’t give them credit for being Evil Genius’s, when simple imcompetence is more likely……

Romeo13 on March 24, 2010 at 6:39 PM

Amish, as we know, can opt out.

Just read, and declared “constitutional” by some Harvard law prof. that muslims are not allowed to buy commercial insurance. It is a form of gambling.

WTF????Does this mean muslims don’t have to buy car insurance either?

nondhimmie on March 24, 2010 at 6:35 PM

I read about this, this morning…

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/03/amish_muslims_to_be_excused_fr.html

capejasmine on March 24, 2010 at 6:41 PM

It sounds like this monstrosity could crumble if enough states break away.

Let’s hope.

FireBlogger on March 24, 2010 at 6:38 PM

Thats just it, they can’t… Federal Taxes MUST be uniform throughout the various States.

States could put in their own program, but it could NOT exempt them from the Taxes in this…

Section 8 – Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Romeo13 on March 24, 2010 at 6:44 PM

There were some Anti-Federalists who recognized the need for some more centralized power, but worried about the diminution of the power of the States to reign in such government and the lack of representation in the House. Federal Farmer, in particular, could be characterized as a much stronger Federalist who criticized the ‘Federalists’ for not putting enough interlocking restraints on the national government… he cited the problems, why they were problems, why they were problems in federal structure and then offered federal solutions to them which would still have more power available to the national government but ensure that there was more popular oversight and State ability to restrict expansion of powers.

It is nearly impossible to characterize the Anti-Federalists as all one thing: there were some who wanted a reversion to a monarchy (though not many), a greater number who wanted an improved Confederation with only some minor tweaks to the government, and those who recognized the need for a larger overhaul but criticized the lack of safeguards in the Constitution. George Mason typified the latter – signer of the Declaration, would not sign the Constitution, wrote the Bill of Rights and then walked away from that as not good enough to guarantee liberty for the people. Brutus, in particular, was insightful into the problems posed by the Constitution and yet still supported a somewhat more robust national government along federalist lines. Of course you can always go to Luther Martin to get a lot of pontificating, hand-waving, and conspiracy mongering, but even he had some very interesting points amongst the vitriol.

The Anti-Federalists were a pretty insightful group, and reading many of them we can go from their predictions to our headlines and recognize that the points and reasoning they offered were valid. They did expect things to decay a bit faster, yes, but the underlying human nature did not change between then and now, which leads to cycles in human affairs that they were bringing up, as a whole. It would be more reassuring if their predictions weren’t coming true, of course… as it is they are offering no solace for our future because we ignored their remedies to restrict national government and ensure a greater set of checks from the people and the States.

ajacksonian on March 24, 2010 at 6:45 PM

rhbandsp on March 24, 2010 at 6:39 PM

I’ve no idea, but if it is, and word of this gets out, he’s going to lose a large chunk of his audience.

capejasmine on March 24, 2010 at 6:45 PM

Just read, and declared “constitutional” by some Harvard law prof. that muslims are not allowed to buy commercial insurance. It is a form of gambling.

WTF????Does this mean muslims don’t have to buy car insurance either?

nondhimmie on March 24, 2010 at 6:35 PM

So muslims are exempt because the religion of peace says so
But abortion HAS to be funded
why exactly ?

macncheez on March 24, 2010 at 6:47 PM

If a state sets up single payer system or limits the purchase of insurance to only companies headquartered in the state and who do business only in the state, there is no interstate commerce. Doesn’t this mean that arguments for federal intervention based on the Commerce Clause are then meaningless?

obladioblada on March 24, 2010 at 6:48 PM

How devious can you get? This is simply a way of forcing states to rape their citizens of money without blaming the federal government for it.

Stay of of our lives … period.

darwin on March 24, 2010 at 6:48 PM

The whole opting out thing seems motivated more to get around the commerce clause than to let states opt out.

With this language the feds can argue that there isn’t really an individual mandate.

Kinda like how income tax is voluntary. Sure you don’t have to pay it, but you won’t work anywhere if you don’t.

hisfrogness on March 24, 2010 at 6:52 PM

This is going to destroy the Democrat Party.

Let’s hope so.

Dire Straits on March 24, 2010 at 6:16 PM

The water-carrying media are spinning the wonders of ObamaCare like a ballroom full of pizza dough bakers.

But.

This has a distinctly different feel than the “historical” election of 2008. The sense of pride is gone. I still don’t know a single Dem who wants to discuss the majesty of Obummer with me.

Grace_is_sufficient on March 24, 2010 at 6:53 PM

What’s really needed now is for all physicians to opt out of the insurance system altogether.

ROCnPhilly on March 24, 2010 at 6:55 PM

What I just read should give the states even more ammuntion for their lawsuit. This is not an opt-out provision; this is a hand-tying provision.

Do as the federal government orders you to do, or go it alone, but still do what the federal government tells you to do.

madmonkphotog on March 24, 2010 at 6:22 PM

Most federal mandates have similar provisions in them. This is just part of the boilerplate.

I’m sure that in 2,300 pages, of hastily-drafted statutes, and the 23,000 or more regulations that will be written to enforce those statutes, there will be more than enough fodder for at least a few years of gumming this thing up in court.

We may as well use what is left of the legal system for as long as it lasts. But even that is really only a small part of the civil disobedience.

This is a very brave new world we’re entering. Liberals have been doing this for decades, but only for the agitprop media coverage.

Now, for the first time in modern history, PEOPLE WITH JOBS are starting to very quietly and calmly throw monkey wrenches into the works.

You know, I think I’m beginning to see why the hippies all enjoyed this game so much. Too bad they sucked at it.

logis on March 24, 2010 at 6:58 PM

What’s really needed now is for all physicians to opt out of the insurance system altogether.

ROCnPhilly on March 24, 2010 at 6:55 PM

That’s interesting. Can doctors opt out? What if doctors offered financing, like laser eye surgeons and plastic surgeons do?

hisfrogness on March 24, 2010 at 6:59 PM

Oops. One more argument why the mandate is Constitutional. Because it’s not mandatory in some situations.

Jimbo3 on March 24, 2010 at 5:57 PM

Your reasoning is severely flawed.

The moment it is mandatory for me, but not for a Mennonite, or for me and not for someone in some other state, I am being denied the equal protection of the laws.

unclesmrgol on March 24, 2010 at 7:02 PM

Romeo13 on March 24, 2010 at 6:44 PM

I am no Constitutional scholar but aren’t we protected against double taxation?

If a state offers their own HC plan to their residents as apparently allowed for within this new law then state residents should not have to pay to support both.

This could be where the states find support in the courts.

It’s one or the other, not both.

FireBlogger on March 24, 2010 at 7:05 PM

I read about this, this morning…

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/03/amish_muslims_to_be_excused_fr.html

capejasmine on March 24, 2010 at 6:41 PM

Next step
Jiziah

macncheez on March 24, 2010 at 7:05 PM

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