Kim’s grip on power weakening?

posted at 3:50 pm on March 24, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Every few months, the American media gets excited about reports coming out of totalitarian systems that the Dear Leader in question faces an unprecedented challenge to its power.  Last summer’s demonstrations against Ali Khameini and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad were closer to the real deal, but generally speaking, those reports ignore the difficulty of overthrowing an entrenched tyrrany — as we saw in Iran in 2009.  This time, the Washington Post reports that Kim Jong-Il may be losing his grip on power, thanks to a massive famine that has left thousands dead in the streets:

There is mounting evidence that Kim Jong Il is losing the propaganda war inside North Korea, with more than half the population now listening to foreign news, grass-roots cynicism undercutting state myths and discontent rising even among elites.

A survey of refugees has found that “everyday forms of resistance” in the North are taking root as large swaths of the population believe that pervasive corruption, rising inequity and chronic food shortages are the fault of the government in Pyongyang — and not of the United States, South Korea or other foreign forces. The report will be released this week by the East-West Center, a research group established by Congress.

The report comes amid unconfirmed accounts from inside North Korea of a rising number of starvation deaths caused by a bad harvest and bungled currency reform that disrupted food markets, caused runaway inflation and triggered widespread citizen unrest. …

This mix of deadly food shortages, bureaucratic bumbling and rising cynicism presents a potentially destabilizing threat to Kim’s government. It comes at a delicate time, when the ailing 68-year-old leader has launched a secretive process to hand power over to his untested 27-year-old son, Kim Jong Eun.

This conclusion is based in part on a survey taken of North Koreans who fled the country.  While the survey does show some interesting changes in attitudes, the survey has two basic problems.  First, its sample is a self-selected group of dissidents, and second, it doesn’t include the people who are actually living in the DPRK.

Undoubtedly, discontent rises in crises, especially famines.  The Kim regime’s entire raison d’etre is to provide for all of its subjects, after all, which is why Kim has a tight grip on his Stalinist government.  If it can’t deliver, it loses credibility, and blaming the US will only go so far, even in a closed, paranoid state like the DPRK.

However, we have been here before, and more than once.  The massive famines in the 1990s didn’t produce any appreciable resistance from the starving masses.  Kim himself was in better health then, and now has to execute a tricky maneuver to put his son in power when the military leadership may have other ideas.  Any instability in a Stalinist regime is good news, but there is nothing that shows that this crisis has put the DPRK closer to regime change.

In fact, this could be better viewed as a warning.  If the regime really does feel threatened, it’s possible that it will look for a distraction — such as a war — to release some of the pressure on Kim.

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If the regime really does feel threatened, it’s possible that it will look for a distraction — such as a war — to release some of the pressure on Kim.

Oh dear Lord, not with our bumbling administration in power…

OmahaConservative on March 24, 2010 at 3:54 PM

I pray for all those oppressed people. It’s sad that a few think they have this right to impose their ideology on masses, and the masses are powerless to fight back. :(

capejasmine on March 24, 2010 at 3:54 PM

The famine has been induced via Kim for the last two years and the Russians still have a missle defense on the border due to the problems with Kim and his stupid moves.

Time is ticking tocking away.

upinak on March 24, 2010 at 3:55 PM

Comrade Zero can’t figure out how things got so bleak in North Korea. They seem to be doing everything exactly right.

Cicero43 on March 24, 2010 at 3:56 PM

Oh dear Lord, not with our bumbling administration in power…

OmahaConservative on March 24, 2010 at 3:54 PM

Don’t worry, our Dear Liar will bow and surrender to their Dear Leader right off the bat.

I’ve heard about this new famine elsewhere, and that it is even hitting the military now. Which might give rise to a military coup.

Neither China nor South Korea want to see the north collapse — they don’t want to have to deal with all the refugees.

rbj on March 24, 2010 at 3:57 PM

What I really don’t get is how the press reports on this, as a good thing, if this regime fails, but hails the coming regime in this country from Obama, and gang.

capejasmine on March 24, 2010 at 3:59 PM

He has son’s.

jawkneemusic on March 24, 2010 at 4:00 PM

Every few months, the American media gets excited about reports coming out of totalitarian systems that the Dear Leader in question faces an unprecedented challenge to its power. 

Is this about Obama or Kim Jong mentally ill?

Chip on March 24, 2010 at 4:01 PM

Where are the George Washington Kim’s . Waiting for the American Lafayettes . Oh yeah , burn in Hell Frank Church .

borntoraisehogs on March 24, 2010 at 4:01 PM

“A survey of refugees has found that “everyday forms of resistance” in the North America are taking root as large swaths of the population believe that pervasive corruption, rising inequity and chronic food shortages economic recession are the fault of the government in Pyongyang Washington — and not of the United States, South Korea or other foreign forces Bush Administration, banks, insurance companies and drug makers.”

Fixed

Cicero43 on March 24, 2010 at 4:01 PM

Barry announces ways to prop up fellow marxist in 3…2….1…

Daveyardbird on March 24, 2010 at 4:04 PM

The Kim regime’s entire raison d’etre is to provide for all of its subjects, after all, which is why Kim has a tight grip on his Stalinist government. 

Do they have their own version of Obamacare?

Chip on March 24, 2010 at 4:05 PM

Kim has a huge railroad project going on, costing so much he’s having to print money to keep it alive. He’s paying Chinese and Russian engineering firms to help with it.

AubieJon on March 24, 2010 at 4:06 PM

I for one welcome our new Korean Overlords

tmitsss on March 24, 2010 at 4:06 PM

So ronery…..

UltimateBob on March 24, 2010 at 4:09 PM

have no fear his socialist buddy Obama will bail him out

unseen on March 24, 2010 at 4:11 PM

“A survey of refugees has found that “everyday forms of resistance” in the North America are taking root as large swaths of the population believe that pervasive corruption, rising inequity and chronic food shortages economic recession are the fault of the government in Pyongyang Washington — and not of the United States, South Korea or other foreign forces Bush Administration, banks, insurance companies and drug makers.”

Fixed
Cicero43 on March 24, 2010 at 4:01 PM

Funny how it’s SO EASY to tweak the description to be about the US instead.

Statism is Statism no matter how it’s practiced

Chip on March 24, 2010 at 4:11 PM

There is mounting evidence that Kim Jong Il the Democratic party is losing the propaganda war inside North Korea the US, with more than half the population now listening to foreign FOX news, grass-roots cynicism undercutting state myths and discontent rising even among elites.

All it took was a few tweaks, and looky there….

Real close to what’s happening in the US over the past year!

UltimateBob on March 24, 2010 at 4:12 PM

Will somebody please knock this guy off already!

Tony737 on March 24, 2010 at 4:12 PM

Chip on March 24, 2010 at 4:11 PM

We work pretty well as a team, Chip!

UltimateBob on March 24, 2010 at 4:13 PM

UltimateBob on March 24, 2010 at 4:13 PM

Oops, I meant Cicero43! Sorry.

UltimateBob on March 24, 2010 at 4:14 PM

What I really don’t get is how the press reports on this, as a good thing, if this regime fails, but hails the coming regime in this country from Obama, and gang.

capejasmine on March 24, 2010 at 3:59 PM

you have to understand socialists. Socialism has never failed, it has simple not had the proper leaders to make it work. thereofre Kim has shown not to be the proper leader, stalin and Lenin. Mao gave it a good try and since China is still communist the socialists look up to Mao. Pol Pot not so much.

Obama is still the ONe until he fails. he got a lifesupport by his socialist followers with his HC bill which was the entire purpose of the bill. to shore up his followers and show them he is not a failure like Lenin and stalin

unseen on March 24, 2010 at 4:15 PM

Typical, the media doesn’t present the problems with socialism and solving problems by printing money until AFTER the vote on ObamaCare.

Still, my prayers are with the people with real problems.

pedestrian on March 24, 2010 at 4:15 PM

Will somebody please knock this guy off already!

Tony737 on March 24, 2010 at 4:12 PM

It wasn’t so long ago it was rumored he was on his death bed. His son may be more of a lunatic than he is.

fourdeucer on March 24, 2010 at 4:17 PM

arec bardwin….arec bardwin…where are you?

ted c on March 24, 2010 at 4:18 PM

“This mix of deadly food shortages, bureaucratic bumbling and rising cynicism presents a potentially destabilizing threat to Obowma’s government.”

You guys are right…

… this sh%t just writes itself.

Seven Percent Solution on March 24, 2010 at 4:20 PM

Chip on March 24, 2010 at 4:11 PM

We work pretty well as a team, Chip!
UltimateBob on March 24, 2010 at 4:13 PM

Yes, My reaction to most of that article was – is this about the US or North Korea?

[well, maybe not the food shortage part – that's just something we'll all have to look forward to]

Chip on March 24, 2010 at 4:20 PM

If the regime really does feel threatened, it’s possible that it will look for a distraction — such as a war —

Is this statement about Kim or Obama? It could go either way.

portlandon on March 24, 2010 at 4:20 PM

US “sources” recently claimed that “Il” is ill. 3 years to live.

J_Crater on March 24, 2010 at 4:25 PM

I’m sure the peasants are working on some sort of Green party.

BL@KBIRD on March 24, 2010 at 4:25 PM

” I’m so wonwe…”

Team America, World Police Pony Express medical care provider.

percysunshine on March 24, 2010 at 4:25 PM

If the regime really does feel threatened, it’s possible that it will look for a distraction — such as a war — to release some of the pressure on Kim.

Bring. It. On.

His regime is so rotten, and his soldiers so inept they would fold in a week. Just as we found when the Soviet Union collapsed, the Soviets were the paper tigers, and the US was ten feet tall and bulletproof. The press has built this regime into such a horrendous military monster, it is ridiculous. They’ve given the Norks a reputation they don’t deserve.

It is easy to lord power over a bunch of starving peasants who have no weapons (thanks to the US) to defend themselves, and thus stay in power over decades. But when a Stalinist regime fails, one only has to find that the oak door was so rotted the slightest push sends it crumbling from the hinges and freedom walks right in, while the inhabitants go about killing themselves, and our press sits gnashing its teeth about how terrible that the regime’s peace and order are gone. Tom Friedman will wonder how he could have imagined the Norks were ever civilized.

The Norks need to be pushed. The more pressure is put on their regime, the sooner this turd falls and his people can receive real aid from South Korea and China. A couple of artillery shells fired from N Korea, and the return fire from S Korea would send the regime packing. The North Korean military is impotent.

Fear of the unknown is a horrible paralyzer. It keeps free men from tackling despicable despots who desperately need to be utterly destroyed, and keeps the citizenry from eliminating their oppressors because of some misguided desire to avoid violence and loss of the meager few morsels the peasants have. The sooner a horrendous regime like this is violently attacked, from inside or out, the sooner it is overthrown and the sooner the oppressed citizenry achieves a more lasting, and productive peace.

But why listen to me? Folks who don’t study history are doomed to repeat it. Our State Dept knows so much more than I do. But their track record is far worse than mine.

Subsunk

Subsunk on March 24, 2010 at 4:28 PM

Time once again for Kafir’s solution to the Norks:

Have the CIA drop a crate into a rural area of North Korea. In the crate, there will be three things: 1) food 2) an explosive 3) A note explaining where to put the bomb and when and promising another crate if it goes off on schedule.

Kafir on March 24, 2010 at 4:28 PM

It’s sad that a few think they have this right to impose their ideology on masses, and the masses are powerless to fight back. :(

capejasmine on March 24, 2010 at 3:54 PM

This thread is about North Korea, not the US……….

GnuBreed on March 24, 2010 at 4:31 PM

Does the press have certain stories that every so often they recycle over and over.

How many times has this story been written in the last 30, 40 years?

albill on March 24, 2010 at 4:31 PM

Kim’s grip on power weakening? Huh?

The Great Dear Leader’s influence has even spread to America.

Dear Leader Obama’s songbun system modeled after Dear Leader Kim’s system:

The population of Dear Leader Barack Obama’s developing Democratic People’s Republic of Amerika can be roughly divided into three tiers, and ones place in these tiers is called songbun (based on North Korea’s sonbun system). An individuals songbun is based on ones position at the time of Obama’s ascendancy from questionable circumstances of birth to presidential occupation. Kenyan Obama himself, his Lingonkay wife and party members, largely comprised of the capos of Rahm, Axelrod, Reid, Pelosi and the Kennedy family and their sub-capos, are the main elite. People who helped to bankrupt the nation while lining their own pockets are at the next level in the songbun hierarchy and often have high committee positions in congress or are appointed to cabinet and czar positions and other high offices.

The lowest songbun group is comprised of an as yet to be determined number of distinct classes, each with lower songbun then the next. Tea Party members, dissident talk show hosts, blogs such as Ed Morrissey and Allahpundit’s Hotair and people who still believe in Ayn Rand’s philosophy of individual rights or in the soon to be completely outdated U.S. Constitution and it’s guarantee of the right of free speech and assembly have the lowest songbun, and consequentially are to occupy a role analogous to India’s untouchables.

MB4 on March 24, 2010 at 4:31 PM

Time once again for Kafir’s solution to the Norks:

Have the CIA drop a crate into a rural area of North Korea. In the crate, there will be three things: 1) food 2) an explosive 3) A note explaining where to put the bomb and when and promising another crate if it goes off on schedule.

Kafir on March 24, 2010 at 4:28 PM

Not only funny, but might actually work.

Dark-Star on March 24, 2010 at 4:34 PM

arec bardwin….arec bardwin…where are you?

ted c on March 24, 2010 at 4:18 PM

Abusing his teen daughter…

OmahaConservative on March 24, 2010 at 4:42 PM

“everyday forms of resistance”

I’ve never seen this euphemism for taking a bullet in the back of the head before.

trigon on March 24, 2010 at 4:46 PM

Oh, rook, it’s Hans Brix. Hans, you’re breakin my bawrs here. I don’t have weapons of mass destruction.

*enter sharks*

Back On-Topic: The media is moronic and transparent. Suggesting that a despotic regime might be overthrown is a sorry way to direct attention off the burgeoning despotic regime that’s building here. Keep the pressure on, folks.

Back Off-Topic: Seriously, I need my Trey’n'Matt fix.

Animator Girl on March 24, 2010 at 4:57 PM

OK, all I have to say is this guy looks like this guy.

Carry on.

Diane on March 24, 2010 at 4:59 PM

Yeah, the Kim regime has withstood worse. Not only the major famine in the 1990′s but other disasters like the Ryongchon disaster.

amerpundit on March 24, 2010 at 5:08 PM

with more than half the population now listening to foreign news, grass-roots cynicism undercutting state myths and discontent rising even among elites.

Hmmm. Sounds familiar.

labrat on March 24, 2010 at 5:30 PM

If it can’t deliver, it loses credibility, and blaming Bushthe US will only go so far

FIFY. Oh, sorry, thought you were talking about the Democrats. Never mind.

GarandFan on March 24, 2010 at 6:24 PM

those reports ignore the difficulty of overthrowing an entrenched tyrrany — as we saw in Iran in 2009.

And as we saw this past Sunday.

bgoldman on March 24, 2010 at 6:26 PM

Big difference from the famines of the 90s: people on the inside are starting to hear about the outside world. Smugglers have been smuggling in video from South Korea. And believe me, their soap operas display all the trapping of modern life: food, cell phones, computers… The whole nine yards. And with technology becoming more discrete and portable, it is only going to penetrate deeper into the country.

As for the NorKs crumbling, it isn’t the common NorK soldier that is scary to me… It’s a combination of the wild-eyed midget holding the button on a whole bunch of SCUD Ds packed with chemical and biological weapons, and about a billion chinese standing behind them just like back in 1950.

Tremor on March 24, 2010 at 7:48 PM

North Korea is too weak to start a war. Its soldiers can’t even do a full hour of physical exercise because of malnutrition. Their military doesn’t work much better than the rest of their country. And if they try coming across the 38th parallel, we will nuke them back into the Stone Age. I know, because I was one of the guys crewing one of the jets who would take the war north.

The North Koreans are in no position to make war. What will probably happen is that some precipitating event will happen which will cause the whole North Korean house of cards to come falling down. The North Korean people are like an elephant which, having been chained to a stake when an infant, don’t realize yet that they are powerful enough to pull that stake out of the ground. When they become aware of that knowledge, Kim Jong Il and the three thousand families who run the country will flee to China and the rest of their government apparatus will be at the mercy of the population. It won’t be pretty.

Tantor on March 24, 2010 at 7:56 PM

Cue the scene of Kim Jong Il from the movie “Team America”…

ANY scene!!

Khun Joe on March 24, 2010 at 10:18 PM

Tantor on March 24, 2010 at 7:56 PM

Right Sir. NoKo is at its end. Pity the people as usual. Somehow many survive. Funny about those proles.

Caststeel on March 24, 2010 at 11:28 PM

One difference noted this time is that it is reported they are listening to foreign news. That was not possible in the past as their radios only dialed to NK stations. I lived in SK for quite a few years and it was illegal to listen to NK radio stations, I would imagine it would be a death sentence for a northerner to listen to the South. While I was there, a sub ran aground in the south and the only guy who was caught alive had hidden in a farmer’s barn. The farmer called the police and the guy was incredulous that a “mere” farmer would have a telephone.

Bill R. on March 24, 2010 at 11:34 PM

http://thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?p=88803#88803

check out this rink. Apparentry, Kim Jong Ir is sorving his famine crisis by feeding one harf of the popuration to the other harf. I guess a rittre cannabarism go a rong way.

CatchAll on March 24, 2010 at 11:51 PM

Obama should take Kim`s place.

The right man-child for the right job.

Sherman1864 on March 25, 2010 at 12:01 AM

Just look at the difference between South Korea and North Korea to appreciate the level of oppression of Communism. And this is the model that Obama wants us to be more like.

We’re seeing the exact same process play out as in the Cold War. The Communist regime is weak and about to collapse, and a little pressure could do the trick. Instead, we’re more likely to provide relief to prop up the regime.

The only real difference between the Soviets and North Korea is that North Korea has a huge neighbor that probably wants the regime to stay in place, and may take on the burden of propping them up themselves, if we can just keep out collection of idiots from stepping in first.

tom on March 25, 2010 at 12:28 PM

Has Japan noticed? Since their in the region and feel they no longer need Marines or the 7th Fleet, let’s rely on the Lost Generation.

FeFe on March 25, 2010 at 4:19 PM